"Impeachment is a waste of time!"
Submitted by snoopydawg on Tue, 09/24/2019 - 10:57pm
Lie the nation into killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and it’s, “a waste of time.”
But commit partisan tomfoolery? Game on! https://t.co/zQNisfIRXu
— Haden Ware (@HadenWare) September 25, 2019
Nancy on impeaching Trump:
What did Nancy do to stop the tax bill from passing?
My question is why now? The whistleblower hasn't spoken to congress yet nor has Trump released the transcripts. Could it be because Trump is not going to war with Iran and this is a way to push him? If so look for a false flag event soon. Just a hunch..
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I find it difficult to care.
Even if they succeed. And why should we think they will? Do they have enough Bush Republicans willing to impeach a Republican president?
I dunno, maybe they do; after all, impeaching him might give us Pence. Then again, impeachment doesn't necessarily mean the President's going anywhere. See Bill Clinton.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
We just need to keep talking about the issues,
and let the Establishment Dems and Trump mud wrestle without us.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Yes
I think that's exactly what we need to do.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Well, know that I am listening
to this irreplaceable digestive system.
I agree.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Senate won't
remove him. All of us including Nancy knows this. Both parties however will get to avoid talking about anything at all that actually matters. Bonus: a heightening of partisan tensions among the populace.
I want an Amendment that lets the people impeach anyone in the three branches. I'd start with 90% of Congress.
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
Anything, ANYTHING
...to distract from the meaningful issues and focus on the manufactured outrage. Another "not-Donald-Trump" campaign is born.
The Democrats are gambling that they can vilify Trump convincingly enough to cause him to lose the election. Maybe they can. I hope so. That would eliminate Trump and Pence for good.
But it's a dumbass charge filled with shocking hypocrisies that the public cannot miss. If we are very lucky, Americans will wake from their stupor of denial and finally see the complete corruption that is coursing though the veins of their government.
Apparently we're not killing each other
in large enough numbers to satisfy them yet.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
How will the Dem elite measure success?
Maybe they've just come to the conclusion that Biden is a liability. Since it seems that the inquiry was to be limited to Trump's dealings with the Ukrainian President, it was a matter of throwing Biden to Trump on a silver platter as a sacrificial lamb, letting the orange one do the butchery.
Trump has already gleefully taken on the task with fervor, ordering the release of the transcripts Nancy thought he'd keep tucked away and releasing this videeo attacking Biden for doing the same shit he's accused of doing:
Looks like Warren is their annointed one now. Anything to screw Bernie. And she'll lose to Trump and they can use it as an excuse to never run a "progressive" again. How does Pence-Cruz 2024 sound?
EDIT/add: Either they are dumb af or they just don't care about losing elections:
Spiffing.
It sounds absolutely corking, Mother.
h/t J.K. Rowling, whose writing is better than her politics
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've seen this floated as a theory in a few places
It would simply be uncouth to ask Biden to step down because he's clearly losing it. And it is "his turn" so we can't expect him to
do the right thingpass up his devine right. So, let's assume that Obama telling him "Joe, you don't have to do this" was a bit of a warning. The Dems can't be so clueless as to think Trump wouldn't throw Biden under the bus, right? It's hard for me to believe that's a feature, not a bug, even if the Dems tiptoe around Biden when talking about it.With Biden out of the way, they can clear the lane for Warren, who seems to be the anointed one, at this point anyway. Warren is a heads they win, tails we lose prospect because she won't fundamentally change things, if elected and, as you note, they can play the "we nominated a progressive and she failed" card if not.
Of course, I don't think Warren will win. Impeachment is a political game and they're not going to remove Trump from office as things stand. I read yesterday he has an 80% approval rate among Republicans. That's what the Dems have to beat. Aside from the fact that Trump will destroy Warren in debates (the DNA test was a tell that she can't resist taking his bait), I don't see wonky, professorial Warren connecting with voters in a match-up vs. Trump.
But who knows? It all could amount to nothing as it usually does. Just seems like a very peculiar time to activate that dry, dry powder.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Bernie could still turn out to be the Wizard par excellence
As a wise man once or many times said:
From your beak to god’s ears.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Honestly, I can't tell if they're trying to let Biden know
he will never hold the championship belt, or if they're trying to face turn him.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't think they know either.
Maybe no one is writing this script? Maybe this is a "sink or swim" push for Biden to either get his act together or get out. Seems crazy risky to me, but what do I know? When thinking of the DNC, I start with what makes sense or what I would do and head 180 degrees from there.
I have to admit, this primary is a bit more interesting than I'd expected. I honestly thought HER was going to have another grab at the ring...still not totally ruling that out...heh.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
LOL
When thinking of the DNC, I start with what makes sense or what I would do and head 180 degrees from there.
Sounds about right.
As for HRC, well, I sometimes think she's gonna be the one they present to us when the brokered convention happens...but they seem pretty excited about their plan B gal, Warren. She's shown a remarkable tendency to turn Bernie supporters into pro-establishment partisans.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Welllll...
in the last week I’ve seen British bookies are giving HER better odds than many of the downticket Dems and Mark Penn (who would know) indicating HER would be running. So who knows? Maybe that’s what Warren’s meeting with HER have been about? Heh.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Eew. That's just so gross.
It's getting to the point where my moral revulsion is percolating through my intellectual detachment like a particularly foul cup of coffee.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
But WWE HoF Trump
Has all the heat.
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Well, yeah.
That's why I think they might keep him on as a heel champ.
He's doing the heavy lifting for all the Lex Lugers and Roman Reigns out there.
And by "out there," I mean "in the Democratic party."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
'appease'
what socialist wing of the Dems, aoc?
I assume you're referring to the Hanratty clip
The reference is therein made to AOC's tweetery. I looked and didn't see any tweet quite like is described about anybody appeasing anyone but she is certainly for proceding with impeachment. While AOC is DSA, there's disagreement in those ranks about the matter, too. All I care to add is that I hope she endorses Bernie well before the NYS primary. I was previously thinking better after the holidays but now I think she needs to do it right now to put a kabosh on the intensification of the media pushing Warren.
i was indeed,
and mocking her for the pretend socialist she plays on twitter. interesting you hadn't seen her tweet to that effect but the tankie Twittersphere is indeed anticipating that she'll come out for Liz (who says openly and proudly that she's a capitalist).
aoc, on the other hand, indicts every single actual socialist 'regime', save that she says her kind of socialism is swedish. karl bildt? (dunno who replaced him as PM), but he's a russia gater even now. she also pretends to be anti-gentrificatioon which...clearly she supports privatizing formerly public housing, as does ilhan omar. bah, humbug.
I don't think AOC will endorse Warren
. . . although stranger things have happened. If she does, I won't have anything good to say about her.
But I also don't believe she's a "fake" socialist any more than I believe Zelensky is dependent on fascists. I just think she's a different kind of socialist than you, me, or even other DSAers who feel impeachment is a major tactical error.
that's fine, srsly,
even if i don't agree.
We DO tend to overlay our own complex beliefs on those
...with whom we like to think we share an identity.
my apologies;
in my haste i'd neglected to say one of my disagreements with your comment is that by definition, democratic socialists aren't socialists, they're capitalist reformers.
i'm utterly anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, which actual socialists mu be to qualify as such, imo. howie hawkins' platform on which sectors to socialise is good (or was), but he seems to be determined to run on his green new deal, which the greens first created, and howie's tweaked anew. to me it includes some of the feel-god stuff that aren't actual solutions. he and i have argued about Green Capitalism on his site, but...there it is.
it's not the Green Capitalism writ large that's spawning so many sorts of new for-profit 'Green' businesses, but i still don't care for it.
This current whistleblower seems to be getting a different
treatment than the 8 whistleblowers that Obama's DOJ prosecuted for some reason.
DOJ Moves To Block Alleged Drone Whistleblower's Defense In Espionage Act Case
And he is certainly getting treated different from how Chelsea Manning was and is being treated. As well as Julian Assange. Now why would this be?
Again it's the f'cking hypocrisy!
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Kevin discusses the current whistleblower case
OBSTRUCTION OF WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT LEADS TO PELOSI ANNOUNCING TRUMP IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
It will be interesting to see how this case is handled. The espionage act was designed to only be used for when spies gave away our national security information not to go after people who expose our dirty secrets. Obama weaponized the act to go after journalists which opened the door for Trump to go after Assange. Just more damage from the "best president."
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler will be thee faces of democrats.
Michael Tracey has an argument that impeachment will help Warren. See M Tracey on youtube. Could help Biden as like Hillary, he is the saintly victim of Trump/Putin as this kangaroo court will become Russia 2.0. I think Tracey is right as this will not help Sanders.
But for the next number of months going into early next year, impeachment and Trump will suck the oxygen out of the room. Bernie who? I see a repeat of 2016 where main stream media was all Trump all the time ($$$). Maddow as one tweeter noted is mumbling "ka ching".
My gut says impeachment may help Trump more than the democrats who will be seen through the faces of Schiff, Nadler, and Pelosi--a winning team if ever I saw one.
The Dems have been foot-dragging on impeachment
for years now. Posturing, threatening, but "keeping their powder dry", to borrow the expression from Pelosi. So why now?
It's obviously just a big piece of political theater, designed to distract the public so we don't think too deeply about something they don't want us to look at.
What's the issue that triggered this now? Yep. One of their chosen candidates, Joe Biden, is being threatened with public disclosure of his corrupt misdealings while VP.
I can't help but see a parallel with what the Dems did in 2016, when they created Russiagate to distract and divert attention from the DNC's rigging of the primary for Hillary. Their misdeeds were clearly shown in the various DNC and Podesta emails that were leaked and hacked and published by Wikileaks.
What did the Dems and their corporate media minions do? "Russia stole the DNC's emails and gave them to Wikileaks!Trump used the hacked emails to smear Hillary. Putin colluded with Trump. Collusion! Assange is responsible for Trump being POTUS! Anyone who says any different is a Russian troll. And it's illegal for you American citizens to read Wikileaks, so we'll read it and tell you what you need to know."
(That last bit courtesy of CNN's Chris Cuomo.)
What got lost in all of that tomfoolery was the actual contents of the leaked/hacked emails, which clearly showed the DNC being crooks.
Do you think that's what the Dems are trying to do again now? Trying to point away from what Biden actually did, and reframe the discussion so the public is talking about "who said those things about Biden".
And/or maybe they think if we get excited about impeachment and caught up in that drama, we'll forget about Medicare4All and Bernie and Tulsi and all of the other things the corporate oligarchy doesn't want.
"We're impeaching Trump! NOW will you VoteBlueNoMatterWho"?
Sorry, no, I will not.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
So why now?
Bingo. That is the question. Bush et all and Obama et all got away with blatant war crimes and crimes against humanity and Nancy blew her gasket when she was asked if she would bring impeachment against Bush. Hopefully people were able to view the video.
But I am wondering if Trump is playing along with this farce? He has blocked the house on so many issues already including his tax returns and letting people testify, but he had Rudy out on the media circus saying things that looked like yes Trump did something bad and now Trump has just willingly released the transcript? No court order to do so? Please..... why would he just fold on that, but not on the other issues?
This is just Russia gate 20.0 and is being used as a distraction. When people were focusing on kids being held in detention centers some new scandal came up and blew that off the news. Rinse and repeat. WHat is this a distraction from? As I said last week the Russian spy who came in from the cold story got no traction so now we have this.
"We're impeaching Trump! NOW will you VoteBlueNoMatterWho"?
Lol.... fool me once shame on me, fool me again and I won't get fooled again.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
I'm sure the distraction is for something greater
But it occurs to me that the country just participated in massive climate strikes.
Can't be letting those damn idealistic kids gain any traction toward meaningful change ...
Biden's criminal acts in Ukraine
were looming as the election campaign unfolded. So yes, I think what you say here is the main thing happening, even more important than Iran, as an issue for the military industrial complex. As you said:
Exactly, and as snoopydawg and others have pointed out, this has been the fallback for the DNC. When evidence of their crimes becomes public, as the video of Biden's strong-arming Ukraine inevitably would, their fallback behavior is to scream that someone is attacking our democracy and interfering with an election.
It's as if showing that video of Biden bragging about his criminal act was fine all of last year and before. But now that he's a candidate for president, it's not fair. It's a crime. Never mind that the DNC hired foreign spooks to write a document claiming prostitutes pee-ed on Trump which proved he was an agent of a foreign power. That's fair because it's false. It's all fun and games. But truth? Truth in the form of Biden saying it to the Council on Foreign Relations, on the record, on video? That's not fair.
Essentially what they are saying is that the crimes our government officials commit in bribing other governments and causing war, which is what happened in Ukraine, killing 14,000 innocent people, men, women, children, and babies, are unmentionable in an election campaign. People integrally involved in such crime are allowed to run for president and shall not be held accountable for their past crimes. You can't even mention it.
Speaking of mentioning it, Biden is mentioned near the end of this conversation as being willing to make this travesty work in Ukraine:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5n8UbJ8jsk]
Nailed it Linda
ByeDone wouldn't have been there if he and MyBoss hadn't done their coup which resulted in lots of people dead at the Maiden Square massacre that McCain helped along. As I said in other essay here no one mentions the 10,000 Russians that the Ukraine forces have killed. No its just always bad Russia Russia..... Russia.
From a Common Dreams comment.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
^^^^^^^^^^^
comment of the day; so very well-constructed and articulated, linda wood.
Thank you,
.
I was hoping this week would bring some good news on important climate decisions at the UN or on removing Western forces from the Middle East, but, no. Instead we have this.
Sometimes progress is made when you don't expect it
Agreed that is good when you DO expect it as well.
well it did in london,
but from where is sit, grievous BS finger-pointing ones. i may post about them, although most here would be in dissent, i'm sorry to say.
So only 5 days ago Pelosi was dead set against impeachment
today it's a totally different Nancy, who's she
getting direction from?
These are the D'ims after all, the only reason
for their existence is to keep the true left
bottled in a jar.
https://americaisonline.com/pelosi-scolds-nadler-stop-your-impeachment-n...
https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/24/pelosi-trump-obey-the-law.html
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Hmm. Reminds me of the time she did a 180
on the Iraq War. When she was just an ambitious, rising Congresswoman she opposed it and nearly stopped it (failed to by four votes, which curiously came from the CBC). Once she became Minority Leader she became "Pod Pelosi," as Arianna Huffington put it, and suddenly supported the Iraq War--without explanation.
I'm assuming it's because those in party leadership get an intelligence briefing.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
"Intelligence briefing" as in "Our Way Or Else"?
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
"If you're Intelligent, you'll do it our way."
or else.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
You got it, amiga.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
why now?
yes to all who note 'deflection from actually important issues', as just imagine how many news cycles all this 'inquiry' can take up.
but also: russia-gate's swirling down the drain, as is the D team's #MeToo movement. unless, of course, the durham/barr investigation of the spooks goes anywhere other than more whitewash on Aunt Polly's fence.
hope this is redundant, but patrick martin at wsws had a few choice things to say about all this, including:
plus the awesome hypocrisy factor:
i never have been able to find the video of biden's bragging about that again, bit it was choice. is martin guessin' this is the 'whistleblower'? i'd nominate lyin' brennan. ; )
@wendy davis Oh yes. Unfortunately,
Oh yes. Unfortunately, the DNC is now the legislative arm of the CIA.
and the new york slimes
is the CIA mouthpiece, as USAID and NED are their allied compromised NGOs. work a treat in harmony, don't they?
Video
I'm not finding clips that seem reliable.
Here's one from RT, 1:15 - 1:45:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4]
Oh, and let's not forget about this: "Hunter Biden Discharged from Military After Testing Positive for Cocaine". A month after receiving his commission.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvCe5WZ8HNA]
Joe isn't responsible for what his adult kids do, but it's more stuff the Trump campaign can throw at him.
EDIT: Here's a more focused clip.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urTk6O4c0mU]
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
bingo!
third one's the one i remembered. thank you, darlin'. (now why wasn't i able to find it? bad mojo?)
There is no way that the Senate would convict Trump.
They wouldn't even hold a trial.
Waste of time. But it will give the Democrats something to do while not addressing the economic problems of our country.
Or any of the other problems.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
months of a trial,
then 67 votes? nah, rubbish. but go nancy! ♫ dance to your organ grinders!♫ ♫
Absolutely no way -- a 2/3rds vote isn't going that way
Anything but a started-by-the-House-ended-by-the-Senate outcome is MSM fantasy. But that worked so well for the GOP against President Bubba.
There must be a faction in the professional class running That Party who have convinced themselves that there are some sort of unicorn Republicans who can be peeled off.
That ship sailed long ago. All that this will do is solidify a siege mentality and make it more difficult for progressive challengers in parts of the country where they might otherwise persuade many.
Incumbent Democrats are probably okay with keeping a lot of those GOP folks around since they like cutting bipartisan deals with them so much.
Ukraine Call Transcript
If anyone wants to read it, you can download the PDF from whitehouse.gov:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.201...
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
good on ya;
i'd seen the tweeted blurry pages at RT, went to hunt it down, and got waylaid by these w/ no pdf links):
‘White House releases transcript of Trump call with Ukrainian president’
washingotn examiner, September 25, 2019
followed by:
‘Pelosi: Trump call with Ukraine president a 'shakedown', Susan Ferrechio, September 25, 2019, also examiner
My head is aching but I see absolutely nothing wrong
with that conversation. Much less an impeachable offense.
Please, someone put a pillow over Nancy's face.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Krystal Ball :
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6LKxncRXKU width:599 height:300]
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
"betrayal of our elections"
LMAO Nancy. You could have said that when Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary or said it now as they are doing it again. But no..Nancy declares that he broke the law even before any proof has been proof.
Or Trump's corruption was worse than Bush's corruption as stated in the tweet, but this is the hill she is willing to die on.
There are many legitimate things Nancy could try to impeach him for and that she isn't shows how she and her fellow congress rats are totally fine with what he is doing.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
It's odd to give such an unworthy, treacherous President
80 billion extra dollars for military spending.
But what do I know, I'm one of those little insects almost too small to see.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Actually they pretty much give him whatever he wants
as they haven't stopped him from doing
anything.
Resistance isn't a feature, it's a bug.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
LMAO, ggersh
a bug, not a feature
I try hard not to think about those people much because it makes me really pissed off how they appropriated a term from people who were actually risking their lives fighting Nazis. How disrespectful can you get.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You got it girl ameriKan politics is all for
dough, with some show thrown in.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Democrats have voted for almost every one of Trump's
Legolas ggersh says. The only one they didn't get to vote for was the tax bill, but only because the republicans didn't need their votes. But the republicans screwed up a lot of things in and and so of course they need democrats to help them fix it.
"Trump is the most dangerous president of our lifetimes!" But then they voted to give Trump more power to spy on us. Go figure. But people still think that democrats are resisting Trump.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
When did Trump take possession of Legolas?!
Should we send a team to find him and get him out of there?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
lol....
Oops. Auto correct strikes again. And now I've forgotten what I meant to write. Sigh...really bad hair day..
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Hey, I take the laughs where I can get 'em.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
yes, extra billions,
but as i remember it was: because russia, as were the reasons that the Dems learned to love the CIA, including the 'anonymous' ones quoted in the NYT on russia-gate.
But...but...
If this is the argument:
We justifiably hate Russia and fear them because they rigged our elections and put Trump in
How in the name of all that's holy does this:
So we'll give Trump, who is supposedly a Putin puppet, 80 billion more simoleans to spend on military affairs
follow from that!
For Christ's sake, I'm used to irrationality, but this is descending to the level of gibberish!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
lol; i never said it made sense!
none of this makes logical sense, as they'll be handing Trumpster the presidency again... they try to impeach him for real. #Victimhood! "snatching defeat out of the jaws of..."
as a side note, i was just checking in with the election stalemate in israel, and saw a headline noting that 'american jews support trump's impeachment'.
bernhard at MoA says that zelenzkiy didn't know until a month after the phone call that DT was withholding those millions of military aid.
I know, I know, I just don't expect
them to gibber like complete lunatics.
I don't know why, given the name of my OT
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
President Trump asked for something,
Biden actually got something.
White House Emails Democrats its Ukraine Talking Points
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-trump-ukraine-email-democrats...
Links to legible images of the email, two pages:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUwci6WkAMmCcS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFUwcjAW4AEqR3r.jpg
Smooth. That's professionals in action.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone