Bernie Sanders and the Horror of taxing the rich
It's outrageous! It's scandalous!
Bernie Sanders wants to tax estates of the wealthy. Can you believe it?
Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., is proposing a one-time tax on the wealth of the rich at a rate as high as 3 percent. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is going much further, proposing a 77 percent death or inheritance tax...
They're also both impractical and immoral ideas. Sanders is far worse on both counts. Both measures neglect what so many of today's self-styled revolutionaries fail to grasp: The Constitution enshrines the rights of everyone, and that even includes the wealthy.
Bloomberg says that Bernie's proposal "Spur Types of Tax Dodges It Aims To Stop".
The NYTimes says "Taxing the Wealthy Sounds Easy. It’s Not."
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell responded by introducing a bill on Monday that would permanently repeal the estate tax.
None other than Adam Smith, the Father of Capitalism, said taxing the estates of the rich was impractical and immoral.
Oh, wait. He said the opposite.
Hold on there. Adam Smith supported, in no uncertain terms, taxing the estates of the wealthy. How could "manifestly absurd" and "unnatural" be misinterpreted?
But do you know who isn't so certain? The Adam Smith Institute.
There really is a consensus that inheritance taxes are not distorting and thus are "good taxes" in a manner that income and or capital taxes are not.
And we're really not sure about that.
This is a laughably good example of how modern capitalists have distorted capitalism.
But surely the Founding Fathers will stand up to the tyranny of an inheritance tax.
North Carolina's 1784 statute explained that by keeping large estates together for succeeding generations, the old system had served "only to raise the wealth and importance of particular families and individuals, giving them an unequal and undue influence in a republic" and promoting "contention and injustice." Abolishing aristocratic forms of inheritance would by contrast "tend to promote that equality of property which is of the spirit and principle of a genuine republic."Others wanted to go much further; Thomas Paine, like Smith and Jefferson, made much of the idea that landed property itself was an affront to the natural right of each generation to the usufruct of the earth, and proposed a "ground rent" — in fact an inheritance tax — on property at the time it is conveyed at death, with the money so collected to be distributed to all citizens at age 21, "as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property."
If that wasn't enough, Bernie Sanders wants to limit corporate stock buybacks.
Horrors upon horrors!
However, the issue has been a hot one, particularly among progressives who believe companies should be doing more with their cash than rewarding shareholders and putting money in the pockets of executives who ultimately benefit from higher stock prices.That sentiment helped fuel a measure being proposed Sens. Charles Schumer of New York and Bernie Sanders of Vermont who said in a New York Times op-ed that they want to apply "preconditions" on buybacks that would force $15 an hour wages, paid time off and health benefits...
While the measure seeks to address the wealth gap, Wall Street pros worry about its disruptive potential for markets."If the populist attacks become enacted, they will be meaningful," said David Santschi, director of liquidity research at TrimTabs, which tracks where cash is going in the marketplace. "I don't think it's the government's job to tell companies how they can spend money."
It's "Misguided".
It's double "misguided".
It's worse!
Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders want to prevent U.S. corporations from buying back shares or paying dividends unless workers are first paid benefits that the government believes they deserve. This form of socialism is called fascism. Political risk for U.S. investors is rising!
— Peter Schiff (@PeterSchiff) February 4, 2019
Limiting share buybacks is just like Hitler!
Why America would never tolerate such an infringement on freedom.
For most of the 20th century, stock buybacks were deemed illegal because they were thought to be a form of stock market manipulation. But since 1982, when they were essentially legalized by the SEC, buybacks have become perhaps the most popular financial engineering tool in the C-Suite tool shed. And it’s obvious why Wall Street loves them: Buying back company stock can inflate a company’s share price and boost its earnings per share — metrics that often guide lucrative executive bonuses.As Reuters wrote recently, “Stock buybacks enrich the bosses even when business sags.”
Or maybe this is all about greed instead.
Comments
Legalized by Reagan's SEC
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
If I may make a modest proposal.
A minor tax on estates to cover the governmental costs of adjudicating and transferring the property. AND a maximum limit (ideally a percentage of the wealth distribution) on the total wealth transferred ala Tom Paine. Say everything above $10,000,000 (arbitrary figure for example) is taxed 100%. Most people would agree that parents have a right to provide for their children and grandchildren, but that doesn't entail obscenities like the multi-billion dollar Kennedy Trust wherein being born a Kennedy doesn't mean you are born on third base, it means you are born on home plate and own the whole ball park. Let's limit it first base.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Anyone remember the top marginal rate
under that commie Eisenhower?
A healthy middle class is so 50's.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
91%
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Apparently, the concept of variable, marginal tax rates
Is very hard to grasp. Is our schools serving us?
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I don't know about yours,
but mine's did.
You's funny!!
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Thanks for the funny prompt, Bollox!
Nobody ever talks about
how these people got so wealthy to begin with: by exploiting and underpaying labor, exploiting laws and getting laws passed to favor themselves, manipulating markets, or busting out formerly thriving businesses.
The greedheads have been underpaying workers for decades, slurping up all of the value of productivity for themselves.
Do you think Bezos could run Amazon without all those people?
And I'm tired of hearing about how the wealthy pay most of the taxes. So what? If people were paid more, then their proportion of paid taxes would grow.
And we need confiscatory taxes now because the greedheads haven't been paying employees as much as they should have for decades. One big wack!
dfarrah
Modern capitalists have distorted capitalism? No.
More like "Modern capitalists have ushered in capitalism's logical conclusion."
They brought it to its logical conclusion in 1929, too. Only rather than let it die its well-deserved death, FDR decided to keep the corpse on life support for just a little longer as a counter-revolutionary measure against labor movements in the United States.
You're wearing your ineffectual liberal heart on your sleeve again.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
LMAO
You may be right
stock buybacks are also beloved because, unlike dividends
they are taxed as capital gains rather than ordinary income.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Taxing is too good for them
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
THAT is the correct approach to the situation.
T-Shirt du jour
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Hmmm
If it were up to me
An eternity in damnation. But I'd settle for Madame Guillotine.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Two articles that address the 70% tax reform,
and are very supportive.
This article by Gordon Campbell who is a well respected longform journalist on NZ politics, led to me this article by Paul Krugman today.
Apologia for capitalism.
Taxing the rich is one thing, stopping the insane way these assholes "earn" this much wealth is another. That's what should be focused on and points out why people like AOC and Sanders are not socialists at all, but gatekeepers for capitalism.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/02/04/starbucks-and-modern-m...
Yes, a lot better would be to consider alternatives
to capitalism, but that institution will outlast all of us. Krugman, at least, informs the common dialogue with an alternative and more promising perspective on taxes. It’s not the answer, but it puts people like Schultz into perspective, as the disingenuous jerks that they are.
Understand that pov, but just to point out there's another
I know you understand,
I just can't totally resign myself from having any faith that whatever meagre efforts we are afforded are in vain. There is a quote that I have always identified with ...
"A society grows great when old men plant trees under whose shade they know they shall never sit."
That's a great quote.
Upon edit, I should have said it's a great quote except it should have included "and old women". That's one of the problems with old quotes.
As far as I've known,
it is related to both Greek and American Indian sources. No matter, every society would be best served by including women.
Yes, the emphasis on taxes
You are right in that we need preventative measures.
We used to have laws against monopolization, against stock buy backs, a few labor protections, bank laws, etc.
Every time someone celebrates (or is celebrated for) his/her wealth, everyone else needs to ask: who did you mess over for all that wealth; how many underpaid employees do you have; how did you manipulate markets and leave others in the dust to get all that wealth; how did the government favor you with loans, grants, and laws; how many lawmakers have you bought off; etc.
How in the world does someone like Soros tank the pound and get away with it? How do people keep busting out businesses (Toys r us, Sears, Penny's, and so many more) and get away with it?
And I know you don't like Bernie, but I am sure glad he called out that drug company for raising prices on a drug.
dfarrah
Bernie Sanders and the Horror
I stopped there, because what good is the I for independent if he mostly votes D? Bernie and the Ds will say anything to get votes, to get Trump out. simple
The backroom cigar smokers of the DNC decides who runs right? Nothing has changed since '16, not even the $15 trope, because kabuki lacks inflation? I don't know, ask BIG labor. What is the point of any election until that DNC fact becomes a lie, to me there is none. NONE
Enjoy the pretty contest because reality is fugly. I hate seeing the homeless drowning in the rising creeks, freezing to death on the sidewalks, being counted once a year in the middle of winter so their professional keepers can get paid some of your fucking tax money. FUCK IT
NOBODY 2020
keep swiping
As Independent as he is Socalist
Unregistered Democrat?
Unaffiliated Democrat?
D.I.A.B.N.? (Democrat in all but name)
I always get a kick out of how he sort of becomes a Democrat when it serves purposes, such as sheepdogging or the need for a boogeyman, and no one seems to bat an eye about it. I’d think if that independence actually meant anything to him, he’d defend it a bit.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
The Duopoly Must Die
Recently I was reviewing how the Senate is divided up, by class of course. Just words:
https://www.thegreenpapers.com/Hx/SenateClasses.html
Bla bla bla what hasn't been updated since there were only 20 senators? And now there are 60 senators? WHAT HAPPENED? lol No wonder I feel two-thirds less represented. good luck