Bernie 2015 vs. Bernie 2019

This essay will be made up of opinions, so there will be something to disagree with for everyone.

Let's start with the most obvious and least controversial thing - logistically everything is different this time around.

“Short of Joe Biden entering the race, Sanders on paper starts off with more advantages than anybody else. He’s got the largest list; he’s got the most intense following that has stayed with him since 2016; he has a proven ability to fundraise from his small-dollar base,” Brian Fallon, a Democratic strategist and former spokesman for Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign, told the magazine. “He’s in the exact opposite position that he started off the 2016 campaign in.”

In 2015-2016 Bernie had to build a nationwide infrastructure without big-money donors, with a media blackout, and against a hostile party establishment. It was a Herculean task, and it took too much time to overcome.
None of those things are true today, except for the hostile party establishment. The media is also hostile, but there is no blackout this time.

Now some may say that he had the element of surprise last time, but I don't believe that means anything because his detractors are still using the same smears, despite having four years to come up with something original.
What is interesting is to see the Democratic party McResistance and Donald Trump using the exact same attacks on Bernie.
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That's even more true when it comes to the "S" word.
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But opponents of Sanders hope they can get voters to think twice about “feeling the Bern” if they have doubts about his ability to defeat Trump.

And they see the socialist argument as a good one.

“I think socialist is a word that someone who wants to beat Trump should consider carefully before embracing," said one senior adviser to a rival campaign.
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“Democrats in their primaries will likely focus on who can reclaim much of the Obama coalition and be able to go toe-to-toe against Trump rather than be dragged into a long policy debate on socialist versus capitalist agendas,” Smikle added. “That’s a no-win scenario for us.”

If you don't think about it very hard, this sort of makes sense.
Republicans want this fight, so why give it to them. Right?

Except that this fight is inevitable. It can't be avoided. Trump has already announced he's going to call the Democratic candidate a socialist.

It does not matter what Democrats want to do, from attempting to protect people from being arbitrarily fired to preventing banks from ripping off their customers to slowing the extreme growth in inequality. For Republicans, it is always and everywhere socialism.

Does the word socialism even mean anything? For Republicans, it now evidently means “everything Democrats want.”

Even if the Dems nominate Harris or Biden, he/she will be a "socialist".
So trying to run away from a fight that'll happen anyway just makes you look weak.
And that's been the case for the Democrats for more than 40 years, looking weak while running away from a word.

The health care plan introduced by Democratic President Bill Clinton was akin to “centralized bureaucratic socialism,” according to then-congressman Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, would similarly characterize the bipartisan S-CHIP program, which expanded health coverage for children, as “a step towards socialism.”
...Obama was “a hardcore socialist,” according to billionaire David Koch. His stimulus plan was “one big down payment on a new American socialist experiment,” then-Republican House leader John Boehner said. The U.S. will “have effectively ceased to be a free-enterprise society” after the enactment of the Affordable Care Act, Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) said during his 2012 presidential campaign.
...Then-Reps. Allen West (R-Fla.) and Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) both intimated that they had lists of Democrats in Congress who were secret socialists or “members of the Communist Party.”
Even Hillary Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, was labeled as “dangerously close” to socialism by former Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican, during the 2016 election.

Candidate after candidate, decade after decade, Democrats ran away from the "S" word in terror...until Bernie came along.
You can't smear someone with a word if that person has already embraced that word.
That's why Bernie has a unique advantage against Trump.

“We’ve so overused the word ‘socialism’ that it no longer has the negative connotation it had 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago.”
- Republican consultant Saul Anuzis

Bernie also has one other advantage that he didn't have in 2016 - foreign policy chops.
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Foreign policy played little role in the 2016 Democratic primary, but 2020 might be different. Most of the field has concentrated so far on domestic questions, with few staking out much in the way of a signature perspective — with one exception: Bernie Sanders. As Peter Beinart writes at The Atlantic, Sanders has elucidated a platform that is strongly critical of America's imperial blundering, arguing instead for a return of neighborly internationalism and re-engagement with the United Nations.

Except for Gabbard, no candidate is more incline to end our state of permanent wars. It's an immensely popular stand with voters across the political spectrum.

Now I'm going to offer some constructive criticism of his campaign.

Please note the differences between Bernie's 2020 Presidential campaign web site, where he stands on the issues, versus his Senatorial campaign web site for the issues.
Ignore for the moment that the Presidential campaign web site is far superior.

The problem here is substance.
Specifically, too much substance.

Because he is running as a socialist (actually Bernie Sanders is not a socialist, but a social democrat), he remains vulnerable to the "free stuff" criticism.
The more stuff on his agenda, the more he looks like "Socialist Santa Claus".

Bernie needs to simplify his campaign agenda. He needs to make it smaller and more focused on empowering working people, like his Senatorial web site does.

Consider Trump's campaign.
What did he run on?
"Build. The. Wall."
"Drain. The. Swamp."
"Lock. Her. Up."

Simple. Easy to understand. And complete bullsh*t.
Hillary's web site was huge, complex, and complete bullsh*t.

The important take-away is that simplicity sells in politics.

To better explain, I want to focus on two issues: the Green New Deal and Medicare For All.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard declined to endorse the "Green New Deal" despite her being an environmentalist. Her reasoning for the decision bears consideration.

“I have some concerns with the Green New Deal, and about some of the vagueness of the language in there, so have not co-sponsored the legislation,” the Hawaii congresswoman said when asked about the progressive plan to rapidly shift away from fossil fuels to fight climate change.

Vagueness is a huge liability in politics because it allows your opponent to define the issue ($93 Trillion anyone?). Now you can combat that by removing the vagueness and defining it...if you own the issue.
Bernie does not own the issue. AOC does.

Simply put, Gabbard is right and Bernie is wrong, strategy-wise.
Bernie needs to call his environmental plan something entirely different and de-emphasize it.

MFA is the opposite situation.
It's a known, defined issue that doesn't scare anyone, and it's an opportunity.
Consider the bullsh*t argument against it, i.e. "how are you going to pay for it?"
Well, Medicare taxes are payroll taxes and does not tax income above $132,900.
Bernie has proposed lifting the cap.

The Social Security system is currently fully funded until 2037. Lifting the payroll tax cap would virtually eliminate funding shortfalls the program would experience over the next 75 years.

This is a very good idea, but you can also mess with Republicans while you are at it by calling it a "flat tax".
Once you lift the cap you change payroll taxes from "regressive" to "flat", and according to Republican dogma flat taxes are a good thing.
You then put Republicans into a position of having to tell their heavily indoctrinated base why a flat tax, to help pay for MFA, is NOT a good thing. Heads will explode.

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WindDancer13's picture

You then put Republicans into a position of having to tell their heavily indoctrinated base why a flat tax, to help pay for MFA, is NOT a good thing. Heads will explode.

I agree with simplifying the message. Not all of his platform needs to be treated equally every time he speaks. Mix it up; depending on the local emphasize what is important in Michigan in Michigan what is important in Alabama in Alabama. The messages for each will get out to create a whole. He does some of this already, but it needs to be more apparent that he is speaking to the people in front of him rather than to the person in the next state over.

One thing I would add that Sanders needs to do is rephrase some of his key issues. Repetition is good sometimes, but most people need to hear something fresh occasionally.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Bernie was very good last cycle to avoid culture war bullshit and focus on practical policy. Now he and his supporters (including me) were attacked in the primaries through the lens of identity politics and culture war issues using race and gender.

The gop will go to race and culture war issues big time. They always do. The gop does have a identity politics strategy and it focuses on moving white voters. Enough stories that Bernie can fight that back (which of coursed he will be accused of racism by establishment dems)

AOC was just brilliant with this when both dem and gop opponents started on the socialist bullshit. She began saying she is for people have jobs, health care, etc. Fox put up a list of her policies and dang, it was a great list.

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@MrWebster "The gop does have a identity politics strategy and it focuses on moving white voters."

The gop has outreach to minorities. After all, what have the dems done for minorities lately, other than protecting illegals? Trump even came up with prison reform.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/18/could_trump_win_20...

IMO, the dems cooked (or are cooking) their own goose by fighting so hard for illegals and about Russia. I cannot recall a time prior where the dems have fought so hard and put so much energy into non-citizens and Russia to the exclusion of other serious issues. I've never observed them fighting this hard. Further, the dems' stance on other issues has been too bad, so sad, we cannot do anything. This stance is not politically viable.

Just like the dems lost the working class, they will lose an significant number of black voters.

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dfarrah

@dfarrah

This is misinformation:
@MrWebster "The gop does have a identity politics strategy and it focuses on moving white voters."

The GOP has been doing identity politics decades before the Dems started doing it.
It just isn't race-based IP.
They do IP based on nationalism/jingoism, guns, and above all, Christianity.

IMO, the dems cooked (or are cooking) their own goose by fighting so hard for illegals and about Russia. I cannot recall a time prior where the dems have fought so hard and put so much energy into non-citizens and Russia to the exclusion of other serious issues. I've never observed them fighting this hard. Further, the dems' stance on other issues has been too bad, so sad, we cannot do anything. This stance is not politically viable.

When you pretend to be on the left, but you accept the corporate, right-wing take on all things economic, IP is all you have left.

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@gjohnsit on immutable characteristics that one is born with(race, sex, sexuality, etc.) and not things that involve choices.

I just don't see gun club membership as an immutable characteristic, but if people want to say that repubs are driven by identity politics as much as the dems are, I guess they need to latch onto something. I suppose nationality could be considered an IP issue; but even then, one can change loyalties any time.

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dfarrah

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Definition of identity politics

: politics in which groups of people having a particular racial, religious, ethnic, social, or cultural identity tend to promote their own specific interests or concerns without regard to the interests or concerns of any larger political group

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noun (used with a singular or plural verb)
political activity or movements based on or catering to the cultural, ethnic, gender, racial, religious, or social interests that characterize a group identity.

You can't understand IP if you only listen to liberals.

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@gjohnsit qualify my comments when I post about IP.

It seems that the definition is now so broad; I guess IP has somewhat replaced the term 'special interest groups.'

I really don't understand how people so strongly identify with whatever group. I can't imagine feeling 'proud' to be of a certain race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, culture, sexuality, sex, or feeling proud because I live in a certain state or attended a certain high school or belong to a group such as the dems or the NRA.

To me, pride is something to be overcome, not celebrated.

And IP simply divides everyone instead of focusing on the common.

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dfarrah

"bring. jobs. back."

As much as I like Bernie and Tulsi, I don't think either will win against Trump.

Now, if John Hickenlooper (gov of Colorado) ran, I think he could beat Trump only because he is so likeable (or comes off as very likeable and reasonable).

And what is this? “Democrats in their primaries will likely focus on who can reclaim much of the Obama coalition and be able to go toe-to-toe against Trump rather than be dragged into a long policy debate on socialist versus capitalist agendas,” Smikle added. “That’s a no-win scenario for us."

Is that BO 'coalition' still hanging around?

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dfarrah

fundraising

By Monday, after less than a week as a presidential candidate, Mr. Sanders has collected $10 million from 359,914 donors, campaign officials said. But perhaps just as daunting a figure for his rivals is this: Nearly 39 percent of those donors used an email address that had never before been used to give to Mr. Sanders.

For Mr. Sanders, the flood of money from fresh email addresses suggested to his team that he was dramatically expanding a donor network that had already dwarfed his 2020 competition.

“Our second day,” said Ari Rabin-Havt, a senior adviser to Mr. Sanders, “was bigger than anybody else’s first day.”
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Of Mr. Sanders’s wave of day one donations, only 17 people gave him the maximum allowable amount of $2,800, meaning he can ask more than 99.99 percent of his donors to give again. As of late Monday, only 20 donors have given Mr. Sanders the legal maximum; another 46 gave $2,700, the limit in the last campaign.

More than 48,000 donors have already agreed to give to Mr. Sanders over and over, signing up for recurring donations to be drawn from their credit cards worth a combined more than $1 million each month, according to statistics provided to The New York Times by the campaign. The average overall contribution was just under $26.

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@gjohnsit What makes anyone think that the money in donations won't be siphoned off. This time Bernie is getting (most) funding online through ActBlue (about which I recently mistook for David Brock's ShareBlue and which sucked up 2016 funds). Does he not remember the Great Railroad Heist of 2016? That's when Slick Willie and the DNC bestowed $220M of Bernie donations into the ample lap of the Evil Queen.

When egomaniacal, sociopathic Hillary wants something, she finds ways to get it. If she survives to primary time, there are probably schemes afoot, signing over complete DNC control to HRC once the campaigning begins--or perhaps this transfer is already in the works.

For those of us who do not believe Bernie is spineless, witness his recent lukewarm support for Venezuelan regime change. He licked HRC's ring all the way from July to November 2016. He still sings songs of Russians under the beds of Trump.

When elderly people start regressing their principles as he is doing, something deleterious is occurring. Despite his talk of "too many issues" for mass comprehension, we should remind ourselves of Jimmy Carter's too-much-of-everything campaign. This talk of "immorality of borders" places him just as much at odds with Americans as M4A puts him in favor.

If the MSM doesn't smear him as much as before, and if he is the candidate of the Dims, his policies on regime change war, to be generous, is tepid at best. His anti-wall stance will hurt him in red states and some purple ones too. Whether he is called a socialist or democratic socialist or social democrat will not matter. If the economy continues doing well, by current manipulated standards, Trump will have a walk in the park. Plus, if there is Korean peninsular peace, rosebuds will be sprinkled at his feet. Not at Bernie's feet. He is on a path of tripping over his feet already.

Summary:
1. History will repeat (unless HRC is indicted)
2. Too much anti-wall but insufficient anti-war from Bernie.
3. Bernie will be sucked into the globalist interventionalist cadre with barely a whimper.

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@Alligator Ed @Alligator Ed

do not occupy the same planet. They would gladly kill one another given half the chance.

Bernie and AOC need to stop spewing MIC talking points on Venezuela. Humanitarian aid my ass. It is a war to impose neoliberalism on another oil-rich country. If they want to help people in Venezuela, end the sanctions and stop the economic war against Venezuela.

This was a great podcast on the same subject. Historical and in-depth. Definitely worth listening to.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

to convince me that Bernie suddenly has developed foreign policy chops.
Whether it was Bernie or his new expert, Mr. Duss, that authored his position on Venezuela--IMO they butchered it. Bernie co-sponsored a Lybia regime change bill in 2011 and it doesn't look like he's learned much since.
I'm going to stick with Tulsi and hope she can drag Bernie into the light.

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chuck utzman

TULSI 2020

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but Bernie's voting record was never that bad, and has gotten better.

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@gjohnsit
but just for those who don't...
If you know Bernie's voting record you know Tulsi's. (I think it was Real Clear Politics but I'm not sure) published a list of every bill where Bernie and Tulsi were both able to vote on (Bernie is in the Senate and Tulsi in the House, so the list had only 190 bills over Tulsi's career) They voted the same on 189 of the 190.

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On to Biden since 1973

I see MFA as an empty slogan from some candidates. I don't for one minute believe Kamala Harris is going to promote the necessary changes if elected.

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It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan

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@chambord

I don't for one minute believe Kamala Harris

..... about anything at all.

Bad

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crap out on the campaign trail?

Just curious.

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@Amanda Matthews but he is definitely going along with the imperialists.

This is not Bernie 2016--despite decades of voting progressively. After 40+ years of exposure, he has now been infected by the Potomac Plague>

Tulsi to the rescue--nah, Dem elites won't allow that--but she is making herself better known in advance of 2024.

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Your suggestions are all moving in the right direction, in my view.

Regarding the presentation of the issues, I agree it is important to simplify them on the website. Then provide ways the user can go deeper into more issues. But, as you say, presentations and the campaign should probably have limited leading issues — issues that Americans really want addressed. I like to push the idea that the entire point of forming a government is to benefit the People. There is no other reason. That is not happening in America at the moment and that is a disgrace. Instead our inheritance has been usurped by psychopaths who are throwing it down the black hole of war.

In my view, it is a good idea to start with the "vision". It's a powerful thing and it captures people's imaginations. They won't forget when you shows people exactly where you plan to lead them. For real. A good vision will spread.

Yet, campaign ads almost never lead with a bold and specific vision of the destination. (Probably for damn good reasons. "More of the same" and incrementalism are lousy visions.") Instead, ads generally lead with personality, resume, pithy quote on where they stand, a dog whistle or pointed smear, and a patriotic slogan. If there is a "vision" offered, it's invariably a line of coffins draped in American flags.

I noticed one Bernie ad that delivered a hard-working vision (edited start time):

Do other people feel that? Or is it just me?

Boldness and truth is a winner this time around. That includes socialism. Embrace it and offer immediate action — and then let the people reject it if they don't want that kind of life. Now is not the time to bury the lede. Own socialism and let the other candidates sell it for you. Let them denounce it and snatch the food out of People's mouths. Let them crush the People's dreams of living in a better society with their fake austerity. Socialism isn't going away.

Live the dream that Americans inherited. Bernie said something like that.

Great topic.

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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato

Was listening to snippets of it on KPFA radio yesterday that Reich gave a couple weeks ago in Berkeley. He mentioned conducting town halls for his political research in 2015, and at every town hall many individuals would mention being interested in both Bernie and Trump.

Reich said he found this very hard to understand because the two were at opposite ends of the political spectrum, and when he pressed for an explanation, people would always respond that those two would be able to "shake things up" in the establishment. The people didn't care who it was, just so someone would shake things up and change things. Reich realized from hearing it so much that Clinton was in trouble.

I think Bernie and Tulsi both have that quality--the impression that they would shake the establishment up. I think Tulsi has more of that vibe and has more cross-over appeal to the libertarian/Trump/Republican side than Bernie has coming from the military and denouncing wars (remember who denounced wars in 2015? Trump, who won!). Frankly, I think Tusli would wipe the floor with Trump if they were head to head. Bernie versus Trump would probably be a closer race.

My personal hope is that Tulsi pulls it off. If Bernie wins, though, I will support him. I'll take a great domestic policy even if his foreign policy isn't as good as Tulsi's. I, personally, can live with that. However, I'd be really disappointed if Bernie does not put Tulsi in a key position--VP, SOS, or Sec Defense--and just goes with Warren and establishment figures.

I fully respect people who would not support Sanders, though. We all need to make that decision--has a candidate really earned our vote. For me, Sanders has. But also for me, Tulsi is the best.

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@apenultimate If he is nominated, I might not vote for him unless Tulsi is his running mate. Otherwise, without a doubt, the Dim nominee will not be Bernie--TPTB will find some way to screw him over again. I am pessimistic about the Dem party entirely.

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@apenultimate

I don't agree with either of them on everything, I recognize that they're better than most Dems.

However, I'm one of those folks who can't see pulling the lever for anyone running under the auspices of the corporatist Dem Party.

Would like to see them run together on "third party" ticket. IMO, the best ticket would have Gabbard at top, Bernie as VP.

One can wish, I suppose.

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@Unabashed Liberal

Agreed about the Democratic Party. I voted Green the last two presidential elections. But, to me it's about the person and the policies. I think Tulsi or even Bernie has the potential to make a great president, whether they are Democratic or Independent.

Believe me, if either wins as a Democrat, the establishment members of the party will *loathe* either of them and it will be very interesting to watch.

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@apenultimate @apenultimate @apenultimate "Reich said he found this very hard to understand because the two were at opposite ends of the political spectrum" just don't get it.

They don't just not get it; I would go so far as to say that they are clueless.

First of all, the left and right overlap, especially when it concerns jobs and the preferential treatment of the wealthy. Second, the clueless people just don't understand the impact of genuineness in a candidate. With both Trump and Bernie, what you see is what you get. And with both, you get fighters.

BS (as in bullshit) just isn't as appealing anymore. Neither of them (Trump or Bernie) are mealy mouthed like most politicians are.

Just edited to add the info in ()

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dfarrah

@dfarrah

Sure, but this was 4 years ago that Reich said that, and I think he is fully clued in now (by the way he was talking in his speech, he seemed pretty understanding of things). It sometimes takes an event in one's life to come to realizations like that--Reich was just describing his event.

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@apenultimate note the date.

But plenty of people currently make similar comments.

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dfarrah

Eliminating this cap will fully fund it for years into the future. There is no cap on Medicare, currently 2.9% split between employer and employee, self employed pay both halves. The ACA adds an additional .9% on income above $250K for married and $200K for single taxpayers.

Eat tax the rich.

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@artisan
10 years. interesting.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

that concerns me about Bernie 2019 is a drift towards ID Pol.
https://youtu.be/Kjtd7zZ5DH4
TYT asked him what he'd do different this time & he went to the DKos playbook. Gag.

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chuck utzman

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he will have to sell or is already selling all the issues people supported him for in 2016. May be I think that way, because I don't hear his speeches anymore live.
Hard to 'feel the Bern' from over the pond.

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@mimi
When it comes to ‘selling out’ his platform and his supporters, Sanders sets the standard. Funniest part (in a very sad way), the Dims still HATE him and are going to do everything they can to neuter the old fool. Again.

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@Amanda Matthews

When it comes to ‘selling out’ his platform and his supporters, Sanders sets the standard.

I don't even know where to start, other than to ask "Have you seen virtually every other politician?"

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@gjohnsit
politician?? What does that have to do with Sanders betraying everything he campaigned on and then jumping on the ‘collusion train’?

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Amanda Matthews

Why do I have to see ‘virtually’ every other politician??

Because you said this: "When it comes to ‘selling out’ his platform and his supporters, Sanders sets the standard."
You are saying that Sanders is worse than everyone else. Hillary. Pelosi. Trump.
You are saying that Sanders is worse than all of them.

What does that have to do with Sanders betraying everything he campaigned on

Betrayed everything? MFA, Fight for $15, Free College, he threw them all aside?

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@gjohnsit
who believed in fair elections, the rule of the law, and that egregious lies and political malfeasance is important. That he held his tongue and got on board with the cheating and the lies to be able to run another day says there’s something seriously lacking in the man’s ‘character’.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Amanda Matthews
a fundamental difference of opinion.

We don't even have a pinch of common ground to start a debate with. So I'll leave it at that.

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@gjohnsit

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@gjohnsit
regards to Bernie Sanders and that is probably so, because I don't have the access to live TV in the US anymore and can not bother anymore to follow it independently from what I read here.

I feel disappointed about Sanders foreign policies and all the rest is ok. What I tried to express is my fear that he has to compromise in his campaign more than I would like to see him compromise. And being outside the US makes it irrelevant of what I think, understand or not understand anyhow. So, my apologies to Sanders and to you.

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The dem machine stopped looking at him as a joke, a foible to put their measured and moderate list of panderings against to look like the adults in the room.

Bernie got to run a campaign with friendly "allies", the DNC establishment. He got to experience the lying backstabbing pack of weasels that would do anything to win, no matter how low.

With both parties and the media against "socialist democrats", "democratic socialists" or the "extreme left wing" candidates it will be interesting. Especially since the left has the issues people want to see implemented.

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...WE ALREADY PAY FOR IT!!! Not only do we pay for it with the current system's cost to employers, employee premiums, co-pays, co-insurance, uncovered out-of-pocket care and taxes to pay for the care of the very poor, Walmart workers on Medicaid and the indigent, we still leave 25 million Americans without real health security. We can have Medicare for All, we can eliminate all point-of-care out-of-pocket expenses, we can cover everyone, we can relieve business of the burden of providing health insurance AND we can save money. Anyone who tells you any different is lying.

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I want my two dollars!

Our current medical costs could provide total care for all of our citizens twice over, if our costs were comparable to other developed nations, and the care would be better. My point here is that Tulsi and/or Bernie should stress medical reform. It would help to paint the picture of the insurance industry as a bunch of blood draining vampires. Another clear point should be made that costs in the US are so high that the industry is rationing care. We have short stays, minimum beds and almost no staff in hospitals here. My doctor has to limit procedures because the insurance company will not pay for it. So the solution for a very expensive health care system caused by a greedy few, is to limit health care for all of us.

Here's a personal anecdote:
As a comparison I was visiting a major Eurasian country and I had a bout of sinus infection. If I were a citizen, my costs would have been free. I had two x-rays, and three doctor visits, two with an otolarygologist and one with a Pneumonia specialist to rule that out. My total cost was $64 USD equivalent. From the time I called to the time I was diagnosed and was taking the 8 prescription drugs was less than 24 hours. I had the same flare-up in the US. My guess is that you know what happened. I had to call my primary care doctor and get an appointment the next week. Had to go to the x-ray lab in a different city. Then had to see a specialist, otolarygologist. She called in the prescription and I could pick it up the next day. Total calendar time was 12 days from first call to taking the two prescriptions. My co-pays were $100, $20 for PCP and $40 for each specialist visit. I saw the insurance bill -$3200. She would not do a follow up x-ray of my sinuses because the insurance company would not pay. I had a nasty post nasal drip for many weeks after that.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

@The Wizard on situations like yours is a huge cost burden.

Insurance companies and the burdens they impose have to account for at least 25% of overall health care costs.

I just spent a good 8-10 hours trying to get Rx for my Dad that needed "preauthorization." We changed drug companies this year because Aetna was not going to cover a Parkinson's drug. So, his Rx is now covered by United Healthcare - whose executives are paid millions, but they can't hire enough pre-auth employees to get the job done. (oh, and I'm still trying to get the RX)

Health care insurance companies are stealing our lives.

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@dfarrah

health is a huge waste of time and money. You are spending lots of time on getting your script for your dad and pharmacists have to spend lots of time on getting it authorized and then add in all the medical procedures that need authorization.... etc.. I worked in the medical field when HMOs became the new thing. I laughed when my doctor came back from a conference and told us how things would be changing. I laughed because it sounded so ridiculous, but her we are 3 decades later and it's getting worse. Ours was a eye clinic and there are a few things that are emergencies that need immediate treatment or the person goes blind. Our insurance person got on the phone to get it okay'd and the person just keeps saying no so now the doctor has to interrupt his time with another patient and explain why it needs to be done now. This is basically like a first grader grading papers on some professor in college. When people don't understand anatomy of the eye it shouldn't be the doctor's responsibility to educate them, but that's what happened.

And it gets between a doctor and the patient. Sure there are doctors out there that inflate the problem, but not as many as those that don't. I'm getting off target here, but this is why we need universal health care, not universal health insurance like some of the MFA people are wanting.

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@The Wizard

My point here is that Tulsi and/or Bernie should stress medical reform. It would help to paint the picture of the insurance industry as a bunch of blood draining vampires. Another clear point should be made that costs in the US are so high that the industry is rationing care. We have short stays, minimum beds and almost no staff in hospitals here. My doctor has to limit procedures because the insurance company will not pay for it. So the solution for a very expensive health care system caused by a greedy few, is to limit health care for all of us.

This is such an excellent point. Doctors that work for hospitals because they don't want to deal with insurance companies and office crap don't really know patient's medical history and often have time limits for how much time they can spend with people. The hospitals put so many restrictions on what meds and treatments people can have because it cuts into their profits. Same with insurance companies because they have to answer to their shareholders... and then people have to ration their meds because they can't afford them. I couldn't get one of mine because I didn't have an extra $4 one month. Imagine how people are not being able to afford their insulin and other meds because the drug companies keep raising prices. No restrictions were put on them when congress was debating the ACA. This piece of shit bill could have been so much better if congress wanted it to be. They didn't and here we are. Bankruptcies are still happening, but people can get help if enough people see their gfm and think their cause is worth throwing strangers some money.

I could go on all night, but I'm preaching to the choir here. F'ck Obama and the democrats for not even trying and the republicans too. Democrats let the republicans remove every piece in the ACA that was good.

Great comment, wizard!

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