Shaun King: Don’t be so sure supporters of Bernie Sanders would easily switch to Hillary Clinton come the general election
Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-don-bernie-supporters-back-hillary-article-1.2578063
Shaun King has written an insightful article that contends what many of us Bernie Sanders-supporters have said for months: that Hillary Clinton shouldn't count on Bernie's supporters to just jump on the Hillary bandwagon should she win. King's article was spurred on by Bernie's interview with Cenk Uygar on The Young Turks:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggFitmOTSok]
Regarding the automated procession to Hillary from Bernie, King:
I'm not buying it. Daily, I have dozens of Bernie Sanders supporters who tell me that if Bernie Sanders loses the primary to Clinton that they would rather somehow see him run as an independent or that they would even consider voting for a third party candidate such as Jill Stein of the Green Party before they would support Clinton.
This is a big reason that I thought Hillary would have been much better off following her early strategy against Bernie: agree when possible, encourage his competitiveness, and be friendly rather than combative. But this IS Hillary Clinton that we're talking about, so we knew that wouldn't last long.
On Bernie's answer when Cenk asked about campaigning for Hillary:
Now, of course Bernie gave the typical spiel on how he is "in this campaign to win it," but when Cenk pushed Bernie for an answer, he pretty much refused to say he'd campaign for her. Seeing the opening, Cenk pushed Bernie on how he "had pretty much convinced millennials that Hillary was the establishment candidate" and asked again if he would get behind such an establishment candidate and campaign for her. Bernie wasn't vague in his answer. Instead, he very clearly told Cenk that he was more interested in what the democratic establishment would do to meet him halfway and then went right into a full fledged critique of the party.
Cenk did have one juicy question left: if Bernie won, was Hillary Clinton liberal enough to be in his cabinet?
Bernie was classic Bernie:
Bernie replied, "Oh, stop getting me in trouble here. There are other people that I would probably go to before Hillary Clinton... people like Elizabeth Warren, for example."
Bang! Beautiful, Bernie. Just beautiful.
VOTE BERNIE SANDERS.
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TESTIFY!
(I am from east Texas, spent lots of time in tent revivals hearing drooling people scream, "Testify!")
I was testifying to prove up attorney's fees yesterday in a court case, and the judge turned me loose, so I swore both to God, and to JAYSUS, that I would TESTIFY! I had the whole court room in stitches.
And I was awarded attorney's fees.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
No ChemBob
you won't get banned, but I'm sure a lot will love this
I can't stop laughing!
C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote
I can recommend you
without fear of getting flagged!
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
I dunno, I think it could be argued that Ebola has killed less
people and destroyed fewer lives than the Clinton's policies have...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
You might be onto something
there....
Effectiveness of opposition research.
Any material that Republican opposition research on Hillary that they use against her, however accurate it may be, will be just the Republicans preaching to their own choir. Clintonistas will dismiss it out of hand, while Berniecrats will see it as broken clock case. Democrats are used to seeing Hillary as a decades-long victim of right-wing attacks.
The Democrats who are open to criticizing her
are already convinced. The indies, which is more important in the general, despise her.
She's not trying to win by making people like and trust her. She's trying to win via terror of Trump.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I would hope that any elected, popular
House or Senate democrat would refuse to go a position in either of their administrations. I've always thought it foolish to poach democrats from elected positions -they always take the most effective people from the legislatures and governorships, leaving us weak and vulnerable to loss of that seat.
After the primary
So suppose Bernie is the nominee. There have been people in the establishment of the dem party who said they wouldn't support Bernie. Why is the onus on him anyway. What is that frickin' party gonna do for the 99 percent of us?
glitterscale
After the primary
So suppose Bernie is the nominee. There have been people in the establishment of the dem party who said they wouldn't support Bernie. Why is the onus on him anyway. What is that frickin' party gonna do for the 99 percent of us?
glitterscale
Well
You posted this twice, so I'll say this twice, FUCK the Dnc, FUCK the Dnc
Coming straight from the underground? :)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
As if anyone cares:
I will state yet again: "I will not be voting for Hillary Clinton in the fall. If need be I will write in Bernie Sanders on the general election ballot." Some people seem to think I must agree with their version of political reality and vote for HRC in order to qualify as sane. I respectifully disagree with the implied syllogism.
Americans' view of electoral politics is so very parochial, it borders upon insanity. You, the gentle reader, may disagree, and so be it.
I'm with you, PriceRip.
I'm starting to hear stories about this here and there.
So I'm guessing we are far from alone.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
You are far from being alone on that. eom
I'm writing in Sanders, regardless.
There was not ever any way I was going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Period.
I made that decision BEFORE she announced her candidacy. I expect there are many more who did the same.
If she's the nominee, November will be a VERY rude awakening for her and her.... sycophants.
If I had supported her at the beginning of her campaign,
I wouldn't support her now. Regardless of whom she ran against. Her lying and her use of race--on both sides of the race war now--to generate percentage pts for her in the polls, regardless of the consequences to the country--had done in any chance of my supporting her a couple months ago. But even if that weren't true...
Election fraud is a Rubicon.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
One of the most infuriating things
about not supporting Hillary Clinton is the idea that the only reason I don't like her is because of right-wing media brainwashing--and if FOX hadn't gotten me, I'd just love her like they do. And that's just such a bunch of shit! I haven't liked her since I first heard of her in 1991, when her husband began his run for President. I can point to some influence from my mom to this end--we were really close and we talked politics all the time. And this was all before the Internet.
I couldn't put my finger on it for a long time as to exactly what about her made me dislike her so intensely at the time (I supported her husband in '92 only), but Mom used to say "She's power hungry. You just watch, she'll end up running for President someday" and I used to laugh at her. I thought she was being a little over-the-top on that much, but didn't she turn out to be right? Dear FSM! Mom passed in 2002, and somewhere on the Other Side, she is just losing her shit over this...
that could be my sig ;->
"Some people seem to think I must agree with their version of political reality and vote for HRC in order to qualify as sane. I respectfully disagree"
If I wasn't so attached to mine I would totally poach it. :)
It's quite the statement.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
btw, gbb,
I had tried to help you pre-3-15-16, but after the EDICT, I knew you were doomed to be hammered.
Anyway, so glad you are here!
Go Bernie!
The man appeals to birds, even!
BAM!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I appreciate it...
but it was bound to be a failed relationship!
Good to see you, too! Thanks!
The no Hillary, no matter what sentiment is more
widespread than party loyalists can allow themselves to believe. They've always been able to count on "better than the other guy." This time, maybe not so much. Rebellion is in the air (and maybe in the water and food and pharma). People are fed up with Bill hot-dogging and breaking laws with impunity, too.
Check out these petitions at change.org and realize that for every signature, more would sign if they knew about them or would at least agree:
Hillary drop out (this one has > 31,000 signatures):
https://www.change.org/p/i-support-bernie-sanders-but-i-will-not-support...
Immediate arrest and prosecution of Bill Clinton for violation of MA election law (>120,000 signatures):
https://www.change.org/p/massachusetts-attorney-general-maura-healey-arr...
I support Sanders and won't vote for Clinton in the GE:
https://www.change.org/p/i-support-bernie-sanders-but-i-will-not-support...
FEC: open an investigation of Hillary Clinton and the DNC for election fraud (>34,000 signatures):
https://www.change.org/p/fec-open-an-investigation-into-hillary-clinton-...
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Vote fro Hillary? Not a chance. #BirdieSanders
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
gawd!
Where do you get this awesome stuff!
Great, made me laugh
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Ain't it great. Fits with my wicked sense of humor!
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
I feel like posting it on some other blog.
For closure.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Already Flagged at TOP
Consensus among the True Believers o' Hillary, (Or TBH) is that omens are a sign of a superstitious and foolish culture that should be talking about how important it is to elect the Anointed One.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
If she didn't want that picture out and about
Perhaps she should not have made that face?
#BirdieSanders is now trending on twitter, some great stuff!
https://twitter.com/hashtag/BirdieSanders?src=tren&lang=en
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
Glad to see you here GBB
I look at Bernie's Run as the most incredible political happening in my lifetime. I'm glad to be here sharing this with similar minded folks. We need to reclaim the Democratic Party or replace it. Voting for Hillary just delays the inevitable for another 4 or 8 years. Not acceptable. How can the Democratic party be the party of the Neoliberal Wall Street vultures? The 1% own just about everything that we have, forcing us to pay them rent on it, and now they have our party. Who stands for the 99%? There is a vast amount of wealth in the US. At least 2T$ hiding in offshore accounts. Yet the government, along with the help of the corporate Democrats, are telling us that we have to sacrifice. The two sides of the scale weigh our survival against their greed. Just take a look at the fucking federal laws on bankruptcy. Who pushed that through and on whose watch? Whose side is Hillary on? It should be obvious.
A vote for Hillary is a vote to screw Americans out of their future, and by the way to get us entangled on another war of regime change, one of her favorites. As a lifelong Democrat I could never vote for Hillary, never. I support the next generation and I'm telling the old loyal Democrats to get out of the way. This is not the 1990s and no Clinton should be acceptable to a real Democrat. The Republicans were ascending when Bill Clinton ran for president. Now they are in a mess, which completely takes away the rationale for a compromised, triangulating, DLC, to-the-right-of-center, New Deal killing Democrat.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
If she wins
She's no more than a one term President.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Birdie for President
Click to see image
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CecdXiIWEAArQui.jpg
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I love it!
Boom! I like how Bernie refuses to swear any sort of fealty to Hillary.
This seems like a good place to drop this.
I got a wry chuckle reading this earlier:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clint...
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
Can I just say
I love all of you. Maybe it's the effect Bernie is having on me.
This shit is bananas.
(No subject)
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
This is cool:
I'm not sure how to embed it here. I hope that, at least, this provides a URL for you guys to go to.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CedRLraWIAApyNU.jpg:large
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
how 'bout this, CantStoptheSignal?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Social Media could easily
make Jill Stein a viable candidate given the anger at the establishment. If Hillary gets the nomination and especially if the GOP fractures into 2 candidates, I think Jill Stein would have a shot. With the imminent catastrophes that climate change will bring, Hillary's nomination might signal the beginning of a time when the Green Party will represent the left.
Beware the bullshit factories.
My guess is that no more than
50% would vote for HRC. And the other 50 percent would likely be split pretty evenly between voting for a repug, voting for a 3rd party and not voting.
And why is that simply because we cant make it here anymore.
Tip of hat to Mr. McMurtry
I think 50% might be quite a generous estimate.
I honestly think, based on the Berners that I talk to that the number may be closer to the low 30's that will cross over.
Many of the people that are fired up over Bernie are that way exactly because he is NOT a representative of the the establishment.
Some are so disgusted that they will (I am not saying it's right) vote for Trump over Sanders as a "Fuck you" to the establishment.
The only thing I am fairly certain of is a Hillary nomination could very well be the death knell of the Democratic party, and sadly, I am not entirely sure that's a bad thing.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Perhaps Trump over Clinton
But not Trump over Sanders. Hillary is to the right of both regarding trade, war and corporate donations. Bernie is the best choice for me, an honest man with policies I agree with, not beholden to our corporate sponsors.
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