@Raggedy Ann

would be hell, especially given that bill gates eems to be in the middle of it. i'd forgotten to mention that he'd recently resigned from the the boards of both microsoft and berkshire hathaway to...concentrate on his philanthropic ventures and the coronavirus global health issue. he also made a Big Deal about having 'contributed' another 100 million or close to the problem.

the only time i ever had any sort of flu was years ago when a doc who was a client of mine insisted i get one for whatever flu as i worked with the public. it was allegedly a dead virus, bot jeezum crow, i've never been so sick.

they'd have to take me to jail.

commenter w hall at the café provided this video, saying it was quite comprehensive. no way i'd ever spend 2 hours on any video.

'Del lays out a path to defeating the 2020 push for vaccine mandates, and unearths a potentially catastrophic problem with the world’s strategy against #Coronavirus.'

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVizW1OgQZQ&feature=emb_logo]

it's 3-loaves of bread day for me, and i need to go prep them for their final proof in their pans. be back soonish.

on later edit: from del on the twit machine:

CORONAVIRUS QUARANTINE Does the data dictate putting America in Quarantine? What’s the real death rate of Coronavirus? What will end this unprecedented lockdown? Del has two very important questions for the U.S. government, and for you. https://t.co/sO1FsYuxnk

— The HighWire (@HighWireTalk) March 19, 2020

and file under 'beats me':

'Del Matthew Bigtree is an American television and film producer who became a prominent anti-vaccination activist. He is the CEO of the anti-vaccination group Informed Consent Action Network and the producer of the movie Vaxxed based on the discredited views of Andrew Wakefield concerning vaccines and autism [that would be MMR]. Despite having no medical training, his appeal as a public speaker and a recent influx of funding make him one of the most prominent voices in the anti-vaccination movement.'

I've been listening to many who are pointing this stuff out. This is why, a couple weeks ago, I was issuing my alarm about the vaccine for this and mandatory vaccines all around. It's coming and it's to control us. Adult vaccines are on the horizon and we won't be able to travel without them. A healthy amount of skepticism is necessary. Be wary.

@doh1304

i'm not sure where you're headed on this, but the pale grey text is all but impossible for me to read, doh1304.

https://www.lauriegarrett.com/the-coming-plague
Even after the tinfoil hat antivaxxers we still go there? Well yes - read the chapters on smallpox and malaria, the first a success against human stupidity and paranoia, the second an immensely destructive idiocy.

@leveymg

evn though i'd copy pasted some of it in, i'd never even thought of looking to see if there were comments. fuck me, some of them hate china, don't they? as in: them wiley commies created the coronavirus on purpose, just to get even with trump!'

but yes, it's quite a coincidence as to timing and the Need to create a SupraNational public/private organization to be the One Ring...to Rule Us All.

but did you dig Cheif tedros's inscrutable word salad?

"Tedros paid tribute to the “incredible achievement” of researchers around the world “who have come together to systemically evaluate experimental therapeutics.”

He said that “multiple small trials with different methods” may not result in the clear and strong evidence needed about which treatments save lives. The WHO and its partners are therefore organizing a large study across many countries to compare some untested treatments.
The study will be called the ‘Solidarity trial’ to reflect its unified nature."

but the upshot is quite bill gates and company imo.

i think i'd read that cuban doctors have been looking into some tweak or other on Interferon for a possible vaccine, maybe with Iranian researchers.

and this is quite new to me:

Reminds me of the simulations that were being run by NORAD that similarly mapped out the 9/11 attacks. What can I say, except, at what point do high-level simulations stop and the real thing commences?

whooosh. creepy-bo-beepy.

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/ - that took me to the Johns Hopkins site that accurately mirrors the results of the "simulation" that took place in October. I have to say, the hypothetical outbreak laid out in the Event 201 simulation of a global "CAPS" (Coronavirus) pandemic is uncannily accurate in the sequence, scale and timing of Covid19. A virtual blueprint. The fact that these semi-annual exercises are run by US and NATO countries is also deeply disturbing.

Reminds me of the simulations that were being run by NORAD that similarly mapped out the 9/11 attacks. What can I say, except, at what point do high-level simulations stop and the real thing commence?

@WoodsDweller

good thing if they do let the employees shop first. they've gone thru utter hell watching the hoarders shop like it's Black Friday, pushing and shoving one another (at least according to mr. wd's friend Walmart Greeter jenny).

he decided to go tomorrow morning, called, and was told 'open at 7 a.m.', so...he'll go in hopes and all. maybe go again another day, but there are also slaveway and shitty market, as well.

that musta been a hella drive thru that storm in the dark, amigo.

jim mimiaga's coverage was yellow journalism, with his non-sequitur about 'area kids under six (mumble, mumble 'hospitals'): Corona Virus! if art goodtimes is still alive, he'll likely shove their needles...back at them.

hmmmm. would Stand Your Ground laws fit here?

driving in that nasty snowstorm in the dark.
Got to WalMart at 7am, but it looks like it had opened at 6 (contrary to signage and web site), maybe 7am starts tomorrow.
Shelves had been stocked with what they had available. WM truck was pulling away as I parked. If you want to buy anything, get there when they open. I bought a 6 pack of TP, paper towels, and Kleenex. There wasn't much, I'm sure it was all gone in minutes. No fresh meat, period. Very little bread. A few canned goods they had put out overnight. Plenty of fresh fruits, veggies, and dairy. No hand soap (I could use a bit more), sanitizer, wipes, Vitamin C.
Overheard that they are going to let employees shop from 6-7am Friday. That's good, but that means there won't be anything to buy on Friday.
I had some blood drawn, the technician told me there were zero reported cases in the county, one case on the reservation. She hadn't heard about San Miguel County until I told her.

@edg

had to come back into the front door of the site. 'attenuated live virus'; hmmmm. good more didn't die, then, including you of course. but this is fun, considering 2020 and WHO vaccine trials:

But while the World Health Organization adopted a cautious “wait and see” policy to monitor the virus’s pattern of disease and to track the number of emerging infections, President Gerald Ford’s administration embarked on a zealous campaign to vaccinate every American with brisk efficiency.

i had a bodywork client back in those days who'd contracted Guillain-Barré, and once his paralysis was mainly gone and he could get to my office, his musculature had no turger trigger points (toxic contraction points) due to the long paralysis.

thanks for the info, amigo. wish i could remember which bad-ass flu shot i'd gotten; must have been in the early 80s? doesn't really matter, of course. Never.Again.

There was panic about the swine flu in late 1976. Forty-five million Americans were vaccinated, including me, a soldier at the time. One person died of the swine flu. More than four hundred and fifty people were paralyzed by the vaccine with Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Due to the urgency of creating new immunizations for a novel virus, the government used an attenuated “live virus” for the vaccine instead of a inactivated or “killed” form, increasing the probability of adverse side effects among susceptible groups of people receiving the vaccination.

Source: The Public Health Legacy of the 1976 Swine Flu Outbreak

Some things can be rushed. Others, hell no.

@Alligator Ed

extensively and helpfully on the subject, and as an actual doctor, to boot. including not being able grasp this or anything close:

It all comes down to immunomodulation. Wu Flu will be a sucker for any good viral replicase inhibitor. by whatever means this is accomplished.

but i will say that at every non-mainstream, alternative news sites, the subject of the month has been 'corona virus!' i really didn't want to know anything about it. after a time, it seemed to me that people loved freaking out over fear-porn the way folks love zombie movies. but when i began reading some of Twitter Skeptics, i knew i'd need to compile a list (and i brought about half, i reckon) and post it, knowing i wouldn't be thanked for it. so: thank you.

Much ado about almost nothing.

Why are mortality figures so disparate. How can South Korea have 0.6 % case fatality rate while Italy has 7 %? Much of the answer is because of the testing and lack thereof. When huge numbers are tested, such as SoKo is doing, the CFR is low, not much worse than other epidemics. Italy has not been doing a good job of testing. When testing catches up to demand we will find that Italy's CFR is much lower. Much, much lower.

likely so.

i had videos by docs in foreign lands, one italian, (one i dunno from whence) with subtitles, aiming in this direction, as well. but i loathe trying to comprehend video info, as i mainly 'think' in images any longer (even if written text, sometimes), and have no auditory memory at all. but i does do copy/paste purdy good, don't i?

gotta go check my purdy loaves; thanks for reading and contributing, gator man.

That’s particularly true when it comes to vaccine development. The CAPS virus—which Toner describes as a cousin of SARS, “but slightly more transmissible, like the flu, and slightly more lethal”—was presented as resistant to any existing vaccine, as scientists scrambled to come up with one. Citizens, meanwhile, were rioting over scarce access to the next best thing: a fictional antiviral known to treat some CAPS symptoms.

CAPS virus is a stupid name. The major cause of viral pneumonic deaths are through adult respiratory distress syndrome plus or minus superimposed bacterial pneumonia. My posting on this topic is strongly indicative that the Wu Flu is not as bad as advertised. In 4 or 5 months we will discover just how overblown this Wu Flu phobia is.

Make no mistake about my conclusion. Wu Flu can and does killl. But what kind of self-respecting virus doesn't ravage children. It all comes down to immunomodulation. Wu Flu will be a sucker for any good viral replicase inhibitor. by whatever means this is accomplished. Unalloyed self-promoting self-promotion follows. Please read the myriad of Wu Flu (aka coronavirus aka COVID-19 aka SARS-CoV-2) essays.

Wu Flu may not have been DS (deep state) initiated but they are sure promoting the heck out of Panic, panic, panic. Down with the economy to them equals down with Trump. DNC elitists care nothing about butterflies, cats, ants or alligators. Most of you useless eaters should die so that we, the mighty entitled rich folks can continue to have our way.

This whole deal is ginned up, undistilled diarrhea water, liberally (pun intended) sprayed amongst the populace to ensure the herds panic and run off the cliff.

As usual, wd, your encyclopedic review of the current situation is excellent. But the conclusion here is obvious--at least it is to me: Much ado about almost nothing.

Why are mortality figures so disparate. How can South Korea have 0.6 % case fatality rate while Italy has 7 %? Much of the answer is because of the testing and lack thereof. When huge numbers are tested, such as SoKo is doing, the CFR is low, not much worse than other epidemics. Italy has not been doing a good job of testing. When testing catches up to demand we will find that Italy's CFR is much lower. Much, much lower.

@Pluto's Republic

first, allow to me say i need an explanation of this:

Italy’s ‘reward’ for daring to ally itself with China is to become a victim of Israeli bio-terrorism and it will be hit very hard, just to make sure that every other nation is scared off from forging deals with China or joining its Belt & Road Initiative.

as to the article by the EC of foreign relations this is the money quote, isn't it?

The debate pits those who prioritize strengthened economic relations with China against those who fear that the initiative will turn Italy into the “next Africa or Greece”. In many ways, the recent increase in Italian enthusiasm for closer economic relations with China began in 2014, when Matteo Renzi, then prime minister, conducted a high-profile tour of the country. Renzi’s successor, Paolo Gentiloni, continued the effort to court Beijing, as has the current Italian government.

but when i'd clicked into msn.com (our email provider) something close to this was on their rolling thunder: 'china asks US to erase sanctions on iran, trump says fuck off'.

meanwhile china's been sending masks (gowns?) and gloves everywhere it can (and i'm assuming their masks are the good ones, not the ineffective ones).

the amerikan imperium refuses to cede to a multipolar world at their peril.

Coronavirus has been weaponized against China and Iran, as we know, but wouldn’t it be lovely if the US Empire would end the egregious sanctions on VZ and Iran so they had more money to fight the virus? The IMF refused VZ’s request for a $5 billion loan for that purpose because…they didn’t know who should receive it: Maduro or Juan Guaido.

Among my notes:

Italy has broken away from the herd and dared to forge ahead with trade & economic policies that are drawing it into China’s orbit, this is simply not acceptable to the international Zionist criminals, they want China to be isolated, bereft of allies and therefore vulnerable.

Italy’s ‘reward’ for daring to ally itself with China is to become a victim of Israeli bio-terrorism and it will be hit very hard, just to make sure that every other nation is scared off from forging deals with China or joining its Belt & Road Initiative.

The answer to why Italy is under attack is not hard to discover, just read the opening paragraphs of this article by the European Council on Foreign Relations:

One only has to glance at the Italian media to know that, across the political spectrum, Italy’s public debate is dominated by discussions of whether the Chinese government is attempting to buy the country. Following Rome’s official endorsement of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) earlier this month, most prominent Italian decision-makers and political commentators seem to have put aside urgent challenges on the European agenda to focus on this unexpected shift to the east. Even issues as divisive as migration and the powers of the European Union – pillars of the ruling Five Star Movement’s and League’s political identity – now seem somewhat outdated.

The debate pits those who prioritize strengthened economic relations with China against those who fear that the initiative will turn Italy into the “next Africa or Greece”. In many ways, the recent increase in Italian enthusiasm for closer economic relations with China began in 2014, when Matteo Renzi, then prime minister, conducted a high-profile tour of the country. Renzi’s successor, Paolo Gentiloni, continued the effort to court Beijing, as has the current Italian government.

China and Italy are currently negotiating a memorandum that includes 50 economic, cultural, and infrastructural agreements, most of which concern Italian state-owned and private companies, including national champions. The memorandum – which, unlike those Beijing has with 13 other European states, is not legally binding – will be signed during President Xi Jinping’s 21-24 March trip to Italy (the first such visit by a Chinese leader since Hu Jintao attended the G8 summit in L’Aquila in 2009). Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte, a former lawyer, has repeatedly emphasized that the memorandum will include all necessary references to the European and multilateral values Italy has asked China to respect. He aims to reassure Rome’s European and other partners – primarily Washington – that Italy remains committed to the EU and the transatlantic relationship.”

The monsters are unleashed.