From the fabulous ToP, just for you
Submitted by EdMass on Tue, 01/29/2019 - 6:25pm
The
If Bernie Runs Again
post at ToP
Susans kicks in way down the line and has issues, though none of us are in the thread as far as i know.....
susans Older and Wiser Now January 27 · 03:20:39 PM
Your Jill Stein loving, conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing, Democrat hating, Russia hoax believing, DK and Hillary despising former Kossacks at C99% are probably wondering where you are.
A fascinating read if you ever contemplate why you left there.
My contribution way at the bottom:
A fascinating thread.
To quote Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr, “plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.”
Viva C99!
Comments
Wow, that's a lot to unpack.
Jill Stein lost my loyalty when she did Hillary's dirty work after the election.
Conspiracy Theory... Like, say... COINTELPRO, which of course has never existed...
TOP and Hillary Despising... Hey, You guys started it! Far as I'm concerned...
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And I don't keep track of who does and doesn't write here. My life does not revolve around how many likes and approbations I get from the management.
Try Harder, TOP, I get tougher insults walking down the street in Portland. A pox on your firstborn, you ugly warts on a CIA anus.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Jill Stein's continued pressure for both a recount
, and verifiable ballots, has led to mandatory paper ballots in Pennsylvania, and a new law which allows proprietary voting machines to have their code examined by experts. Not sure how that was Hillary's dirty work.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Good on you Bisbonian
Jill has had a concern about election integrity that I and many others share. Electoral fraud has likely been committed by Democrats and Republicans (more probably by Republicans). If one could ever get a proper recount the electoral fraud might be revealed. Since one can not demand a recount on the part of the winner of an election, Jill and others demanded a recount on the part of the loser--HRC. BTW the Green and Libertarian parties paid for a recount in the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio. The recount was not allowed to be carried out in a fair and honest fashion, to be sure, but the Green Party has a history of attempting to bring fairness and accuracy to our voting system.
There are a lot of excuses given.
And some people choose to believe them. That's their prerogative. I don't trust anybody who always has a new excuse for why they can't get anything done.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I still don't understand what nefarious thing
, she was supposedly doing. There were a few states that were close enough for a recount, and she called for a recount, as was her right. There was some evidence of vote manipulation, and she accomplished some measures to keep a closer eye on that. That benefits all of us.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
@Roy Blakeley Jill was polling
Jill was polling steadily at 8% then some polls had her at 15% following DemExit.
She got 1%.
Polls had Canova at over 50% in Florida vs DWS. He got 5%.
I am glad Jill Stein is doing much needed work to change our fraudulent election system.
Some people trust her.
I don't. Anytime I need to hear an explanation about how an obviously partisan action is really good because I'm too stupid to understand why it has to happen I usually decided that the person talking to me is spewing bullshit.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Because she was only interested in the states
where Trump won, and pretty much seemed to only care about possible election fraud and voter suppression on the part of Trump. Which, given the primary we had just had with Hillary, about which Jill Stein was well-informed, made her efforts seem less like a concern with election integrity and more an attempt to hand Hillary Clinton some unearned credibility.
Trust is hard to come by and easy to lose these days, and for good reason.
None of this means Jill Stein is the devil, or even a bad person; what it does mean is that I don't trust her in the way I would need to trust a leader: not to be suborned or intimidated or cajoled or cozened into supporting the very people I want to fight.
EDIT: If she had to challenge the election on behalf of the loser for legal reasons, that fact should have been loudly put in the foreground of every interview and speech she made about it. Maybe then more people wouldn't have seen her as more post-election maneuvering by the scumbags who run the Democratic party. I, for one, assumed they had found some way to "get leverage" and "put in the knife," as they said they were going to do with Bernie.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
In order for there to be a recount,
, the vote totals in the race need to be close enough together to be worth the effort. Only a few were. Trump happened to win those states.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I got another E-mail from Our Revolution...
"Wall Street CEO: It can't be Bernie"
Me: 'That does it. It MUST be Bernie.'
He's not perfect, but at least he deserves that criticism literally, rather than it being a defensive euphemism for "so-and-so sucks indefensibly, but by invoking the concept of 'perfect', which is a metaphysical absurdity in the first place, I can make the people see Heaven as Hell, or an extremely wretched life as paradise*"...
...and such was also true of one Franklin Delano Roosevelt, of whom I literally happen to have a desk-sized idol by my bedside. When Americans were starving, gangsters were thriving, fascists were marching, and not even the President himself was safe from plotting oligarchs, he assured us that "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Pretend I'm from Missouri.
He's gonna have to show me.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Not sure that's really what you want
Pretending you were from Missouri...would mean advising black people to stay away from you.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Could say that about Oregon too.
If you want to go with the TOP stereotypes on states.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
IS that a "TOP stereotype"?
I was under the impression there was a lot more to it than that.
They've recently revived and rebooted the old Negro Travelers' Green Book, you know: https://www.amazon.com/Post-Racial-Negro-Green-Book/dp/0692950923
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
The question is not so much
How good is Bernie? as it is How much can Bernie do?
The evidence of 2016 would suggest he can do a lot to raise consciousness and provide a rallying point for left-wing (and other) dissidents. The evidence of 2016 also suggests he can do very little else.
Rather than asking How good is Bernie? perhaps we should be asking What will we do when they defraud him again?
This time, the defrauding of Sanders will be very, very easy. No pesky caucuses with their real people physically present; it'll all just be data stored digitally. Result! Also, if anything goes wrong, the Department of Homeland Security will be there to rectify any mistakes, like maybe a lot of votes going to a dissident voice.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
if susan is indeed older and wiser now, i shudder to consider
what a pinhead she must have been in her youth.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Snortttt
Fantastic retort!
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I believe...
she was responding to a comment from Older and Wiser Now, who is a member here.
I'm going to coin a phrase, susans has c99DS, c99 Derangement Syndrome.
fine, spoil my fun with your vulcan logic.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Heh...
Seriously
I think she has a crush on c99%. I think it's because we're more fun to be around.
Her c99DS...
is all about mojo. It's about getting atta-boys and back slaps from the amen choir. The more vicious and deranged the more the choir laps it up. It's an easy way to gain street creds there, much akin to Barney Fifeism.
Personally I love it and hope they keep it up. It drives eyeballs here, and our classification as the evil website du jour keeps us relevant to those that understand what they are really all about.
I know, I know
She's nothing without us. Definitely secret admirer material.
Yep...
I will dare to say that many of them that read here do agree with a lot we have to say. I do doubt though that they have the intellectual honesty to admit that at their hidey-hole, for fear of being ostracized. Whether they admit it to themselves or not, they are doing themselves a great service by exposing themselves to alternate opinions.
I know we agree on this, it's just that this is a good spot to lay it down in text for the wandering eyeballs that come here to read. Maybe, just maybe, they'll do some navel gazing.
Actually
I've never been into the navel thing.
I prefer to stare at myself in the mirror and admire what G-D has wrought.
Just sayin...
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Rimshot!
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I'm not going there but
please do me the favor of saying thanks for mentioning this site.
Good or bad, somebody searched us out today.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
no such thing as bad PR
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this and the comments
Boy there sure is a lot of people there who are still pissed at Bernie. But even more who are still pissed at his supporters.
Ahh yes. Telling people what your opponent has done and said is a smear campaign. This means that Hillary smeared Trump when she called him Putin's puppet and the other things she said about him. And remember when she smeared Obama by insinuating that he was a Muslim?
My favorites though are the ones that call people like us Russian bots and that we were just biding our time for Russia's puppet candidate to finally expose themselves and run for president. No. I'm not kidding. This has been stated numerous times there. One prominent member is looking forward to seeing "Bernie bros attack Harris". I wanted to mention that most of the 'Bernie bros' have left the site. I guess we haven't been missed yet.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Umm, . . .
Bernie actually didn't say much about Hillary throughout the primaries. Bernie had all those followers in part because they were around to have lived through the Clinton and Obama years themselves and had seen firsthand what Hillary is and does. Bernie didn't post the vid of HRC's "we came..." cackle. He didn't say she had ducked sniper fire in Sarajevo. He didn't urge her to give highly-remunerative talks to Wall Streeters. He didn't cajole Debbie Wasserman Schultz to tip the scales in the DNC for Hillary. Bernie didn't tell her to wallow in fundraising events on the coasts and ignore voters in PA and MI and WI. All that was visible in real time to anyone who had a synapse or two still firing.
And what's more, Bernie did not enact an Ides of March decree, anywhere. All of HRC's problems in that election were hers or her followers' -- not Bernie's. But self-reflection was never their strong suit. Everything was about its being their turn.
No he did not really go after her
Her emails? Damn right her emails. Instead of saying that he was tired of hearing about them he should have asked her why she needed to hide them from being seen by a FOIA. And in addition to what you posted he could have gone after her for her pay to play, her great idea of invading Libya, Iran war vote and so many other things he could have brought up.
The person who wrote that comment also stated that '' the primary was rigged" like she doesn't believe it was. Guess she missed it when the DNC admitted that they did it and that they don't have to go with who wins the primary. They can just go in their back room and decide who they want to be their candidate. This is why I think they are just going to insert Her at the convention. Hey. They got away with doing it before right?
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Lordy, your new signature ...
I've had a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG day, and that truly made me crack up. Thanks!
The second one?
If so I saw it over there in someone's comment. I cracked up too. Glad that it made you smile.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
The second one, yes
Also love your first one, but it doesn't make me guffaw the way the second does.
The DNC didn't have to rig the election.
Actually, they only rigged it to make it look like a real democratic election.
Legally, the DNC is a private club and not affiliated with the government. It doesn't even have to hold a sham primary (which it calls a "member preference poll)." The "Poll" results are not legally binding and have no legal bearing on whom the Party leaders select as the nominee. In 2020, the Party Bosses did away with all caucuses — because they leaned toward progressive candidates like Bernie Sanders. They secretly kept all their SuperDelegates to use at henchmen — if they don't like the polling results. It's their Party and they can do whatever they want to get the results they want.
I know you know all this already. But I wish Americans could get here, intellectually, because then the nation could have a really productive conversation about democracy in the US.
For starters, my issue is that the majority of American voters are barred by the states from voting in the Primaries — so they have no say in who the candidates will be. That happens because the number of Independents is greater than the sum of both Parties. Because the US has no Federal Election System, the corrupt states that already default to blocking voters whenever they can, simply ruled that Independents cannot participate in selecting candidates via the Primaries.
I want to hear Americans say that they want an election system that has silent legal barriers built in to make it all-but-impossible for a third party to adequately participate. I want to hear them say that they want only two elite Establishment Parties to decide what their choices are. I want to hear Americans say that they don't want the Parties to use, respect, or allow a democratic process to take place during the Primaries — and that the Party bosses have their permission to decide who their candidate choice will be. And I want the American majority who are blocked from participating in the primaries, to say they don't mind footing the whole cost of the Party Primaries with additional taxes they must pay to their states. I want them to say that taxation without representation has a nice ring to it.
Maybe if Americans are Intellectually Honest about this one thing — maybe it will catch on. Maybe they'll start to think critically about other government decisions that profoundly impact their lives.
The Intelligence Agencies are doing everything in their power to prevent that from happening. The ongoing lab animal experiment at Daily Kos has been the Proof of Concept for American brainwashing since 2006.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
@Pluto's Republic make this a diary
make this a diary of its own so I can spread it far amd wide.
Thanks for the feedback Blair
I will do that as election season heats up.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
Both true, in my view.
They first pretended they were having an actual election, and then broke the rules both for caucusing and for electing politicians, including manipulating people's voter registrations, which is actually a form of fraud, and therefore illegal, right?
What they did in Nevada was...special.
What I think is that in order to dodge the consequences of doing all this ratfuckery out in the open, brazenly, they had to reveal the ugly truth they'd been hiding for years. Interesting, eh?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
And lovely work, by the way:
I want to hear Americans say that they want an election system that has silent legal barriers built in to make it all-but-impossible for a third party to adequately participate. I want to hear them say that they want only two elite Establishment Parties to decide what their choices are. I want to hear Americans say that they don't want the Parties to use, respect, or allow a democratic process to take place during the Primaries — and that the Party bosses have their permission to decide who their candidate choice will be. And I want the American majority who are blocked from participating in the primaries, to say they don't mind footing the whole cost of the Party Primaries with additional taxes they must pay to their states. I want them to say that taxation without representation has a nice ring to it.
Problem is, most of the Americans who agree with you--and they are not few in number--have foresworn politics altogether. Not surprising given that American politics is sort of like watching a movie of maggots writhing in piles of feces.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's an uphill battle.
But you know, surprisingly few ordinary people are putting the pieces together, fully accepting what that really means for the immediate future, and then speaking the truth in public places. We need more and better storytellers.
That comment and a little research led me to another "inspired" observation. A truth, I thought. I planted it today, and it's been floating like a small turd in a punch bowl. Speaking the truth is not as easy or effective as it sounds:
https://caucus99percent.com/comment/396868#comment-396868
Maybe it was too soon.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
I thought that was a brilliant observation about a Schultz run
Way better than anything I’ve been coming up with at the moment, grumpy as I am about the German political class.
Yeah, but you are out here
...on the bleeding edge, yourself.
Thanks, lotlizard
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
@dance you monster To correct the record,
To correct the record, so to speak, it was not DWS but Amy Dacey who signed the contract on the secret side deal with the Clinton people.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
@dance you monster
Well, and then there's this, which most people seem to have forgotten:
We should archive this somewhere before it gets purged from the internet.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
If it wasn't for Bernie fluffing
for Hillary, she would never have even got the popular vote.
Hillary was way past her use by date - no amount of fluffing could ever make her a star again.
ooo. U said "fluffing". Is that allowed? eom
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
As long as it is in the political sense
In the normative sense it would be majorly ewww, especially with Hillary as the subject. Just ask Bill.
These people are tied in knots
about being in a party that doesn't actually exist. You can't join the Democratic Party and play a part and have a say, despite all the mailings with 'membership numbers'. And yet they constantly root for it.
Odd!
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
People can't handle the idea that our political system
provides no hope.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Can we conclude that
Herself is indeed running AGAIN??? Perish the thought.
Mary Bennett
Or waiting to be installed, Humphrey-style, at the Convention.
That always works well.
Can you imagine the ignomy
of losing to Donald Trump twice?
Help me, Kirstjen Nielsen,
you're my only hope!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Another hit piece on Tulsi on ToP
Finally! Someone finally said it.
There it is. Selective feminism, sexism and misogynism which just goes to show that the ID politics crowd are a bunch of hypocrites. The comments go downhill from there. Flags flying...
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
you forgot the source link to what you quote /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
So, I just stumbled on a comment in a c99p thread from 2016
(don't ask why) and I thought, "Ha! I like this comment, I can totally relate!" and then I noticed that I wrote it! It suggests an alternative to rebutting every stupid anti-TG thing some dumbass reports, so I'm going to blockquote it here:
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Heh!
reminds me of a chorus from a Chumbawamba song
I can't hear you 'cos your mouth's full of shit
Do something about it
You think you're god's gift
You're liar
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire
Say it again! Say it often!!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Fuck you, you useless antidemocratic fuck!
Oops, sorry, I just got carried away there ...
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
LOL!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
You seem to be stuck
in a copy/paste loop?
I have no problem with it.
Works for me...
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Pussy cap too tight? Heads have shrunk
So many straw men, so little time. Poor susan. What would susan do? LOL
If I Only Had a Brain - The Wizard of Oz
gofund susan one
her other one is melllting aaaahH!
Tiny minds only see Ds and Rs. While cossacks are sitting around arguing about what to tell people how to think, blade sharpeners are the number one sellers, especially in California. Oakland hills are not a defensible area either, just sayin'. LMAO 'cause the next bubble is so bigly, what goes around comes around. wink
good luck
You misogynist.... straw person.... got it?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
It's got a certain ring to it.
Hmmm, left out stuff about bots, trolls and Koolaid though. "Jill Stein loving, conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing, Democrat hating, Russia hoax believing, DK and Hillary despising former Kossacks" is just too long to put on a hat. JSLCTTFHWDHRHBDKAHDFK is pretty long too. Maybe a T shirt?
The word count.
As of 1:30 PST (Left Coast SWJ time) and 4:30pm BPT (Boston Patriot Time) there were 53 instances of the word Russia/Russian five instances of Putin.
Who would have thought that a diary on Bernie in TOP would even remotely have one instance of those words in the beginning of 2016.
Oh hells bells, for the Moosetiteers,
EVERYTHING boils down to RUSSIA!!!
And we’re all too stupid to know why we think the way we do.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Just have to add. TOP part of the dem electoral apocalypse.
So TOP was definitely around in 2010 and riding high over Obama when the democrats went through an electoral democratic party apocalypse which resulted in like 1000 lost local state sets going into 2016. Some of that is regained in 2018...about 200 but don't quote me.
What gets me is that TOP writers, etc, fancy themselves election experts and are touted as critical dem activists at a national level. Well as so-called election experts, their effectivenss could be called jack-shit.
That whole bullshit about giving Pelosi $80K in roses was just self flagettation mainly to pimp Kos as the official nationa move and shaker of the POC vote.
" self flagettation"
More like self-gratification.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
In general,
people are much more inclined to bestow upon you a level of expertise when you tell them what they want to hear.