Outside the Asylum
Come outside.
Those who believe in conventional politics have the same advantage that those who believe in an established religion do--most everybody knows what your beliefs are, most everyone knows how to put those beliefs into practice, and most everyone knows where to find others of like mind. To be outside of those assumptions is to occupy a vast and largely uncharted region, armed with nothing but an internal compass. This can be exhilarating as an occasional practice, but it's more than a little difficult to live there.
Last summer, I wrote some essays trying to unearth my political assumptions and articulate what might be described as my political philosophy. I hoped those essays would provide a space for others who do not share conventional political views to express themselves in the comments. Sadly, two things intruded on my plans. First, personal life demanded my near-undivided attention, like it sometimes does. But more importantly, I had failed to address a fundamental question.
Should I lie, tell the truth, or fall silent?
Those are always the three alternatives we have (though people might nitpick about there being shades of truthfulness and deception), and you might think the answer is self-evident: obviously, the truth is always best.
But is it?
The problem is that in an era such as this, the truth is terrible, and the value of knowing it comes into question. I'm not advocating for lying. Actively spreading lies, on purpose, is clearly wrong, particularly in an era like this, when so many are spreading lies for pay. Lies tend to poison a system, and we've got enough toxin around as it is.
However, I have to admit that I've been considering the value of falling silent. That's one of the reasons I've included so little political material in my open thread over the last several months. Two impulses of mine pull me in opposite directions.
First, there's the impulse to tell the truth to the best of my ability, guided by my reason and logic, and my knowledge of what constitutes actual evidence. This has been the fundamental impulse of my character pretty much lifelong. It's an inherent quality of mine that received encouragement and structure from about twenty years of old-fashioned academic training (of the Western European-derived tradition. Yay Charlemagne.)
What resulted from that training was a sort of analytical process in my head that almost never turns off. So one of my impulses is to tell the truth early and often. I like to do it, and I've been trained to do it.
Second, there's the impulse to do no harm. As a student of culture, I'm well aware of the power of word and image, and the devastating psychological impact they can have. Unveiling horrible truths, from one perspective, is worse than pointless if you have no clear plan for changing the conditions that created those truths. That's why those who wish to shut up the unconventional so often use the "Well what's YOUR plan?" attack. We don't have one, and they know it.
The reason we don't have one is that there is no clear way to accomplish the goal of getting society off the terrible, homicidal, suicidal trajectory it has occupied for the past 45 years. In order to get off that trajectory, you have to take power away from the powerful. They have made it more than clear, through their proxies in government and the media, that they will not be persuaded to change.
In fact, what they've offered us is a change in management rather than a change in policy. If we don't like Republicans, fine, they'll give us a Democrat. If we don't want a white leader, fine, they'll give us a black one. If we don't want a male leader, they'll give us a woman...or at least try their damnedest to do so. At some point, no doubt, they'll get around to giving us an LGBTQ leader. We're supposed to get inspired by the change in management and cheer about how victorious we are.
But policy will stay the same. Period.
Unfortunately, the current policy will get most of us killed. For those who care, they will also kill most of the non-human life on the planet.
Therefore, since the powerful won't be reasoned with, the only thing to do is to take power away from them. But there's no clear way to do that. We have two main ways of dealing with these sorts of problems in this country: elections and revolution. Elections clearly won't work--at least, it won't work to keep doing the same things we've been doing since 2003 to no avail. We've made exactly no progress in sixteen years using these methods. Three out of the five presidential elections of the 21st century have included election fraud; in two out of the three, the president we got was determined by fraud. In 2016, things were more complicated, because there was almost certainly fraud happening on both sides. However, what is undeniable is that fraud resulted in a particular candidate becoming the Democratic nominee. After that, there was little hope that the election would result in any positive policy change.
Revolution, at least of the traditional populist "Everybody grab your muskets!" kind, seems quite impossible. I'm willing to be corrected here, but the weapons and surveillance technology available to the powerful so outstrips that available to the common man that, from where I stand, a successful revolution, of the traditional kind, is quite impossible. Such a revolution would have to arise from the inside, a kind of palace coup, which is why Obama put together the Insider Threat program for the government. Watch out, government employees; if you don't look happy enough at your job, you might get reported!
