WOW- really
Submitted by Borkrom on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:45pm
Just breaking, Clinton (Bill) really displays and says what he thinks about President Obama presidency and efforts during these last 7 years. Please click on the link.
This is just another example of the Cliniton's beliefs and policies of the current administration. Just crazy, why do people think Hilary will be a good president. It will be a train wreck. Wake up people!!!!
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Is this definitely recent
and not from the 2008 campaign? I can't make out the words and there is no context on the Youtube page.
Also the Fighting for Us sign doesn't look quite right -as if it has been layered onto the video.
Of course I could be completely wrong.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
The last 8 years, and the
The last 8 years, and the seven years before it. If this was in 08, then he would be talking Bush II and his own administration. I am almost certain this is recent.
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That is why I shared it
They are walking it back.
They weren't talking about Obama. They were talking about the GOP
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Good point
I couldn't make out the seven years part.
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He was speaking yesterday
3/21/2016, in Spokane WA before a few hundred people. A number of my friends attended Bernie was here the day before and spoke to 9,000 people.
Yes. I just posted this at the reddit subthread (hadn't
seen it here). It's getting play from the usual RW sources.
Remarks are from an event in Spokane, WA, today. Transcript of relevant statements here, from The Weekly Standard: http://www.weeklystandard.com/bill-clinton-trashes-obama-awful-legacy-of...
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Hillary is blanketing Western Washington
She is going to be in Everett, Puyallup, and in Seattle meeting with volunteers' supporters and caucus captains. Bill and Chelsea are also in the area...I thought they had this whole nominations sewn up. They seem to be a little worried.
And attending a pricey
fundraiser in Seattle with Costco Brotman per the SeattlePi. See Bill Clinton slams 'awful legacy of the last eight years' as Hillary comes to town Article is not really HRC friendly, I think.
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I amazed. Bill gave what I believe is the best closing
Argument for reelection that I have ever seen in 2012 at the convention. His line about leaving Obama a big mess and ridiculing him for not cleaning it up fast enough was brillant. His timing in the speech was nearly perfect and his tone was inspirational.
Fast forward 4 years and he seems to have lost nearly all of that charm and luster. I don't get it???
He just trashed the last 7 years of Obama without qualification and in the next breath lump those 7 years in with the previous 8.
Why can't he sell Hillary, like he did Obama?
I believe that the fact his legacy is being tarnished is subconsciously his main concern.
Because this election is an outlier
It's being driven heavily by anti-establishment sentiment. '08 tactics won't work with a "throw the bums out" national mood. She's one of the bums. Especially when, on the Dem side, the primary season is highlighting corruption in government made possible by the revolving door and undue corporate influence across industries. Bernie Sanders, of course, is the reason Hillary's big-bucks fundraising and speechifying are in the news and playing badly for her. Bill's having trouble finding anything that gains traction, even campaigning as if Hillary's already been nominated, per their '08 script. He doesn't handle frustration well.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Good question
Good question, I got it from this site.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/bill-clinton-trashes-obama-awful-legacy-of...
Please note it could have been made up since it from a right leaning news source, but this is where I found it (I read all things politics- good and not so ideal sites). It was suppose to be from an event today (Monday, March 21).
Of course I could be completely wrong as well. But thought I would share, but it would not surprise me.
If the verbiage is true
from that article, I could see Bill saying this. He lays the blame for 2008 at Bush's feet, and then the shitty "recovery" at Obama's. He is getting really weird lately, and he is in Spokane today. Also the line about "re-litigate the past" seems like a tell to me. He is trying to protect his own ass.
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You are right on point
Just amazed this type of crap is not even heard by anyone. Just makes me mad that this comment is okay or even acceptable.
Just imagine Bill being the first man. He would need handlers to prevent him from doing anything crazy or from getting out of line.
"re-litigate"....
Now WHERE have we all heard that before....?
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too bad I missed this comment earlier. I repeated it below
we can see how it's coordinated while others want an actual sworn and notarized affadavit before they'll believe it. And maybe not even then.
GMTA.... ;-)
It just kinda leapt right out at me...
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Every reference to this clip on Google...
is coming from the Right. I have been trying to find the entire speech but so far, no luck.
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The "Left" has been notified
No Speaking Ill Of The Clintons!
Kos is just a symptom of a broader edict. They know the email/server/Clinton Foundation shit is about to hit the fan and three weeks ago they fanned out across every left leaning outlet and made themselves clear.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
It says he spoke at Spokane and said this today
The Weekly Standard is a right wing rag, but unless they doctored the video (always a possibility) it is a very bad look for him. To be honest he hasn't looked all that on top of his game lately. He has heart issues that can effect one's mood. So his real feelings about Obama coming out would not surprise me one iota.
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I spent some time trying to find a non-RW source, and The
Weekly Standard is the most respectable (from a D perspective) I came up with. That's the link I posted at the reddit subthread. From what I can see, it's genuine. Also being spun hard from the right, but sheesh, Bill, wtf? That's like Hillary thinking it would ever be a good idea to bark like a dog with cameras rolling. It's that judgment thing. These are supposed to be experienced pols. The're SELLING that experience. They know how the opposition uses words and images; they have experience doing that themselves.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Interesting, isn't it?
As I just mentioned above (and in a theme with what I posted at Kossacks_for_Sanders), Kos is just a symptom of a broader edict. They know the email/server/Clinton Foundation shit is about to hit the fan and three weeks ago they fanned out across every left leaning outlet and made themselves clear. All Left Leaning outlets have been put on notice - no speaking ill of the Clintons after 3/15.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Blasphemy101's
point about the timeline is a good one so it appears to be legit. - (I couldn't make that part out). The video seems pretty damning unless the segment has been pulled completely out of context.
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This is not going to go over well
with Obama supporters. Wow. What a monumental fuck up.
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I know that is why I posted it
I just do not understand how anyone can support her campaign.
Well he didn't really say anything about why they were awful.
Did he?
A major talking point of the Clinton faithful has been that Sanders attacked a popular President and so he's on the wrong side of the Democratic Party. Well, there goes that.
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The relevant remarks (don't know about wider context)
"But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her. Because she's the only person who basically has good ideas, will tell you how she's going to pay for them, can be commander-in-chief, and is a proven change maker with Republicans and Democrats and Independents alike." http://www.weeklystandard.com/bill-clinton-trashes-obama-awful-legacy-of...
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Okay, that's pretty damning
I couldn't really understand the audio so I thought perhaps it was referring to Iraq and Afghanistan. Then again, Hillary supported both of those. She also supported the PATRIOT Act and the current War on (Non-White) Terror.
Is he referring to Republican obstruction?
It is 24 seconds ripped out of context.
Not a Hillary fan, but my bullshit meter says he would never talk about Obama like this.
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
I don't know how
a Democrat can say "the awful legacy of the last eight years" when stumping for a candidate for POTUS, in any context, without it being seen as dismissive of the current POTUS as, at the very least, weak.
What you do is say something about continuing the fight against Republican congressional obstructionism, with a courteous tip of your hat to the current office holder.
This also must be seen in the context of other massive fuck-ups, such as the AIDS/Reagan thing.
I wonder what major sector of potential voters they'll piss off next week.
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While it looks bad
I don't need a right wing videosnip to persuade me Bill has some verbal issues these days, but I am not going to accept such as proof that he is pissed at Obama as his wife tries to get his fan club to support her.
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
I appreciate the dodginess of the context
But there was a lot of bad blood back there in 2008, and it's hugely tone deaf not to treat this with sensitivity.
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Agreed Muddy
I'm all in for Bernie, but I'm guessing Bill Clinton was talking about the Rethug obstructionism of the last 7 years and the mess of GWB's prior 8 years. It seems that he transposed and misspoke. Horribly. We're not used to seeing Bill Clinton give an unclear, rambling, confusing speech. Maybe Hillary is rubbing off on him.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Obviously
The legacy of Republicans when dominating Congress and when serving as POTUS is horrible. So you could argue that he left out "Republicans," but currently HRC is running against Sanders, not a Republican. So one way or the other, he's saying she can do better than Obama, even if the intended context was to say she could fight them better than Sanders could. Sanders didn't have much to do with the legacy of the last eight years. The message then becomes "the legacy of the last eight years was awful and Obama couldn't stop that from happening and Sanders wouldn't be able to either but HRC could." Did he explain why, other than some stuff about how she always gets stuff done and leaves people happy? Pretty thin fare imho.
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I suspect that it's another sign that Bill's frustrated and
angry, that he's not the polished pol he used to be. He's off his game and willing to shoot from the hip--and risk hitting his foot or Hillary's. Just one thought.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
IMHO, it depends upon 'who' his intended
audience was.
Does anyone know?
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain that Bill & Hill have license, so to speak, to savage 'O' before certain audiences, so long as their shared goal is to win votes for FSC, since she supposedly will carry on 'O's' legacy.
(according to some in the MSM, that is)
That's part of the problem with corporatist neoliberals--they speak with forked tongues!
I'm wondering if WJC is addressing either a very 'Hillary-friendly' audience of fundraisers/donors (One Percent crowd), or maybe a bunch of unionists (who are not particularly Obama-friendly).
Also, some of the national campaign reporters I hear routinely hear on the POTUS channel (XM radio), say that he's definitely lost some of his 'mojo.'
IOW, that's he a shell of his former self regarding his political 'genius,' and that his physical appearance has gone downhill. (They are always careful to cite his past heart problems, and his weight loss due to (I believe) a vegetarian diet.
(BTW, I'm a vegetarian, so I'm definitely not knocking it.)
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Maybe?
Maybe this is Bill pushing back against Obama for walking back what looked like an endorsement of Hillary last week? They're nothing if not vindictive to anyone who doesn't openly support them.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
News story now saying he is walking it back
"what I meant to say..." How many times are they going to get away with this?
Maybe they'll let him reshoot it.
And he can talk about how he created a great economy which the Republicans destroyed...
You know...
Standard MSM Bullshit.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Right
"What I meant to say, is Obama better fucking get behind a Hillary nomination right fucking now or I keep making this same 'mistake.'"
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Watching it again
that could well be a possibility -wonder if the whole video is available anywhere?
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Here is what USA Today had...
It has more of the speech and better sound. Audience is awful quiet.
[video:https://youtu.be/o9bsP2As3uc]
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Big Dog is full of it
His trashing of the Bush and Obama administrations takes a lot of nerve since the Clinton two fer laid the ground work for the 'New Democratic' DLC party to totally trash the economy not to mention held the place for the next Iraq invasion. In the process how many children did his sanctions kill? He is up to his old tricks but it's just not believable as we have lived through this. I don't really care about the gaffe the whole clip makes me sick. What a lame pitch to vote for Hillary. Together my ass. Unity seems to be the flavor they are selling this primary and if you step out of line your a Dr. Commie Rat.
I trash Obama's administration frequently but I have a feeling the Billary's would be even worse as they are the epitome of corruption and love bloody endless global war and pillaging. No re- litigation means business will continue. I like how he flung the dreaded Growth in there. Slick Willie seems to have lost his sheen and charm. How stupid do these arrogant rulers of the universe think we are. I guess it doesn't matter as they seem to have found a way to circumvent the democratic process regardless of which party or pol they put in power. They don't call this disaster capitalism for nothing, not did they call Bill Poppy's other son for nothing.
USA Today picked it up...
but otherwise so far just right-wing sites. Here is the quote:
Bill Clinton knocks Obama’s ‘awful legacy’
USA Today is claiming it was a gaffe. I am still wondering though about the "seven years" as I am pretty sure that GWB served all eight years. On top of that he comments on the "no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash" which was a direct result of his policies. Too bad people cannot put two and two together.
Guess we have to wait to see if any major outlets pick it up and what their excuses will be.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Well it depends on what your definition of...
"Awful" and "Legacy" is.
This is the point when you don't bother letting Slick Willie try to weasel his way out of inadvertently telling the TRUTH.
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Gaffe machine
Gaffe, LMAO. How can a campaign have some many gaffes and not be held accountable- just freaking bull shit!
Not a gaff
Retribution against Obama for walking back the NYTs article that said he endorsed Hillary to donors.
No one is too large to escape the Wrath of the Clintons.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
talking points spotted!
Says Bill:
I'd never heard that particular phrase in normal conversation, outside of lawyer talk about actual legal cases and issues. So when we hear it from Bill AND we get it in a famous diary from a Democratic subordinate (as in "re-litigating the primaries") then it seems clear to me that said lackey was given his talking points in a coordinated campaign.
One could argue his last year he was pretty gone already lol
But I think he looks tired, he;s rambling and going on, and not really too aware of what he is saying.
The whole dates thing is just weird.
On the other hand I'm sure no one in the media will care enough to make a big deal about it.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Sorry
I don't believe it was a gaff for one second. I think they believe they'll have the nomination, can beat Trump, and it was a warning shot at Obama fort failing to come out and endorse Hillary. Remember it was just last week that the Obama White House was walking back the NYTs story about a supposed endorsement to donors?
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
I agree it is a gaffe
But I am still at a loss as to wtf he is talking about. Maybe he has been speaking at $225,000 per pop saying not much of anything for too long. But I still don't think he is trashing Obama. Or at least, he didn't mean to. Honestly. Maybe he inhaled this time -
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
Thanks for the laugh...inhaled
his own ego. The comment about the past eight years is probably what he truly believes. However, the gaffe is that he did not mean to say it on the campaign trail and is very likely what he has been saying at fundraisers.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
The Walk Back...
So far, I have only found this 4WWL, a CBS station from Louisiana.
Nice try. The word "legacy" doesn't usually replace "Republican obstructionism." I will have to check the 1984 glossary.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Here's the Pitch...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dalrphHivOs]
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Too funny
Your comments are too funny "You make me laugh"
I developed a very Snarky sense of humor over at TOP
Mostly as a self-defense tactic.
It's much more fun when I can just be funny as opposed to turning my humor to the dark side of trying to make a point deniable...
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No he is speaking in Washington State
He doesn't have many friends here. We are a pretty pissed off democratic state with 110 delegates. Last I knew Washington was going 53.6% for Bernie. But the possibility of a blow out for him here is good. The fact that Bills actions as president damaged our state tremendously and we are still suffering because of them accounts for his statements about the past.
He does seem to have one friend.
The Spokane media at KXLY skipped over it entirely. Interesting, though, that most of the quotes they do have could have come from a Sanders' speech.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Unlike the national news
Our local news reports on Bernie very often. Bill is very divisive here. He gets the typical Bernie treatment. Will be curious if his speech is covered in Vancouver. Bernies was broadcast in its entirety at 5 pm last night on the NBC affiliate.
New Washington State resident
I will be caucusing for Bernie on Saturday. I am hoping he carries the state by a wide margin.
He had rally of at least 15,000 people in Seattle on Sunday and no mention of it by the main stream media.
The info in link below should make you feel good
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4beuja/bernie_mad... [made me feel good, as a Sanders supporter, and I'm not a WA resident]
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Thanks
For sharing.
I hope he does well also
Bernies speech in Vancouver was broadcast on KATU out of Portland last night. Different station owners I suspect....
Ouch
Another misspeak.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2cxtPWMHg]
Progressive to the bone.
Deceptively edited video
Apparently even the Bernie campaign was fooled by this deceptively edited video. Rule of thumb: if right-wing sources are peddling a short video that purports to show a Dem or progressive saying something damaging, do NOT assume it's a good faith effort to spread the truth. Assume they doctored the video!
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Check on usatoday
Same link is on USA today site. So I guess it got them too.
Check on usatoday
Same link is on USA today site. So I guess it got them too. Sorry to be a little snarky. Just seen it other places as well. So he had a "gaffe".
The Deception Masters
beat at their own game? It is also currently on CNN and Huffington along with their excuses.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass