PSA: Barely Reported Coronavirus Information

Submitted by apenultimate on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 12:02am

Here's some news that might be useful for people. ACE Inhibitors and ARBs (used to keep blood pressure under control) and everyday ibuprofen (Advil, etc.) seem to make dying from COVID-19 more likely if you happen to get infected:

The Lancet

The gist is that these drugs dramatically increase ACE2 enzymes in your body, and ACE2 enzymes are what the COVID-19 virus uses to bind to cells. So, if you're taking one of these drugs, you're creating a magical golden pathway to really help embed the virus into your body.

From this non-expert, non-doctor's opinion--it's probably not wise to take ibuprofen to relieve those muscle aches and pains if you get sick in the near future (just in case it happens to be COVID-19). Also, if you happen to take an ACE inhibitor or ARB and you get sick, get in contact with your doctor right away and show them that Lancet article and get their advice. It's within the realm of possibility (again, from this non-expert, non-doctor) that stopping your blood pressure medication for a couple weeks might be wise in such a case. (Edit to add: please don't take my word, though, as I'm sure everybody's case is different--it may be more dangerous not to take your blood pressure meds! Speak to your doctor!)

On another front, it looks as though China is using an arthritis drug for some severely ill COVID-19 patients, and it might do some good:

China uses arthritis drug against coronavirus

Also, reports are coming out about how woefully underprepared the US medical system is for the coronavirus:

The Intercept

The New York Times

ProPublica

"We are Italy . . ."

Lastly, take a look at the following Wikipedia page if you live in the United States:

Coronavirus in the United States

The chart to pay attention to is the one right below the US map that shows Covid-19 Cases in the United States.

You'll see that chart is updated daily, and the length of the orange bars (number of cases) is getting larger and larger every day. Once that rate of increase levels off (the new daily orange bars start to be the same length day after day)--that's when we'll be pulling out of this thing. It'll be a good page to look at every so often.

Stay healthy everyone . . . apologies if any of this has been reported here before!

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Submitted by on the cusp on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 1:42am

Thank you so much.

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Submitted by mhagle on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 1:56am

posted this to facebook

really important information!

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Submitted by dervish on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 3:11am

There's a promising drug

out of Japan as well...

Camostat Mesylate

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Submitted by mimi on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 5:15am

So, if you have fever, cough, sore throat and a snotty nose and

no testing is available, how effective are antibiotics for that person? How great are the chances that the antibiotics kill the virus, if the patient carries it without knowing?
1. nil
2. a little bit
3. quite a bit
4. all your viruses do belong to us the graveyards. They are dead 'mausetot'.

I offer a prize for the proven right answer. My undying gratefulness.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 5:59am

Antibiotics kill bacteria not viruses

@mimi

There are some antiviral drugs.

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Submitted by mimi on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 7:17am

that's what I thought too, nevertheless there are

@Lookout
doctors who refuse to test patients with those symptoms, but they prescribe antibiotics. If the patient after having taken antibiotics recovers and has no symptoms anymore, it can't be concluded that the patient does not carry the Corona virus.

I just asked the question, because I wonder how many people might be mislead then. Especially for those who have different viruses plus bacteria infections.

Ok, I am confused.

Can you give me some names of anti viral drugs that available to buy or order in the US pharmacies? Are they prescription free?

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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 7:53am

check my essay today for supplements that might help

@mimi

In the states almost all drugs require a prescription. My advice is to stay away from the doctor's office unless you are so ill you must go. There a hashtag floating around...
#staythefuckhome

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Submitted by Creosote. on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 8:34pm

Which essay, Lookout?

@Lookout
These can be irreplaceable.

Submitted by Blue Republic on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 9:30am

@mimi

@mimi

Hi, Mimi -

Can't help re: anti-viral drugs, but as Lookout suggests,
a strong immune system is very important and something that you can work on improving.

Haven't been over to check his essay yet, I have recently discovered and have been taking Japanese Knotweed (as a tea) - it's a common and highly invasive weed a lot of places, but is very high in trans-resveratrol which has a lot of health benefits and is considered quite safe. Has been used in Traditional Chinese Medicine for centuries and is pretty affordable variety of supplements available on Amazon.

Good summary and links to research on knotweed: here.

Besides Vitamin C, you might want to make sure you are getting enough iodine - deficiency impairs immune response.

Check into mushrooms! Edible: shiitake, maitake...
Medicinal: Reishi, Turkey Tail

reputable source of supplements Fungi.com

For iodine you might try Infowars , lots of other options as well, maybe someone can recommend.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 10:08am

Vitamin D is very helpful.

@mimi

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Submitted by Roy Blakeley on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 9:58pm

There are a lot of bad doctors

@mimi that over-prescribe antibiotics. They can help, sometimes, with secondary infections but secondary infections are not a major cause of mortality with COVID-19.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 10:07am

I've got a sore throat. But nothing else.

@mimi

And it's been like that for weeks. I conclude: pollen, not parasite.

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 11:14am

Antibiotics will fight a secondary bacterial infection,

@mimi

which is apparently what can happen.

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Submitted by Roy Blakeley on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 10:02pm

Snotty nose

@mimi A snotty nose is not really associated with COVID-19. The infection is lower respiratory rather than upper respiratory. A persistent dry cough (bringing up no mucus) is a symptom of COVID-19.

Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 8:02am

Vitamin C appears helpful

https://williambowles.info/2020/03/03/china-treating-coronavirus-covid-1...

“Vitamin C is very promising for prevention, and especially important to treat dying patients when there is no better treatment. Over 2,000 people have died of the COIV-19 outbreak and yet I have not seen or heard large dose intravenous vitamin C being used in any of the cases. The current sole focus on vaccine and specific antiviral drugs for epidemics is misplaced.”

“Early and sufficiently large doses of intravenous vitamin C are critical. Vitamin C is not only a prototypical antioxidant, but also involved in virus killing and prevention of viral replication. The significance of large dose intravenous vitamin C is not just at antiviral level. It is acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) that kills most people from coronaviral pandemics (SARS, MERS and now NCP). ARDS is a common final pathway leading to death.

“We therefore call for a worldwide discussion and debate on this topic.”

Anyone saying that vitamin therapy can stop coronavirus is already being labeled as “promoting false information” and promulgating “fake news.” Even the sharing of verifiable news, and direct quotes from credentialed medical professionals, is being restricted or blocked on social media.

More advice on Vitamin C
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n14.shtml

There is only one existing treatment for the new coronavirus: vitamin C.

Vitamin C supports your immune system.
Vitamin C helps to kill the virus and reduces the symptoms of infection.
It's not a COVID "cure," but nothing is.
It might just save your life, though, and will definitely reduce the severity of the infection.

If someone tells you it's not proven, consider two things:

Nothing is proven to work against COVID-19, because it is a new virus.
Vitamin C has worked against every single virus including influenzas, pneumonia, and even poliomyelitis.

What to do

If you do nothing else, start taking vitamin C right away; at least 3 grams a day, spread right across the day. That's a 1,000 milligram capsule every 8 hours, or a level teaspoon of powder dissolved in a pint or so of water, drank all through the day.

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Submitted by Snode on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 8:23am

Thanks

It could explain why older people are dying at a higher rate.

Submitted by edg on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 12:00pm

Wikipedia Coronavirus Chart

What's encouraging about the chart showing COVID-19 cases in the United States is that the death rate is decreasing despite the number of cases increasing. This is exactly opposite of what's happening in Italy and Iran. We must be doing something right, but I'm unsure what that something is.

Submitted by Roy Blakeley on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 9:46pm

We are testing more

@edg Cases that are less severe are now being tested and diagnosed definitively. Previously only very sick people were being tested. If you look at the data from South Korea, they have a very high apparent infection rate and survival rate. This is due to the fact that they have done and are doing mass testing which revealed that a lot of people had mild cases of the disease. This was very helpful in limiting the disease because it helped people know if they should self quarantine.

Submitted by Roy Blakeley on Sun, 03/15/2020 - 9:40pm

I would be cautious

The Lancet link is to correspondence, not peer reviewed data. In addition, the key reference they cite (reference 4) does not indicate that ACE inhibitors increase the amount of the ACE2 receptor. It is now clear from a number of papers that SARS-COV2 (COVID-19) binds to the ACE2 receptor. That is no longer in question, but the relationship between ACE inhibitors and COVID-19 is far from clear. It has even been suggested that ACE inhibitors should be beneficial, although this is probably not true. The correspondence in the Lancet is based on co-morbidities in very small samples and the results cited are not consistent from sample to sample. A large fraction of old people have high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. An obvious question would be whether the patients that died have these problems at a greater frequency than a cohort that survived.

Submitted by fakenews on Mon, 03/16/2020 - 6:53am

Immune System, Vitamins and Fever is Good!

Live stream discussion last night from Dr. Ken Berry of Keto Diet fame. Pretty good information in an hour long talk. Which vitamins may help and the dangers of trying to suppress a fever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NEnvZJhCwQ

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