Open Thread - Friday, January 11, 2019
"IN MY LIFE, I have watched John Kennedy talk on television about missiles in Cuba. I saw Lyndon Johnson look Richard Russell squarely in the eye and and say, "And we shall overcome." I saw Richard Nixon resign and Gerald Ford tell the Congress that our long national nightmare was over. I saw Jimmy Carter talk about malaise and Ronald Reagan talk about a shining city on a hill. I saw George H.W. Bush deliver the eulogy for the Soviet bloc, and Bill Clinton comfort the survivors of Timothy McVeigh's madness in Oklahoma City. I saw George W. Bush struggle to make sense of it all on September 11, 2001, and I saw Barack Obama sing "Amazing Grace" in the wounded sanctuary of Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, South Carolina.
These were the presidents of my lifetime. These were not perfect men. They were not perfect presidents, god knows. Not one of them was that. But they approached the job, and they took to the podium, with all the gravitas they could muster as appropriate to the job. They tried, at least, to reach for something in the presidency that was beyond their grasp as ordinary human beings. They were not all ennobled by the attempt, but they tried nonetheless.
And comes now this hopeless, vicious buffoon, and the audience of equally hopeless and vicious buffoons who laughed and cheered when he made sport of a woman whose lasting memory of the trauma she suffered is the laughter of the perpetrators. Now he comes, a man swathed in scandal, with no interest beyond what he can put in his pocket and what he can put over on a universe of suckers, and he does something like this while occupying an office that we gave him, and while endowed with a public trust that he dishonors every day he wakes up in the White House.
The scion of a multigenerational criminal enterprise, the parameters of which we are only now beginning to comprehend. A vessel for all the worst elements of the American condition. And a cheap, soulless bully besides. Watch him again, behind the seal of the President of the United States. Isn't he a funny man? Isn't what happened to that lady hilarious? Watch the assembled morons cheer. This is the only story now."
- Charles Pierce -
I am not an advocate of fat shaming, unless the person is an angry know-it-all and pretend tough guy. Then their unfitness is fair game. Bring it on funkin' Sponge Blob Golf Pants!
It is better to be phunkin' phat.
I am a button pusher, and a stoic. I would love to participate in the wall negotiations. I am pretty sure, I could precipitate a cataclysmic event. There is nothing quite so rewarding as making a bully lose their shit and throw a fit.
I like to let them vent, while I get up and make a cup of coffee. Then, return to the negotiation and say, "I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. Could you repeat that?".
My kids were smart enough to know that when I said, "Now that you have yelled at me, I agree with you.", meant they had lost the argument and their desired outcome was no longer possible. Having someone tell you to go funk yourself is a growth experience.
On second thought, I think I will just send my youngest to negotiate. She would do just fine. I taught her not to be afraid, nor take any funkin' crap.
Time to wake up, executive time is funkin' over.
Funkin' theme development, take 2.
Are we have funkin' fun yet?
What part of "no", is not understood?
I could snark all funkin' day, but I really need to accomplish something, for my own psychological state.
Have a great weekend! May the funk be with you. The thread is OPEN.
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Good Morning Tim and 99%'ers!
Knock me over with a feather! I do not know what to think when I read about the newly minted Republican governor of Florida Ron Desantis' first actions after being sworn in on Tuesday.
And then this! Is it a hoax or is he serious? Or is it just another way to funnel more public money into the private sector? It might be all of the above, but on the surface it sounds better than Rick Scott's "Florida is Open for Business" motto. And yes welcoming signs at the state line actually said just that.
Much of the pollution of Lake Okeechobee is related to agriculture, particularly the sugar industry which is massive in the area.
snip
Also as part of the order...
While some environmental groups have said the order does not go far enough, I am cautiously optimistic that the state is moving back in the right direction. Water quality is a huge issue in Florida and it was totally sacrificed under the Scott regime. At least by his actions, Desantis is acknowledging the issue.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
My guess
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
I can't help but think of Hiaasen
and all the stories he crafted of how Florida pols put on a public face while doing the run around. That's Carl Hiaasen, not his brother who was assassinated because he was an "enemy of the state".
Like the Syria "withdrawal", I'll believe what actually happens.
edit: love your West sig line, my favorite
DeShiteazz better get with the program
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Good morning, Tim ~~~
To me, even though those other presidents brought "dignity" to the office, they were still controlled by the deep state. America has been in a hostage situation for a century, now. Obummer only hoped to accomplish change until they handcuffed him and he acquiesced. They all acquiesce in the end. Makes me wonder if Bernie would...
Herr Drumpf acquiesces grudgingly because he is a spoiled child who was not taught that disappointment is a character-builder. That's why he throws tantrums. That's why he governs via tweet. He's a spoiled brat who never learned self control (thank you for nothing, Herr Drumpf's parents). So, we all get to be on this roller coaster with him.
No plans for the weekend, just a bit of r&r, and preparations for a storm Sunday. We are having a wet winter, compared to last year!
Have a beautiful day and weekend, folks!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Woody wrote a song about daddy t-rump
The nut doesn't fall far from the tree...
I suppose Old Man Trump knows Just how much Racial Hate he stirred up In the bloodpot of human hearts When he drawed That color line Here at his Eighteen hundred family project ....
https://medium.com/@editors_91459/trumps-dad-was-so-racist-woody-guthrie-wrote-a-song-about-it-deea588fa11a
https://theconversation.com/woody-guthrie-old-man-trump-and-a-real-estat...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jANuVKeYezs]
In December 1950, Woody Guthrie moved to an apartment building in Brooklyn – Beach Haven Apartments. His landlord: Fred Trump, father of Donald Trump. Woody Guthrie wrote these lyrics in 1951, and 65 years later, the Missin' Cousins, a County-Western music group from Oakland California, present a recording of these new lyrics to I Ain't Got No Home in this World Anymore.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good Morning
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Good morning NCT, all. Interesting
https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2019/01/11/trump-impeachment...
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
I do not hold out hope for impeachment
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
It doesn't matter so much
if impeachment actually goes through. Just the threat already had him paranoid. It's important to keep up the pressure, even if it only amounts to competition between gangs. He's showing signs of cracking.
True
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
throw his ego
a cable channel, let him play victim, maybe he'll go.
Then have a nervous breakdown before he does any more damage.
edit: or go to jail when the states get through with him.
Thanks for the info on Woody,
Lookout. I knew this but had forgotten. The article you linked was really interesting. You're right when you say the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Only thing is, the apple has a severe head injury from it and we're suffering the consequences of that imbalance!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I tend to think the control
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Great skill to have.
You need to so some webinars on how to push buttons. I'll sign right up!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
It comes naturally
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
LOL! You are absolutely correct!
I guess I already have that skill myself - I just need to work on developing it more fully. Practice, practice, practice. Ok - I'm armed and dangerous, now!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Here's the thing--and my anger here is not at you, Raggedy...
George W. Bush did not bring dignity to the office. How have we come this far in 11 years? Are we all truly ready for the rewriting of George W. Bush into an imperfect guy who meant well though he made some mistakes but in the end he really acted the part of President with gravitas? Are we really ready to embrace that bullshit?
Well, but Trump is worse, so hell, why not erase the crimes of 2000-2008. It's not like they have anything to do with where we are now.
In a pig's eye, Charles Pierce. You just parked your integrity in the driveway, doused it with gasoline and set it on fire.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Totally agree. n/t
YOu make my point.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Oh, so Chuck
is all good with warmongering war criminals as long as they act serious about it as opposed to"meh, we're just fuckin' around while we bomb and destroy people and countries". Fuck him.
I know ol'Charlie there criticized oBomba on domestic issues, but I don't recall him kickin' any shins on Obummers foreign aggression.
Him and the others are a little Late to be squealing about the Facade finally crumbling when the Framing was rotted decades ago.
peace
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
I read it as similar
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Romney? Who famously said, “We ought to double Guantanamo”?
Empathy? Oh, please.
And
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
No arguement
Ewww he said. . .
Ohnos he tweeted. . .
See that toilet paper stuck. . .
Did you see his HAIR. . .
I'm at the point I feel All this shit is Scripted in Advance and I ain't buying NONE, ZILCH, ZERO NADA, of the Poutrage those Chunkers are spewing anymore.
They wanna be outraged by the war$, they wanna be outraged by the corruption$, they wanna be outraged by the Inju$tice$,they wanna be outraged at the climate chao$'taking place;
I'm in.
Until that day happens-Fuck them and their 'offended' $en$ibilitie$.
TRIGGER!
Rant off
peace
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
Nothing wrong with a rant
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Thank you, TB&U
All this is by design. We who criticize the establishment are meant to always be on the defensive, and on the defensive from attacks that come from the left: you are a rightist, you are racist, you are sexist, you love Trump, etc.
What better way to make sure the left never coalesces into an effective movement? They've made it so we can barely talk.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Always looks like he's got a corncob stuck
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
"but why do we pay gas tax?" Sebastopol, France
Heh, getting closer to the hundredth monkey up here. Thirty years later, why has no D passed any law taxing viticulture profits if "number of cars" was never enough to even keep the roads maintained? What industry has made millionaires of career politicians Pelosi and Newsom? huh There are no coincidences.
Sebastopol area neighborhood takes potholes into own hands as county road funds stretch thin
Man, I am too old for this crap. Where are the yutes?
feel the burn
ding! ding! ding-ding! hurry
Edit: typo, and to add in case it's not obvious: viticulture is directly tied to FIRE, Finance(debt), Insurance, Real Estate, especially Real Estate. BIG cannabis gave millions to Newsom. meh
peace
Welcome
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
"like Bill and Hillary" Please proceed governor.
Just what California needs, more "cultural change". lol I keep calling her Sybil, thanks Sally Fields.
Jennifer Siebel Newsom will be California’s ‘first partner.’ Her agenda is cultural change
A common sense progressive who "gets things done". Huh where have I heard that before? What would arendt say? Born and raised in Marin, private schools, Stanford, Hollywood, etc.. PU CIA?
cake!
Funny how those connections play out
Snoop Dogg's rap partners Warren G and Nate Dogg weren't his only classmates at Long Beach Polytechnic High School who also achieved stardom. A-List actress Cameron Diaz attended the school.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
That person frightens me.
Because she's privileged, every other person must suffer for her sins.
It's like reverse Jesus.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Heh
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Two sugars and a wake 'n bake
Moi bong has Bob Marley's face on it, I am "a friend of Bob". I hope Snoop Dogg feels revived by reggae. bong-gangers unite GONG! Rastafarians are patriarchal, mon. Is that why I can't find any Marley Gold on the shelves around here? There are no shelves around here, oh well. sugar cookies
Roy Buchanan - You're Not Alone
peace
I love wake and bake!
However, I have to wait til I get home to have my afternoon roast!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Meet you around back
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
TGIF
Roy Buchanan - My Soul Went Down Last Friday
Too lazy to fix the vid copy pasta, I hope they're not too big.Fixed: by sour tangie. buzzy buzzSoon, oh soon the light. Does this logo look like it should be called StarBakes? good combo
"Wake & Bake" Collie Buddz
Have a great weekend!
I still like "It's 420 Somewhere" for my morning meds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH2tX0Q3U0o]
[video:Bruce Banner today. Not my personal favorite, but nobody seems to want to grow Basic Blueberry anymore for flower... sigh. Ah well, another skill to add to the list of ones I need to learn.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Me too!
The Tomorrow Club, a cathedral in New Castle/PA, a local swimming pool, The Stanley Theater, …
Roy was out of the DC area, and regularly performed nearby. I saw him at the WVU student union,The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Okay, I'll be the one
with the yellow cow socks!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Witch of the East socks for me
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
I'll keep a lookout
for you!
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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Unfortunately, it wasn't me!
I would have done it, though!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Awake and Alive.
Unfortunately missed Judo last night because family priorities took precedence. Not angry, just planning on going tomorrow morning when everybody else sleeps in. (I'm nocturnal in the winter. I tend to do my best work when the sun is absent. Ok, when everybody else is asleep and I can get a minute in...)
Nothing really on my mind today. We'll see how the day progresses, but I'm actually feeling pretty decent.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Cool
Seasonal Affective Disorder is not as prevalent here, as it was in western PA. I think I will hit the gym, take a late afternoon nap and go honky tonkin' tonight. Pineapple Chunk for breakfast.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
I Don’t Care About a Congresswoman Cussing
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Just sayin'
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Ocasio-Cortez Takes No Guff From 'Irrelevant' Joe Lieberman
New Party, Who Dis?
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
LOL!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
And
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Oh yeah!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Ever heard of Tre Arrow?
Interesting article about him in Counterpunch. Part of it describes what he did in 2000 that brought him and the environmental cause to national attention.
"On the afternoon of July 7, 2000, Tre Arrow, perhaps unwittingly, became the idol of a reinvigorated environmental movement: one that was radically creative, action-oriented, non-violent and boldly uncompromising. Passion for the wild drove the agile Arrow, barefoot in shorts and a t-shirt, to scale the wall of a U.S. Forest Service Regional Headquarters in downtown Portland, where he would remain perched on a small window ledge for 11 consecutive days."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/11/how-tre-arrow-became-americas-mo...
That's where I worked for almost 20 years in downtown Portland, for the Forest Service. I remember that well. My office was on the 6th floor right above where Tre was "hanging out". Could look right out the window and see everything going on. It was right over the front entrance to the building so they closed that entrance and we had to use the other side. There were constantly hundreds of people outside supporting Tre, watching, just hanging around, many times blocking the street out front. I'd go out on break and lunch and join the protesters, like I'd do with many types of protests in downtown Portland. Tre spent 11 days on the ledge smaller than a foot.
Very courageous!
What was the outcome of his protest?
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Well you know how fighting the government is.
I think he opened a lot of people's minds and exposed a lot of hypocrites however, so his actions weren't in vain.
They took all the trees, And put them in a tree museum
At least the "environmental terrorists" were able to save a few trees. He burned cement trucks in protest, right on brother! Save the watersheds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Cap_Wilderness
no huge groves left untouched
We had Julia Hill up in Luna down here, I supported her as much as possible. Right on sister!
Thanks for the reminder what assholes Clintons and Gore are, not really out of power, yet.
Okay, back to Tre:
Tre Arrow is a hero in my book. Thanks Big Al.
peace
Great to know!
Thanks, eyo!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Thank you eyo, for the additional info.
So, his efforts have
continued to be exercised. Good news!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
That is pretty bad ass
Health Care Expenditures Associated With Pollution
Pollution has steep price in lives lost, economic damages
Pollution’s Annual Price Tag? $4.6 Trillion and 9 Million Dead
OBTW, where is Sponge Blob Golf Pants business case for opening natural areas to mineral extraction, offshore drilling, the wall, deregulation, … No actual business man makes a decision without a business case justifying the action. What are the costs? What are you planning to do? What are maintenance and operational costs? What else is affected? Profit motive and crony capitalism are not sufficient justification. Congress should be demanding a business plan for the wall. It would turn out to be on the level of a sixth grader, if that, and expose the lack of thought/introspection. Just funkin' sayin'.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
But Trump will gladly point out (lie about) the costs of
The costs ...
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
G'mawnin' Tim. Way late getting moving this morning. A
large helping of rocking tunes certainly helps.
I suspect that Mr. Pierce mistakenly donned some seriously rosy hued lenses before penning that crap. Why is it that pundits and such cannot manage to decry, denounce and condemn Trump without also engaging in hagiography with respect to his predecessors. GWB was not some innocent trying to comprehend the unexpected, but a corrupt schemer trying to figure how to best exploit it. Corrupt Bill, a practiced orator and skilled professional politician simply shifted into "comfort the afflicted" mode for a few hours, a button he pushed just like at other times he would activate the "baby kissing charm offensive" circuitry.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Heh
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
Why can they not attack Trump without engaging
in hagiography?
Because the point of the attacks on Trump ARE to rewrite history and wash the blood off all the other politicians' hands, leaving them clean and pink-cheeked and ready to be our leaders again.
This is why I will not join in the Trump-bashing. This.
Do people understand now?
I'm not trying to get Trump off the hook. I'm trying to keep all those other motherfuckers ON the hook, where they should be.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This should be an essay
You hit the nail on the head. The whitewashing of everyone crimes through the crimes of the Hairball. It's so fucking perfect, I'd almost believe it if they said his entire presidency served this one purpose.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I agree about predecessors
I attack Trump to attack Trump. I don't whitewash. (Or blackwash for that matter (forgive lame humor))
With all honest respect to other posters whom I admire, can you understand the frustration of how every time this sick excuse for a human does something even worse, there's a chorus of "But Hillary". I know she's evil, believe me. To paraphrase another post I made, it's 1930 Weimar, the rallies are rolling, and we're complaining about the Hapsburgs. (reductio ad absurdum)
Tactically, the Trump administration is the enemy. Strategically, it's the entire plutocracy, of whom billarybushBO are some among many.
I guess I find it easier to feel this way because I don't struggle with the kossites or donorcrat faithful. I'm sure there is whitewashing, I just rarely see it. But I honestly can't say I've seen it here. The people here are over billarybushBO, maybe with rare exceptions.
Believe me, I don't want to disrespect the many posters here for whom I have great respect, but with whom I may disagree on this point. It grieves me that people might think I'm doing that. Short plain text posts can be poor at subtleties of expression, so if I have phrased anything to be construed as aggressive or dismissive towards other people here, I apologize, in the spirit of unity. We should stop the Yenisei, not each other.
Even worse?
You mean in plain sight?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
No,
I mean worse than the last thing he did. It's almost like he's in a contest with himself.
Of Hitler proportions then?
I'm just trying to get a take on what you see as the "Hitler-ish" tipping point to our Republic?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Your personal morality, pindar, can't be used to
shelter what is essentially a mass media strategy. In other words, why *you* join in the Trump-bashing doesn't alter what the Trump-bashing is doing on a national scale, any more than the fact that some poor schmo who lost his house and got pissed off at Obama for not prosecuting Wall St excuses the Tea Party which he joined, or the small family businessman excuses big corporate capitalism. Your personal integrity can't be a bandaid over so much that is wrong. Bringing your personal integrity into it, so that any attacks on the larger strategy look like attacks on you, simply makes it harder for me to criticize the larger strategy.
The assertion that "Trump is worst" or "Trump is worse," is similarly problematic. I'm not sure how one measures "worst" when the starting point is Abu Ghraib. Everyone keeps saying Trump is worse (or worst) than all that comes before him, qualitatively different and more evil. I'd like to see some evidence of this, or at least some terms defined that do not rely on erasing, forgetting, or diminishing the crimes of the past.
As far as being "over" billarybushco, it's nice that people are no longer upset about those who brought us to this point, were highly instrumental in putting Trump where he is, and who continue to be the most visible face of the people who actually run the world. For that matter, it's kind of amazing that we can be "over" the people who have that much blood on their hands, murder and torture that is less than twenty years old. Reducing all this to "But Hillary did it too" is amazing, at least in the sense that you seem to take that phrase. If I, and others, do say "But Hillary did it too," it's not in an elementary school sense of "Joey started it all!" (insert whiny tone), but in a sense of "These crimes against humanity did not come from the shitty personality and possibly unbalanced brain of Donald Trump. That is proved by the fact that those crimes were near-ubiquitous and persistent when others (such as Hillary, Bill, George and Dick) were in charge. Therefore, railing against Donald Trump the individual is unlikely to have any impact on the existence or continued practice of those crimes. Actually, even removing Donald Trump the individual is unlikely to have any impact on the existence or continued practice of those crimes."
EDIT: In September and October 2016, people were objecting to the media and political parties (and the donors) who were bringing us this loathsome menu of sociopaths, not choosing which sociopath was worst.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
May I quote you on this?
Yes. This. Exactly.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Certainly!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Apart from Kennedy
Who actually did want to blunt the Deep States global war mongering, and paid the ultimate price for it, Charlie Pierce's op-Ed reads like a hagiographic homage to the pretense that the Executive Office (prior to the Hairball defiling it) was NOT about self aggrandizing venal politicians collecting favors so they can build their own nest egg at the expense of the rest of us.
You know what a Trump presidency has afforded us? The unmasking of that pretense for anyone with the objectivity to see it past their personal distaste for what is arguably an odious human being. Clearly Charlie Pierce isn't one of them.
My 2 cents for what it's worth.
EDIT: Holographic/Hagiographic
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Holy shit, Charles Pierce.
Seriously? George W. Bush mustered all the gravitas he could? And he, and all the other Presidents before him, are "imperfect," whereas Trump is an unprecedented evil?
What a sad fall from the writer who so passionately rebutted Bill Krystol, when Krystol bemoaned America's lack of desire to murder people en masse in Syria: becoming an agent of historical revisionism and a tool for the reputation makeover of bloody-handed torturing monsters.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Good Evening
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -
It's a euphemism
That jumps right out at you, doesn't it?
How "imperfect" was President Bush when he lied us into a war that killed thousands, destroyed countries, and cost the tax payers trillions of dollars while lining the pockets of crony profiteers?
How "imperfect" was President Obama when he signed away our right to Habeas Corpus, continued the torture programs abroad and at home, and droned thousands of innocent men, women, and children, while crowing about it on national television?
Yeah, "imperfect" all right.
I could go on, but I'm feeling a bit nauseous.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier