Bernie's Priorities - Continuing gjohnsit's excellent essay and comments
https://caucus99percent.com/content/i-disagree-bernies-run-was-pointless
The essay and comments IMO were mostly right-on. However, there were some points missing.
Apologies to those who dislike religious references, but I never saw Bernie as the jesus. I always saw him as the "John the Baptist" = the voice calling out in the wilderness. I believe we are the jesus. The ones who will make a change.
IMO, Bernie dropped out for two reasons.
- The coronavirus took out his ability to campaign. No rallies. No door-to-door canvassing. No groups getting together to phone bank.
- But maybe more significant is that he has more important work to do now. He has to get a second stimulus package passed that will actually save the people and the economy. There is no time to do that and campaign. He has a phone town hall on that at 5 PM today (Eastern time?) Five experts will be with him.
Personally, I am glad he never went the asshole route. Don't we have enough of those already?
And, like Raggedy Ann, I hold out that we will evolve to a higher level of consciousness. It's up to us. For my part, I have taken extra tomato plants and extra eggs to friends. And I will participate in and contribute to any little right-wing church in the area taking care of folks.

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We are heading into a depression
A huge infrastructure bill would certainly help, but I think it's obvious that we are beyond that now. We need to change the political and economic power dynamics in our country/society. This depression is going to expose that.
I'm not convinced that being nasty would have been enough to change the outcome.
True . . . the second stimulus might not be enough . . .
But maybe that is OK. Show the good effort, but the rest will have to be up to us. When I brought eggs to one of my friends, her elderly mother said, "this is just like how we did it in the depression. One person had eggs, another had bread, another had veggies . . . and we just shared."
And the very rich need to be exposed.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
amerced
...... amerced. Once one has money (or its equivalents) at the level that its only application is unearned power over others, one needs to be deprived of those superfluous assets.
A kick in the assets, as it were.
No human being needs to possess or control hundreds of billions of dollars.
And this is no violation of any legitimate rights. When one uses his gun to maim or rape or murder, we deprive him of all his guns, and the right to ever have a gun again. Assets in excess of any conceivable human need or desire are no different: when one abuses these to violate the rights of others, we should do with them as we do with the guns, and for the same reasons.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Second stimulus is more money for the corporations
And chump change for the people.
Seeing the inflation already. $2 a roll for toilet paper if you can find it. $12 a pound for chuck roast. $12 a pound (sale price) for two black lamb chops I wouldn't feed to a dog.
$6 a pound for ground turkey. $10 a pound for Chilean blackberries. $12 a pound for CHICKEN WNGS!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Terrible!!
I hope that is not true.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Today. Mariano's Hoffman Estates IL
Down the street from the hospital that took the first two COVID patients in IL.
My daughter says the same about the prices. Looking forward to moving to Lookout's area. But I probably won't be able to sell my house. If I live, of course.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
revolution
Bernie was correct when he said we needed a revolution. He was working towards a peaceful one through the political system.
Unfortunately, Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin) spoke the truth when he said: "A revolution is not a tea party". One must break eggs to make that sort of omelet.
And Bernie was too nice to his opponents to do that.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Bernie Sanders is the Amendment King.
When Congress passes a law requiring everyone to eat a sh*t sandwich, Bernie Sanders follows up with an amendment to have the sh*t sandwiches inspected for COVID-19 before they can be distributed.
That's what he does. That's his role. He's better than any of the other excuses for human being in the Senate. He's the Amendment King. He has some limited uses, or at least he had them.
"The Democratic Party has been focused too much on pleasing people who matter too little in this society." -- Chris Cuomo
Revolutions are fought in the streets, not on
the internet and twitter. Mostly they are not peaceful, but violent to a degree. So, I would say, if someone tells you, one needs a revolution, that is a rhetorical device. Do you really want a revolution on the streets? I would hide in my private bunker in the hinterlands, if it should come to this. With all the guns and bombs and mind manipulation techniques, no way.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Isn't that handy for the new social distancing thing
Understand your point mimi, but the new rebellion is being fought
in the trenches of the the inner tubes via twits and face hooks
getting heads tasered by the military policia may make a statement
as the yellow vests are proving it takes perseverance to make change
hunker down if it makes you feel safe
question everything
no, you didn't and couldn't understand my point
as I was expressing myself not comprehensibly enough. The yellow vesters were on the streets, afaik. They wouldn't have had the same influence just tweeting about their kind of protest.
In other words, if I were to fight for a revolution on the streets, I do that in Germany not in the US. (So far we have not the death penalty over here and I appreciate that) I am and was a guest in the US for a long time (38 years). I am also a guest here, so I do not rock the boat and keep my peace with JtC (at least nost of the time).
Heh, sorry, I am not a yellow vested Jean D'arc either. Sigh, If I weren't such a coward ...
You have to understand my relationship I have to the US.
I will answer you with the words of Goethe's Faust: (I didn't find a good translation for this, but it should be in here somewhere.
May be lotlizard will find the translation in above link for this quoted paragraph.
Peace.
https://www.euronews.com/live
My second year in German in college . . .
I actually started to think in German. Lost now, but love your quotes and references.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
I may try to find the translation tomorrow
and if I do, I will post it here. Sorry, for that. I am reading the EB right now and then I have to go to bed.
https://www.euronews.com/live
here is a translation ...
Does that help?
https://www.euronews.com/live
Very cool . . .
Thanks!!!!!
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Was the Reagan Revolution violent?
I propose a counter-revolution to that.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Reagan Revolution? That was a revolution?/nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
Yeah, big time. The Raygun Revolution, "the Fascist Gun in the
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
I do object to the religious references...
Jesus was an anti-freethinking asshole.
I am a freethinking asshole.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
No no no . . .
All of your religious training taught that he was that. And the disciples were fucked up. And the old testament is just a collection of mostly terrible stories. I would recommend a book by Adyashanti called "Resurrecting Jesus." He is a dude from the Zen tradition, but a former professional bicyclist normal guy in his late 50s now.
I don't take the bible literally. And I only read the Jesus stories. But they are pretty cool, most of them.
Don't be offended please.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Marilyn, I so agree.
It's one of those purity test thingys: purge religion. So many are and the biblical lessons are really inclusive. We need not be afraid to use the lessons from any tradition that seems right.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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Jesus' disciples were commies.
The Church of We Met During COVID-19 And Caused Lots Of Death would rather you believe they were all Aramaic-speaking versions of Efrain Rios-Montt.
"The Democratic Party has been focused too much on pleasing people who matter too little in this society." -- Chris Cuomo
And yes . . . this is the very passage where they . . .
. . . prove themselves as being fucked up.
Jesus and the disciples were traveling through Samaria and a city did not invite them in. The disciples said, "should we call down rain from heaven on them?" And Jesus rebuked them saying, "you do not know what spirit you are of."
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Not at all offended.
I found the character of Jesus, however, to be very offensive to my sense of morality.
Just one of many examples.... Jesus told his disciples to go into towns to proselytize, but, he said, if those towns reject the disciples teachings, then it will be worse for those towns than what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah. Apparently Jesus thought that what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah was perfectly acceptable.
Or, Jesus told his disciples to drop their jobs and leave their families high and dry to follow him. And when one asked to attend a family funeral before he left, Jesus told him the funeral wasn't important..."let the dead bury their dead".
Or we can just cut to the chase and get to the whole meaning of Jesus's life... to die for one's sins and grant eternal life in the nice place. However, one must not question the deal or the deal's author, one must blindly go along and promise loyalty to Jesus and his Dad. And if you don't, into the fire you go. Jesus mentioned hell many times, by the way, and had no problem with that concept or using it to pressure people.
So yeah, not a freethinking character.
And no surprise there, since he wasn't real and was totally hatched out of the minds of bronze age pagan people who cobbled a bunch of stories together to create this character and woo people's minds.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Don't know if this has been brought out elsewhere,
in these pages, but Bernie made his announcement on the first day of Passover (April 8, 2020). My understanding of religions could use improvement, but I believe that Jewish Passover is a time for taking up the struggle for liberation once again. Perhaps we should all be thinking of taking up the struggle, again.
We can start by liberating ourselves from both Biden and Trump
"The Democratic Party has been focused too much on pleasing people who matter too little in this society." -- Chris Cuomo
I think this is a great article
regarding "what to do next". Yes, it will be hard as hell to pull off, but like my Mom used to say "no pain no gain"...or was that Arnold Schwarzenegger who said that?
Anyway...the article is very "solutions oriented".
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/09/why-we-need-a-new-progressive-pa...
Well done is better than well said-Ben Franklin
It is a good article
The Democratic Party is the oldest
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
The People's Party is beginning to organize seriously
Nick Brana has been trying to organize a People's Party and is now begining in earnest to hold national calls. Does anyone have a point of view on this effort? I want to work to build a 3rd party for progressives. Don't need anyone to prove for more than a 3rd time that the Democratic Party can not be reformed or taken over from within. In addition to the serious charges already enumerated, their candidate -- ala Trump -- has called voters fat and "dog-faced pony soldiers."
[Edited] Ms Didi, nothing 'personal' against Brana,
but, as I've posted numerous times, he's worked to elect both John Kerry and Terry McAuliffe--so, sorta leery of his progressive credentials.
Good luck!
[Edited: Sorry! Ms--not Miss-Didi!
]
Mollie
THANK YOU America's Physicians & Nurses, All Medical Personnel, First Responders, To Include Medical (EMT/Paramedics/Ambulance), Pharmacy Personnel, Fire Depts, Police Depts, Retailers/Grocers--Especially, To Marginally-Paid Frontline Retail Cashiers & Clerks.
Last, but not least,
THANKS to America's Truckers/Delivery Persons, Especially, To Over-The-Road/Long Haul Truckers Who Obviously Have The Capacity To Shut Down The Entire Country, If They Were To Choose To Sit Out The Current Public Health Crisis, In Order To Protect Their Own.
You are all truly heroes.
Godspeed.
FYI
and,
Gotta put an end to this Congressional Perk, if we hope to ever have a decent healthcare program.
IOW, our lawmakers' current excellent OAP healthcare program allows them to be exempt from any austerity/managed care tools that they seek to impose on the masses, as evidenced by several Dem Party MFA/public option proposals
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
I'm in
definitly
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Learning to fight anew
This is where there the going gets tough
and the tough get going
handing it over to the rest of us
was not an easy thing to do
this is not a throw away
more like a toss up
get elsewhere while we can
question everything
No I am the Voice in the wilderness!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
<3 <3 <3
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Should replied with
"No I am Spartacus!"
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Successful proselytizer and a failed leader/politician
Bernie's vote on the first stimulus bill was against everything he was preaching about corporations and concentrated power. From what Matt Stoller and others have said, it was Bennett who wrote the part for worker stimulus and that the White House was against the Lindsey Graham actions anyway. In the end all Sanders as a political leader was reduced to "I am going to propose some laws..." He did not use the power he had as a Senator nor as a leader of a movement.
At this point it is good he got out the race so he has les influence to sheep dog people into voting for Biden.
Bernie is not a sheepdog
He is just dealing with his current reality. He is doing the best he can do with what is available.
Stop the sheepdog shit. Who do you have out there who is better??????
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
you gonna vote for biden
dealing with current realities is an apologist argument for the status quo.
No Joe
Nope. If he had Nina or Tulsi as a running mate maybe. Maybe not.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Malcolm said "the bullet or the ballot" but we need instead
stand for the boycott and not the ballot, the raised clenched fist should hold a monkey-wrench.
be well and have a good one
edit" fixed a typo
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Guillotines are pretty fool proof
Hey Josephus!
John the Baptist was beheaded and famously served to a spiteful woman on a silver platter.
Difference is, Bernie avoided a similar fate in 2016.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?