Jeffrey Epstein arrested...finally

This is long overdue, but maybe the women who were sexually abused by Epstein and many men and women will finally see some justice. Epstein was arrested in 2006 and after making a plea deal with federal prosecutors he was sentenced to 18 months in a sweetheart deal and only served 13 months. He was also allowed to leave prison 6 days a week to go to work. How did he manage such a deal? He gave up two Bear Stearns executives.

Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

The girls who were abused by Jeffrey Epstein and the cops who championed their cause remain angry over what they regard as a gross injustice, while Epstein's employees and those who engineered his non-prosecution agreement have prospered. By
More than a decade after receiving one of the most lenient sentences for a serial sex offender in U.S history, multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested outside of New York, sources confirmed to the Miami Herald Saturday night.

Epstein was arrested at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, according to one of the sources. Flight records show he had just flown to Teterboro from Paris on Saturday.

Around 5:30 p.m. Saturday, about a dozen federal agents broke down the door to Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse to execute search warrants, witnesses and sources said.

“We heard the loud banging and we walked over and saw all these FBI agents just pounding down the door,” a witness told the Herald.

Epstein, 66, is expected to be arraigned in federal court in New York on Monday on charges that he molested dozens of underage girls in New York and in Florida, the sources said. His arrest, first reported by the Daily Beast, comes nearly two weeks after the Justice Department announced that it would not throw out his 2008 non-prosecution agreement, even though a federal judge ruled it was illegal.

Rumors had been circulating for months that Epstein was under investigation on sex charges in the Southern District of New York. It’s not clear what instances those investigations involved, and the Herald had not been able to confirm the status of the New York probe.

Sources said he was arrested by the FBI pursuant to a sealed indictment that will be unsealed on Monday. He is in custody in New York and a bail hearing is set for Monday.

That bail hearing will be critical because if they grant him bail, he has enough money that he will disappear and they will never get him,’’ a source in New York told the Herald.

Last November, the Miami Herald published a series of stories, titled Perversion of Justice, that described the ways in which the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Alexander Acosta, worked in conjunction with Epstein’s lawyers to engineer the non-prosecution agreement — and keep it secret from Epstein’s victims, so they could not object. Acosta is now President Donald Trump’s secretary of labor.

Sources told the Herald that the indictment includes new victims and witnesses who spoke to authorities in New York over the past several months.

A Miami Herald investigation into Palm Beach hedge fund manager Jeffrey Epstein's sexual pyramid scheme targeting underage girls– and why he's a free man today.

I read the Miami Herald story when it came out and was appalled by the deal that the federal lawyers made with Epstein's attorneys. It looked like his attorneys were in charge of the deal not the federal prosecutors. If the rumors were true and people like Bill and Hillary Clinton were involved with him then I can understand why he got such a sweet deal. The Miami Herald wrote that Bill would ditch his secret service and fly to Epstein's island where there would be sex parties. Prince Andrew was said to have been involved with Epstein as well as Donald Trump and other people in government and lots of other well known people.

From the link to the article about the Bear Stearns executives:

Emails also show then-Miami US Attorney Alexander Acosta — who is now President Trump’s secretary of labor — and the lead prosecutor in the case agreeing to help Epstein’s high-powered defense lawyers try to contain the scandal sparked by his 2006 arrest in Palm Beach, according to the Herald.

“On an ‘avoid the press’ note…I can file the charge in district court in Miami which will hopefully cut the press coverage significantly. Do you want to check that out?” Assistant US Attorney Marie Villafana wrote in September 2007 to defense lawyer Jay Lefkowitz, a former colleague of Acosta’s at the Kirkland & Ellis law firm.

Once the pact was struck, Epstein — who’s hosted former President Bill Clinton, British Prince Andrew and others at his own private Caribbean Island — pleaded guilty to two felony prostitution charges in state court, even though the feds identified 36 underage girls who accused Epstein, then a powerful pal of Clinton and Prince Andrew, of sexually abusing them in his Palm Beach mansion between 2001 and 2005, the Herald said.

Although he said he couldn’t “discuss the details of the case,” Acosta said the decision not to file federal charges “was a broadly held decision” in his office.

“As part of any plea, it is not unusual to have an indictment that says these are all the places we can go, yet at the end of the day, based on the evidence, professionals within a prosecutor’s office decide that a plea that guarantees that someone goes to jail, that guarantees that someone register [as a sex offender] generally, and that guarantees other outcomes is a good thing,” he said.

Why did the US attorney go out of her way to keep the press from finding out about the plea deal? Could it have been because she was protecting someone important? I believe that was exactly why she did that.

Statutory rape usually comes with years long sentences not months long with the stipulation that people are free to leave prison so they could go to work or anywhere else. One Sunday a cop saw Epstein outside the prison and asked him where he was going. "Just for a walk."

Let's hope that the other people who were involved with this horrible saga are also brought to justice. This includes the woman who targeted the girls and everyone else who went to Epstein's parties no matter who they are.

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I don't know if any of the people there knew why the guy was holding up that picture, but if they did and still reacted like that then I'm lost for words.

Twitter is abuzz with this news, but lots of people are using it to attack Trump instead of focusing on Epstein. Will the Sunday talk shows cover this? Bets?

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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg is focusing on Epsteins's ties with Trump, and downplaying his long-term connection with Bill Clinton. The mentions of Clinton I'm seeing refer to "philanthropic" activities with Epstein, not to visits to Epstein's island.

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@Centaurea here, months ago, that talked about how the Russia gate stuff might lead to more information about Epstein and the Clintons.

Alan Dershowitz, who has also been implicated in the Epstein stuff, has adamantly stated that he does not agree with HRC being charged with her illegal activities, even though he thinks that the Russia stuff was an attempt to overthrow Trump. IMO, the only reason for his objection, given his views, must be to avoid exposure for his activities with Epstein.

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@dfarrah

"Dershowitz is Dershowitzing himself over Epstein's arrest."

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@leveymg

I'm getting verklempt.

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@Centaurea Its what the MSM does.

