is pointless, so it seems. All we get is an illusion of choice. Of course Biden knew of this and called Trump yesterday to tell him during that 15 minute call.
Remember she told us months ago that she knew who would win the primary. For once I thought she was telling the truth.
is pointless, so it seems. All we get is an illusion of choice. Of course Biden knew of this and called Trump yesterday to tell him during that 15 minute call.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
did not net him his expected results.
Or did it?
Does anyone remember the name of the Bernie blog that was started by a guy from dkos after the Ides of March edict?
Was it The Progressive Way? Raggedy Ann's avatar is the site's symbol.
I deleted it from my favorite's list years ago.
I wanted to see their reaction to this.
I couldn't find it on a basic search.
Anybody here know what I am talking about and what the correct name of that blog might be?
Thanks.
edit: Not RA's, but it is a bird in red/white/blue. Orbucfan? I think that who it is.
The site is 100% devoted to all things Bernie.
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did not net him his expected results.
Or did it?
Does anyone remember the name of the Bernie blog that was started by a guy from dkos after the Ides of March edict?
Was it The Progressive Way? Raggedy Ann's avatar is the site's symbol.
I deleted it from my favorite's list years ago.
I wanted to see their reaction to this.
I couldn't find it on a basic search.
Anybody here know what I am talking about and what the correct name of that blog might be?
Thanks.
edit: Not RA's, but it is a bird in red/white/blue. Orbucfan? I think that who it is.
The site is 100% devoted to all things Bernie.
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98
for a Bernie supporter to vote for Biden without being sheep dogged. It is a difficult decision. I'm going to see how much reaching out Biden does.
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
@FuturePassed
because your vote is yours alone to use or not use as you wish.
But I have already been vote shamed both in 2016 and now during this campaign for not supporting a "top tier" candidate. I decided in 2016 to vote my conscience which happened to be Jill Stein of the Green Party. I was not only vote shamed for it, but even lost friends over it. I never regretted that vote though because it was my vote and I used it to reflect my own values. I intend to do so again this time around.
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for a Bernie supporter to vote for Biden without being sheep dogged. It is a difficult decision. I'm going to see how much reaching out Biden does.
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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98
But I'm confident I did nothing to be ashamed of so attempts to shame me don't work.
#6.1 because your vote is yours alone to use or not use as you wish.
But I have already been vote shamed both in 2016 and now during this campaign for not supporting a "top tier" candidate. I decided in 2016 to vote my conscience which happened to be Jill Stein of the Green Party. I was not only vote shamed for it, but even lost friends over it. I never regretted that vote though because it was my vote and I used it to reflect my own values. I intend to do so again this time around.
So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country?
Who knows? The biggest problem is people need to think critically and think for themselves and not be influenced by what the people on the teevee tell them to think. Sadly most people aren't capable of doing that. And schools don't teach anything useful--no civics, no real American history, no classes about how taxes work, or how the rest of the world works. Sad!
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This is exactly what Jimmy was saying Bernie should do if he was actually serious about changing the direction of the country. Last time people did a massive general strike they got social security, Medicare, labor laws with teeth and an huge increase on taxes on the wealthy. Bernie knows that this is one of the few ways that this country will ever get changes.
We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
Thanks for saying that. It needed to be said.
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
calling for general strike beginning on May 1 (naturally). and that's why i asked on my recent diary what will it matter if there are no picket lines permitted under coronavirus rules?
fill up the jails? on, no; i forgot; that's how far the American Civil Liberties Union has our backs: 'Please po-po, sheriffs, judges: don't jail non-violent people, let everyone else go!' because: coronavirus.
they don't mind the other vast numbers of civil and privacy rights having been 'suspended'.
But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This is exactly what Jimmy was saying Bernie should do if he was actually serious about changing the direction of the country. Last time people did a massive general strike they got social security, Medicare, labor laws with teeth and an huge increase on taxes on the wealthy. Bernie knows that this is one of the few ways that this country will ever get changes.
We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This is exactly what Jimmy was saying Bernie should do if he was actually serious about changing the direction of the country. Last time people did a massive general strike they got social security, Medicare, labor laws with teeth and an huge increase on taxes on the wealthy. Bernie knows that this is one of the few ways that this country will ever get changes.
We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
Thanks for saying that. It needed to be said.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
her, snoopy might be thinking of the IWW (Commie Wobblies) strikers having finally suspended their sttikes (during fdr's war effort?) leading to many new deal reforms. i can't remember the timing, and i've read far too many pages using the search terms 'wobblies, FDR, nlrb, etc', but this is the closest i'd finally come, and by now my eyes are shot, and i need to go fix some dinner.
'America's missing labor party', the new republic, oct. 2018
a number of headings in bold, nor do i know that loomis's book was correct. but this seems pertinent (she sayed hopefully):
American radicals and labor activists have long identified the need for a labor party, but have repeatedly failed to form one. Though there was some interaction between the IWW and Eugene Debs’s wing of the Socialist Party in the early twentieth century, the two ended up keeping their distance, as the Wobblies pursued militant, anti-institutional unionism and the socialists kept a narrow focus on elections. The Communist Party, founded in 1919, took a more expansive view of both political and labor organizing, but settled into a posture of compromise during the Popular Front era, only to find itself persecuted almost out of existence with the rise of postwar anti-Communism.
The late ’30s might have been the best moment for the creation of a labor party, when unions were rapidly building power. Yet several forces blocked its path. Roosevelt’s unprecedentedly pro-worker policies brought the signature issues of more radical parties into the mainstream, making those parties less relevant to many voters. The more conservative AFL experienced a growth spurt as it collaborated with employers, preparing employer-friendly contracts, to preempt more radical CIO organizing. The AFL’s sabotage put the CIO on the defensive, forcing it to cling desperately to its alliance with the Democratic Party. (The two groups wouldn’t merge to form the AFL-CIO until 1955.) A small coalition of the country’s more radical unions returned once again to the idea of founding a labor party in 1996, but failed to attract a broad enough base of support from more powerful unions, which preferred their existing relationship with the Democratic establishment.
#6.3
My history classes said nothing about it and neither did my parents.
her, snoopy might be thinking of the IWW (Commie Wobblies) strikers having finally suspended their sttikes (during fdr's war effort?) leading to many new deal reforms. i can't remember the timing, and i've read far too many pages using the search terms 'wobblies, FDR, nlrb, etc', but this is the closest i'd finally come, and by now my eyes are shot, and i need to go fix some dinner.
'America's missing labor party', the new republic, oct. 2018
a number of headings in bold, nor do i know that loomis's book was correct. but this seems pertinent (she sayed hopefully):
American radicals and labor activists have long identified the need for a labor party, but have repeatedly failed to form one. Though there was some interaction between the IWW and Eugene Debs’s wing of the Socialist Party in the early twentieth century, the two ended up keeping their distance, as the Wobblies pursued militant, anti-institutional unionism and the socialists kept a narrow focus on elections. The Communist Party, founded in 1919, took a more expansive view of both political and labor organizing, but settled into a posture of compromise during the Popular Front era, only to find itself persecuted almost out of existence with the rise of postwar anti-Communism.
The late ’30s might have been the best moment for the creation of a labor party, when unions were rapidly building power. Yet several forces blocked its path. Roosevelt’s unprecedentedly pro-worker policies brought the signature issues of more radical parties into the mainstream, making those parties less relevant to many voters. The more conservative AFL experienced a growth spurt as it collaborated with employers, preparing employer-friendly contracts, to preempt more radical CIO organizing. The AFL’s sabotage put the CIO on the defensive, forcing it to cling desperately to its alliance with the Democratic Party. (The two groups wouldn’t merge to form the AFL-CIO until 1955.) A small coalition of the country’s more radical unions returned once again to the idea of founding a labor party in 1996, but failed to attract a broad enough base of support from more powerful unions, which preferred their existing relationship with the Democratic establishment.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
but if you read the article from the top, they targeted various industries for strikes, not all workers in the US, and outside the confines of the Democratic Party..
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My history classes said nothing about it and neither did my parents.
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To Bernie and Jane, as friends, from Jill and me: You haven’t just run a political campaign; you’ve created a movement. And make no mistake about it, we believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday. That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
We know how hard this is. You have put the interest of the nation – and the need to defeat Donald Trump – above all else. And for that we’re grateful. But we want you to know: we’ll be reaching out. You’ll be heard by me. As you say: Not me, Us
And to Bernie’s supporters: I know that I need to earn your votes. And I know that might take time. But I want you to know that I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of this moment. I hope you'll join us. You're more than welcome: You're needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump. But we will also address the climate crisis. We will make college affordable. And we will make health care available to all. We will not just rebuild this nation – we’ll transform it. And I’m asking you to join me.
Joe you have already had the chance to trasnform the nation and boy howdy did you ever succeed in doing that. But only for your rich friends in the banking industry and elsewhere including the massive buildup of your corporate spying friends.
I love Bernie, but he just didn’t get the votes.
Yeah that is what happens when there is massive voter supression where people have to stand in lines for up to 7 hours just to vote. Or risk their very lives to to so like the most recent 2 times in the middle of an effing pandemic.
Lots of love for Bernie today from the kids. Or inmates. Your choice.
Let’s be clear though — Bernie isn’t ‘dropping out’. His name will stay on ballots, and he will continue to accumulate delegates in order wield some kind of leverage at the convention. He has not endorsed Biden, or made any changes to his staff and supporters’ stances on messaging.
Correct, just as he did in 2016, he is doing nothing to Unite the Party.
Yeah I don't see that happening after what your blog has said about Bernie, ("he can go fuck himself and this includes his supporters")
Bernie supporters can follow Sander’s example and be gracious in defeat and also join us to help defeat Trump.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
or one of ByeDumb's staffers. It's too coherent to be his own work.
To Bernie and Jane, as friends, from Jill and me: You haven’t just run a political campaign; you’ve created a movement. And make no mistake about it, we believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday. That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
We know how hard this is. You have put the interest of the nation – and the need to defeat Donald Trump – above all else. And for that we’re grateful. But we want you to know: we’ll be reaching out. You’ll be heard by me. As you say: Not me, Us
And to Bernie’s supporters: I know that I need to earn your votes. And I know that might take time. But I want you to know that I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of this moment. I hope you'll join us. You're more than welcome: You're needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump. But we will also address the climate crisis. We will make college affordable. And we will make health care available to all. We will not just rebuild this nation – we’ll transform it. And I’m asking you to join me.
Joe you have already had the chance to trasnform the nation and boy howdy did you ever succeed in doing that. But only for your rich friends in the banking industry and elsewhere including the massive buildup of your corporate spying friends.
I love Bernie, but he just didn’t get the votes.
Yeah that is what happens when there is massive voter supression where people have to stand in lines for up to 7 hours just to vote. Or risk their very lives to to so like the most recent 2 times in the middle of an effing pandemic.
Lots of love for Bernie today from the kids. Or inmates. Your choice.
Let’s be clear though — Bernie isn’t ‘dropping out’. His name will stay on ballots, and he will continue to accumulate delegates in order wield some kind of leverage at the convention. He has not endorsed Biden, or made any changes to his staff and supporters’ stances on messaging.
Correct, just as he did in 2016, he is doing nothing to Unite the Party.
Yeah I don't see that happening after what your blog has said about Bernie, ("he can go fuck himself and this includes his supporters")
Bernie supporters can follow Sander’s example and be gracious in defeat and also join us to help defeat Trump.
@snoopydawg
My wife was right. Don't give money to politicians.
To Bernie and Jane, as friends, from Jill and me: You haven’t just run a political campaign; you’ve created a movement. And make no mistake about it, we believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday. That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
We know how hard this is. You have put the interest of the nation – and the need to defeat Donald Trump – above all else. And for that we’re grateful. But we want you to know: we’ll be reaching out. You’ll be heard by me. As you say: Not me, Us
And to Bernie’s supporters: I know that I need to earn your votes. And I know that might take time. But I want you to know that I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of this moment. I hope you'll join us. You're more than welcome: You're needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump. But we will also address the climate crisis. We will make college affordable. And we will make health care available to all. We will not just rebuild this nation – we’ll transform it. And I’m asking you to join me.
Joe you have already had the chance to trasnform the nation and boy howdy did you ever succeed in doing that. But only for your rich friends in the banking industry and elsewhere including the massive buildup of your corporate spying friends.
I love Bernie, but he just didn’t get the votes.
Yeah that is what happens when there is massive voter supression where people have to stand in lines for up to 7 hours just to vote. Or risk their very lives to to so like the most recent 2 times in the middle of an effing pandemic.
Lots of love for Bernie today from the kids. Or inmates. Your choice.
Let’s be clear though — Bernie isn’t ‘dropping out’. His name will stay on ballots, and he will continue to accumulate delegates in order wield some kind of leverage at the convention. He has not endorsed Biden, or made any changes to his staff and supporters’ stances on messaging.
Correct, just as he did in 2016, he is doing nothing to Unite the Party.
Yeah I don't see that happening after what your blog has said about Bernie, ("he can go fuck himself and this includes his supporters")
Bernie supporters can follow Sander’s example and be gracious in defeat and also join us to help defeat Trump.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough!
No way that will freaking happen.
I agree with you gg.
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
to arms aimed against 'bullshit'. think what else he could have called for in that goodbye speech! nah, it won't get you banned; it's over now that the fat lady done sung.
"our delgates at the convention can influence the Party Platform!" how fearless. yanno, the MLK, jr. quote about the arc of the moral universe bending toward justice: guess i don't begin to agree with that, at least as far as my geezer lifetime.
this nation's gone the other direction (devolved) since the viet nam war, imo.
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
to arms aimed against 'bullshit'. think what else he could have called for in that goodbye speech! nah, it won't get you banned; it's over now that the fat lady done sung.
"our delgates at the convention can influence the Party Platform!" how fearless. yanno, the MLK, jr. quote about the arc of the moral universe bending toward justice: guess i don't begin to agree with that, at least as far as my geezer lifetime.
this nation's gone the other direction (devolved) since the viet nam war, imo.
and with all my great respect for MK, jr: it broke when he, medgar evers, and and others were assassinated, MLK especially for protesting the viet nam war so well and so wisely. at riverside church? one of the best speeches sermons ever delivered.
as a very tangential side note: that prophet almost caused me to believe in god. yes, i just checked w/ the king institute: '“Beyond Vietnam,” originally delivered at The Riverside Church on April 4, 1967'.
then: 'i may not get there with you...' still gives me the shivers.
and thought you'd also asked 'what happens to their contributions'. (i swear i'll learn to read one day...)
but this is open secrets on bernie sanders' $ up to march 23, 2020:
combined with feb. 29, 2020: cash on hand: $18,872,244
i'm sure we'll be hearing which down-ticket candidates he'll be sharing it in coming days.
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
Let us go forward together. The struggle continues.
NO! The only way left to go forward is to take the system down, NOT work within it. We need a nationwide general strike NOW. Corporations & the richest oligarchs got $trillions from the CARE Act & the rest of us got a measly $1,200 which does not cover rent for most.
— Nancy D Pomeranian Behind A Mask (@gulfgal98) April 8, 2020
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
But really fatally flawed and not up to the task. He really didn't understand the problem or have a blueprint to go forward. If he did he would have known that the Democrat Party is not in any conceivable way the horse to ride. It's amusing that he almost got further than they would allow, although they certainly would have shut him down at the convention. Anyone serious about changing this country will never be a part of the Dem Party structure, even as just a candidate. For me the "tell" in all of this was Bernie's stand on war. If he had been principled, as Tulsi was, he would have gone as far as she did. OK, we need to get this into our heads, if we are principled progressives and believe in love, peace, social justice and economic justice then the Democrat Party will never be the horse to ride. Yeah, it's going to be a long haul to get this going, but we need to seriously stop fantasizing that we have anything in common with the Dems. We need a focussed strategy.
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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Trump is going to hammer him in debates unless he plays along with the kabuki BS that our elections are and pre tape the debates so they can edit out Biden's word salads.
@snoopydawg
there will be precious little left on the plate. Putting Biden up as candidate for POTUS tells us how little the DNC thinks of the intelligence of the voters. I also wouldn't put it past them to offer a new candidate at the last minute as Biden drops out.
In any event, who the hell wants to lead this country in the shape it's going to be next fall?
From 4 weeks ago. Biden has mental health issues and the media must talk about it. lol I know
Trump is going to hammer him in debates unless he plays along with the kabuki BS that our elections are and pre tape the debates so they can edit out Biden's word salads.
@CB
that Biden is just a placeholder for whomever the establishment wishes to run under the Democrat banner.
#8
there will be precious little left on the plate. Putting Biden up as candidate for POTUS tells us how little the DNC thinks of the intelligence of the voters. I also wouldn't put it past them to offer a new candidate at the last minute as Biden drops out.
In any event, who the hell wants to lead this country in the shape it's going to be next fall?
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@gulfgal98
I absolutely agree. Obama is running this show and he knows very well that Biden will lose to Trump. He is putting out signals of wanting to bring Elizabeth Warren into the fold -- undoubtedly in an attempt to coop the left. And just as Liz-ard stood up the day after Bernie's supporters were humiliated and insulted in Philly to say, "I'm with Her", I believe she's just waiting for her chance to look up at old Joe and say, "I'm with him." The game is not over -- and they are talking behind the scenes with Bernie to try to secure his cooperation in the game. I love Bernie, but it's true that he's not up to winning. The day after Super Tuesday, he announced, "This is a campaign of ideas." Sorry we weren't working for you to be chief philosopher, and when it came to the hard stuff of politics, again Bernie showed that he gets the ideology but not the part about fighting to win. So we are left to take the fight to the next level.
#8.1 that Biden is just a placeholder for whomever the establishment wishes to run under the Democrat banner.
Yesterday or the day before she was on the Twit saying that he's our best hope for the country. This was whilst Bernie was still in . See my tweets below on her statement on Bernie dropping out. It's nauseating and people aren't buying it.
#8.1.1
I absolutely agree. Obama is running this show and he knows very well that Biden will lose to Trump. He is putting out signals of wanting to bring Elizabeth Warren into the fold -- undoubtedly in an attempt to coop the left. And just as Liz-ard stood up the day after Bernie's supporters were humiliated and insulted in Philly to say, "I'm with Her", I believe she's just waiting for her chance to look up at old Joe and say, "I'm with him." The game is not over -- and they are talking behind the scenes with Bernie to try to secure his cooperation in the game. I love Bernie, but it's true that he's not up to winning. The day after Super Tuesday, he announced, "This is a campaign of ideas." Sorry we weren't working for you to be chief philosopher, and when it came to the hard stuff of politics, again Bernie showed that he gets the ideology but not the part about fighting to win. So we are left to take the fight to the next level.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
@MsDidi
Biden's promised female VP?
Michelle Obama!
True she never held political office, but neither had Trump.
Biden can't debate, but she can. And if he insults the nice black lady on TV, the indies won't like it. Black voters will come out in droves and women too, even Left women.
In October, Biden can withdraw for "medical issues".
I don't like it, but I do like it on a technical basis. It will play in Peoria,
#8.1.1
I absolutely agree. Obama is running this show and he knows very well that Biden will lose to Trump. He is putting out signals of wanting to bring Elizabeth Warren into the fold -- undoubtedly in an attempt to coop the left. And just as Liz-ard stood up the day after Bernie's supporters were humiliated and insulted in Philly to say, "I'm with Her", I believe she's just waiting for her chance to look up at old Joe and say, "I'm with him." The game is not over -- and they are talking behind the scenes with Bernie to try to secure his cooperation in the game. I love Bernie, but it's true that he's not up to winning. The day after Super Tuesday, he announced, "This is a campaign of ideas." Sorry we weren't working for you to be chief philosopher, and when it came to the hard stuff of politics, again Bernie showed that he gets the ideology but not the part about fighting to win. So we are left to take the fight to the next level.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
the buzz mill says kamala harris (the lotus flower). ID politics.
#8.1.1.1
Biden's promised female VP?
Michelle Obama!
True she never held political office, but neither had Trump.
Biden can't debate, but she can. And if he insults the nice black lady on TV, the indies won't like it. Black voters will come out in droves and women too, even Left women.
In October, Biden can withdraw for "medical issues".
I don't like it, but I do like it on a technical basis. It will play in Peoria,
There is no way to "edit out Biden's word salads". If one does this, Biden completely disappears from the camera. If Buy-Dum's mouth is open, word salad is what comes out.
From 4 weeks ago. Biden has mental health issues and the media must talk about it. lol I know
Trump is going to hammer him in debates unless he plays along with the kabuki BS that our elections are and pre tape the debates so they can edit out Biden's word salads.
That the Green candidate is worthwhile this time around, honestly.
I'll still vote--for other races and ballot initiatives and such. Maybe I'll write in Tulsi for president, but maybe I just won't cast a vote for that race.
I'll be just as sad whether Trump or Biden gets in. It's not even whether one is slightly better than the other. Trump is withdrawing people from a lot of our war zones--does anyone really think Biden would do that? I sure as hell don't.
Biden might (and I mean *might*) be better than Trump domestically, but I'd almost rather see Trump destroy the entire place. As an independent, I don't owe my vote to *anyone*. Candidates have to *earn* my vote. So far, nobody has.
You want to win, field a candidate who doesn't suck shit so I can vote for them!
What I want:
--End war on drugs, legalization of some drugs
--End foreign wars and 80% reduction in US bases in other countries
--End police militarization
--End prison/industrial complex
--Huge action on climate change
--Bring manufacturing back to country and reverse the off-shoring of jobs
--Bring heavy regulation back to the banking and money sectors
--Health care for all
Give me a candidate with at least 3 of those and I'll consider voting for them. Over half of them and I definitely will. Biden supports zero of those. So, eff him. I don't want what he's selling.
That the Green candidate is worthwhile this time around, honestly.
I'll still vote--for other races and ballot initiatives and such. Maybe I'll write in Tulsi for president, but maybe I just won't cast a vote for that race.
I'll be just as sad whether Trump or Biden gets in. It's not even whether one is slightly better than the other. Trump is withdrawing people from a lot of our war zones--does anyone really think Biden would do that? I sure as hell don't.
Biden might (and I mean *might*) be better than Trump domestically, but I'd almost rather see Trump destroy the entire place. As an independent, I don't owe my vote to *anyone*. Candidates have to *earn* my vote. So far, nobody has.
You want to win, field a candidate who doesn't suck shit so I can vote for them!
What I want:
--End war on drugs, legalization of some drugs
--End foreign wars and 80% reduction in US bases in other countries
--End police militarization
--End prison/industrial complex
--Huge action on climate change
--Bring manufacturing back to country and reverse the off-shoring of jobs
--Bring heavy regulation back to the banking and money sectors
--Health care for all
Give me a candidate with at least 3 of those and I'll consider voting for them. Over half of them and I definitely will. Biden supports zero of those. So, eff him. I don't want what he's selling.
Earn. My. Vote.
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@apenultimate
Go ahead and vote for him -- you have my blessing. I've met him. He's all right.
The problem with the Green Party, if I recall correctly, is that they don't really have any binding primaries. They're all beauty contests. So their campaign season is as long as the period from the convention to the election. The point of running candidates, then, is to maintain the party's ballot status. That and when it comes to parliamentary procedure in their meetings they tend to make stuff up. They had their chance in 2000 when Ralph Nader ran as a Green. Neither they nor he did much of substance with that chance. The Green Party is really only strong in California.
That the Green candidate is worthwhile this time around, honestly.
I'll still vote--for other races and ballot initiatives and such. Maybe I'll write in Tulsi for president, but maybe I just won't cast a vote for that race.
I'll be just as sad whether Trump or Biden gets in. It's not even whether one is slightly better than the other. Trump is withdrawing people from a lot of our war zones--does anyone really think Biden would do that? I sure as hell don't.
Biden might (and I mean *might*) be better than Trump domestically, but I'd almost rather see Trump destroy the entire place. As an independent, I don't owe my vote to *anyone*. Candidates have to *earn* my vote. So far, nobody has.
You want to win, field a candidate who doesn't suck shit so I can vote for them!
What I want:
--End war on drugs, legalization of some drugs
--End foreign wars and 80% reduction in US bases in other countries
--End police militarization
--End prison/industrial complex
--Huge action on climate change
--Bring manufacturing back to country and reverse the off-shoring of jobs
--Bring heavy regulation back to the banking and money sectors
--Health care for all
Give me a candidate with at least 3 of those and I'll consider voting for them. Over half of them and I definitely will. Biden supports zero of those. So, eff him. I don't want what he's selling.
Earn. My. Vote.
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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
choose their nominee until july (iirc), but yes my guess it will be howie. read his issues if you will, but i hope the video that shows him phonin' it in, after looking like he'd peed his jeans ain't there. he knows he won't win, but even if you consider it a a Protest Vote...
i've vote green the past four cycles. click the Vision drop down; i like his socialization map.
That the Green candidate is worthwhile this time around, honestly.
I'll still vote--for other races and ballot initiatives and such. Maybe I'll write in Tulsi for president, but maybe I just won't cast a vote for that race.
I'll be just as sad whether Trump or Biden gets in. It's not even whether one is slightly better than the other. Trump is withdrawing people from a lot of our war zones--does anyone really think Biden would do that? I sure as hell don't.
Biden might (and I mean *might*) be better than Trump domestically, but I'd almost rather see Trump destroy the entire place. As an independent, I don't owe my vote to *anyone*. Candidates have to *earn* my vote. So far, nobody has.
You want to win, field a candidate who doesn't suck shit so I can vote for them!
What I want:
--End war on drugs, legalization of some drugs
--End foreign wars and 80% reduction in US bases in other countries
--End police militarization
--End prison/industrial complex
--Huge action on climate change
--Bring manufacturing back to country and reverse the off-shoring of jobs
--Bring heavy regulation back to the banking and money sectors
--Health care for all
Give me a candidate with at least 3 of those and I'll consider voting for them. Over half of them and I definitely will. Biden supports zero of those. So, eff him. I don't want what he's selling.
That the Green candidate is worthwhile this time around, honestly.
I'll still vote--for other races and ballot initiatives and such. Maybe I'll write in Tulsi for president, but maybe I just won't cast a vote for that race.
I'll be just as sad whether Trump or Biden gets in. It's not even whether one is slightly better than the other. Trump is withdrawing people from a lot of our war zones--does anyone really think Biden would do that? I sure as hell don't.
Biden might (and I mean *might*) be better than Trump domestically, but I'd almost rather see Trump destroy the entire place. As an independent, I don't owe my vote to *anyone*. Candidates have to *earn* my vote. So far, nobody has.
You want to win, field a candidate who doesn't suck shit so I can vote for them!
What I want:
--End war on drugs, legalization of some drugs
--End foreign wars and 80% reduction in US bases in other countries
--End police militarization
--End prison/industrial complex
--Huge action on climate change
--Bring manufacturing back to country and reverse the off-shoring of jobs
--Bring heavy regulation back to the banking and money sectors
--Health care for all
Give me a candidate with at least 3 of those and I'll consider voting for them. Over half of them and I definitely will. Biden supports zero of those. So, eff him. I don't want what he's selling.
Earn. My. Vote.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
to hear Bernie out there, stumping for Biden, parroting all the policy positions Bernie has been against for, oh, 40 years or so.
Politics was once interesting and exciting, and may one day return to that exalted throne.
At the moment, it is only interesting to the extent of observing lying bastards trying to convince me what I should believe in, what I should hope for, what I should accept.
Well, they can all just kiss my fucking ass.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
to hear Bernie out there, stumping for Biden, parroting all the policy positions Bernie has been against for, oh, 40 years or so.
Politics was once interesting and exciting, and may one day return to that exalted throne.
At the moment, it is only interesting to the extent of observing lying bastards trying to convince me what I should believe in, what I should hope for, what I should accept.
Well, they can all just kiss my fucking ass.
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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America.
That fight does not end today. We’ll continue it together in the Senate and keep working to hold the wealthy and well-connected accountable to the people.
- thank you @ewarren
for failing your constituents as well as the entire progressive movement
- you will be remembered as the politician who stood between a progressive and the white house. take your hollow words and stick em where the sun don't shine.
- oh so now u got somethin to say
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
especially "Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America."
Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America.
That fight does not end today. We’ll continue it together in the Senate and keep working to hold the wealthy and well-connected accountable to the people.
- thank you @ewarren
for failing your constituents as well as the entire progressive movement
- you will be remembered as the politician who stood between a progressive and the white house. take your hollow words and stick em where the sun don't shine.
- oh so now u got somethin to say
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
Split the votes between her and Bernie.
Make up the 'you said a woman can't win the presidency' that weakened his campaign.
Again refused to endorse him even though she initially ran on many of the exact same issues that he did.
Then got basically endorsed Biden before Bernie dropped out.
There are a lot of responses to her tweet that are pretty brutal. But then I feel she deserves everyone of them for selling herself out once she got into congress. She is a shell of the person she was when she took Joe and Hills to task for their policies.
I will never believe that the votes were counted fairly starting with Pete winning Iowa after they changed how they would count them at the last minute with an App that he helped fund.
Super Tuesday results were also inaccurate imo because the media called the race for Joe the day before people even voted and they called states for Joe immediately while waiting weeks to declare Bernie won the ones he did.
I just read this comment in response to someone saying that we need to vote blue no how despicable it would be for us to do so.
There are those indie types that jump on to Bernie because he is anti-establishment, and tend to be low information voters.
Low info voters? Guess that means me. But what they don't understand is many Bernie supporters are independents that would never vote for a democrat. And for gawd's sake when did it become acceptable to shame people for who they vote for? Just because Rogan said he'd rather vote for Bernie than Biden and Trump over Biden doesn't give people the right to throw rotten eggs at Bernie for his endorsement. When AOC endorsed Bernie Kos said that endorsements aren't all that anymore. But then John Lewis, the civil rights icon endorsed Biden and the others that came before him they threw a party for them. As always it's the f'cking hypocrisy that I cannot stand.
@snoopydawg
in this entire fiasco that the Democratic party pretended were the primaries is directed toward Warren. Nearly every other candidate was reasonably true to their stated policies, but Liz kept lying and changing it as she went along. She should never be trusted by any voter at any level from now on.
Split the votes between her and Bernie.
Make up the 'you said a woman can't win the presidency' that weakened his campaign.
Again refused to endorse him even though she initially ran on many of the exact same issues that he did.
Then got basically endorsed Biden before Bernie dropped out.
There are a lot of responses to her tweet that are pretty brutal. But then I feel she deserves everyone of them for selling herself out once she got into congress. She is a shell of the person she was when she took Joe and Hills to task for their policies.
I will never believe that the votes were counted fairly starting with Pete winning Iowa after they changed how they would count them at the last minute with an App that he helped fund.
Super Tuesday results were also inaccurate imo because the media called the race for Joe the day before people even voted and they called states for Joe immediately while waiting weeks to declare Bernie won the ones he did.
I just read this comment in response to someone saying that we need to vote blue no how despicable it would be for us to do so.
There are those indie types that jump on to Bernie because he is anti-establishment, and tend to be low information voters.
Low info voters? Guess that means me. But what they don't understand is many Bernie supporters are independents that would never vote for a democrat. And for gawd's sake when did it become acceptable to shame people for who they vote for? Just because Rogan said he'd rather vote for Bernie than Biden and Trump over Biden doesn't give people the right to throw rotten eggs at Bernie for his endorsement. When AOC endorsed Bernie Kos said that endorsements aren't all that anymore. But then John Lewis, the civil rights icon endorsed Biden and the others that came before him they threw a party for them. As always it's the f'cking hypocrisy that I cannot stand.
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@gulfgal98@gulfgal98
The game plan is to use her to appeal to the Bernie wing. It's so sad that they don't think we can see and understand these moves. They tried to bully us into voting for Her in 2016. Now the only platform Biden has is "I'm not Trump," yet they think the bullying game will work this time around. I agree that the votes haven't been fairly counted from Iowa on -- it's easy to see that when the DNC waits for days to announce results, that they are playing games. That's when they don't close or move polling places or knock voters off the rolls for wearing the wrong color socks.
Ain't no vote for Joe from me or my household. Let's see how running the same game runs for them this time. I really don't think the results are much different whether Trump or Biden wins. Would that it weren't true. Wish we still had some troubadours like John Prine to inspire us -- those flag decals won't get you into heaven any more Joe -- and we ain't listenin' to the songs that you or the DNC are singing. Electoral politics are no longer a pathway for change (haven't been for a long time). But the DNC is educating lots of young people on this truth and will reap the whirlwind for their lies sooner rather than later.
#11.1.1 in this entire fiasco that the Democratic party pretended were the primaries is directed toward Warren. Nearly every other candidate was reasonably true to their stated policies, but Liz kept lying and changing it as she went along. She should never be trusted by any voter at any level from now on.
I beg to differ. Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State got lots of blood on her hands, but Biden was right there beside her voting for the things she did. How many people have lost their homes due to the bankruptcy rules that Biden got put into place? How many people have been hurt by the rulings of Clarence Thomas who Biden is responsible for getting on the Supreme Court?
How many black families went into poverty because their men got thrown into prison because of the crime bill that Biden wrote? Just a few of the horrible legislation that he got passed. Oh yeah Biden has much more baggage than Hillary in my opinion. But I'm still saying that he will never sit behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office or if he does he will just be a puppet figurehead while he lets the CEO of BlackRock be his chief of staff and runs the country.
#11.1.1.1#11.1.1.1
The game plan is to use her to appeal to the Bernie wing. It's so sad that they don't think we can see and understand these moves. They tried to bully us into voting for Her in 2016. Now the only platform Biden has is "I'm not Trump," yet they think the bullying game will work this time around. I agree that the votes haven't been fairly counted from Iowa on -- it's easy to see that when the DNC waits for days to announce results, that they are playing games. That's when they don't close or move polling places or knock voters off the rolls for wearing the wrong color socks.
Ain't no vote for Joe from me or my household. Let's see how running the same game runs for them this time. I really don't think the results are much different whether Trump or Biden wins. Would that it weren't true. Wish we still had some troubadours like John Prine to inspire us -- those flag decals won't get you into heaven any more Joe -- and we ain't listenin' to the songs that you or the DNC are singing. Electoral politics are no longer a pathway for change (haven't been for a long time). But the DNC is educating lots of young people on this truth and will reap the whirlwind for their lies sooner rather than later.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
@snoopydawg
the Catfood Commission. Period.
I probably won't vote at all, but if it looks like Biden might win, I will vote for Trump. But on;y if Biden looks like he will win. OTOH, Madigan and Pritzker will fix it in Illinois for him even if not a single voter votes him.
I beg to differ. Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State got lots of blood on her hands, but Biden was right there beside her voting for the things she did. How many people have lost their homes due to the bankruptcy rules that Biden got put into place? How many people have been hurt by the rulings of Clarence Thomas who Biden is responsible for getting on the Supreme Court?
How many black families went into poverty because their men got thrown into prison because of the crime bill that Biden wrote? Just a few of the horrible legislation that he got passed. Oh yeah Biden has much more baggage than Hillary in my opinion. But I'm still saying that he will never sit behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office or if he does he will just be a puppet figurehead while he lets the CEO of BlackRock be his chief of staff and runs the country.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@gulfgal98
and wimped on M4A, as did Bootajudge, who a year before was touting M4A as what should be the reasonable, uncontroversial moderate position.
As for Liz, recall that she is a pol and not always a good one. She got out in front of her skis back in Sept when she was riding high in the polls, and then decided to pivot to the center to broaden her support and maybe cut into Biden's support. I don't consider it much more than a strategic blunder and terrible timing.
#11.1.1 in this entire fiasco that the Democratic party pretended were the primaries is directed toward Warren. Nearly every other candidate was reasonably true to their stated policies, but Liz kept lying and changing it as she went along. She should never be trusted by any voter at any level from now on.
Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America.
That fight does not end today. We’ll continue it together in the Senate and keep working to hold the wealthy and well-connected accountable to the people.
- thank you @ewarren
for failing your constituents as well as the entire progressive movement
- you will be remembered as the politician who stood between a progressive and the white house. take your hollow words and stick em where the sun don't shine.
- oh so now u got somethin to say
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
I don't give a shit if she is on the ticket or not. She's a traitorous weasel piece of shit windsock. If I want to be stabbed in the back I'll vote for Trump.
Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America.
That fight does not end today. We’ll continue it together in the Senate and keep working to hold the wealthy and well-connected accountable to the people.
- thank you @ewarren
for failing your constituents as well as the entire progressive movement
- you will be remembered as the politician who stood between a progressive and the white house. take your hollow words and stick em where the sun don't shine.
- oh so now u got somethin to say
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
A liar, cheat, fraud, and traitor?
Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America.
That fight does not end today. We’ll continue it together in the Senate and keep working to hold the wealthy and well-connected accountable to the people.
- thank you @ewarren
for failing your constituents as well as the entire progressive movement
- you will be remembered as the politician who stood between a progressive and the white house. take your hollow words and stick em where the sun don't shine.
- oh so now u got somethin to say
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I know I've said this before, but it's the only way. I'm so glad I didn't give any politician a penny, this go 'round. Voting is playing their game under their rules. I'm not playing.
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@Raggedy Ann
you are either too lazy to vote or don't really care who is President.
I know I've said this before, but it's the only way. I'm so glad I didn't give any politician a penny, this go 'round. Voting is playing their game under their rules. I'm not playing.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
a republican and Warren was one forever until the democrats moved right enough to fit in with her values.
She got into politics because of the heinous bankruptcy bill that Biden crafted for his friends at MBNA, but now she says that he is exactly what we need now to beat Trump.
Every damn democrat knows that Biden has mental issues and they are having the media cover that up. But hey folks this time you get to not only vote for teh lesser evil, but you also get to vote for which rapist you think is better than the other one. This is not going away. Trump is brash enough to call Biden out on that. You know he is.
"- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?"
oo oo I got it...an establishment Democrat?
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
a republican and Warren was one forever until the democrats moved right enough to fit in with her values.
She got into politics because of the heinous bankruptcy bill that Biden crafted for his friends at MBNA, but now she says that he is exactly what we need now to beat Trump.
Every damn democrat knows that Biden has mental issues and they are having the media cover that up. But hey folks this time you get to not only vote for teh lesser evil, but you also get to vote for which rapist you think is better than the other one. This is not going away. Trump is brash enough to call Biden out on that. You know he is.
After SC, the Dem party honchos made it quite clear there was no way in hell Bernie was ever going to be allowed the nomination. So instead, we've been treated to one sham election after another with phony polls, rampant voter suppression, and blatantly manipulated results.
As if that's not bad enough, the Dems even stoop so low as to schedule Corona virus primaries that force voters to risk their health to participate in this scam. For a guy like Biden that's all good because Joe doesn't actually give a shit about the electorate and because the outcome is predetermined. But for a guy like Bernie, who does care, the party's threat to the health of his supporters was yet another criminal tactic to pressure him into quitting.
At some point, what's the point?
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
drop out—to save people from exposing themselves to coronavirus and possibly dying to support his campaign.
but not upset.
After SC, the Dem party honchos made it quite clear there was no way in hell Bernie was ever going to be allowed the nomination. So instead, we've been treated to one sham election after another with phony polls, rampant voter suppression, and blatantly manipulated results.
As if that's not bad enough, the Dems even stoop so low as to schedule Corona virus primaries that force voters to risk their health to participate in this scam. For a guy like Biden that's all good because Joe doesn't actually give a shit about the electorate and because the outcome is predetermined. But for a guy like Bernie, who does care, the party's threat to the health of his supporters was yet another criminal tactic to pressure him into quitting.
At some point, what's the point?
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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
This announcement from Bernie has been written on the wall for at least the past month. I’m actually surprised it took this long to happen. Asking or expecting people to ‘get out the vote” when it means risking your life and the lives of others to do so, especially given that Bernie winning now would have been an extreme long shot in any case, dropping out was really the only reasonable path he could take at this point.
Now comes the part where he tells us to vote for Biden, to defeat Trump. I imagine the response to that will be pretty much the same as when he told us to vote for Hillary to defeat Trump. Many will go along, and a lot of us will not. I fully expect Trump will remain president.
that Trump might never have become president and it's so important to get him out if the DNC, Hillary and Debbie Washerwhat'her face hadn't rigged the 2016. Polls showed that Bernie had a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary did.
I know I am not the only one that thinks Pelosi and her fellow republicans in the D party would be upset if Trump wins again. The only bill that they didn't help republicans pass was the tax bill and that was only because their votes weren't needed. But boy have they been busy helping them fix the mistakes that took too much away from the rich.
President Donald Trump on Tuesday once again voiced his support for slashing the payroll tax—the primary funding mechanism for Social Security and Medicare—and said he would be calling for such a cut even if the U.S. were not currently in the midst of a nationwide public health and economic emergency.
"I would love to see a payroll tax cut," Trump, who has repeatedly vowed to "save" Social Security, said at the end of the Coronavirus Task Force briefing Tuesday evening. "I think on behalf of the people it would be quick... There are many people who would like to see it as a permanent tax cut."
Trump himself has also backed the idea of permanently cutting the payroll tax in talks with Republican lawmakers.
"The payroll tax cut would be a great thing for this country," Trump added after claiming that congressional Democrats are standing in the way. "I would like to have it regardless of [the coronavirus crisis]."
This announcement from Bernie has been written on the wall for at least the past month. I’m actually surprised it took this long to happen. Asking or expecting people to ‘get out the vote” when it means risking your life and the lives of others to do so, especially given that Bernie winning now would have been an extreme long shot in any case, dropping out was really the only reasonable path he could take at this point.
Now comes the part where he tells us to vote for Biden, to defeat Trump. I imagine the response to that will be pretty much the same as when he told us to vote for Hillary to defeat Trump. Many will go along, and a lot of us will not. I fully expect Trump will remain president.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
that Trump might never have become president and it's so important to get him out if the DNC, Hillary and Debbie Washerwhat'her face hadn't rigged the 2016. Polls showed that Bernie had a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary did.
I know I am not the only one that thinks Pelosi and her fellow republicans in the D party would be upset if Trump wins again. The only bill that they didn't help republicans pass was the tax bill and that was only because their votes weren't needed. But boy have they been busy helping them fix the mistakes that took too much away from the rich.
President Donald Trump on Tuesday once again voiced his support for slashing the payroll tax—the primary funding mechanism for Social Security and Medicare—and said he would be calling for such a cut even if the U.S. were not currently in the midst of a nationwide public health and economic emergency.
"I would love to see a payroll tax cut," Trump, who has repeatedly vowed to "save" Social Security, said at the end of the Coronavirus Task Force briefing Tuesday evening. "I think on behalf of the people it would be quick... There are many people who would like to see it as a permanent tax cut."
Trump himself has also backed the idea of permanently cutting the payroll tax in talks with Republican lawmakers.
"The payroll tax cut would be a great thing for this country," Trump added after claiming that congressional Democrats are standing in the way. "I would like to have it regardless of [the coronavirus crisis]."
@CB
The DNC ought to be happier than a pig in shit. Bipartisanshit, as far as the eye cans see. Better roll up those sleeves, tighten that belt, there's a deficit to pay off. But what else is new.
#14.1.1.1
"I know I am not the only one that thinks Pelosi and her fellow republicans in the D party would won't be upset if Trump wins again."
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I was hoping
For a definitive answer to “Coke vs Pepsi”. It’s been a burning question in my mind about as long as Biden has been in politics.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
No Coke, Pepsi
Dontchaknow
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Your guess is the same as mine.
I have expected this, but it is still shocking.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Voting
is pointless, so it seems. All we get is an illusion of choice. Of course Biden knew of this and called Trump yesterday to tell him during that 15 minute call.
Well done is better than well said-Ben Franklin
So did Her
Remember she told us months ago that she knew who would win the primary. For once I thought she was telling the truth.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
New Biden campaign video?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Bernie's vote for the Great Givaway
did not net him his expected results.
Or did it?
Does anyone remember the name of the Bernie blog that was started by a guy from dkos after the Ides of March edict?
Was it The Progressive Way? Raggedy Ann's avatar is the site's symbol.
I deleted it from my favorite's list years ago.
I wanted to see their reaction to this.
I couldn't find it on a basic search.
Anybody here know what I am talking about and what the correct name of that blog might be?
Thanks.
edit: Not RA's, but it is a bird in red/white/blue. Orbucfan? I think that who it is.
The site is 100% devoted to all things Bernie.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The Progressive Wing. Here’s a link.
The Progressive Wing
@CS in AZ Thanks. It will be
Thanks. It will be interesting to see their reaction to this.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I know some people here get triggered
by what Jimmy Dore has been saying, but what are all those people who supported Bernie both financially and by working on his campaign supposed to do now? Seriously, are they going to swallow everything that made them support Bernie and suddenly flip over to supporting Joe Biden because Bernie says so? Is Bernie going to sheepdog them into voting for Joe Biden who stands for everything that Bernie supposedly does not? Is Bernie going to tell his following that they must give up the dream of Medicare for All and vote for Joe Biden who still says he would veto it if he were President?
Jimmy Dore was and is right. So how far is a bridge too far before people actually decide they have had enough of the kabuki that passes for politics in this country? I was not a Bernie supporter this time around. I supported Tulsi instead, but was prepared to vote from Bernie if he got the nomination. But I refuse to be sheepdogged into voting for a man who cannot articulate a complete sentence and who represents for everything I abhor.
This might get me banned here, but dammit enough is enough! Below is my response to Bernie's tweet today.
And No, Andrew Cuomo or any other neolib is not acceptable either. I am done!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
It is possible . . .
for a Bernie supporter to vote for Biden without being sheep dogged. It is a difficult decision. I'm going to see how much reaching out Biden does.
I respect your decision
because your vote is yours alone to use or not use as you wish.
But I have already been vote shamed both in 2016 and now during this campaign for not supporting a "top tier" candidate. I decided in 2016 to vote my conscience which happened to be Jill Stein of the Green Party. I was not only vote shamed for it, but even lost friends over it. I never regretted that vote though because it was my vote and I used it to reflect my own values. I intend to do so again this time around.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I lost friends over 2016.
But I'm confident I did nothing to be ashamed of so attempts to shame me don't work.
When you find out you can translate for us.
Maybe my hearing is going in my old age, but, for the life of me, I can barely make much sense of his gibbering.
I can barely hear most of his gibbering.
But we'll know how Bernie delegates are treated at the convention, assuming there is one, and his VP pick should be a big clue.
Reaching out
The only reaching out you will get from Biden is his hand in your underpants.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Is that you D Wayne Love?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
I think I'm safe.
How much is enough
Who knows? The biggest problem is people need to think critically and think for themselves and not be influenced by what the people on the teevee tell them to think. Sadly most people aren't capable of doing that. And schools don't teach anything useful--no civics, no real American history, no classes about how taxes work, or how the rest of the world works. Sad!
This shit is bananas.
Here Hear
Brilliant:
This is exactly what Jimmy was saying Bernie should do if he was actually serious about changing the direction of the country. Last time people did a massive general strike they got social security, Medicare, labor laws with teeth and an huge increase on taxes on the wealthy. Bernie knows that this is one of the few ways that this country will ever get changes.
Thanks for saying that. It needed to be said.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
black agenda report is
calling for general strike beginning on May 1 (naturally). and that's why i asked on my recent diary what will it matter if there are no picket lines permitted under coronavirus rules?
fill up the jails? on, no; i forgot; that's how far the American Civil Liberties Union has our backs: 'Please po-po, sheriffs, judges: don't jail non-violent people, let everyone else go!' because: coronavirus.
they don't mind the other vast numbers of civil and privacy rights having been 'suspended'.
When was there a general strike in the USA?
My history classes said nothing about it and neither did my parents.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
They wouldn't, of course
It's not in the Corporate interest to tell you.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
My parents were blue collar workers
not corporate shills!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I meant "history" (indoctrination) classes.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
knowing i shouldn't speak
her, snoopy might be thinking of the IWW (Commie Wobblies) strikers having finally suspended their sttikes (during fdr's war effort?) leading to many new deal reforms. i can't remember the timing, and i've read far too many pages using the search terms 'wobblies, FDR, nlrb, etc', but this is the closest i'd finally come, and by now my eyes are shot, and i need to go fix some dinner.
'America's missing labor party', the new republic, oct. 2018
a number of headings in bold, nor do i know that loomis's book was correct. but this seems pertinent (she sayed hopefully):
They may have tried to have a general strike
but it wasn't successful.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
perhaps;
but if you read the article from the top, they targeted various industries for strikes, not all workers in the US, and outside the confines of the Democratic Party..
When was there last a pandemic in American history?
Wait! I know that one. 1918, in the middle of a World War.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
Biden's statement on Bernie dropping out
Joe you have already had the chance to trasnform the nation and boy howdy did you ever succeed in doing that. But only for your rich friends in the banking industry and elsewhere including the massive buildup of your corporate spying friends.
I love Bernie, but he just didn’t get the votes.
Yeah that is what happens when there is massive voter supression where people have to stand in lines for up to 7 hours just to vote. Or risk their very lives to to so like the most recent 2 times in the middle of an effing pandemic.
Lots of love for Bernie today from the kids. Or inmates. Your choice.
Yeah I don't see that happening after what your blog has said about Bernie, ("he can go fuck himself and this includes his supporters")
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
I betcha Jill wrote that,
or one of ByeDumb's staffers. It's too coherent to be his own work.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
If Biden wins, Jill may be the real power of the Oval Office
If Joe's cognitive abilities she could step in and guide him on decisions.
More like destroyed a movement.
My wife was right. Don't give money to politicians.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Wait! What!
No way that will freaking happen.
I agree with you gg.
well, it could be interpreted
by some as calling for a revolution.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
wait, is that a settled rule here, that one is not allowed
to call for a revolution?
https://www.euronews.com/live
good on ya,
i'd thunk so.
i think it's a great call
to arms aimed against 'bullshit'. think what else he could have called for in that goodbye speech! nah, it won't get you banned; it's over now that the fat lady done sung.
"our delgates at the convention can influence the Party Platform!" how fearless. yanno, the MLK, jr. quote about the arc of the moral universe bending toward justice: guess i don't begin to agree with that, at least as far as my geezer lifetime.
this nation's gone the other direction (devolved) since the viet nam war, imo.
The arc of the moral universe is BROKEN
There will be nothing remotely resembling justice any time in the foreseeable future.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
is it safer to say rebellion
as opposed to re-invent-a-solution?
don't spank me, just defining diapers
agreed,
and with all my great respect for MK, jr: it broke when he, medgar evers, and and others were assassinated, MLK especially for protesting the viet nam war so well and so wisely. at riverside church? one of the best
speechessermons ever delivered.as a very tangential side note: that prophet almost caused me to believe in god. yes, i just checked w/ the king institute: '“Beyond Vietnam,” originally delivered at The Riverside Church on April 4, 1967'.
then: 'i may not get there with you...' still gives me the shivers.
once again i'd misread
and thought you'd also asked 'what happens to their contributions'. (i swear i'll learn to read one day...)
but this is open secrets on bernie sanders' $ up to march 23, 2020:
combined with feb. 29, 2020: cash on hand: $18,872,244
i'm sure we'll be hearing which down-ticket candidates he'll be sharing it in coming days.
Bernie was the best we could do
But really fatally flawed and not up to the task. He really didn't understand the problem or have a blueprint to go forward. If he did he would have known that the Democrat Party is not in any conceivable way the horse to ride. It's amusing that he almost got further than they would allow, although they certainly would have shut him down at the convention. Anyone serious about changing this country will never be a part of the Dem Party structure, even as just a candidate. For me the "tell" in all of this was Bernie's stand on war. If he had been principled, as Tulsi was, he would have gone as far as she did. OK, we need to get this into our heads, if we are principled progressives and believe in love, peace, social justice and economic justice then the Democrat Party will never be the horse to ride. Yeah, it's going to be a long haul to get this going, but we need to seriously stop fantasizing that we have anything in common with the Dems. We need a focussed strategy.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Saagar: "A few things that were very stupid"
From 4 weeks ago. Biden has mental health issues and the media must talk about it. lol I know
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Trump is going to hammer him in debates unless he plays along with the kabuki BS that our elections are and pre tape the debates so they can edit out Biden's word salads.
Way of the Bern discussion
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
If they do edit out Biden's word salads
there will be precious little left on the plate. Putting Biden up as candidate for POTUS tells us how little the DNC thinks of the intelligence of the voters. I also wouldn't put it past them to offer a new candidate at the last minute as Biden drops out.
In any event, who the hell wants to lead this country in the shape it's going to be next fall?
I am stilll betting
that Biden is just a placeholder for whomever the establishment wishes to run under the Democrat banner.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Watch for Obama the puppetmaster's next move
I absolutely agree. Obama is running this show and he knows very well that Biden will lose to Trump. He is putting out signals of wanting to bring Elizabeth Warren into the fold -- undoubtedly in an attempt to coop the left. And just as Liz-ard stood up the day after Bernie's supporters were humiliated and insulted in Philly to say, "I'm with Her", I believe she's just waiting for her chance to look up at old Joe and say, "I'm with him." The game is not over -- and they are talking behind the scenes with Bernie to try to secure his cooperation in the game. I love Bernie, but it's true that he's not up to winning. The day after Super Tuesday, he announced, "This is a campaign of ideas." Sorry we weren't working for you to be chief philosopher, and when it came to the hard stuff of politics, again Bernie showed that he gets the ideology but not the part about fighting to win. So we are left to take the fight to the next level.
Warren has already said that she is with Biden
Yesterday or the day before she was on the Twit saying that he's our best hope for the country. This was whilst Bernie was still in . See my tweets below on her statement on Bernie dropping out. It's nauseating and people aren't buying it.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
OOOH! I just had a new thought.
Biden's promised female VP?
Michelle Obama!
True she never held political office, but neither had Trump.
Biden can't debate, but she can. And if he insults the nice black lady on TV, the indies won't like it. Black voters will come out in droves and women too, even Left women.
In October, Biden can withdraw for "medical issues".
I don't like it, but I do like it on a technical basis. It will play in Peoria,
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
nope.
the buzz mill says kamala harris (the lotus flower). ID politics.
Last time I looked Michelle obama was AA
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Me too. And now that Bernie has done whatever he calls it to his
campaign the DNC will feel free to install whatever neoliberal piece of shit warmonger into Dopey Gropey Joe's shoes.
Hillary to the Rescue (tm)
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Trump will hammer him
..... period.
There is no way to "edit out Biden's word salads". If one does this, Biden completely disappears from the camera. If Buy-Dum's mouth is open, word salad is what comes out.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Looks like I'm voting Green... again.
What a waste of time this all is.
And of course, he'll endorse Bidone. Ye gods!!
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Me too.
Betrayed again. I'm tired of being told no. Bernie is a fraud. Fuck this shit.
This shit is bananas.
The futility of it all
is mind-numbing.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I'm Not Even Sure
That the Green candidate is worthwhile this time around, honestly.
I'll still vote--for other races and ballot initiatives and such. Maybe I'll write in Tulsi for president, but maybe I just won't cast a vote for that race.
I'll be just as sad whether Trump or Biden gets in. It's not even whether one is slightly better than the other. Trump is withdrawing people from a lot of our war zones--does anyone really think Biden would do that? I sure as hell don't.
Biden might (and I mean *might*) be better than Trump domestically, but I'd almost rather see Trump destroy the entire place. As an independent, I don't owe my vote to *anyone*. Candidates have to *earn* my vote. So far, nobody has.
You want to win, field a candidate who doesn't suck shit so I can vote for them!
What I want:
--End war on drugs, legalization of some drugs
--End foreign wars and 80% reduction in US bases in other countries
--End police militarization
--End prison/industrial complex
--Huge action on climate change
--Bring manufacturing back to country and reverse the off-shoring of jobs
--Bring heavy regulation back to the banking and money sectors
--Health care for all
Give me a candidate with at least 3 of those and I'll consider voting for them. Over half of them and I definitely will. Biden supports zero of those. So, eff him. I don't want what he's selling.
Earn. My. Vote.
Yep
I have some issues with Howie Hawkins also.
Voting is not going to get us where we should be as far as moving forward.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Howie Hawkins is fine.
Go ahead and vote for him -- you have my blessing. I've met him. He's all right.
The problem with the Green Party, if I recall correctly, is that they don't really have any binding primaries. They're all beauty contests. So their campaign season is as long as the period from the convention to the election. The point of running candidates, then, is to maintain the party's ballot status. That and when it comes to parliamentary procedure in their meetings they tend to make stuff up. They had their chance in 2000 when Ralph Nader ran as a Green. Neither they nor he did much of substance with that chance. The Green Party is really only strong in California.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
the green party won't
choose their nominee until july (iirc), but yes my guess it will be howie. read his issues if you will, but i hope the video that shows him phonin' it in, after looking like he'd peed his jeans ain't there. he knows he won't win, but even if you consider it a a Protest Vote...
i've vote green the past four cycles. click the Vision drop down; i like his socialization map.
I'm with you on seven out of eight
And I'm a (small c please!) conservative guy. I'll go along with the eighth to get the other seven.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Which is the exception?
Which is the eighth item?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Doesn't matter
I'm not wedded to it and am willing to go along for the sake of the others.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
It should be interesting
to hear Bernie out there, stumping for Biden, parroting all the policy positions Bernie has been against for, oh, 40 years or so.
Politics was once interesting and exciting, and may one day return to that exalted throne.
At the moment, it is only interesting to the extent of observing lying bastards trying to convince me what I should believe in, what I should hope for, what I should accept.
Well, they can all just kiss my fucking ass.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Mine too.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I don't want their lips near me!
Make that "their lying lips"
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Guess she has forgiven Bernie for what he 'said' about her
Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America.
- thank you @ewarren
for failing your constituents as well as the entire progressive movement
- you will be remembered as the politician who stood between a progressive and the white house. take your hollow words and stick em where the sun don't shine.
- oh so now u got somethin to say
- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
excellent points
especially "Your endorsement could've saved his campaign. And America."
Liz accomplished what she set out to do
Split the votes between her and Bernie.
Make up the 'you said a woman can't win the presidency' that weakened his campaign.
Again refused to endorse him even though she initially ran on many of the exact same issues that he did.
Then got basically endorsed Biden before Bernie dropped out.
There are a lot of responses to her tweet that are pretty brutal. But then I feel she deserves everyone of them for selling herself out once she got into congress. She is a shell of the person she was when she took Joe and Hills to task for their policies.
I will never believe that the votes were counted fairly starting with Pete winning Iowa after they changed how they would count them at the last minute with an App that he helped fund.
Super Tuesday results were also inaccurate imo because the media called the race for Joe the day before people even voted and they called states for Joe immediately while waiting weeks to declare Bernie won the ones he did.
I just read this comment in response to someone saying that we need to vote blue no how despicable it would be for us to do so.
Low info voters? Guess that means me. But what they don't understand is many Bernie supporters are independents that would never vote for a democrat. And for gawd's sake when did it become acceptable to shame people for who they vote for? Just because Rogan said he'd rather vote for Bernie than Biden and Trump over Biden doesn't give people the right to throw rotten eggs at Bernie for his endorsement. When AOC endorsed Bernie Kos said that endorsements aren't all that anymore. But then John Lewis, the civil rights icon endorsed Biden and the others that came before him they threw a party for them. As always it's the f'cking hypocrisy that I cannot stand.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Probably my greatest anger
in this entire fiasco that the Democratic party pretended were the primaries is directed toward Warren. Nearly every other candidate was reasonably true to their stated policies, but Liz kept lying and changing it as she went along. She should never be trusted by any voter at any level from now on.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Yet Liz will be the one they call on to "unite the party"
The game plan is to use her to appeal to the Bernie wing. It's so sad that they don't think we can see and understand these moves. They tried to bully us into voting for Her in 2016. Now the only platform Biden has is "I'm not Trump," yet they think the bullying game will work this time around. I agree that the votes haven't been fairly counted from Iowa on -- it's easy to see that when the DNC waits for days to announce results, that they are playing games. That's when they don't close or move polling places or knock voters off the rolls for wearing the wrong color socks.
Ain't no vote for Joe from me or my household. Let's see how running the same game runs for them this time. I really don't think the results are much different whether Trump or Biden wins. Would that it weren't true. Wish we still had some troubadours like John Prine to inspire us -- those flag decals won't get you into heaven any more Joe -- and we ain't listenin' to the songs that you or the DNC are singing. Electoral politics are no longer a pathway for change (haven't been for a long time). But the DNC is educating lots of young people on this truth and will reap the whirlwind for their lies sooner rather than later.
A few people say Biden has less baggage than Hillary did
I beg to differ. Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State got lots of blood on her hands, but Biden was right there beside her voting for the things she did. How many people have lost their homes due to the bankruptcy rules that Biden got put into place? How many people have been hurt by the rulings of Clarence Thomas who Biden is responsible for getting on the Supreme Court?
How many black families went into poverty because their men got thrown into prison because of the crime bill that Biden wrote? Just a few of the horrible legislation that he got passed. Oh yeah Biden has much more baggage than Hillary in my opinion. But I'm still saying that he will never sit behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office or if he does he will just be a puppet figurehead while he lets the CEO of BlackRock be his chief of staff and runs the country.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
I will never vote for the man that conceived
the Catfood Commission. Period.
I probably won't vote at all, but if it looks like Biden might win, I will vote for Trump. But on;y if Biden looks like he will win. OTOH, Madigan and Pritzker will fix it in Illinois for him even if not a single voter votes him.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Kamala waffled
and wimped on M4A, as did Bootajudge, who a year before was touting M4A as what should be the reasonable, uncontroversial moderate position.
As for Liz, recall that she is a pol and not always a good one. She got out in front of her skis back in Sept when she was riding high in the polls, and then decided to pivot to the center to broaden her support and maybe cut into Biden's support. I don't consider it much more than a strategic blunder and terrible timing.
What do you call
a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?
A Judas goat.
The one thing that's worse than a sheepdog.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
My feelings about Warren are best expressed in french: Fuck her
I don't give a shit if she is on the ticket or not. She's a traitorous weasel piece of shit windsock. If I want to be stabbed in the back I'll vote for Trump.
What do you call.....
A liar, cheat, fraud, and traitor?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I'm dropping off the voter roles.
I know I've said this before, but it's the only way. I'm so glad I didn't give any politician a penny, this go 'round. Voting is playing their game under their rules. I'm not playing.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Problem is they will claim that
you are either too lazy to vote or don't really care who is President.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I don't give a damn what "they" say.
Why should I? Do they care what I say? NO! Get over it!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
um lemme see
"- What do you call a progressive who only backs establishment Democrats?"
oo oo I got it...an establishment Democrat?
Well done is better than well said-Ben Franklin
Actually I was thinking
a republican and Warren was one forever until the democrats moved right enough to fit in with her values.
She got into politics because of the heinous bankruptcy bill that Biden crafted for his friends at MBNA, but now she says that he is exactly what we need now to beat Trump.
Every damn democrat knows that Biden has mental issues and they are having the media cover that up. But hey folks this time you get to not only vote for teh lesser evil, but you also get to vote for which rapist you think is better than the other one. This is not going away. Trump is brash enough to call Biden out on that. You know he is.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
The Rump will call ByeDumb out on EVERYTHING
It'll be the ultimate curb-stomp election.
Maybe ByeDumb will be able to win Delaware...maybe.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Disappointed...
but not upset.
After SC, the Dem party honchos made it quite clear there was no way in hell Bernie was ever going to be allowed the nomination. So instead, we've been treated to one sham election after another with phony polls, rampant voter suppression, and blatantly manipulated results.
As if that's not bad enough, the Dems even stoop so low as to schedule Corona virus primaries that force voters to risk their health to participate in this scam. For a guy like Biden that's all good because Joe doesn't actually give a shit about the electorate and because the outcome is predetermined. But for a guy like Bernie, who does care, the party's threat to the health of his supporters was yet another criminal tactic to pressure him into quitting.
At some point, what's the point?
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
This may be what actually motivated Bernie to
drop out—to save people from exposing themselves to coronavirus and possibly dying to support his campaign.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I’m sure that is part of it
This announcement from Bernie has been written on the wall for at least the past month. I’m actually surprised it took this long to happen. Asking or expecting people to ‘get out the vote” when it means risking your life and the lives of others to do so, especially given that Bernie winning now would have been an extreme long shot in any case, dropping out was really the only reasonable path he could take at this point.
Now comes the part where he tells us to vote for Biden, to defeat Trump. I imagine the response to that will be pretty much the same as when he told us to vote for Hillary to defeat Trump. Many will go along, and a lot of us will not. I fully expect Trump will remain president.
Never forget
that Trump might never have become president and it's so important to get him out if the DNC, Hillary and Debbie Washerwhat'her face hadn't rigged the 2016. Polls showed that Bernie had a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary did.
I know I am not the only one that thinks Pelosi and her fellow republicans in the D party would be upset if Trump wins again. The only bill that they didn't help republicans pass was the tax bill and that was only because their votes weren't needed. But boy have they been busy helping them fix the mistakes that took too much away from the rich.
Oh Boy. How hard will they fight this?:
Trump Call for Permanent Payroll Tax Cut Is "Code for Gutting Social Security's Dedicated Funding," Say Critics
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Small edit?
"I know I am not the only one that thinks Pelosi and her fellow republicans in the D party
wouldwon't be upset if Trump wins again."Yeah
The DNC ought to be happier than a pig in shit. Bipartisanshit, as far as the eye cans see. Better roll up those sleeves, tighten that belt, there's a deficit to pay off. But what else is new.
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