The day the Dem party lost the 2020 Presidential race--and both houses of Congress
We could sing along with the "Day the Democrat Party died" to the tune of the Day the Music died. Such cacophony and lemming-like stampede to the edge of oblivion. If I were a rational demonrat, then I wouldn't be perturbed by the following diatribe. But of course, the only rational Dem is Tulsi (I don't know enough about Mike Gravel to comment about him--but he hasn't got a chance in the race. But now, thanks to a suicidal vote in Debacle Debate number 2, The Dims have assured themselves of three things
1. El Trumpo remains the Orange Man-in chief
2. Repugnants solidify their hold on the Senate and send Nervous Nancy to minority status, which she so richly deserves (pun intended)
3. The Democrat party Whiggifies itself. Going, going....
Yes, dear fans of politics and nastiness of other sorts, the Dems are grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory (as if they had a chance). They are adept at this who can forget the spirited campaigns of Al Hanging Chad Gore and John Kerry? Oops. Many of you have already suppressed those two firebrands going down to defeat like kittens being tossed into the ocean.
The focus of their suicidal one-way run for the cliffs from which they will throw themselves onto the rocks of reality is immigration. Do these Dumb F's really think Americans want to pay the medical bills of illegals when citizens often cannot get adequate medical care for themselves and family? Oh, virtue-signaling be praised! We shall provide for those illegally here but not for our own.
By a show of hands, the round two Klowns indicated their desires to rest in the ash-pit of history.
During the second Democrat presidential primary debate on Thursday, every Democrat candidate said they supported giving American taxpayer-funded healthcare to all 11 to 22 million illegal aliens living in the United States.
When asked by NBC News anchors whether their healthcare plans would provide taxpayer-funded free healthcare to all illegal aliens, all 10 Democrats raised their hands in support of the initiative.
Already, Americans pay about $116 billion to subsidize illegal aliens living in the U.S. — providing them with free education, free healthcare, and public benefits.
Today, American taxpayers pay nearly $20 billion for free healthcare for illegal aliens, according to estimates from analysts at the Center for Health Policy and Inequalities Research at Duke University.
Everyday Americans care nothing about Russiagate--that is an obsession of the elites and incontrovertible Hillbots. Amongst the things they care about is the southern invasion of our country by people who mostly come here for economic betterment. But this begets the Tragedy of the Commons
The tragedy of the commons is a situation in a shared-resource system where individual users acting independently according to their own self-interest behave contrary to the common good of all users by depleting or spoiling that resource through their collective action. The theory originated in an essay written in 1833 by the British economist William Forster Lloyd, who used a hypothetical example of the effects of unregulated grazing on common land (also known as a "common") in Great Britain and Ireland.[1] The concept became widely known as the "tragedy of the commons" over a century later due to an article written by the American ecologist and philosopher Garrett Hardin in 1968.[2] In this modern economic context, commons is taken to mean any shared and unregulated resource such as atmosphere, oceans, rivers, fish stocks, roads and highways, or even an office refrigerator.
The Dems sucking on a cyanide capsule, awaiting the fatal hiccup which won't be long in coming. I pray to the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pasta be his name) that a sudden jolt of trismus (jaw spasm) will crush that capsule and be done with the whole sorry lot.
In the meantime, dear fellow swampers and those who prefer remaining dry, I await the entrance of her majesty, the Future Queen of Hades, to enter the race, sweeping all before her away into political nothingness. Tulsi will bolt the Dems the moment that happens. Although Tulsi may drop out of the race, knowing correctly that she will be cheated a la Bernie, she might start a third party. You can't keep a good woman down--Tulsi I obviously mean.
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Anger is no excuse.
You got something to say about her positions, say it.
The points being raised here will be raised in the public discourse. Democrats and progressives can scream racists all they want. It won't stop the conversation, nor Trump, Republicans and lying Democrats from killing whatever chance at universal health care this country has.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Then we agree, because I haven't screamed
about anybody being a racist, and if I were to do it, then at least I would be an equal opportunity racist screaming idiot.
I understood dfarrah's comment to mean she is smelling racism (one step before sceaming it out) just from the other side of the aisle (I guess it's from the Repubican or conservative side instead of the Progressive, Democratic or liberal side. If I misunderstood that, I would accept your criticism.
I said clearly that 'talking racism' is futile, if you look at other comments I made on this thread. I might not be belly-aching, but a bit of heart-ache I have.
And of course, I can voice my anger, why not? I don't understand the whole discussion here. It is embarrassing confusing to me and I don't understand what most of you wamt to say. I would say stop using the race or ethnicity of anyone as a tool in the competition of political campaigns between supporters and any candidate you might compete against. That's all.
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Couldn't you have said all of that
without including the belly scratching?
I am talking about how supporters of illegal immigrants regularly accuse the opposition of being racists.
dfarrah
yes, I could have, but wasn't sure I could say it
politely without being in your face kind of nasty. Sorry. And I was not sure I understood you. So out came a misfit of a comment.
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I work in tech
And the South Asians I see are all educated. Which is why the argument about providing Heath care to the rest of the world is a straw man. Most south asians can't get here because they are 12 time zones away. And the ones who do get here are either highly educated or extremely motivated. So we are not talking about the entire world, but just Central America.
The reality is that many of these educated South Asians are as exploited as American workers by the H1-B visa body shops, which in turn keeps American tech wages low. But that tells me that we need to stop exploiting all labor by regulating the crap out of H1-B and empowering all workers.
EDIT: I do agree that the optics are bad, although I expect the Dims are hoping this will turn out the Hispanic vote. Whether that balances out is a good question. Personally I think they should play up the native benefits more.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
somehow, a citizenry composed of pious -- might one even
suggest excessively pious -- life-loving worshippers of the man from galilee can more easily stomach spending half a trillion a year to slaughter innocents overseas, than spending 100 billion a year to succour those among us whose only meaningful distinction from the main trunk of society is that they lack certain documentary credentials.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
You really are not able
to have a conversation without insulting people, are you?
As of right now, the USA is a secular country and believing Christians are, I think, a minority. Now, in my church, we have a theological principle called subsidiarity, which means, roughly speaking, you take care of your own first. As in, our own fellow Americans in desperate circumstances come first.
Mary Bennett
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.
If it does, then put it on, take a walk around the block, and reflect on the experience. Regardless, I stand by my statement.
As to the US, our government is putatively secular -- though we all know that in practice, that's aspirational, not manifest -- but our citizenry is highly religious, which is what I said. Is it an insult if I then point out that your remark about the US being secular is at best a non sequitur? Or should I be insulted, based on your implication that I'm an idiot who doesn't know about the principle of separation of church and state?
Is it an insult if I point out that you are very wrong as to the relative predominance of Christianity amongst US citizens? About 3/4 of the population self-identifies as Christian; about 80% of those say they belong to a specific congregation. There are more self-identifying Christians in the US than in any country on earth.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
The proper and just response to our having destabilized
the tiny countries of Central America would be to remove our bases, accept responsibility, put war criminals on trial, starting with HRC herself, and paying reparations to the affected countries.
But, those proper and just steps would imply giving up our war-mongering, interventionist ways, and that, for Mr. or Ms. UntimelyRippd and others, is not the plan.
Mary Bennett
Worth repeating, Nastarana, so I will
Do you think it is reasonable to assign, without justification
or evidence, unsavory political opinions to someone about whom you know next to nothing? I defy you to find, anywhere in anything I've ever written in my adult life, any statement that supports your assertion that
I'm deeply insulted. I invite you to apologize at your convenience. For that matter, you should probably apologize to every person who doesn't object to providing M4A to ... well, all. I expect that you have insulted almost all of them, because you'll find damned few among their number who do not oppose the Empire's war-mongering, interventionist ways.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Guess hir missed the many, many times people here
have said that one of the best ways to stop people fleeing from their countries is to stop our interventions. Just dropped in and saved the world with these bright words of wisdom... sheesh
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Apparently hir has missed about 4 decades' worth
of left-wing opposition to both our obscene anti-human foreign policies and our obscene anti-human domestic policies. Consider this bizarre comment, which appears somewhere upstream in this thread:
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Don't you remember how swell things were for us
before those damn immigrants started flooding the country and taking all the resources meant to go to us deplorables? If Mexico would just put up a roadblock to stop them then congress would allocate money to put people in homes and give us everything else we want. Damn furegners!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Nice bit of misdirection.
A phrase like 'xenophobic ignoramuses' is vituperative and unnecessary. Just sayin'. My opinion. Nor was it necessary to bring up people's religion. Again, just sayin', but I do wonder if you would be so quick to denounce Islam, for example?
You blame Americans for not wanting to take in migrants when we can't feed and house all of our own citizens, but won't connect the dots between militaristic foreign policy and migration until explicitly challenged to do so.
I won't ask your opinion because I doubt I would get a straight answer, but I will state the following as mine.
HRC, and many others, very much including Eliot Abrams, need to be indicted and prosecuted for war crimes, in Central America and elsewhere. Bill needs to be indicted and prosecuted for fraud with respect to the misuse of funds in Haiti.
The US military needs to be cut by approximately half, and deployed in the Western hemisphere for homeland defense.
Our strategic interests in the Western hemisphere are best served by a good neighbor policy.
We should maintain no troops or bases in the Middle East at all. Let other countries protect their own shipping. Russia has legitimate strategic interests in the Middle East; we have none.
Mary Bennett
US strategic interest in ME
boils down to the petrol industries' interests.
Totally agree the US military needs to get out of other nations affairs.
The aggression is being pushed for profit alone.
Thanks for your comments.
question everything
Nothing you wrote there has anything to do with any
opinion I've offered about anything, other than that I felt like highlighting the ugly hypocrisy of people who style themselves "christian", and who tolerate (or, in may cases, demand) that we make war all over the damned planet, with no great regard either to the particular victims of our violence or the cost to ourselves of sponsoring that rain of death, while at the same time screaming bloody murder at the outrageous idea that a program of universal health care might be extended, at a fraction of the cost of that rain of death, to include people who are not legally in this country.
And your objection to my highlighting that hypocrisy -- which is to say, your umbrage -- was laughable. To paraphrase Satan (played by Jon Lovitz on SNL): When I start insulting you, you'll know it.
Here's a notable characteristic that I've observed in the empathy-challenged on the right of American politics: They would rather let a hundred people suffer, if alleviating that suffering meant that one "undeserving" person might get something out of it. It's something to do with confusing abstract concepts of "justice" with concrete concepts of human wellbeing. For example, better that a kid with a broken wrist not be able to go to the doctor, if letting that kid go to the doctor means allowing another kid with a not-broken wrist also go to the doctor, when his stupid indulgent mother should tell him to suck it up, the big baby.
Thus, they'll spitefully resist a system of national, universal healthcare, because, even though damn near every "deserving" person would be better off, so would every "undeserving" person, and that's just intolerable. I've seen it many times, in print, on TV, and right up close and personal with people I've known. It makes me want to puke.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
We won't?
Don't know where you've been, but this site has been saying that since before the immigrant issue started. I know damn well that people are fleeing their countries because we have been destabilizing South America countries since our inception. As have many others here.
I've been saying that we need to bring the troops home and close the overseas bases since before I started blogging. And have been calling for prosecution for war crimes as have many others here. You aren't saying anything that we haven't said before on this and other blogs so I'm not sure why you're being so insulting.
BTW Abrams was prosecuted before, but he got pardoned by Barr during the Bush I administration.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
We here on this site are "enlightened"
The rest of the population, not so much, and many of them are deliberately endarkened by the Propaganda Machines.
Unfortunately there aren't enough of "us here on this site" to vote in the changes, or even the people, we'd like to see.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The D's problem with MediCareForAll isn't limited to illegals'
coverage. Most of them say they want to completely eliminate all private coverage. Even Bernie says everybody's taxes will need to rise substantially to cover it. I agree with Ed-the Ds are doomed.
Bernie say my savings with cover the tax increase. Since I'm already on MediCare(paying $110 per month)that won't happen.
MediCareForAll plus a quixotic impeachment try-the D's have a death wish. Good riddance I say.
4 more years of Trump I guess.
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Wow, spirited!
I tend to come down on fixing problems at home. Mainly because this will hurt our lowest income citizens the most. Logically since we have no real health care "system", the democrats will come up with a special program just for undocumented immigrants. They can only operate on that level, of addressing a segment, a defined separate group.
The ones that will suffer will be the near poor, all those just over the dividing line who just miss getting any help from the government, that fall further behind day by day. Their taxes help everyone else but not them. And boy do they resent it. We throw racism, sexism, religion...you name it, into every discussion and stir the pot until it doesn't look like anything. In this I agree with Alligator Ed. It's not the sword we should die by.
Our 2 neighbors also have immigration policies https://www.npr.org/2016/12/21/505538964/police-and-illegal-immigration-... Eh, Canada?
The most disturbing thing is the slow politicizing of the military, the police, the TSA, INS and what seems to be a purge going on throughout all of the government (federal and state) agencies through the holdover and hiring of conservatives. We're being gerrymandered in more ways than the one we know. Maybe the way to the control of the government is through the HR dept.
You've capture the core message here, thanks
You did too
With the way the republicans are pushing immigration enforcement, by the time the election ramps up the democrats core message will be "we need to go to the mat to protect an endless numbers of undocumented foreigners, in need of every basic need, at any cost." That should rally most Americans.
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