The only other possible form of revolution I can see requires digitally skilled people to disrupt the power structure through digital technology, because the powerful have put all their eggs (and most of ours, too) into one big digital basket. And again, the powerful see that they are vulnerable on that front, which is why they kill people like Aaron Swartz...and many others. (Aaron's death was not the first time someone pursued by the prosecutor Stephen Heymann took his life.)
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/aaron-swartz-isnt...
The real crime here is to be digitally skilled and possess both reason and a conscience. That combination is unforgivable and will probably get you put on some list. The reason? Those are the only people outside the palace who would have a shot at bringing down the powerful. That's also why Barrett Brown was put into prison for posting a hyperlink.
I'm not digitally skilled. Most people I know aren't, at least at the level necessary for these kind of very serious games. Therefore, neither I nor anybody I know (as far as I know) is capable of starting a revolution: we aren't inside the palace, and we lack the digital chops to attack the powerful in their only obvious weak spot.
So that's why I don't "have a plan." I'm not capable of starting a revolution under these conditions, and elections are pretty useless. They have little to do with policy change, and it's policy that's killing us. Anyone who genuinely wants policy change is usually dealt with at a very early stage of the election process, winnowed out. Occasionally the powerful screw up, as they did last time; they didn't expect the public to be more ready for Bernie's message than Bernie was. They thought Bernie was so weak as to be contemptible. But Bernie became a threat, which they had no idea would happen, so they had to scramble, mostly in full view of the public, using every form of fraud they could muster to ensure Hillary would be the nominee. Embarrassing and annoying for our overlords, but as Podesta said, "Don't worry about Bernie. We have leverage;" they didn't have real trouble shutting him down. They didn't realize until too late that they also needed to shut down Trump. Just as the public didn't respond the way they expected to Bernie, the public did not respond the way they expected to the constant display of Trump's sensationalist theatrics. The public was supposed to clutch its pearls and beg Hillary to save it. Too many didn't. Whoops.
So, having no plan, what's the point of revealing terrible truths? These psychopathic bastards have rearranged our political culture so that expressing a dissenting opinion hurts the people I love. What good will it do my mother, for instance, if I confront her with my views? Won't that simply load unhappiness on someone who's already bearing enough?
On the other hand, the idea of falling silent in the face of gross deception galls me. Because that's exactly what they've been trying to do most of my life: drive people with my views out of public discourse.
Thoughts?
Comments
Lying destroys lives of others, being silent
at least shows you care about the consequences your lying words would have. I prefer silence.
I don't believe in revolutions. They are just like fake wars. Pretend to achieve something they never turn out to do.
In fact, I don't know what I am talking about. I am just here to kill my loneliness. I have been silent a lot. When I spoke up it always had bad consequences. I am tired of those. So I stay silent.
Psst.
PS an asylum could be a nice place to be in. ...
Peace.
Well, as I said, lying isn't a viable option.
Silence would undoubtedly be better than lies.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I have lived with people who lied almost constantly, lives were
built on lies. Some lived with their lies into old age, some destroyed themselves and others with their lies. There were those I knew they lied or didn't know they were lying, there were others I knew they were not aware of their own lies, still others lied because they wouldn't have managed to survive not lying, many were manipulated into lying or manipulated others so that they were forced to lie. Most lie out of fear.
None of the liars were ever happy and content people, most were scared to be caught lying and needed to invest all their energy into keeping up the face to hide their lies.
That's why in personal relationships I will call out lies when I encounter them and encourage those to speak truth to powers and not fear repercussions too much. Otherwise staying silent I am not ashamed of, if livelihoods are at risk to be destroyed through speaking up. I consider it a very individual decision to make on a case by case basis.
Politically I try not fall for lies and think it is enough to recognize lies and then speak out against them. but mostly I have noone to talk to about the lies. So, it is a lonely endeavour thinking about all those lies and then nobody to talk about them.
Try not to force people or children to lie. Please.
Being in the asylum isn't hard, if you can manage it.
You have to be able to make yourself buy into a lot of lies. Or let yourself get distracted.
Watching TV news a lot helps.
But I can't make that happen inside my own head. I pretty much know when I'm trying to lie to myself.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
well, no thanks, I can't manage that. :-) /nt
I just do what I can with what I have.
I've decided to become quiet recently. Not because I have nothing to say, but because I have played this game before. Seriously, with the exception of the skins this might as well be "Election 2016: The Gratuitous Expansion Pack".
Been just working on my skills. First attempt at a forge did not go so well, so going to order a professionally made farrier's forge. Notes on flintknapping obsidian to follow, Obsidian is amazingly fun when you get to feel the flow of the stone. Iron Oxide impurites impart an incredible red sheen to the glass. Interestingly, Bronze/copper smelting creates a blue color with similar properties to obsidian. (Greek Evil Eye beads seem to be from that particular shade of blue. Very cool) However, Eye/Hand pro is a must when working with obsidian as it can shatter unpredictably.
Random Poetic thought...
When evil men of my hue and temperment,
spoke loudly as to the evils of others,
You told me my sole duty was to listen.
As such I spoke no words as you called me names,
And dutifully held my tongue as you commanded
that I give way to those whose turn it was to speak.
Enjoy the Screaming.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0AKJMGxwpE]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I love obsidian.
One of my favorite rocks.
Making a forge couldn't be that easy; it would have been amazing had you gotten in right the first time.
I'm glad you're not giving up.
Good poem.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Obsidian is amazing.
Really want to explore some more with it, because now I've got a bucket of broken glass that I need to do SOMETHING with. (Going to do some experimenting. Thinking of trying to raise it to molten temperature then quench in brine. If theory is correct, should create a nice round curve to flake off. Course this is just a guess... Not trying to make a shape, just something flat with a curve...)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Let me know how it comes out!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Captures the political and spiritual dilemma we’re in quite well
As with people living under belligerent occupation, all genuine avenues of agency appear to have been engineered away.
Either we stay silent about our true views and confine our efforts to our assigned behavioral bantustans, or we face denunciation, ostracism, and punishment.
Unless one has the skills to penetrate and subvert the Matrix, all ability to act effectively seems to lie with the authorities (or the various fake pantomime “rebels” and forms of “re$i$tan¢e” they surreptitiously sponsor).
What is to be done?
I would say, we do what we can
to take territory, even if that territory is a TAZ (temporary autonomous zone).
There's actually lots to do--just nothing that will dislodge the powerful. As Lookout says, there's nothing wrong with making things better for the time we have left, and there's a lot to be done on that front. But there's not anything I can see to do about changing the power structure of this country.
My problem is that now people I care about apparently get hurt when I express the truth to the best of my ability. It's as if the bastards who are wrecking everything are hiding behind my mother.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
try to be courageous and not fear
denunciation, ostracism, and punishment. Look for like-minded people and talk uni sono en masse. Just demonstrate.
Good morning, all.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I like the idea of...
To thine own self be true.
When I hear bullshit it is my nature to call bullshit. My training as a scientist also prompts me to use data to support my ideas. However, the idea of effecting someone's political convictions is like changing someones religion...nigh impossible.
My years teaching leads me to trying to explain why I think what I do and the data upon which I base my conclusions. If they have better more convincing data I hope I'm open enough to change myself. At this point in my life I'm comfortable being outside the circle, and find myself accepting our fate with more and more resignation and sadness.
Stay cool down there in the land of flowers...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I don't necessarily hope to change these people's minds...
It's more a question of whether or not I'm doing something harmful by calling bullshit.
However, like you, calling bullshit is pretty fundamental to me.
I suspect we got similar training, despite my being a humanities person and you being a scientist. We probably come out of the same general academic tradition.
I don't know how any of my fellow academics could sign on to either side of this political charade.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Prison. We are in prison
regardless of which side of the wall we are on.
It is harmful to speak your mind, if not to yourself, it is to others.
Lying is perhaps a defense strategy, and I can see it has its' usefulness. I simply "avoid", rather than lie, but I can certainly see some safety advantages to lying.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I guess I don't mean the danger of
the Department of Homeland Security knocking on your door, or some kind of other retribution from above.
I was speaking more of the suffering people experience when I tear down their faith in the system by expressing my opinion of current events. It doesn't even require much on my part, tbh.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I was also referring to
expressing opinions to others.
I do not want to hurt or anger people.
Since I work for the general public, it does me no good to tangle with a client or potential client. In fact, it would hurt my employees, and my family.
In that sense, I am continually trapped, never free, and it only adds to the problem that all of us are under constant surveillance.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I see.
Yes, honest speaking in the public, or at least the professional world, has been lost to most of us. And that is a kind of prison.
The economic hammer most of us live under has implications most of us don't like to look at.
I wouldn't expect anyone to tell the truth under those circumstances.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Never has the phrase
Out of the frying pan and into the fire been more appropriate to describe the dilemma we find ourselves in.
Tell the truth, be silent, or lie?
Lying is not an option for me. Which leaves telling the truth, or being silent. Either of those options depend on the situation. For example, if the situation finds me in a conversation with someone who believes the Russians interfered with our election and that the evidence of that is being suppressed by Trump, truth telling on my part feels like a futile endeavor, and falling silent an exasperating one. I suffer fools not gladly which leaves me with deflection of any political conversations as the less painful of choices.
OTOH, if I find myself in a conversation with someone who either already believes the entire American political system is corrupt, or I feel they can be swayed into understanding the political dilemma we find ourselves in, truth telling becomes pointless for a different reason, as in to what effect? Which brings me to your other point, what's the plan once the truth has been acknowledged?
The digital angle, is an interesting one, but I feel the only way we'd have full control over that is if we stole the Doberman pups and raised them as our own. But like the pigs in Animal Farm, we'd then risk becoming what we despise.
And here we are, in a hot frying pan with nowhere to go. Is it any wonder I spend most of my time these days not talking about politics and cooking instead?
Great essay CStMS. Glad to see you here
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Thanks, Anja. It's good to
"see" you.
I guess you could think of "preaching to the choir" as pointless, but I tend not to think so, under these conditions. Telling the truth to and around other truthtellers helps those people, and oneself, stay sane. That seems to be the case, anyway!
I think kindness and sanity are always a good. The problem (for me) comes when those two goals are in opposition to one another.
The event that spurred this thought train didn't actually arise from me bringing up politics or trying to change anyone's mind. The other person was the one who brought up politics. I attempted to join in the conversation as tactfully as I could without lying, but apparently my views themselves are really upsetting even when I don't entirely express them.
"When I talk to you I feel like I'm on another planet."
"OK, I've girded my loins. What don't you like about Cory Booker?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I agree there is definitely a therapeutic value
in speaking with like minded people about our dilemma. The other situation you mentioned is less so.
From what you say, it sounds like the person you are having political conversations with is not prepared to let go of the false reality they've held onto for most of their lives. Understandable if you think about it. We've all travelled similar roads here when it comes to that moment when the curtain was ripped away and we soberly took stock of what had been hidden for most of our voting lives. And let's face it, that realization was painful and permeated a much larger sphere in our lives then even we anticipated. So, depending on how much this person you are talking to has invested in holding on to the fantasy of political self determination and politicians trying to "make a difference", I'm not sure what the benefit is for them of hearing the truth.
Is drawing a boundary and asking this person to not talk about politics possible? At least with that boundary understood, you are both protected. As is your relationship.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Do you know how hard it is to answer the question
"What don't you like about Cory Booker?"
Where does one even start?
I mean, I started with charter schools, but that kind of was evading the main point.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Count me in, CStMS - just what I've been hoping for!
The question:
That 'answer' depends upon a person's background (including education), experiences, and psychological makeup. (IMO) In my experience, folks most prone to welcome fact-based discussions, are normally not risk-averse, and, therefore, feel less threatened by hearing ideas--especially, facts--that might dispute their preconceived notions.
Bottom line--it's a personal decision, regarding 'which way' to go.
I'm with you - the 'truth' wins, every time.
I'm sure that my strong feelings about this are influenced, to some extent, by my own personal background of having challenged the powerful federal bureaucracy--the MIC--and winning. The entire saga happened to me at a very young age (mid-twenties, when it began). As a result, as long as I know the truth is on my side, I sincerely believe that--if I persevere-- good will come of my efforts.
Hey, I mentioned just last week (or, earlier this week, can't remember which) - I just found out that I may be able to incorporate a 'chat' option into a WordPress Blog. I sure don't have time to actually 'run' a blog. But, when I finish Mr M's project, gonna see if the plug-in works with my blog templates. (I've got more than one).
If I'm able to get a 'chat' room/thread working, was hoping to set aside a couple hours, on occasion - dunno, maybe once a week, once every two weeks, whatever--to discuss the more pressing 'issues' of the day. I'll post a blurb, if I'm able to pull it off. And, if it would help facilitate your goals, let me know. (No pressure--I plan to play with the idea, regardless.
) Anyhoo, I think it'd be sorta neat, and handy!
