@detroitmechworks

what they say about me (and us). He was quite angry.

I was surprised he even bothered to go look.

over here.

I don't even bother heading over there to see what they say about me. IIRC I'm a beggar/parasite/intolerant of RKBA jerk.

(Although I do find it funny that at TOP I frequently saw RKBA use the "Institute for Historical Review" as a source. FYI, it's a Neo-Nazi Holocaust denying website. No, Not kidding on that one.)

@dkmich

I'll try to contact him and let him know too that most of Bernie's supporters have left the site because kos kicked them off. Kinda important information when discussing a poll don't ya think?

@dkmich

Does he know what "activist" means?

@gulfgal98

Republicans "the party of no?" What Democratic politicians and their shills, like Markos, would say if given truth serum:

"Yeah, only the majority of Americans care about policy. Fug 'em. This is not about governing or building a better America. It's about electing more Democrats. And by Democrats, we mean Republicans who, for whatever reason, choose to put (D) after their names and don't get caught using the 'N' word. Yeah, we know Hillary got caught, but that's different. We treat her like an incumbent neocon. Incumbent neocons get our unconditional support."

It always was more, much more, about identity politics. Identity politics is how the establishment Dems keep us separated from one another. Unfortunately, it took me a while to understand it myself. What a waste of time that place was and now it is just a cesspool.

gulfgal98 Rosencrantz
April 27 · 12:56:03 PM

Markos himself, in response to comment in his recent ask me anything diary, said policy does not matter.

Policy is useless right now. We don’t need any message beyond “NO!”

I completely disagreed with kos over this and said so in that same diary. The Democratic party has become the party of nothing, no substance, no policy. For the public, no policy or promise (plus delivery) is malpractice. Democrats never tried even when they held both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

Being not Republicans or not as bad has led to over 1,000 seats lost since 2008. Pursuing the same failed strategy is ridiculous. The Democratic party has been hemorrhaging members as a result too.

For the record, Markos has never replied to anything I ever posted there. But here is my comment to him which was referenced above.

gulfgal98 kos
April 13 · 07:05:03 PM

I completely disagree.

Policy is useless right now. We don’t need any message beyond “NO!”

The reason that Democrats keep losing at all levels is a lack of a cohesive policy to help real people, particularly an economic policy. “No” or “we’re not as bad” is not a winning formula for people who have been economically struggling for over eight years under a Democratic leadership. To recycle this idea is folly.

The Democratic party has been playing the identity politics game to avoid addressing the real issues facing real people in this country. Economic issues cut across race, ethnic origin, gender, or sexual identity. That is why the Democrats have been getting their butts handed to them over the last eight years and particularly in the bloodbath of 2014 when their only message was they were not Republicans.

People want real policies that will make their lives better. Being not Trump is not addressing the real policy issues. I firmly believe that one of the reasons Hillary Clinton lost, particularly in the very economically devastated mid West is that her campaign was basically devoid of addressing policy. An analysis of this is laid out in this Vox article.

@MrWebster

Time wrote that without the George W. Bush administration to use as a foil the blog “lost its mission, and its increasingly rudderless posts read like talking points from the Democratic National Committee.”

Being anti war during Bush's tenure wasn't cool anymore once Obama took over the wars.

Nuff said.

I did not know the pay-for-play scheme that Markos cooked up using TOP. Looks like Markos was taking money to say positive things about Howard Dean, and other unreported candidates. Totally missed this story when TOP came into existence.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2005/01/daily-kos-and-blogging-for-d...

Moulitsas is a different case. He’s never pretended to be a journalist—this past October, he told National Journal, “I am part of the media. But a journalist? No. If I had put a label on it, I would say I am an activist.”—but in the year since he stopped cashing Dean’s checks, he’s gained a reputation as “the liberal Instapundit” and the most popular left-wing blogger. And while it’s true that his role as a Dean consultant was disclosed and reported in the press on multiple occasions, it came as a surprise this week to a whole lot of people, including a lot of prominent bloggers. Perhaps more important, the people who were aware of Moulitsas’ consulting work aren’t 100 percent comfortable with it. “Markos is infamous for these kinds of issues. That may be too strong a word. But it’s come up with Markos before,” Nicco Mele, the Dean campaign’s Webmaster and director of Internet operations, told me. “I can find you threads on Markos’s own site about it.”

Moulitsas’ crime isn’t taking money from Howard Dean. He, too, can get away with a suspended sentence for insufficiently disclosing his role in the Dean campaign once he was off the payroll. The hanging offense is that Moulitsas took money from other, undisclosed, political clients. And while he may have disclosed—in 2003—that he wouldn’t disclose them, that’s not good enough. DailyKos raised money for a dozen congressional candidates this past election. Which, if any, of them paid Moulitsas for the honor of directing his grassroots minions to part with their wallets? If you gave one of Moulitsas’ preferred candidates money, wouldn’t you like to know if Moulitsas’ endorsement was purchased?

Political campaigns and consultants are becoming increasingly skillful at manipulating the mainstream press by planting stories in the blogosphere. Despite this, the mainstream press remains credulous about blogging. During South Dakota’s U.S. Senate race between Tom Daschle and John Thune, the Thune campaign put two local political bloggers on its payroll. One got $27,000, the other $8,000. Their anti-Daschle reports trickled up into South Dakota newspapers.

And then there is this.

https://www.influencewatch.org/for-profit/daily-kos/

In 2008, Time listed Daily Kos as its number 2 top blog of the year.[17] However, the following year, 2009, the magazine called it one of its most overrated blogs. Time wrote that without the George W. Bush administration to use as a foil the blog “lost its mission, and its increasingly rudderless posts read like talking points from the Democratic National Committee.”[18]

So TOP looks to have continued as a PR website for the DNC. Sorta reminds me of Rush Limberger. He seems to have consciously chosen to be a right wing blowhard because that is where the money is at. Seems the same with Markos--he is the highly compensated evangelist of the corporate DNC and their candidates.

@MrWebster

bloggers to lunch at his Harlem pad. They never fully reported on what transpired, and after that, it was all about the party line. That is when the Democratic Party bought all of the left bloggers. And who complained? OMFG, the black bloggers because they weren't included in the corrupt fest.

If dailyKos teaches people anything, it is to zip your wallet.

I did not know the pay-for-play scheme that Markos cooked up using TOP. Looks like Markos was taking money to say positive things about Howard Dean, and other unreported candidates. Totally missed this story when TOP came into existence.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2005/01/daily-kos-and-blogging-for-d...

Moulitsas is a different case. He’s never pretended to be a journalist—this past October, he told National Journal, “I am part of the media. But a journalist? No. If I had put a label on it, I would say I am an activist.”—but in the year since he stopped cashing Dean’s checks, he’s gained a reputation as “the liberal Instapundit” and the most popular left-wing blogger. And while it’s true that his role as a Dean consultant was disclosed and reported in the press on multiple occasions, it came as a surprise this week to a whole lot of people, including a lot of prominent bloggers. Perhaps more important, the people who were aware of Moulitsas’ consulting work aren’t 100 percent comfortable with it. “Markos is infamous for these kinds of issues. That may be too strong a word. But it’s come up with Markos before,” Nicco Mele, the Dean campaign’s Webmaster and director of Internet operations, told me. “I can find you threads on Markos’s own site about it.”

Moulitsas’ crime isn’t taking money from Howard Dean. He, too, can get away with a suspended sentence for insufficiently disclosing his role in the Dean campaign once he was off the payroll. The hanging offense is that Moulitsas took money from other, undisclosed, political clients. And while he may have disclosed—in 2003—that he wouldn’t disclose them, that’s not good enough. DailyKos raised money for a dozen congressional candidates this past election. Which, if any, of them paid Moulitsas for the honor of directing his grassroots minions to part with their wallets? If you gave one of Moulitsas’ preferred candidates money, wouldn’t you like to know if Moulitsas’ endorsement was purchased?

Political campaigns and consultants are becoming increasingly skillful at manipulating the mainstream press by planting stories in the blogosphere. Despite this, the mainstream press remains credulous about blogging. During South Dakota’s U.S. Senate race between Tom Daschle and John Thune, the Thune campaign put two local political bloggers on its payroll. One got $27,000, the other $8,000. Their anti-Daschle reports trickled up into South Dakota newspapers.

And then there is this.

https://www.influencewatch.org/for-profit/daily-kos/

In 2008, Time listed Daily Kos as its number 2 top blog of the year.[17] However, the following year, 2009, the magazine called it one of its most overrated blogs. Time wrote that without the George W. Bush administration to use as a foil the blog “lost its mission, and its increasingly rudderless posts read like talking points from the Democratic National Committee.”[18]

So TOP looks to have continued as a PR website for the DNC. Sorta reminds me of Rush Limberger. He seems to have consciously chosen to be a right wing blowhard because that is where the money is at. Seems the same with Markos--he is the highly compensated evangelist of the corporate DNC and their candidates.