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@Centaurea @Centaurea

Don't worry, according to Christine Pelosi, plenty of Democratic 'faves' will be going down too.

Not sure why Pelosi calls people she knows to be pedophiles 'faves', nor how she can advocate for speaking out about abuse with a straight face while at the same time implicitly admitting she herself knew all along about her 'faves' and never said anything.

No clearer proof that Dem Illuminati are not nearly as bright as they think they are.

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Not sure why Pelosi calls people she knows to be pedophiles 'faves', nor how she can advocate for speaking out about abuse with a straight face while at the same time implicitly admitting she herself knew all along about her 'faves' and never said anything.

She's talking about the Democratic Party's "faves" here; and yes, it's my (and Pelosi's) understanding that there are several such who may well be indicted in this, including Slick Willy himself.

But Pelosi almost certainly doesn't know "all about her 'faves' "; she merely has the same suspicions, on the same grounds, as the rest of us do.

It's that pesky requirement for direct evidence coming back to haunt us all again!

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@thanatokephaloides

Pelosi almost certainly doesn't know "all about her 'faves'"

What I said was:

she herself knew all along about her 'faves'

Funny how one selectively edited word can change the whole meaning of an (alleged) quote.

Don'tcha think?

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@Not Henry Kissinger Pelosi said "quite likely."

"It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts."

I don't see implicit anything there but a statement about probability and a recognition that some dem faves (maybe she is referring to Clinton) could be implicated.

Do you know something more about Pelosi than what the quote presents?

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I don't see implicit anything there but a statement about probability and a recognition that some dem faves (maybe she is referring to Clinton) could be implicated.

And where might that 'recognition' that some of her faves will 'quite likely' be implicated in a pedophilia trafficking ring have come from?

The Epstein indictments are still under seal remember.

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@FuturePassed and the usual MSM sources most of us read as well as, quite likely, the type of gossip she would have heard being in the well-connected position she's in as the daughter etc. In other words, no personal knowledge, just hearsay.

As to Dem faves, call me naive but I find it very unlikely politically conscious and savvy BC was involved in something so notorious and clearly illegal that would have involved numerous witnesses and people who would have thereby had the goods on him. Especially after going through a year of having his sex life investigated during Monica. Ditto for HRC in coverup mode and for savvy atty Alan Dershowitz. Jeffrey Epstein himself is another matter.

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@FuturePassed and the usual MSM sources most of us read as well as, quite likely, the type of gossip she would have heard being in the well-connected position she's in as the daughter etc. In other words, no personal knowledge, just hearsay.

So members of the Dem party leadership participating in and/or running an underage sex trafficking ring was all just what - idle chit chat among the political glitterati? Nothing to take any real notice of, of course. Certainly nothing to make a fuss over.

Seriously, it's comments like yours and Pelosi Jr.'s that make me think of the Bridge of Death scene in Chernobyl.

Like those clueless people on the bridge, the Dems in charge have absolutely no idea of the magnitude of danger they are facing.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

Great scene to choose...

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@Not Henry Kissinger leadership involved in sex trafficking" -- has this been proven? Or is this based on mere allegations in the press? Maybe I've missed something.

As I noted above, Jeffrey Epstein himself is another matter.

But as for the rest, and the Dem "faves", let's not rush to convict before anyone has had their day in court. Innocent until proven guilty etc should be the rule, not rule by media allegation and twitter twits.

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Or is this based on mere allegations in the press?

Pelosi Jr. is the one who says Dem faves are most likely implicated. Hence the Twitter quote.

And as you yourself point out, she would be in a position to know.

But no matter: I'm sure we'll hear all about a lot of very admissible evidence tomorrow.

In the meantime, enjoy your temporary period of denial.

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@Not Henry Kissinger there was a story here re "Dem faves" linked in various ways to JE prior to Christine Pelosi's tweet. I also indicated she was well-positioned as daughter of Nancy, certainly to receive gossip and hearsay, but it may be more than that, or none of that if she is merely referencing said prior press accounts of linkage. We don't know.

I posted to remind about not rushing to judgment to convict people in the COPO based on unchallenged press reports and social media accusations, specifically in reference to the Dem faves or Dem non-faves (e.g., Dershowitz, depending on your pov) who have been publicly mentioned as being somehow connected to JE. I thought this was clear, the notion of people being entitled in a democracy to a fair shake, their day in court if necessary. I am not a big fan of convicting people based on mainstream media allegations or insinuations, or social media gossip. Basic notions of justice in a democracy -- and I would have thought it unnecessary to have to defend this principle here.

Last post on this thread. Enjoy your day.

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@Not Henry Kissinger unsubstantiated rumors, yes, certainly as to the non-JE names or Dem "faves". Someone perhaps told C Pelosi something blah blah blah.

Most of that stuff, hearsay, is properly not admissible in court.

And I'm not quite prepared to convict people, even in the court of public opinion, based on such flimsy non-evidence.

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@wokkamile

he was having sex with under aged girls. Well known... and as people have said here more than once Bill and Hillary flew with him to his private island and went to the many parties he had at his homes.

As to Dem faves, call me naive but I find it very unlikely politically conscious and savvy BC was involved in something so notorious and clearly illegal that would have involved numerous witnesses and people who would have thereby had the goods on him.

Whether either of the Clintons were involved with the pedophila or not they were aware of it and yet said nothing to the authorities. And as I stated in one of my comments here when Anthony Weiner was arrested the NY FBI found most if not all of Hillary's emails on Weiner's laptop and said that there were lots of pictures on it that involved sexual abuse of children. They wanted to go public with their information, but were threatened into silence by Obama's attorney general Loretta Lynch.

There are many very important and powerful people said to have been involved with Epstein over the years he was doing that and so far no one has come forward to the authorities. Read the Miami Herald articles and see how this sordid ordeal was covered up by the US attorney general during Bush's tenure.

Ditto for HRC in coverup mode and for savvy atty Alan Dershowitz.

Ahem...Dershowitz was Epstein's lawyer in 2006 when he got his seeet plea deal of 18 months for statutory rape that was pleaded down to prostitution. BTW. When Hillary was just a young lawyer she defended a guy who raped a 13 year old girl and did some shady things with the evidence and got him off which she then laughed about.
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@wokkamile How charmingly willfully naive.

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@FuturePassed Wasn't this mentioned there?

I thought it had been common knowledge for some years (about Clinton and the Lolita express)

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@dfarrah  
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clinton+epstein+flight+logs

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@Not Henry Kissinger Cernovich wins court battle to unseal Epstein records

Today the Second Circuit Court of Appeals strongly suggested it would order the Epstein records unsealed after hearing arguments from First Amendment lawyer Marc Randazza.

The Court signaled its intent to unseal the records with what’s known as a “show cause” order. A show cause order is a legal term of art that roughy translates to, “You had better give us an excellent reason to change our mind.”

The Court’s full order is available here, and reads:

Our precedent clearly establishes that “documents submitted to a court for its consideration in a summary judgment are – as a matter of law – judicial documents to which a strong presumption of access attaches, under both the common law and First Amendment. Accordingly, it is hereby ORDERED that the parties show good cause why the Court should not unseal the summary judgment motion, including any materials filed in connection with this motion, and the District Court’s summary judgment decision.

The mountain of crap is ready to slide down the proverbial slippery slope--and this won't be good for Bubba and lots of politicos of various colors.

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@Centaurea Jeffrey Epstein, Robert Maxwell, and company. Makes bed wetting rumors in Moscow seem amateur by comparison.

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@Centaurea which mentions that Epstein has hung out with both Trump and Clinton but limits Clinton's Epstein association to philanthropic work on AIDS, etc. There's been a rumor floating around the internet that Comey's daughter is going to be the prosecutor, which led one person to speculate that what's coming might serve as phase II of Russiagate, i.e., a vehicle for getting rid of Trump before 2020. IOW, a setup. If so, I'm dreading it. This nonstop political intrigue is making me nostalgic for old-fashioned scandals of the simple moral turpitude variety.

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@Centaurea How can anyone criticize Jeffrey Epstein for his use of underage girls? After all, he's given many of them employment which, because they were underage, the girls (and boys) would otherwise be unable to be hired elsewhere? Folks, this is kind-hearted Capitalism at its best--giving those who are underprivileged a chance for gainful employment. So, if you come across children wandering seemingly lost on the street, offer them information about employment possibilities on Little Saint James Island. I know Jeff will be happy you did.

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The Gator was being snarky and sarcastic to the max.

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@snoopydawg Is it just me or does it look to anyone else like he went from orange to red? Not red from embarrassment but from anger.
Was that rally recent?

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@Jen

after the news broke about Epstein. Trump kept saying get him out of here and he was pissed. Then he made fun of the guy and asked if he was really a girl because of his long hair.

Can you see from his facial expression how angry he was? If not, he most definitely was.

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Then he made fun of the guy and asked if he was really a girl because of his long hair

How retro! Which decade are we in again? Lol

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Complete with red-baiting and Klansmen

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@snoopydawg to me at all.

It's not the first time Trump has had security remove people.

At this time, do you really think Trump isn't used to protesters at his rallies and bad publicity 24 hours a day on almost every outlet that exists?

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@dfarrah

Listen to his voice and see the look in his eyes.

I know that he kicks people out of his rallies all the time, but he kicked out the guy that was holding a picture of him and Epstein in this one.

At this time, do you really think Trump isn't used to protesters at his rallies and bad publicity 24 hours a day on almost every outlet that exists?

I'm sure he is, but I've never commented on it before and the reason I did here is because it was in relationship to Epstein's arrest.

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@snoopydawg In the words of Dan Bongino recently: "don't poke the bear". The bear referenced is El Trumpo, not Vlad. Trump is infuriated that the Dems are trying to pin Epstein's sexual perversions on himself. I don't think Drumpf played in the same sandbox as Epstein and Bubba. Watch the fire.

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@snoopydawg

Snoop, I'm pretty sure that rally was over a year ago.

Yes, I just checked and it was. Not last night. Here's a story about it from Real Clear Politics ... which I only picked because it was the first hit in a long list from a search.

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The video is not a current one. I looked on YouTube to see when it was posted and just saw that the comments were recent.

Thanks for the correction.

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@Jen
I was thinking about posting that you can calculate Trump's level of anger by examining the degree he coloring changes from orange to red. Maybe one of the more artistic among us could develop a color scale.

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According to American justice, only poor people and suckers get punished. The rest get a free pass and a bonus.

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Congress is studying a bipartisan bill to crack down on Defense Department computers after a watchdog group found the Pentagon’s network ranked among the top US ISPs for sharing child porn.

Bipartisan bill aims to tackle rampant child porn sharing on Pentagon computers

Last year, an investigation by the National Criminal Justice Training Program found DOD computers were among the top networks nationwide for peer-to-peer sharing of pornographic images of minors. DOD's network ranked 19th out of 2,891 computer networks studied.

To prevent such widespread abuse going forward, the "End National Defense Network Abuse Act" would "crack down on this activity by upgrading the training and technical capacity of military criminal investigative organizations to confront the misuse of DoD computers, facilities, and equipment," according to a press release.

"The notion that the Department of Defense's network and Pentagon-issued computers may be used to view, create, or circulate such horrifying images is a shameful disgrace, and one we must fight head on," said Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D–Va.), who co-sponsored the bill with Rep. Mark Meadows (R–N.C.).

Congress has known for at least a decade that child porn trading on Defense Department computers was a problem. Immigration and Customs Enforcement identified 5,200 people “subscribed to websites that were known to contain child pornography” during 2008’s Project Flicker investigation, including hundreds of individuals “affiliated with” the Defense Department, some of whom even used their government email addresses and military post boxes to register on the offending websites.

While a handful of the offenders caught in Project Flicker received jail sentences, thousands more – up to 80 percent of those identified in the ICE report – did not, as “combating child pornography was not one of DCIS’ investigative priorities,” Spanberger and Meadows lament.

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While the whole thing is disgusting and I’m glad it’s being investigated, rankings like that are really just a proxy for the size of the network. Count per user would make more sense. Do we have that?

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@Pluto's Republic

"The notion that the Department of Defense's network and Pentagon-issued computers may be used to view, create, or circulate such horrifying images is a shameful disgrace, and one we must fight head on," said Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D–Va.), who co-sponsored the bill with Rep. Mark Meadows (R–N.C.).

Spanberger is ex-military intelligence, a lefty, while Meadows is Freedom Caucus, a righty. Sexual perversion is a non-partisan sin intolerable to the vast majority of Americans. This perversity, writ large by Spacey and Bubba etc. will be part of the downfall of the Democrat portion of the Deep State--and Rinos along with them.

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from one of the places he would bring those young girls. I hope they hang him.

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Women are human beings, not prey.
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except in New Hampshire, and then only if lethal injection is contraindicated.

This is a rare case where "civil asset forfeiture" would actually make sense - if he doesn't have the moolah or the private island or the private jet, what has he got? (Besides a bad rep as a dirty stinking pervert.)

But of course the Elite protect and coddle their own - unless the culprit victimizes them, then all bets are off.

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really fit with his other activities. He seems pretty hard assed. Hmmmmm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta

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@dfarrah From the Wikipedia profile of A.A.:

While leading the Civil Rights division, Acosta allowed his predecessor, Bradley Schlozman, to continue to make decisions on hiring.[25] A report by the Inspector General and the Office of Professional Responsibility later found that Schlozman illegally gave preferential treatment to conservatives and made false statements to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Those findings were relayed to the office of the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia,[17] but Schlozman was not prosecuted.[25] While it put the primary responsibility on Schlozman, the report also concluded that Acosta "did not sufficiently supervise Schlozman" and that "in light of indications [he and Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Sheldon Bradshaw] had about Schlozman's conduct and judgment, they failed to ensure that Schlozman's hiring and personnel decisions were based on proper considerations."

If this doesn't support the concept that Acosta believes in two-tiered justice, then what will support it?

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This includes the woman who targeted the girls . . .

I've watched YouTube videos of footage (satellite?) of the supposed island and read the Miami Herald series. Knowing what little I do know about abuse victims and methodical tactics used in order to control them, I just wonder if "the woman", who I think was actually a minor when she first crossed paths with the creeper, wasn't threatened, even indirectly, with a one-way ticket to the island, and how many examples of others had to be used in order to gain her compliance.

Just to be clear, I'm referring to the young girl, supposedly a minor at the time, who is pictured with Slick Willie on Epstein's plane. She was blond. She's now a mother and maybe still a wife living in another country. If there is another woman referred to in the quote, then I've got the wrong one.

Also, I wonder how the kos koolaid kids are defending these people. Anyone who believed any of it was a tinfoil hat wearing rethug when it came to anything bad about their D gods. Probably crickets or "fake news" something something Russia! Snoop, did you put on a hazmat suit and go do a search? Lol

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she is said to have been the women who would entice the young girls to the parties with words that were far from what she was actually hiring them for.

On Wednesday, a federal appeals court in New York ordered the unsealing of up to 2,000 pages of documents that are expected to show evidence relating to whether Epstein and his partner, Ghislaine Maxwell, were recruiting underage girls and young women as part of an international sex trafficking operation. Maxwell, 57, has never been charged.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232374872.html#sto...

This was an international sex trafficking operation and I don't understand why other countries were not going after Epstein and people from their country. But then there are the rumors of so many high up government officials from lots of countries involved in sex trafficking and it being run by powerful people. This is one reason I read so many of the Q stories. They covered the many people that were said to have been involved in this. Hopefully gulfgal will weigh in since she too followed this and has more information than I do.

Perversion of Justice I highly recommend reading this because it shows how Epstein was able to get off the first time.

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@snoopydawg
I am thinking of the much younger woman. She too supposedly recruited girls to at least go to his house and give massages, from what I've read/seen videos about.

Thanks for clarifying that "his partner" is the one you were referring to.

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@snoopydawg

This was an international sex trafficking operation and I don't understand why other countries were not going after Epstein and people from their country.

Why? The same reasons that Epstein got a wrist slap in the U.S.--the high and mighty are implicated in the UK and many other nations. That's why.

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@Deja

to see how they are covering it. Most of the comments are linking Epstein to Trump. However, a few did bring up Clinton, but of course he was never into under aged girls or during that time he was impotent because he had heart troubles and his medication made him so.....

I'm upset that so many are just trying to tie this to Trump and Acosta because it is so much bigger and deeper than that. It's that people turned a blind eye to this because of who Epstein was, is and his ties to people of influence and money.

Two Americas need to become one.

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@snoopydawg so many people want to pretend Trump and his policies are an aberration and won’t hear otherwise. I hoped a Trump presidency would maybe make people look at what’s been going on but of course they’ve made it into “look at what Trump is doing” rather than “look at how we got here.”

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Trump is not an aboration of the way things are done in this country. He just took the mask off our callous and cruel policies.

Here's a good article on the debate the media is having over this:

Friend of the Clintons or Trump’s pal? Media war erupts after Epstein’s arrest

Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein’s arrest on fresh sex trafficking charges has ignited a media war, with outlets on each side of the spectrum rushing to tie their political opponents to the notorious pedophile.

A rich and connected man, Epstein rubbed shoulders with presidents, business moguls, Hollywood stars, and even British royalty. In the wake of his arrest, partisan media outlets jumped at the chance to tie their opponents to the disgraced billionaire.

Left-leaning Newsweek called Epstein a “longtime friend” of President Donald Trump, while Raw Story called him a “Trump pal.”The Independent described him as a “former friend of Trump,” while the Huffington Post highlighted a 2002 quote by Trump calling Epstein a “terrific guy” who likes his women “on the younger side.”

After news broke on Saturday, the right had accusations of their own. In a mirror image of the left’s coverage, PJ Media called Epstein “Bill Clinton’s billionaire friend.” Fox News also described him as “friends” with Bill Clinton, while the Gateway Pundit went a step further, claiming without evidence that Epstein flew Clinton to “Orgy Island,” a private island off the coast of Puerto Rico where the billionaire allegedly carried out much of his abuse.

A host of conservative commentators on Twitter also shouted the connection.

People have know for years that Bill ditched his secret service detail many times and hopped on Epstein's plane to go to his island. The Miami article even discussed that, but for the media this is just a game to put the blame on their political opponents while not talking about the many lives that this ruined.

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@snoopydawg  
I’d always read that there was undeniable documentary evidence in the form of flight logs.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=clinton+epstein+flight+logs

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Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.

It's being spun on ToP that Bill only flew on Epstein's plane for his foundation and not to his island...riiight.

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@snoopydawg I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but given the fact that the Kos Kidz are willing to plug their ears and scream "La-la-la" over this, what does their alternative fantasy say to them about Bubba's judgment? If, in fact, he'd only been flying on Pervert's plane for philandering philanthropic work, why would he risk the optics?

(Then again, he's never been one to care; see: tarmac meetings).

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I am curious if the victims are from before or after his conviction.
He sure is free to travel...

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Epstein will be charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors—which could put him away for a maximum of 45 years. The case is being handled by the Public Corruption Unit of the Southern District of New York, with assistance from the district's human-trafficking officials and the FBI.

Several of the billionaire's employees and associates allegedly recruited the girls for Epstein's abuse, and some victims eventually became recruiters themselves, according to law enforcement.

“The justice system doesn’t seem to respond to the victims in this case. It seems to favor those who have the most money and power and influence.”

Your recollection of other girls caught up in this Deja were right. The DB article has lots more information than the others here including interviews by some of the women who had been involved in this when they were younger.

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@snoopydawg in NY that is going after Trump?

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because someone on ToP mentioned it. But it's also the same FBI department that told Comey that they found lots of Hillary's emails on Weiner's laptop and that they made many of them sick. There were said to be lots of emails pertaining to child sex on it. Comey didn't bother to investigate that and the reason he wrote congress that letter about them was because the NYC FBI wanted to go public with them. I think that they were threatened into silence by Lynch. Something about if they did then the cop that choked Garner would be prosecuted for it.

Disgusting! This is why I think it's more probable that Bill is going to be tied to Epstein over Trump. But there are lots of rumors involving him too. Ugh. I need a bath.

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@snoopydawg I didn't know those details.

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Ken Starr was one of Jeffrey Epstein's defense attorneys during his first plea deal back in 2008. I remember Starr was such a celebrity with the Religious Right when he was investigating Bill Clinton in the 1990's. I wonder if the Religious Right know that Starr was instrumental in getting a rather sweet deal for Epstein.

Still, there are plenty who will wonder how the self-proclaimed Boy Scout managed to go to bat to get a sex fiend off. “Many lawyers would say that they pass no moral judgment on their clients, but I’m not sure that Kenneth Starr can plausibly offer that excuse,” said Joe Conason, editor in Chief of the National Memo, who co-wrote the book The Hunting of the President. “As for why Starr would represent Jeffrey Epstein, you will have to ask him—certainly not because he thought it would improve his reputation. Then again, perhaps he assumed nobody would find out.”

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I wonder if the Religious Right know that Starr was instrumental in getting a rather sweet deal for Epstein.

Then again, perhaps he assumed nobody would find out.”

It's said that every person is entitled to a lawyer, but I'm wondering where one draws the line to who they represent? On the cusp? Little help here please?

Starr knew the details about what Epstein was being charged with. Dozens of under aged girls being forced into sexual slavery? Too harsh? Rape. Trafficking...

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@snoopydawg The only rapist, child or otherwise, I have flat turned down was a man I represented in a divorce, and I won custody for him of his beautiful 14 year old daughter. Well, Dad of the Year raped her. By the time I visited him in jail, he had made a full confession, and also told me details. I told him I thought he needed an attorney who had some distance from the victim. He got a court appointed case.
A couple of years later, I represented his brother, and he adopted the girl.
Otherwise, I have managed to represent about a dozen. Only 1 serial rapist. He was an 11 year old. That was the last juvenile case I would take as a courtesy to the Court. They would call me in emergency hearings, appoint me for the duration of the case, and I told the Court to take me off the fucking list. The child made a special request to be allowed to say good bye to his dog before he was taken into the custody of Child Protective Services. Those were my exact words. The little boy got to say good bye to his doggie.
I would take a case involving stuff like this, and do due diligence, but if I did, he would be right out in the open, no deals cut to keep important names out of it. If my client goes to jail, so does everybody else.

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@on the cusp If more attorneys were as principled as you, perhap[s then the profession would not be considered so odious to many many people.

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@karl pearson the Religious Right have been exposed for the rank hypocrites that they are, so it's entirely likely they won't care or will dismiss the allegations that might link JE with DT. And yes, Starr was well known in the 90s, that 4-5 year fishing expedition into everything Bill Clinton did since high school. Well known by Dems as being the insufferably smug Cotton Mather of modern times.

As to legal representation, it's up to each defense lawyer what line they draw, but generally it's a good thing that lawyers are encouraged by their rules of ethics to represent even the most damned accused, else it would be justice by media allegation and twitter trial.

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(hopefully) mean that FSC won't try to parachute in after Biden totally implodes, or, for that matter, decide to run straight out.

From what I've read, there's way too much damaging info out there--like the flight logs--that link her philandering husband to this Dude. And, the Island.

I've speculated, in the past, that WJC's womanizing (in the Era of #MeToo) would probably discourage her from running again in 2020. Even without the possibility of being drug into this awful scandal.

At least, I hope it'll be a deterrent.

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Yeah if Bill is tied to Epstein then there's no chance she can plop down into the election.

I've speculated, in the past, that WJC's womanizing (in the Era of #MeToo) would probably discourage her from running again in 2020.

Didn't stop her in 2016 and it's not stopping people from supporting ByeDone. Younger people won't vote for Biden because of his wandering hands and the ones who are just say, "but Trump."

Remember when being divorced was frowned upon in politics and especially at the presidential level? Boy those days are long gone aren't they?

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@snoopydawg of Epstein and Clinton before HRC even ran?

I don't think it would matter to HRC anyway, if she really wanted to run again.

Just like it doesn't matter to Kamala.

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and his ties to both Clintons. Both of them flew on his plane to his private island and a few times Huma Abedin went with Hillary to it. Epstein is well connected to lots of powerful and well known people in DC, NYC and other places.

But other outlets are saying that Trump praised Ep for his taste in underage girls.

He did say that about Epstein and he was accused of raping a 13 year old girl. She was one of the accusers before he was elected. I've also read that he kicked Epstein out of Maralogo when he saw what he was doing to an under aged girl. Lots of stories being flung around, but the ones about the Clintons are true as far as I know as is Trump saying that about Epstein. This was known before the election. But yes if you see a felony committed you are supposed to report it in many states. This is why people were so upset about Epstein's plea deal. Read the Miami Herald article I've linked to in the body of the essay. Read the other links too if you want to know what exactly happened.

I'm waiting to see what happens during the trial. Unless Epstein gets bail.

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@snoopydawg

Remember when being divorced was frowned upon in politics and especially at the presidential level? Boy those days are long gone aren't they?

Supposedly the staunch and upright Republican women voters were disturbed about Nelson Rockefeller's divorce and remarriage to "Happy" Rockefeller. Therefore, he got the boot and the Republicans turned to Goldwater in 1964 and Nixon in 1968. After that, the liberal wing of the Republican party was dead. Interestingly, these same women voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980, who was a divorcee. If the taboo of divorce had not existed in the 1960's, I believe Rockefeller would have been elected and we wouldn't have the right wing nut jobs we have today.

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@snoopydawg Your comment assumes that HRC will at long last that there is an element of shame attached to her malevolent past. She is a psychopath. She is NEVER wrong. She never accepts blame. She is perfect! n Just ask her.

Now, more than ever, HRC will enter the race. Getting elected is her only chance to avoid Gitmo. She knows this.

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@ what seeing what you desire to see.

I haven't seen Trump in every single situation. But I did see him genuinely angry once at some presser (I believe in the oval office), and some chief of staff was coughing and sneezing around him. Trump was very sharp in tone, told the guy rudely to get out of there several times, and had furrowed eye brows, and kept his back to the guy. The newscaster said that Trump is a germaphobe.

Trump looked indifferent at the rally; but people can read anything into anything.

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Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago estate “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club,” according to court documents filed by Bradley Edwards, the lawyer who has represented several Epstein accusers. That claim has not been confirmed by Trump or Mar-a-Lago.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-pelosi-jeffrey-epstein-democr...

But other outlets are saying that Trump praised Ep for his taste in underage girls.

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@dfarrah But here, in the state of Texas, it is a felony to fail to report a felonious act.
The duty of a citizen to come forward to report a crime is codified in the Criminal Code.
In Texas, such a failure to report, unless there is a death threat involved, makes you, a non-reporter, a party/accessory to the crime. It subjects you to the same criminal prosecution as the perp.
Banning is good for Trump's business.
Turning a blind eye to crime makes Trump a ...fill in the blank.

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@on the cusp you concluded that Trump turned a blind eye?

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@dfarrah Absolutely.

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@on the cusp quotation, or are you concluding that because you know Trump never reported?

If you know Trump had knowledge and never reported, where is this info (you can just direct me to a source - it is a pain to link)...

thx

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when he saw him having sex with an under age girl. He didn't report him to the police. But Trump is not the only person who didn't do that.
Try Google or DuckDuckGo because this is well known.

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@snoopydawg saw him in the act?

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@snoopydawg Glanced through about 6 links. Did not find anything that states that Trump saw an assault. (I'm not saying it is not there, I just didn't see it from the links available)

I did see something about a wealthy person's daughter who told her father about Epstein.

I also did some googling and can't find anything that states that Trump witnessed an assault. Again, I'm not saying it isn't there, I'm just not finding it.

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@dfarrah that kind of thing that would keep you off any of my jury panels.
I would strike you. You cannot be fair.

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@on the cusp question to get more information. I saw no info above that states that Trump did not report; all I saw were inferences and assumptions. Believe it or not, I like to find factual information. Just because people on this site say something does not make it correct. I've seen enough bs and cherry picking from both sides not to be skeptical.

And you get all huffy.

I have not read anything about Trump not reporting the incident, and I merely asked for info.

So, who reported the incident?

SD above says that Trump saw the incident. Pardon my skepticism on that one. I'll check around for that info, too.

Frankly, I would ban probably 90% of the population from juries since people are so biased, and that includes people on this site. Too many people judge based on their fee fees.

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sexual activities. I'm betting that everyone who were close friends with him or went to his many parties knew what he was doing. Trump admitted that he knew Epstein liked very young girls and I can't imagine that others didn't know.

Whether Trump caught him in the act or just saw him harassing a young girl the fact is he didn't alert the authorities about what he knew about him. Nor did anyone else who knew about him. As I said somewhere on this thread Epstein had a bed on his plane where there would be orgies including young girls. This was well known.

Azazello posted a video in tonight's EBs that you might find interesting.

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@on the cusp that Trump either likes Epstein enough to want to hold onto the friendship or, more likely, appreciates Epstein's power -- which seems to be the power conferred by the possession of blackmail-able material. Which boils down to affection and/or fear. This is probably how Epstein gets away with so much.

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This was before he became president I think. I'm ignoring people who are making this all about Trump . Hopefully there are a lot of people sweating tonight and tomorrow when the indictment is read.

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@snoopydawg quote.

What is your intent here? To smear Trump just because he made a favorable comment? Or just to indifferently provide a quote?

Actually, I am more interested in finding out if Trump observed Ep in action like you said. You haven't responded with anything; I'll keep poking around.

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Never mind...

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@snoopydawg a while now on Google, and I see nothing that says Trump observed an assault by Ep at Trump's hotel in Florida.

But supposedly, Trump did say this: "During the 2016 election Trump alleged Bill Clinton’s might have a strong connection to Epstein, Clinton is reported to have traveled on Epstein’s plane dozens of times. Referring to Clinton, Trump stated, “Nice guy — uh, got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island, with Jeffrey Epstein. A lot of problems.”"

In 2016.

There are plenty of articles linking Trump to Ep.

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that would go something like this:
"Jeff, my man, can't do that here. You got that island. I have been there. Do that young girl thing there or I get mixed up with the cops, ya know? Banned. No, no cops involved. Let's keep it civil, my man.
My pal Bill Clinton and I love, love your island!
See ya soon. We will all have a blast!

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@on the cusp For all my dislike of the Orange Man, he never went to Orgy Island on the Lolita Express, which of course doesn't rule out other avenues of arrival. But do you have any proof the El Trumpo visited Epstein's island "paradise"? HRC went to Orgy Island at least 6 times on the Lolita Express--maybe she likes young girls too.

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@Alligator Ed was just a joke.

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I am convinced that a group of neocon, neoliberal, globalist elites are dead set on removing anyone whom they see as an obstacle to the advancement of their totalitarian global agenda, and so far it is quite evident that they perceive Trump, Tulsi, Julian Assange and (pretty much) Bernie, as such obstacles. They choose to do their dirty work through perception management via innuendo, lies, and smears, and for this I find them entirely contemptible. I hope some day they'll come out and tell us precisely what their vision is, what they're actually trying to achieve. I wish they could be more forthright and honest.

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@laurel

I am convinced that a group of neocon, neoliberal, globalist elites are dead set on removing anyone whom they see as an obstacle to the advancement of their totalitarian global agenda, and so far it is quite evident that they perceive Trump, Tulsi, Julian Assange and (pretty much) Bernie, as such obstacles.

I have been wondering why was Epstein finally arrested for sex trafficking. Was it because the trial records were unsealed recently by the judge or is there and alternative motive?

During the first time he was being charged he made a plea deal if he gave up the two Bear Stearns executives, but it looks like the rest of the people involved with him got immunity. If they got immunity then is it still in effect? And if so, then I am back to my first question. Why NOW?

In an interesting twist, the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan has put its public corruption unit in charge of the Epstein case - not, as might be expected, its human-trafficking team (although the latter unit is being consulted reportedly). It's likely, at least in part, that the case is being handled by corruption prosecutors because of a controversial and lenient plea deal struck between Epstein and federal law enforcement officials in Florida back in 2008. The financier was being investigated at the time for having sex with underage girls - many of them orphans or runaways - at his Palm Beach mansion.

The Justice Department said in February that it planned to investigate "allegations that Department attorneys may have committed professional misconduct in the manner in which the Epstein criminal matter was resolved" in Florida. Later that month, a federal judge ruled that the same group of attorneys broke the law by not telling Epstein's victims that the plea deal existed. The Miami-based prosecutors had prepared a 53-page federal indictment against Epstein, but his deal allowed him to plead guilty only to a state charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution. He served 13 months in a Palm Beach prison that allowed him to leave six days a week to work. The deal also granted immunity to any of Epstein's potential co-conspirators, who otherwise might have been swept up in his abuses.

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I can think of three reasons:

* Epstein himself has become a problem and they need to smack him down. I haven't seen anything that would indicate this.

* Someone who could be implicated in Epstein's crimes has become a problem and is in need of a smack down.

* Evidence has surfaced as part of some other investigation (possibly of associates) that mean prosecutors think they can now get a conviction. This theory has the advantage of not involving a prosecutorial conspiracy.

Does anyone have any other ideas?

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The idea that I'm going to have to cruise around and remind people about Bill Jeff's Lolita Express lifetime pass is not sitting well with me. I'm not into that, but when I see specious shit on the Social Media, I can't quite let it go - getting better, but not quite there yet.

Another motive could be to muddy the water so bad so as to make it a tribal he said/she said where we can all comfortably ignore reality - you know, just like the rest of our public policy, economic, and global affairs news.

Projection has been the tool of the Oligarchy for a VERY long time. You can see it in the Bircher CT stuff from the 60s - the commies are going to capture economics and enslave you all - when in reality it was a Fascist / Paperclip movement doing exactly the same under the anti-commie banner. Amazing stuff.

You can see it with the Gay Army that the Religious Right was fighting - gays are going to make everyone gay, because christians make everyone Christian. Classic projection.

GWoT? Heh. Terrorism and the march to global preeminence and hegemony is itself projection.

Over and over we fall prey to this psycho-rhetorical device. It's almost as if it's PSYOPs or something.

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@snoopydawg during Epstein's wrist slap being granted by unnamed co-defendants, who were therefore not charged?

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@laurel that was alluded to above. There are undoubtedly many on this board who know there is a larger, and even darker backstory behind the current sex scandal. Like several previous flareups over the years, this too will likely cool off and go back into smouldering embers that the world's most powerful intelligence services and mainstream corporate media have been trying to extinguish for decades.

Here's the bigger story that looms above the smokey column of multinational blackmail, coverup and kompromat operations. Let's go back to the events that led up to the 1991 death of Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell's father:

British Publisher Robert Maxwell
Was Mossad Spy
By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon
The Mirror - UK
12-6-2002
[ . . .]
Eleven years after former Daily Mirror owner Robert Maxwell plunged from his luxury yacht to a watery grave, his death still arouses intense interest.

Many different theories have circulated about what really happened on board the Lady Ghislaine that night in May 1991.

[ . . . ]

The Jewish millionaire and former Labour MP [born Ludvik Hoch
in Czechoslovakia] died the way he had lived - threatening.

He had threatened his wife. Threatened his children. Threatened the staff of this newspaper.

But finally he issued one threat too many - he threatened Mossad.

He told them that unless they gave him £400million to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them.

In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin and to the corridors of power throughout Europe.

On top of that he had built himself a position of power within the crime families of eastern Europe, teaching them how to funnel their vast wealth from drugs, arms smuggling and prostitution to banks in safe havens around the globe.

Maxwell passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities and insatiable appetite for a luxurious lifestyle and women.

He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet Bloc. Mossad saw the advantage in that.

[ . . . ]

The more successful Maxwell became the more risks he took and the more dangerous he was to Mossad. At the same time, the very public side of Maxwell, who then owned 400 companies, began to unwind.

He spent lavishly and lost money on deals. The more he lost, the more he tried to claw money from the banks. Then he saw a way out of his problems.

He was approached by Vladimir Kryuchkov, head of the KGB. Spymaster and tycoon met in the utmost secrecy in the Kremlin.

Kryuchkov had an extraordinary proposal. He wanted Maxwell to help orchestrate the overthrow of Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist Soviet leader. That would bring to an end a fledgling democracy and a return to the Cold War days.

In return, Maxwell's massive debts would be wiped out by a grateful Kryuchkov, who planned to replace Gorbachev. The KGB chief wanted Maxwell to use the Lady Ghislaine, named after Maxwell's daughter, as a meeting place between the Russian plotters, Mossad chiefs and Israel's top politicians.

The plan was for the Israelis to go to Washington and say that democracy could not work in Russia and that it was better to allow the country to return to a modified form of communism, which America could help to control. In return, Kryuchkov would guarantee to free hundreds of thousands of Jews and dissidents in the Soviet republics.

Kryuchkov told Maxwell that he would be seen as a saviour of all those Jews. It was a proposal he could not refuse. But when he put it to his Mossad controllers they were horrified. They said Israel would have no part in such a madcap plan.

For the first time, Maxwell had failed to get his own way. He started to threaten and bluster. He then demanded that, for past services, he should receive immediately a quick fix of £400million to bale him out of his financial difficulties.

Instead of providing the money, a small group of Mossad officers set about planning his murder. They feared that he was going to publicly expose all Mossad had done in the time he worked for them. They knew that he was gradually becoming mentally unstable and paranoid. He was taking a cocktail of drugs - Halcion and Zanax - which had serious side effects.

The group of Mossad plotters sensed, like Solomon, he could bring their temple tumbling down and cause incalculable harm to Israel. The plan to kill him was prepared in the utmost secrecy. A four-man squad was briefed.

Then Maxwell was contacted. He was told to fly to Gibraltar, go aboard the Lady Ghislaine and sail to the Canary Islands. There at sea he would receive his £400million quick fix in the form of a banker's draft. Maxwell did as he was told.

On the night of November 4, 1991, the Lady Ghislaine, one of the world's biggest yachts, was at sea.

[ . . . ]

As Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent told us: "On that cold night Mossad's problems with Robert Maxwell were over."

The incontrovertible facts about his murder are contained in a previously-unseen autopsy report by Britain's then-leading forensic pathologist Dr Iain West and Israel State Pathologist Dr Yehuda Hiss. Of all the documents in our possession, these reports confirm the truth about Maxwell's death.

Gordon Thomas & Martin Dillon are authors of The Assassination of Robert Maxwell: Israel's Super Spy, published by Robson Books.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=f...

Gordon Thomas (author)
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Born 21 February 1933
Died 3 March 2017 (aged 84)
Education Bedford Modern School

Known for Author
Gordon Thomas (21 February 1933 – 3 March 2017) was a British investigative journalist and author, notably on topics of secret intelligence.[1][2] Thomas was the author of 53 books published worldwide[3] including The Pope's Jews,[4] Secret Wars[5] and Gideon's Spies.[6] Thomas got the scoop on the nationalisation of the Suez Canal for the Daily Express in 1956.[7] He was a cousin of the poet Dylan Thomas.[8]

For a second source, consider this:

Lawsuit Protesting Allegation Of Maxwell-Mossad Link Dropped
https://progresspond.com/2010/07/31/seymour-hershs-the-samson-option/

One of the most tantalizing news items of the year was buried deep inside the Washington Post ‘s Aug. 19 Style section under the coyly uninformative headline: “Hersh Wins Apology from British Papers.” Persistent readers had to burrow 19 lines into the story to learn that it began with Pulitzer Prize-winning American investigative reporter Seymour Hersh’s charge in his book The Samson Option that the late London Daily Mirror publisher Robert Maxwell and Mirror foreign editor Nicholas Davies had links to Mossad, Israel’s shadowy foreign intelligence agency.

Maxwell and the Mirror Group sued Hersh and his British publisher, Faber & Faber, Ltd. over the charges. Less than two weeks later, however, Maxwell’s body was found floating in the sea near the Canary Islands, where he had been traveling in his yacht, seemingly alone except for the crew.

The manner in which the Czech-born British publishing tycoon’s body was spirited away for burial in Israel after a perfunctory autopsy by Spanish authorities ignited widespread speculation over whether Maxwell, who was in the midst of high-profile negotiations to purchase the New York Daily News at the time, was murdered, committed suicide, or slipped off the deck of the luxurious yacht accidentally or after a heart attack.

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@leveymg That was while Mueller ran the place, which means the Bureau has had everything tucked safely away in its files for decades. Would explain the reason why Epstein was given a deal in sentencing, as was Maxwell, who was granted immunity. https://truepundit.com/fbi-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-was-informant-for-m...

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@leveymg but your reply struck me as a complete non-sequitur unrelated to anything I had written. Yes, it's long been clear that Epstein has extremely powerful connections and this time around people are bringing up the possibility that he is working for some sort of state intelligence agency, most likely the Israeli Mossad. Of course I'm glad this necessary information is coming out, but the reason I don't focus on it is that it is peripheral to my primary concerns. Not that it's not important; just that it doesn't grab me. I appreciate careful investigators such as yourself and hope you continue your very good and necessary work. My focus tends a bit broader; I want to know where the plutocrats intend to take the rest of us. The characters in this organized crime scenario who are motivated by self-interest make for some hair-raising drama, but I want to know how the political players -- particularly the rhetoricians -- intend to use it. When globalists like Chrystia Freeland throw around terms like "depopulation," I get scared for the human race.

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