It's nice to know that some things don't change at the WashPost

Remember that time in 2016 when the Washington Post ran 16 negative stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours?

So what did the WashPost do when they were called out for their bias? They defended it.
To give you an idea of how heavy the negative bias was at the WashPost and how much of an effect it had, look at this NYPost article.
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The Bernie Sanders candidacy didn’t die a natural death — it was murdered. And the murder weapon has the fingerprints of the Washington Post all over it.

That’s the contention of the much-respected progressive writer Thomas Frank (author of the beloved-by-the-left book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?”) in an evisceration of the media’s role in taking down Sanders that will be the cover story of the November issue of Harper’s.

Frank went through every one of hundreds of opinion pieces published in the Washington Post on Sanders and Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic nomination for president, during primary season, from January to May 2016, and found a stark disparity in coverage. Sanders pieces took a negative tone by a ratio of 5 to 1, whereas opinion pieces on Clinton were about evenly split between favorable and unfavorable.
...Frank cites headlines that ran over opinion pieces that said things like, “NOMINATING SANDERS WOULD BE INSANE” (days before the Iowa caucuses) and “A CAMPAIGN FULL OF FICTION” (the same week). Columnist Charles Lane ridiculed Sanders for suggesting that he was fighting against “the billionaire class” that largely seems comfortable with a Hillary Clinton presidency while other writers castigated Sanders for lacking a serious plan to tackle the deficit (as though Hillary Clinton has one either).

With that in mind, how do you think the Washington Post has covered the new Sanders campaign in the 24 hours since his announcement yesterday?

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At this point can the Washington Post even be considered journalism? Or is it more like the print edition of DKos?

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@gjohnsit
Jeff Bezos is the owner of the WaPo. End of story.

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"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson

@bobswern

Sanders campaign even mentions Amazon in their first 2020 tv ad...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ZgJagAiHimk]

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@bobswern

the institutional perfidy and entrenched corruption predated Bezos' presence; as with Trump, Bezos has done a smashing job of revealing it.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Bezos has been at Amazon...

since day 1. So, in this instance--at least as far as Amazon's concerned--he created, "nurtured" and owns the company's entire, messed-up culture. In other words, he IS Amazon.

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@bobswern

I knew Bezos was at Amazon from day 1. At this point, I suspect Amazon itself of being a CIA op., designed to reorganize our economy in a way more pleasing to the elites.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@gjohnsit @gjohnsit
...over "there" in May 2016. Johnson is/was the editor-in-chief of FAIR.org:

Washington Post Squeezes Four Anti-Sanders Stories
Out of One Tax Study Over Seven Hours
(5/11/16)

It's estimated that Amazon Web Services has grossed a minimum of at least a couple of BILLION dollars from the CIA's budget, alone, to manage a large chunk of that Agency's I.T. services over the past few years; never mind the other U.S. government agencies that AWS services!

Then again, Bezos is building his new (Amazon) HQ2 just down the road from the Pentagon and the CIA, as we speak! I mean: Where else would the wealthiest person in the world take control of a town in this country, other than its capital? Let's get real here, folks!

They might as well rename it Bezos (freakin') City!!! Maybe put his picture on the American flag, while we're at it!

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@bobswern
One would think that a spy agency would have it's own IT services.

I posted once on warship design and how it appears the designers never thought their ships would see combat, so it was all just for the profit.

Apparently, the spy agencies feel their only real adversary is the American public,

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness
U.S. intelligence services. In fact, companies like Palantir (and many others) are actually partially owned by intelligence-services-related entities; not to mention that they flat-out own In-Q-Tel, a major venture capital/private equity firm.

Google is yet another example.

Here's a list of 14 "cutting edge" I.T. firms at least partially owned by the CIA.

'nough said?

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@bobswern

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

Those targets being acquired by the software are people who could present a present or future threat to national security. As you notice, the initial algorithm selects many hundreds of thousands of "threats" to kill.

Captain America uploads a more accurate algorithm.

I think this script accounts for Cap's transformation, in later movies, into an enemy of the state. Unfortunately, after that development, Captain America t-shirts started popping up everywhere, after which Cap was rewritten, in the comics, as always having been a Hydra agent.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@bobswern

but I believe Bezos to be a CIA asset, which makes the placement of his new digs quite appropriate.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
...are, at least to some extent, government assets, in general. This is a highly-documented fact of life in this country. See my comment, above.

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They can point to all the articles before hand and say "SEE, he never had a chance, we all knew it, shut up and vote for Hillary or else Trump wins."

Two years later, and it's like all the cheating, lying and general garbage didn't happen. Because as far as the MSM is concerned, it didn't happen.

They see only the threat of Heresy... and that has only one response.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmqgRAXygDg]

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

down on the same kind of anti-Sanders/pro-anointee crap they did/used in 2014-16 primary season, plus come up with new anti-Sanders/pro-anointee crap.

What I want to know: What has the Sanders campaign done differently this time so far and what is it planning to do differently going forward?

One definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior ahd expecting a different result.

(frequently mis-attributed to Einstein)

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@HenryAWallace

Asking for our money in the ABSENCE of not addressing the fraudulent election of 2016.

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@Anja Geitz

position our lovely courts took. However, I very much care about what, if anything, is being done differently this time to avoid the result we got last time.

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@HenryAWallace

. . . as I'm not in communication with the campaign, but there is a way to bypass all of the hurdles. Even to turn those hurdles into assets.

In 2016, with just as little coverage, Bernie drew tens of thousands of people to his rallies. It was the story of the campaign, along with the $27 donations. That was when Bernie was "unknown."

Now he's known, indisputably known, and the reaction is stronger, if that first day of fundraising is any measure. And now as well, Bernie's campaign has mailing lists they did not have in early 2016.

As for the Washington Post, et al., the solution is to shame them. Not because that would change what they do, but because it will change what the audience does. Use those mailing lists, or an ad buy that $6million will more than cover, to broadcast the message

"You wouldn't know from reading the Washington Post, or listening to MSNBC or CNN, because they won't tell you, but Bernie is stepping up for you, to bring your needs, your hopes to the national discussion again. Tell your friends. And let the Post and MSNBC and CNN know you know. Then pass by the gatekeepers, never to look back. This national conversation will take place in your home, in your workplace, on the sidewalks and squares of America, face-to-face, live, in real time, everywhere, evermore. This is your America, not the media's. Together, we'll be taking it back."

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@dance you monster

But we shouldn't have to be in direct communication with the campaign to be assured that our contributions to their campaign along with our votes will not be subverted by the same electoral fraud we saw in 2016.

I also do not think it's unreasonable for us to require an explanation from Sanders campaign as how they will ensure our votes will be counted if they are asking for our money.

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@Anja Geitz

I don't think Sanders has much control over whether he's going to get cheated again, and if that's a deal-breaker for you, then hold onto your money.

I also am not convinced that playing in any rigged game, such as the American political arena, makes much sense, but I'm not going to insist or even try to coax anyone else to forsake voting, nor do I think anyone else should.

Everyone needs to read what he or she reads in the tea leaves that are in that cup in front of us, and make whatever choices of action or inaction one deems right for those they care about. Not what's right for them, but what's right for the least among us.

My comments here about strategy are only the observations of someone who's seen a race or two, and took notes.

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@dance you monster

Sometimes knowing you're being heard helps disarm the defensiveness that goes with the cynicism left over from 2016. But as I said to gjohnsit upthread, we are a family here after all and basically want the same things in the end. Seems counterproductive to be at cross purposes with our own allies.

Still, it is quite a pickle we progressives find ourselves in, isn't it?

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@dance you monster

. . . like what Trump did, it's because that's very much what he did. It's a basic thing. People, at least people who have any other choice, don't vote for the person who preaches at them "We'll never, ever have single-payer" or "We're capitalists, and that's just the way it is." They will vote for the person who identifies with the voter, who feels what they feel (or in Trump's case, claims to, when his opponent could never credibly claim that). To win, you don't tell the voter what to think or do; you join the voter to fight for what's best for that voter. It's so basic that the most inappropriate and improbable candidate to make that argument -- Trump -- won with it. For Bernie, who's always been doing this, it's what galvanized those crowds in 2016.

The character of identifying the opposition would be different. It wouldn't be Trump's lying liberal media ganged up against white workers; it would be conspiratorial corporate 0.01%-er media holding down all workers, all the powerless, all the minorities, all the future generations who think America should be theirs, too.

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@HenryAWallace

What has the Sanders campaign done differently this time so far and what is it planning to do differently going forward?

Bernie 2019 is a national brand with a nationwide campaign structure and a national track record, unlike 2015. Those are huge differences.

As for going forward, I don't know. We'll see.

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@gjohnsit

Before Bernie asks us for money?

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@Anja Geitz

It can't be addressed, because it can't be admitted. Bernie can't possibly state in public that the Democratic party in general, and the Clintons and their allies in particular, cheated him, even in the presence of blatant evidence of same. To state such things would be political suicide. Neither the Clintons nor either party nor the media can be criticized in such a manner if one wants to stay in the mainstream.

For that matter, there is a cultural amnesia about the two fraudulent Bush "elections," even on places like the Jimmy Dore show. People talk about Democrats voting for Bush, the absurdity and perfidy of the electoral college, etc., all of which are important issues, but neither of which is the reason Bush "won."

You can't talk in the mainstream about election fraud unless you're raving about Russia.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@gjohnsit

Elsewhere on this board, I noted that, this time, at least people will not be asking "Who is Bernie Sanders?" That was my shorthand way of saying he has made huge inroads on the name recognition issue, which is another way of saying what you are saying. So, I know that is something different from 2014-16.

However, the national brand difference exists because Bernie ran last time and has remained visible and vocal since last time. It is not anything the 2020 Sanders campaign did to counter the unfairness that media, the DNC and the state parties wrought last time. I am among those who believe that, but for that unfairness (which includes so many kinds of behaviors) Bernie would have been the nominee last time, despite the initial near absence of recognition. So, unless all that unfairness is addressed this time, I see the same outcome as last time.

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@HenryAWallace

So, unless all that unfairness is addressed this time, I see the same outcome as last time.

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@Anja Geitz

only once (also volunteered, donated a bundle of my own money and raised over $15,000 from others, but it was that damn two-click deficiency that handed the 2016 primary victory to Hillary).

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@HenryAWallace

the investment you and many others put into something we all believed in only to watch a corrupt political system silence our constitutional rights to be heard. My Sister and I campaigned for Bernie here in California as well as working within our communities to raise money for Bernie's campaign.

To date, the State of California still has not counted my vote for Bernie.

Perhaps it's a failing in me personally that I am unable to forget the injustice of 2016 and saddle up for another round of electoral fraud in an effort to show solidarity with those who believe we must keep trying. I'd probably be a lot more popular if I could.

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@Anja Geitz
And if there was another game in town, I'd be for ditching this train wreck.

But there isn't another realistic party/political system.

So we're left with making the best of a bad situation, or giving up and letting it roll over you.

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@gjohnsit

I think for the first time I understand a little better why you and others are still fighting. I can and do respect that.

In sympathy, I think in the future my comments, even if I disagree, will reflect that respect. My apologies if in the past I have been less than charitable in my response to your sentiments.

We are, after all, a family on this blog and want the same things. Doesn't make sense to be, as JtC has often said, intolerant of dissenting views how we will get there.

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@Anja Geitz I'm going to try to do the same.

I'm also among the disillusioned and disenfranchised former Bernie supporters who gave hundreds of dollars I couldn't afford, volunteered at campaign HQ, and did everything I personally could to educate others about his platform.

After 2016, I can't stomach going through it again. It's a weird contradiction for me: I am honestly uplifted, all over again, by his candidacy, his message, and his enthusiastic grassroots support. But I just can't support this corrupt duopoly of ours. I can't give Bernie any more of my money, or my vote, knowing the DNC can basically rob it of him, and us. Not to mention the rest of it.

I do understand that this is my own position and I won't try to force it on anyone.

However, I'm also discouraged (as Big Al has pointed out) by the fact that the horse-race will now suck all of the air out of any chance to meaningfully reform our political system.

Maybe it simply doesn't matter. Forty percent of the world's insects are about to go extinct. We have 12 years 'til climate disaster and -- without meaningful political change -- that's not getting addressed. So we may as well enjoy what we can, huh?

(So much for staying positive ... sigh).

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@WaterLily

I cannot even read about what is happening with climate change because it terrifies me so. I am not proud of that but merely mention it because I wanted to respond in kind to your own honesty about participating/not participating in the electoral process.

I am still terribly bitter and cynical about the entire political process and often express that cynicism sarcastically and combatively. But it's going to be a long election cycle, and after having a few of these go rounds with divineorder, I honestly regret I wasn't more gracious with his sincerity. I dunno. I'm still sorting things out on that account. I know I'm not going to be participating in this election, but I also know that's a decision I'm making through the filter of a life time of my own experiences. So how come I can't allow others their own filter without it threatening my own? Well, the answer is I can. So in that way, I am beginning to understand why people feel completely DIFFERENT than I do about the best way forward.

More importantly, I've invested many years discussing, learning, disagreeing, and laughing alongside many people here when we were all over at TOP. And frankly, those personal experiences outweigh the overall argument about participating or not participating (and why in Gods name would anyone feel compelled to participate after 2016!?!) I can do nothing about.

Thank you so much for your honesty. You encouraged me to be honest too.

In solidarity.

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@Anja Geitz @Anja Geitz You're right; human connections should trump all else.

Love Trumps Hate.

(And by the way, Hill, we all know you stole that from Bernie. Like everything else.)

I so appreciate all of the many honest, and respectful, discussions that happen here.

[Edited because my original title referenced a gender binary I don't personally subscribe to. But old language habits die hard, apparently].

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@Anja Geitz

I'm still fighting to keep the memory of Bush's frauds alive.

Funny how a political culture so concerned about racism could forget the 21st-century update of Jim Crow.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@HenryAWallace

It is not anything the 2020 Sanders campaign did to counter the unfairness that media, the DNC and the state parties wrought last time.

Literally nothing. At least not without enforcing anti-trust laws.

But a couple things have happened about the DNC: super-delegate reform and push toward grassroots fundraising.

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@HenryAWallace
Voters in California know that they shouldn't register as independents because then they can only vote for some Independent Party that no one knew existed.

And for another, young voters in Iowa and Nevada know the rules now.

When you have been cheated, you can grump about it and sit in the corner and sulk. Or you can vow revenge. I know what I pick. YMMV.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

Revenge would be great, but unless you know any top-notch coders with a deep understanding of our electoral system, the major players who manipulate it, and the security they have to keep it under their control, I'm not sure how you're going to get revenge. And if you do know people like that, you shouldn't talk about it here!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
I was actually thinking of the usual reactions of two of my grandsons.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I'll be interested to hear how the outcome this time will be different.

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@Anja Geitz will be surrounded by even more police, and very afraid of Bernie Bros when she hears a chair go clunk. Then there's Debbi Wassermann Schultz being even more Wassermann Schultzy. We know who the enemies are this time. So does Bernie. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...etc.

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@Snode

...this time around. For starters, he has someone (highly-respected) from Pelosi's staff running his campaign.

If you want to win in this country, you have no choice but to play the game. And, when it comes to Bernie, who's about as steadfast in his beliefs as it will ever get in this twisted country, I'm OK with this. And, no, he's NOT a sell-out. He's doing what he needs to do to WIN this time around, as he himself has noted in the past few days. As far as I'm concerned, I'm OK with that. As for all of you puritans out there, well that's your choice to make; or, rant about. But, reiterating, I have yet to know of any successful politician in this country that's held to their beliefs and been more consistent about them as Bernie Sanders. THAT, in and of itself, is highly admirable, to say the least! (And, it's one of the main reasons why I'm vociferously behind his candidacy!)

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@bobswern
As are many more activists now. It will be more difficult to gloss over now despite MSM efforts. More eyes on the process and more ways to make end-runs against media black-outs.

I believe that Senator Sanders' call for "an unprecedented grassroots campaign of 1 million active volunteers, in every state in our country" is a big part of his plans to meet disinformation and cheating head on. He will have a list of connected and informed activists to implement the "Bernie Rapid Response" strategy.

So my expectation is that he isn't "rolling over" but has a good pro-active plan to anticipate and counter such moves.

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@OzoneTom

and, not speaking to print media coverage, I can assure folks that Bernie was anything but blacked out of Cable News media during the 2016 election cycle.

No candidate that I know of had anywhere near the face time that he enjoyed--except for DT, before he fell out of favor, and quit giving interviews (except with Fox). That would include regularly appearing as a Guest on all of the Cable news, and major broadcast network political shows on Sundays. (We listen to all of them in replay on C-Span Radio Channel, beginning at 11:00 a.m. every Sunday.) Heck, at times, I posted links to the transcripts from these interviews, usually at EB.

We're also C-Span junkies, and heard many, if not all, of his rallies--on replay, if not live, on the C-Span XM radio channel. And, we watched [online] every Republican Party Presidential debate, as well as all of the Dem Party debates.

Not sure that I'll be able to follow the coverage as closely this cycle, but, if it helps, I'll happily start posting notice of his Cable and Sunday show interviews, as I hear them, this election cycle.

Somehow, it appears that it's become an urban legend that Bernie was 'shut out' of TV coverage during the Presidential election cycle--which is absolutely balderdash.

[Not to pick on you, OT. I've seen this claim, more times than I can count. It is unfounded. I'm 'guessing' that some progressive writer put out this talking point, since so many folks appear to be convinced that this was the case.]

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@Unabashed Liberal
By referring to "black-out" I wasn't trying to make any claim about the coverage two years ago during the 2016 election. My comments reflected my thoughts on the current campaign.

What I was indicating when I wrote that was more along the lines of the selective coverage seen in the last few days with some major outlets burying news such as the amount and breadth of support the Senator received immediately upon announcing.

It's the daily, ongoing placement and other forms of editorial bias in the major outlets that I expect to be countered by an active, connected base of activists he is organizing this year. If the campaign is better at countering opposition framing that will be a big plaus.

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@OzoneTom

referring to Bernie's run in 2015/2016. Sorry 2

BTW, no argument out of me that, in the past, he's been on the receiving end of unfavorable/terribly biased coverage in print media. And, I imagine that many so-called mainstream journalists will have their knives sharpened for him, again.

Have a good weekend!

Mollie

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@Unabashed Liberal
I always look forward to seeing your comments here and am happy to have the opportunity to interact.

BTW, on the topic of biased coverage -- just this AM I ran across this new Bloomberg piece:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-25/fired-up-iowans-want-...

All of the following declared or prospective candidates are named in this order: Harris, Booker, Warren, Klobuchar, Brown, Gillibrand, Buttigieg, Yang, Delaney, Williamson, Bennet, Bullock, and Hickenlooper.

No mention of Sanders, Gabbard or Biden. I expect Sanders and Gabbard to be routinely "disappeared." Biden I believe they don't really expect to enter the race unless needed to clear some of the lanes.

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@bobswern

If you want to win in this country, you have no choice but to play the game

He's got someone from Nancy Pelosi's staff, huh? Is that analogous to Obama's cabinet appointments after the financial crisis?

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@Anja Geitz I think this definitively puts to bed any lingering fantasies that Bernie will do anything but play Democratic inside politics. He's not going to defect at the convention, in other words.

I also find it interesting that I'm being called a "puritan" on this site. I don't say this to incite a pie fight, but give me a freaking break. That kind of sentiment is exactly what I'd expect from the Kos Kids.

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@WaterLily

I also find it interesting that I'm being called a "puritan" on this site.

Along with employing the word "rant" to describe the nature of our concerns, observations, critiques, etc,.

I'll PM you to rant, er, I mean discuss further.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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But with DKos, you can't even wrap fish, so totally useless.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

Shahryar's picture

With a headline that doesn't really fit the article. Bernie's not for doing away with the filibuster. The headline: " Bernie whiffs on day one"

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@Shahryar @Shahryar
and guess what?

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Didn’t research the veracity of it but was on Reddit and attributed to Current Affairs, who incidentally have an excellent podcast:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/aseij5/fuck_it_mask_off_lets_ditch_the_prestige_prose/

In another essay Hawkfish said there was no mention at all on the front page of today’s NYT about Bernie’s fundraising juggernaut kicking into gear upon his announcement yesterday.

The craven MSM is battening down the hatches early, as planned. If it continues this way maybe this’ll be the ultimate case for their final discrediting.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

@Mark from Queens
So if we kill those three people and distribute their wealth, everyone will have twice as much.

they should be very afraid.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

The Aspie Corner's picture

...all the way to a lush mansion somewhere. Hey, it worked for Ron Paul, so why not Bernie, right?

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

@The Aspie Corner
I hate to use any terminology from TOP, but you just used right-wing talking points.

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Do you think the political establishment is just pretending to hate him? That this is just a scam?

I really don't want to start an argument, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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@gjohnsit Even should he win, the capitalist pigs will do all they can to make sure any policies he proposes will never see the light of day.

If Sanders is serious this time, he damn well better challenge the fuckers in a meaningful way. Unless and until he does that, he's just a fluffer for the Democrat wing of the Capitalist Party.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

@The Aspie Corner

Even should he win, the capitalist pigs will do all they can to make sure any policies he proposes will never see the light of day.

It would be nearly impossible for him to overturn the establishment.

But at the same time, he could still get some of those things done, and make it extremely difficult for the pigs.

I personally believe that he is authentic. He's no socialist, but he's a New Deal Democrat.

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@gjohnsit

It would be nearly impossible for him to overturn the establishment.

But at the same time, he could still get some of those things done, and make it extremely difficult for the pigs.

Congress would never allow him to nominate or confirm anyone who isn't in the pocket of capitalist interests. Hell, they wouldn't even hold any kind of hearing for Merrick Garland, and he was on their side.

If he really wanted to make things difficult he'd call for a nation-wide general strike. Something like that would hit the capitalist interests where it hurts.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@The Aspie Corner

is motivated by greed. If you're a DC politician and you want the bucks, challenging Hillary in any way, shape or form is not the way to get them.

There's actual evidence that Bernie's behavior arose in response to threats. Few people like that interpretation of his behavior, and mentioning it generally elicits anger both from Bernie supporters and Bernie detractors, but it is one of the few explanations for which we have fairly solid corroborating evidence.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

The Aspie Corner's picture

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal by Billary's goons? He certainly looked like it when he conceded the nomination so I could certainly see him being under threat from the fuckers. Be that as it may, I don't see him presenting any meaningful challenge to the party or the capitalist interests who hold them by the balls this year either.

If there's one thing this whole clusterfuck has proven, it's that electoral politics have been rendered moot by capitalist interests. Sure, they might be entertaining in some sickening reality tv sort of way but that doesn't make it useful.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner

He's only a threat in the sense that they feel threatened by anybody saying anything that doesn't completely toe their line.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Democrats need to be wary of manipulation
Still beating the dead horse and blaming us for Her loss.

Am I conscious Russian operative or just a dupe? Or a Comsymp? Inquiring minds (and Roy Cohn) want to know!

Does anyone have the link for direct donation to Bernie?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

This is what some people were saying yesterday.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

O'Riley.

veal-meet pen.

Do I gotta list the reasons. . . ?

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

when it made a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar deal with the CIA. Thank you, Jeff Bezos, for making it perfectly clear what the Post is, and what you are.

As Jimmy Dore says, "Democracy Dies in Darkness" isn't a warning, it's a mission statement.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver