Markos on Press the Meat

But first there's this..

Todd starts the conversation off with saying that the Green New Deal is socialism and is the country ready for this? Let's kill the deal before it gets started by calling it socialism

One woman on the panel explained how bad climate change is going to be with the loss of millions of lives and billions in crop damage and the loss of ocean front homes... then a dude cuts her off and said that the GND is a major pothole for democrats and then said something about going back to identity politics.

The green news deal is a major pothole for democrats. The woman explained how bad climate change is going affect the world with millions dying and billions in ocean front homes being destroyed and the dude says abortion and

Markos on messaging. "Yes We can is a positive message...we have to realize that the polical process is slow, it's designed that way" ... and that's as far as I got because the other dude keeps cutting people off with.. "Yes we can become a socialist country?"

Ah yes. Markos wants to remind people that people need to be patient with single payer and working on climate change because incrementalism is the best way to go about making changes.

Here's the headline.

Full Panel: Is the Green New Deal a pragmatic plan or rising socialism?

Sure Todd. Make people believe it's not a life or death situation. Make them afraid of us becoming socialists. I watched this so that you don't have to.

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They can't even do basic research into what markos is.

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@Shahryar

the Corporate Media conveniently suppess that fact that any "Liberal" was run off the site in 2016.

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@ek hornbeck

Wonder why they let the not a Democrat in the poll.

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by a lot of neoliberals claiming to be progressive. Another label co-opted.

I had a hard time even watching the short clip of Markos. He turns my stomach.

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@gulfgal98 The only thing anyone DNC/Clinton related offered as an answer to "what could you have done differently in 2016?" was "we needed better branding." Not any sort of admission of mistakes or that they were out of touch, just that they needed a better label to sell the same old dog food. Since both parties need to keep "socialism" as a bogeyman, they have to co-opt "progressive." I expect we'll see plenty more "pragmatic progressives" by election 2020. (And, of course, stripping the term "progressive" of any meaning is a feature, not a bug.)

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@Dr. John Carpenter Our friend Ranting Rooster hit this nail squarely on the head.

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@gulfgal98 I didn't think much of the MTP panel today, except for Kimberley, so I skipped their discussion. Andrew Gillum was on ABC's panel.

Good column in the Guardian about the phoniness of Kamala Harris' progressive stance.

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Nea

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@snoopydawg

Amazingly enough there will be plenty of people to defend and equivocate the merits of this "committee"

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@zoebear

Just one more person who people will have to contort their minds to defend their actions.

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@snoopydawg

To elicit those tingling down the leg kind of feelings, eh? I remember only too well how enamored I was of Barack, and how fiercely I would defend his shiny greatness to critics who had the temerity to ask fact based questions.

Ah, the memories...

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@zoebear any time our elected officials (and sometimes appointed officials) formed a committee to "study" anything, it was their way of trying to kill an issue by miring it in some sort of citizens' committee, mostly comprised of "stakeholders" which is a fancy term for business people who wanted to ensure their ox was not gored in the least.

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@gulfgal98

And such a "Brave" stance for the thrillingly marvelous AOC to take. Ha! What focused grouped bullshit.

Critiques aside, at least Gabbard has the fucking guts to actually weigh in on the Venezuela issue.

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@zoebear

It seems more people are thinking that. One step forward, two steps back.. I wonder what she thought of military aggression before she got elected?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: It Pays Well to be a Sheepdog of the Establishment

One doesn’t have to be Nostradamus to predict what was going to transpire when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez arrived in Washington DC. It was a matter of time before Alexandria succumbed to the status quo and fell in line behind the neoliberal Democrat establishment. In short order, this rebel from the Bronx transformed into a lapdog of the very entrenched interests she purportedly ran against.

The most obvious sign of Alexandria’s capitulation to the DNC is her decision to support Nancy Pelosi for House Speaker. She actually had the temerity to call Pelosi the most progressive candidate when she announced her backing of Nancy the corporate crony. Let me clarify one thing, I don’t put any stock in labels like liberal, progressive or any of these political affiliations that do nothing but divide people while hiding the invisible hands of the moneyed cabal that run our nation through coercion. However, calling Pelosi a progressive is like calling Dick Cheney a compassionate conservative.

As galling as Alexandria’s support of Pelosi is, that is but the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how she has transmuted her pledge on her way to becoming yet another sheepdog of the establishment. The reason why our politics is broken is because demagogues on both sides have perfected the art of blaming the other side while pretending their side are the good guys. In reality, the pox is on both sides of the aisles. Democrats and Republicans alike—as well as the entirety of our political system—survive intact through subterfuge; tribalism is deployed with ruthless efficiency to distract the public from the fact that our government has been hijacked by corporate courtiers working on behalf of their plutocratic benefactors.

A truth teller would indict the bipartisan swamp that is endemic of our politics instead of presenting one-sided rants. Sadly, Alexandria chose to become another sham artist, instead of using the bully pulpit the good people of New York City entrusted her with to reveal the insidious face of the duopoly, she insists on blaming Republicans only while keeping mum about the malfeasance of the very party she joined. This is not shocking of course; in a way I can only blame her so much, she is doing what most of us do when we witness misdeeds at our place of employment. Nonetheless, I can only be so forgiving, the average American is not actively treading on the hopes of millions domestically and billions globally as they rake in fortunes in the process.

The left/right divide in our government is a complete farce; outside of the wedge issues that both parties pretend to care about but never act on when they have power, there is not a scintilla of a difference between Democrats and Republicans—both are wholly owned subsidiaries of the military-financial-corporate complex. The great pyramids in Egypt have nothing on the pyramid that America has become; the 1% are harvesting their fortunes on the backs of the poor, working and middle-class. The root of this perverse wealth-transference scheme are economic policies that are enacted by both parties that cater to the rich while cratering the rest of us.

Read the rest of the article. I've been reading Fikre for a few months and like what he says.

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At what point will we stop falling for this ongoing hoodwink? Personalities keep being foisted upon us in order to distract us from the systemic rot of our governance. Alas, we are so addicted to the cult of personality that we keep latching on to the freshest faces while disregarding the bigger picture. In all honesty, we are medicating ourselves with politics while outsourcing the solutions to what ails our society to people who are benefiting from the sickness. The only way we can make a fundamental difference in this world is if we change our perspective of success and believe in collective wellness as much as we honor individual achievements. Until then, we will keep getting charlatans who pretend to know our plight while they use our struggle to attain for themselves.

There was once a candidate who ran a brilliant campaign where he presented himself as “one of us”. Stories were pushed about the fact that he and his wife were still paying for their college loans in order to make him identifiable to the common person. He eventually arrived in DC and pushed through the biggest corporate boondoggle in American history. He is now on his way to becoming wealthy magnate as he gets paid by the same industries he enriched during his tenure. His name is Obama, the Bank First President. Alexandria, with her struggles to pay rent and eating Mac ‘N Cheese with straws is following his playbook. It’s a matter of time before she gets paid like the Obamas. It pays well to be a sheepdog of the establishment.

If you haven't seen or read this yet you're in for a great read.

Obama, the Bank First President

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@snoopydawg wonderful article by Teodrose Fikre. Now I guess I will have to do it. Thanks Snoopy! Smile

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@gulfgal98

There is a lot good discussion material there and you have a way of succinctly breaking things down in a very cohesive way.

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@snoopydawg

At what point will we stop falling for this ongoing hoodwink? Personalities keep being foisted upon us in order to distract us from the systemic rot of our governance. Alas, we are so addicted to the cult of personality that we keep latching on to the freshest faces while disregarding the bigger picture. In all honesty, we are medicating ourselves with politics while outsourcing the solutions to what ails our society to people who are benefiting from the sickness.

Good question. At what point? Seriously. And yet, I'm STILL having debates with people about how effective these "progressive" political stars can be in a system that is controlled by the global robber barons running our government.

Another cogent point he makes is this one:

The median net worth of Congress members is more than $1,029,505; what we have in the District of Caligula is not a government but a private country club.

Exactly. It's a mighty lucrative club to be in, isn't it? And I'll be damned if I help another Barack Obama as they pray on the altar of greed and self interest at MY EXPENSE.

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@zoebear
I own a 1 br condo in Daly City, CA. And so my "net worth" is over $800,000. I also sold a taxi medallion before the industry went the way of the dodo (the guy who bought it from me went bankrupt, I got $200,000) I'm "almost as rich as the average congressman" but through nothing of my own skill and hard work - just dumb luck. An average net worth of over $1 mil sounds impressive, but it's the really rich that are killing us, not Joe Average The Paper Rich.

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@snoopydawg
with a representative gathering information while developing a position before announcing it to the world? Personally, I wish it would catch on.

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@FuturePassed

should send out all kinds of warning signs. Imo of course. Bolton is saying that he wants to overthrow Maduro so that he can have access to the oil. You need a committee to decide whether that is good or bad? Damn right I have a problem with that.

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Markos on messaging. "Yes We can is a positive message...we have to realize that the polical process is slow, it's designed that way" ...

Translation: Give the people something "hopeful" to chit chat about so they participate in an electoral process we control while also protecting us from any accountability by telling them it ain't gonna happen, er, I mean "soon"

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@zoebear

$#^% 'em all.

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".......we have to realize that the political process is slow, it's designed that way"

I think the likes of the gilets jaunes might have something to say about that. Incrementalism is so disco.

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Gëzuar!!
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@Bollox Ref Kudos!

".......we have to realize that the political process is slow, it's designed that way"

I think the likes of the gilets jaunes might have something to say about that. Incrementalism is so disco.

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@gulfgal98
Amy Klobuchar announcing her presidential run, and pondering yet another candidate contemplating 'more nibbling around the edges' with regard to huge issues that demand huge answers.

Plus, it seems that Ms. Minnesota Nice in public, is quite the Ms. Minnesota Nasty in private (apparently).

(Edited)

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political activists...”

I take it he meant the crazies at TOP.

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Hmm.. if Hillary does jump into the race will she support it? Bets?

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@snoopydawg

Wants to capture the grassroots of the left, and in particular energize the youth, rhetoric that addresses the climate crisis has to be included. And I'm pretty sure the advisors of the Marvelous AOC didn't even need a focus group to come up with that conclusion.

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6.5 min

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

Thanks for posting this, lo

"If it's too big you'll fall over."

I'm wondering why the hell congress had to hold a hearing on Whittaker when he's on his way out of office? What did that accomplish? Barr is going to be the AG because democrats don't see any problem with appointing someone who pardoned people from the Iran Conta affair. I thought that they were worrying about Trump pardoning everyone? Saturday Night Live makes a hell of a lot more sense than congress does.

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And delivered by Markos. I think Nancy was a little embarressed. Couldn't they have just given the money directly to her in unmarked bills?

Not sure why Markos is pushing Warren. Wall Street hates her. Maybe just a foil for Kamala.

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@MrWebster

so that everyone will see it if they look at his page.

I thought Nancy was a bit embarrassed too when she first saw all the roses. Doubt he would have noticed it if she was. 7,000 were in her office so that left another 14,000 to be delivered. Good grief.

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...is either going for an on-air gig; or, he's going to run for office; or, first the on-air gig, then a campaign for office. I've been saying this about him for many, many years. And now we're seeing it beginning to play out. Another note: I'd put some money on the fact that Kos is getting some coaching re: his on-air personae. And, so it goes...another horror show in the making...this time around on a bigger stage.

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@bobswern

When he was just a little dick.

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@zoebear He still is. Wink

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@bobswern

You’re probably right, including this … “And, so it goes...another horror show in the making...this time around on a bigger stage.”

I’ll have to trust you about his tv personae because I don’t think I could bear to listen. Even his written comments, when I had the guts to read, made me cringe.

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@bobswern @bobswern
Jeez, big smile, white teeth, dark suit, charming rose flowers bribing old ladies slimey, grey haired talking head? Haven't I seen those somewhere already?

Do you remember someone called 'Jerome a Paris' in the early years of dailykos? I wonder what has become out of him. I think he was a banker and a frenchman - uh, oh, scary. I watched Jerome and Markos have a conversation from far without understanding what they talked about. Facial expressions by Markos indicated, he was a little intimidated by Jerome's dispassionateness/sedateness/sang-froid-selfcomposure. (I never know which translation for the German word I have in mind would fit best).

Ok, I can't even laugh anymore about 'Saturday Night Life', too far away from the US to still get a kick out of it.

It is a circus. Can Markos change my socialism-fairness-equalitarian yearning heart? Or even break it? Hmm, I think he needs to send some different flowers, roses have thorns, I like the 'Forget-me-not' little ones. Because I don't want to forget ... and they are cute flowers, so there, I said it.

Sigh. I'll take another nap. You just hit me over the head.

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@mimi

I've wondered about Jerome over the years.

I watched Jerome and Markos have a conversation from far without understanding what they talked about. Facial expressions by Markos indicated, he was a little intimidated by Jerome's dispassionateness/sedateness/sang-froid-selfcomposure.

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May you come to dwell in an enlightened nation that judges itself by the well-being of its people. At the very least, this is your birthright.

@Pluto's Republic There's a user there labelled "emorej a hong kong" now. Not sure if it's Jerome, but I just thought I'd point that out.

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@bobswern
a user here. And judging by the email address used when registering, is not Jerome.

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@JtC Appreciate that. Thanks JtC!

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