If it wasn't Russia, then who hacked the DNC?
Who had a direct interest in Trump's election?
Well, since his campaign promise to end our involvement in foreign interventions would directly benefit the Arab populations in the ME, I would think Israel, since they have a large population of Arabs.
And his promise to solve the Palestinian situation drew that cohort to support him.
Also, being the pious Christian that he is, Trump would obviously be the first choice with the sizable Christian community in that free and democratic country.
And then the large Russian expat community in Israel would definitely prefer Trump over Hillary because of his remarks toward Russia as being better friends than enemies.
Combine these groups with other groups in that country it becomes clear that Israel had the most to gain hacking the DNC servers and swinging the 2016 election to Donald Trump.
A full and complete investigation should follow.
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or....there was no leak
EDIT: oops, I mean "hack".
I assume a Dem copied files onto a USB drive and I assume a Republican did the phishing of Podesta.
My answer
No one "hacked" the DNC.
The term "hack" assumes that an outsider remotely downloaded the files. But the VIPS did an analysis of the download speeds and times and concluded that it was an inside job which means it was a leak, not a hack.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Yep. This was all BS. No one ever saw that
server but Crowdstrike.
Read the above. It totally takes apart this ‘hacking’ garbage.
And just to back the above up:
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
These articles are amazingly great
so much new information on them and like they say, the plot thickens. Thanks for posting them.
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I will read them when I have time.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Still railing against the term "hacked"
Podesta got Phished. He was stupid enuf to answer an unsolicited email and provide his fn password.
It could been a basement dweller. It could have 4Chan, It could have been his wife's brother in-law ( see Bezo's paramours brother turns him into Enquirer for $200 large).
Wikileaks has consistently maintained they did NOT obtain the emails from Russia.
The DNC/Clinton Creature never allowed the FBI to forensically investigate their servers. Isn't that curious.
Hmm, why do I believe Wikileaks over the DNC ?
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I agree with gg
The server wasn't hacked. The emails were leaked. I still think Seth Rich is the prime suspect.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Still nothing on his murder
sorry........ 'botched robbery™'.
Hmmmmmmmm.....
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
It's a conspiracy theory!
Even the Washington Post has issued a retraction, paid money, and took the articles down. So clearly there's nothing to see here...
/snark
(I don't know about you, but I know for a fact that the media DOESN'T issue retractions loudly and publicly. They keep it very, very quiet. Except in this case, where they want us to know they did, and paid apology money... which honestly smells like fucking weregild to me.)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Being a parent,
you'd think that by now, Rich's parents would be loud in demanding some sort of answer, with regard to their child's odd demise.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Yup. The MSM wants us to believe...
Which goes against everything I know about human behavior. Unless one of two things happened.
1: I had other children who were actively being threatened if I didn't.
2: That's it. The other option is of course "They Paid me a lot of money" But that's NOT an option for me. Apparently to the wealthy, much like kings... they can always have another son.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
It was the DNC's fault.
If they didn't send and receive a bunch of e-mails with slimy information in them in the first place, there wouldn't be a problem. Imagine hacking them, and then finding nothing of interest.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Precisely,
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Answer: a hacker
Said hacker may or may not have been from Russia.
If the hacker was in Russia at the time, it still doesn't mean that "Russia" hacked the DNC.
Russia is a country, and countries can't be a hacker.
Russian != Kremlin
Russian IP may or may not mean Russian hacker.
Of course you are all correct
I was just using the meme all the pundits have and using it against them.
Only one country has an overwhelming influence on American politics.
Israeli money and control have had an enormous effect on all our lives for decades.
It must be stopped.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
There was no hacker.....
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Of course they weren’t hacked. But claiming they
were was a way to distract from what the leaked emails said.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Email content
(Hey JtC, we need a barf emoji).
Lol
You mean like a picture of a oozing barf bag? Or a stick figure whose projectile vomiting?
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We do
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Ooooh!
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
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earthling1,
I think your question,
is well worth asking. I also think your assertion that it could have been Israeli intelligence is perfectly reasonable. I also think it could have been the CIA. Also CrowdStrike. Also any number of other actors.
But I also think it's more likely there wasn't a hack, and that there was instead a leak by someone "who had legal access" to the DNC emails because the person who said it, Craig Murray, is a Wikileaks associate of Julian Assange, and in my experience they haven't lied, whereas the CIA has lied all of my lifetime.
I agree with those who have written here that if there had been a hack, the NSA would have been able to confirm it. I believe the most pathetic part of this whole mess is the FBI saying it didn't look at the DNC server because they didn't. And the Intelligence Community Assessment has disclaimers in it saying nothing they assessed in the report was based on fact. President Obama said the same thing in his farewell address.
So I know your essay and question were meant to point out the flimsiness of the Russia assertion, but I think it's the most important question all of us should ask going forward.
Who says Trump benefited?
I know that seems like a reasonable assumption but I’m not convinced.
First off, the MSM never really reported on the contents of the emails in any meaningful way. If we are to believe these emails influenced voters, who has proved it? The only people I saw talking about the contents were the people who likely had their minds made up anyway. It’s not like the emails dropped and HER polling dropped. It seems like the contents either confirmed what one already believed or were ignored.
The other thing being the idea that the Trump campaign gleaned some insight to HER campaign plans that they used in some meaningful way. Just looking at the chaotic, stumbling upwards campaign Trump ran, I find that charge really hard to believe. I doubt he would have run any differently either way.
And the whole nature of this question assumes HER was set to win. I don’t think that’s a safe assumption either. As has been noted, HER was incredibly unpopular and had huge negatives going into the election. The campaign HER ran was stunningly inept and presumptuous. The release of the emails didn’t cause her to offer nothing to voters, skip crucial states or give Bernie supporters the middle finger.
And to that end, lets not overlook that what the emails detail (for instance, the fraud committed against Sanders’s voters) happened. The attitude of contempt for those voters wasn’t disguised by the campaign. Again, all the emails did was confirm what everyone suspected. I doubt the existence of evidence changed too many minds.
And finally, what government is benefitting from a Trump presidency in any way that they wouldn’t have if HER had won? While I certainly agree Israel has too much influence in US politics, I don’t exactly see a Democratic administration being much different on this one.
I really don’t think any foreign government had anything to do with the release of these emails. I really think the answer is as simple as they were leaked by a whistleblower, most likely Seth Rich.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
This was why Russia was blamed for the "hack"
This is why Hillary and Podesta cooked the whole damn thing up in the first place and it's in the email that Wikileaks released. She didn't want the media to focus on their content and look at how well it worked.
"It's my turn and I'll cheat if I want to!" Sung to the snappy tune, "it's my party..". Whilst Her's campaign staff were begging her to come to the Midwest where Trump eventually won she was in California at another wealthy fundraiser instead. Her staff warned her that there were problems there, but I think she really thought that it was in the bag for her. Hell she didn't even have to work hard during the primary because she knew that the fix was in.
Bottom line for me is that Herheinous lost to Trump on her own because of the true baggage tied to her going all the way back to her time in the WH with Bill. Welfare reform. The crime bill. Every military intervention she heard about she voted for. Plus did she really think that giving paid speeches to the banks just before she declared wouldn't come back to bite her on her bum?
Calling people deplorables was probably the last nail for her coffin and any chance of winning.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
somebody oughta write a book
spelling out exactly why Hills lost, in an honest way.
Here are my thoughts on that.
1. She was a Goldwater Girl so all the BS about her work in the 60s was seen as a lie.
2. She (and the DNC) cheated in the primaries, either straight out (getting fed the debate questions beforehand) or in a roundabout way (strong-arming superdelegates before the primaries as they strong-armed potential primary opponents into not running).
3. The Bill Clinton baggage.
3a. everything Bill did as President
3b. meeting with Loretta Lynch, chuckling about it, lying about it)
3c. bullhorn at the polling place. Should have been arrested.
3d. past sexual deviancy immunizing Trump against the "grab 'em" tape.
4. Being a notoriously poor campaigner.
4a. Losing a 40 pt lead to Obama in '08.
4b. Losing just about that much to Sanders in '16.
4c. not campaigning where she needed to.
5. Wall Street speeches.
6. Wiping 30,000 emails and claiming they were "personal".
7. Getting supporters to scold Sanders.
8. "Henry Kissinger".
9. Single payer will "never, ever come to pass".
10. "I'm with Her" slogan absolutely arrogant, equivalent to "Connecticut for Lieberman".
I'm sure you can add to these. Russia? No.
My additions...
11. Using Prison labor as house servants.
12. Being suspiciously close to way too many suspiciously dead people for me to feel comfortable.
13. Cheering the murder of foreign heads of state.
14. The 1996 Telecommunications Decency Act. (People remember little things like that. We also remember during your husband's reign you wanted to be known as CO-President, so it's YOUR mess, lady.)
15. Making False accusations of Racism and Sexism.
16. Lying about being attacked in a war zone. (I take that one Personal)
17. I don't trust millionaires period. That one's not for her specifically...
18. I don't trust Democrats. That one's not for her specifically...
19. I don't trust Republicans. She gets double credit, so this one IS for her specifically.
20. [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV8W3XDCwBo]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Double credit for being both Democrat and Republican
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
20 - stealing the White House china
and a few other items when their tenure was done.
21 - leaving the WH "dead broke" but then getting a $2 million loan and buying a house that conveniently had a place for the secret service to live and charging the government $10,000 month for them which just happened to be their mortgage payment. Right after Bill got his loan he started giving his paid speeches to the banks. Remember that he blew up glass steagal for them.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Snopes of course tells us...
Frankly I'm amazed that George Washington apparently rose from the dead to give Hillary Clinton his China.
/snark
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Isn’t that always the way with the Clintons?
Also, the list you guys are compiling is great! Someone needs to make it a diary.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
After the Mueller report came out
I was hanging out on DK and someone said that if Trump does leave the WH then someone will have to make sure that he doesn't take stuff from the WH on his way.
LMAO! I so wanted to say, "like Hillary did when she left?"
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
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That comment would turn into a Skull and Crossbones so fast...
And since that sets up a piratey theme...
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Add
Labeling an entire group of voters "Superpredators".
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
22. Getting caught on video having a seizure in public
or whatever exactly happened on Sept 11, 2016. That was not an ordinary faint - there was something seriously wrong. And her staff folding her up and tossing her into her big black SUV like a cheap suitcase--
Anyone with two functioning brain cells would have started wondering if Her was physically up to the world's most demanding job.
Whatever the reason was, it was Really Really Really Bad Optics.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Ha! Good one
And then two hours later she (or her double) came back out of
the hospitalChelsea's apartment to greet the unknown girl that lived there. Geez so many fond memories huh?There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
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Hello, little girl...
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Ah yes...that no secret service opportunity for the little girl
Thanks for pointing that point out. And as Zoe stated below, Hillary's collapse wasn't seen as anything urgent. Just another "the lady can't walk or stand again" moment.
How much did the press get paid not to talk about that?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
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The thing that always bothered me about that
Is if she was suffering from pneumonia and suddenly fainted, I would think there would be some reaction of surprise from her coterie of "handlers". But there wasn't. Nada reaction. It was as if Hillary fainting was somehow unremarkable. That's just unnatural as reactions go.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Hell of a start
I'm adding how she actually roped off the press during one of her public appearances. The press was corralled by a rope that separated them from her. Now wouldn't you think that people would have had some dignity and walked away? I sure would have.
Wikileaks released her bank speech where she told them that she has a public and private position on things. Yeah that didn't help.
I'm sure that we can come up with many, many more things. It'd be fun for JtC to stick an essay for a week while we do.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Hate to nitpick, but let me make a small correction for you:
"Henry Fucking Kissinger".
There.
Much better.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
You forgot HillaryCare
AKA the Let's Stop Single Payer For Another Generation And Insurance Company Despotism Act.
On to Biden since 1973
This is the part that kills me:
It’s like a James Bond or Batman villain that details the whole plan before leaving the hero in a trap they escape from and then use that info to foil the plan. Except in our story, the hero is too busy admiring the trap the Joker put them in to bother trying to do anything about it.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Excellent,
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Leak not hack...please!
as others said probably by Seth Rich. I've heard mentioned that the Mueller report does claim Russian interference...really no surprise from the guy that promoted WMD in Iraq too is it?
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
One Russian company and 13 Russian national trolls.
That is RUSSIA'S involvement.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
How many times did the media get it wrong?
No repercussions for the media
This talks about how many things they told us that turned out to be false. And how people said that Russia's attack on the election was as bad as Pearl Harbor. There should be consequences for what they put the country through. Manufacturing consent for what ever actions the government wanted to take in response to it and for moving the nuclear clock closer to midnight. Asswipes!
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Says the lying, Bernie smearing, Washington Post.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Are you serious?!
This has to be one of the ugliest essays I have ever seen here.
The dog whistle of who you are really blaming is horrific!
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
Seriously? You’re calling anti-Semitism? n/t
@lotlizard
Why would I think that blaming Israel the only Jewish majority country in the world being accused of meddling in US elections would be anything like that.
Especially since white supremacist groups constantly say Jews control America.
Now why would I be concerned and without any REAL PROOF of your accusations would I think that this pure hyperbole and speculation is nothing more than dangerous rhetoric which will be directed at the Jewish people.
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
“My” accusations … so it’s a c99% collective-guilt thing? n/t
Oh please,
Israel and the Saudis have more influence over our government than we ever did. So now you can label me anti-Semitic and Islamophobic.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Stop conflating.
All Israelis are not Jews and all Jews are not Israelis.
Under you faulty logic, anytime anyone blames Israel for anything it is automatically anti-Semitic simply because the country is majority Jewish. That's ridiculous.
Now, you're right to point out the the essayist provides no support for the Israeli meddling assertion, but accusing the author of implied anti-semitism simply for speculating about the involvement of a country with, let's face it, a long history of meddling in other countries affairs (including the US), is just the same old bullshit Israel firsters always use to try to shut down discussion.
Nice try.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
There is real proof of Israel's involvement
Bibi asked Kushner to talk to Flynn and have him talk to Russia and ask them not to sanction Israel for its illegal settlements. This is a known fact.
Plus there is that video evidence that Al Jazeera put together to show how Israel not only leans on our government and push its foreign policies, but how it spies on students involved in the BDS movement.
Oh,yeah. Any congress critters that don't promise to support Israel will never get into congress. Ever. Just another fact about how Israel meddles in our government.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Heaven Forbid! GJohn mentioned Israel!
It's a free country (this one, not Israel).
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
I find that no matter what context Israel is mentioned in
Even in the context of one of the best intelligence agencies on the planet, which Israel is VERY fond of reminding us of.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Heaven forbid anyone would suggest Jews are insiders or anything
http://jewishinsider.com/category/daily-email/
Never even mentioned them.
Wait, no, if we mention Israel, we're attacking ONE SPECIFIC portion of their population because Israel is uniquely Jewish.
As I always say, I don't care what their fucking story is, just pick one.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
“Race” or religion? Which, seems to switch back and forth …
https://forward.com/opinion/418775/israeli-rabbis-are-using-dna-testing-...
If DNA is the criterion though, “ancestral blood” would seem to be thicker than “theological water” . . .
Don't really care, I do know from history, however...
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Of course, we're not supposed to talk about that, as Youtube made me click through three warnings to get to this video.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Israel’s “private industry” spy sector is notorious as well
https://gizmodo.com/hacking-lawyers-or-journalists-is-a-ok-says-notoriou...
Well, when you view the outside world as hostile
And yourself as the potential "victim", it's inevitable you lose your moral compass as well. As clearly as the political - military arm of Israel has.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
RejectingThe3rdWay
you've been warned time and again, enough is enough. Adios.
My essay had no mention of Semites
I pointed out the benefit of a Trump White House for Palestinians, Arabs, and Christians, referring to "other groups" as benefitting also.
Clearly, this was enough to trigger the trolls.
How does that saying by Voltaire go? Something about, How to learn who rules over you, first find who you are not allowed to talk about?
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Yep, our unrepresentatives should investigate everything,
then investigate the investigations and set up committees to investigate the investigations of the original investigations. Then we can have another election even though it's not democracy no matter how many times the democratic party hacks itself. But they won't investigate that.