I'll drop back by to post a link to a piece that LL posted last night. It partly makes one of the points that I've tried to make about the UMFA Bill - it's based on a 'managed care' model. The author doesn't thoroughly explain 'ACOs,' but, at least he addresses how useless ACOs are, and, that it was misguided to incorporate them into the UMFA Bill.
Hope things will soon get better for you, CStMS, considering all the sad events that you've experienced as of late. Perhaps getting involved in a new project (like 'Outside The Asylum') will be helpful. I hope so.
Mollie
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
I love the idea of a weekly chat.
let's talk some more, maybe in pm (private messaging not post meridian, LOL)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
CStMS - Great! Just sent you a PM. Gotta run the Pup out.
Give me a holler any time!
Mollie
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Here's a link to the NC piece by Kip Sullivan
that LL linked to sorta late yesterday (or, that's when I saw it).
I'll post just a brief excerpt, below, but, would hope that folks would consider reading the entire article.
Actually, I don't agree with everything Sullivan says, either. But, at least, he recognizes that the Bill is written in such a way that it will take a FFS system, and 'transform it' into a managed care system.
If people will pay attention to the language, a lot of the Dem Party (healthcare) technocrats (like Gaffney) are mostly concerned with saving tax payer dollars. As far as I'm concerned, that shouldn't be the primary focus. It should be providing excellent healthcare. Stop our wars and military occupations, if you want to 'free up' monies. Don't do it on the backs of the American People. Phew!
And, with 2/3's of seniors, along with individuals drawing SSDI, in the existing system--which is not managed care--think there'd be a massive amount of blow back if they attempt to do this. Especially, since that's what Part C Medicare--called Medicare Advantage--already allows for--if a beneficiary chooses to enroll in a HMO plan.
Here you go,
Everyone have a nice rest-of-the-holiday weekend!
Mollie
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
this issue came up wiith Aspie Corner
Since he is a Buddhist I hoped he would be open to the words of the Buddha.
Not so much!
But good advice anyway,in my opinion.
Right speech. Right speech (samyag-vāc / sammā-vācā) in most Buddhist texts is presented as four abstentions, such as in the Pali Canon thus: And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, and from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
It is pretty clear what makes a lie- the others require judgment.
I think we are to do the best we can and not beat up on people to show how smart we are.
Speaking of Buddhist Right Speech
Would calling out another person by name fall under the category of right speech?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I didn't think I was "calling him out".
All that came out in public yesterday.
Certainly don't think I have been abusive to AC or to anyone else here.
You might disagree.
I can only speak for myself
But I cannot recall a time where speaking the truth in a political conversation was motivated by my desire to "show how smart" I was.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I know the kind of thing irishking is talking about
and may have been guilty of that once or twice in my life. But that was mostly before things became so dire.
This would be a hell of a time to play games of intellectual one-upmanship, and I can't remember the last time I did.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
speaking for myself
it is hard to avoid talking in service of ego.
We must try to be honest about our motivation, that's all.
no offense intended.
It's a slippery slope
Isn't it. Accuse another of failing to adhere to a particular moral code, inevitably invites that same critical lens to be used back at yourself.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
actually
I didn't accuse anyone of anything.
Hey, dude, no offense taken.
One of the things I hate about the modern era is that it's like we're all walking through a mine field of potential offense.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Certainly there's a pleasure in out talking someone else
but it's harder to feel that when things have reached this point.
It's not that I'm claiming any particular virtue for myself.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
good for you!
Unfortunately, telling the truth
in this era pretty much is divisive, no getting around it. And many seem to experience truth-telling as abuse, although I don't personally buy that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
CStMS,
I'll let you know when I get a 'chat room' set up.
If it works, I promise that it won't be at all intrusive to anyone at C99.
IOW, the link would go to another site/blog. So, folks who object to the idea, would not, in any way, be affected.
Have a nice rest-of-the-Fourth!
Mollie
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Thanks, Mollie!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I agree that there are few
avenues for disruption. You idea for digitally skilled people to confound communication systems is not one that I have thought of and it would not be easy. But there is definitely potential.
The only other thing I think might work is for people to stop buying anything but essentials. The actuality of that happening is unlikely. But it would be oh so satisfying to see the corporate monsters starve.
Thanks for the great discussion.
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You're welcome.
Thanks for dropping by.
Stay tuned...my next one will probably be on how climate affects my politics.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thoughts?
redacted.
Heh.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver