Politico Thinks That Russia Tricked The Guardian into writing the Article
From you can't make this up file.
Did Someone Plant a Story Tying Paul Manafort to Julian Assange
A bombshell report in the Guardian yesterday claims Paul Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, met directly with Julian Assange, the head of WikiLeaks, several times in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.
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While the immediate reaction to the story was a collective “Wow!”, it is fair to take a step back and remain wary. Rather than being the bombshell smoking gun that directly connects the Trump campaign to WikiLeaks, perhaps the report is something else entirely: a disinformation campaign. Is it possible someone planted this story as a means to discredit the journalists?
Someone? Someone such as whom, dude? Someone with connections to Vlad mayhaps? That someone?
A number of parties in the Trump-Russia circus have an interest in discrediting the media. Russia President Vladimir Putin has solidified his power in Russia by systematically quashing the free press and controlling the message through friendly media outlets, including the likes of RT and Sputnik. Trump, too, has consistently shouted “Fake News!” at any story he doesn’t like and has made it a theme of late to refer to the media as “the enemy of the people,” a term that has been used by dictators throughout time, including to devastating effect by Joseph Stalin.
Here's Greenwald's take on this.
2/ The only point of the article is to *invent out of whole cloth* a wild conspiracy theory: that perhaps Russia-controlled operatives caused the @Guardian to publish a false story - its viral Assange/Manafort story - in order to discredit Luke Harding for his Russia reporting. pic.twitter.com/npCjM6HHJt
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 28, 2018
4/ POLITICO also allowed this ex-CIA agent's to falsely claim that the only people raising doubts about the Guardian's story are people who are part of "Russia’s disinformation network." In fact, as @Emptywheel noted, a wide range of people raised doubts about the story. Compare: pic.twitter.com/kuIUMYQ5L3
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 28, 2018
6/ In response to a highly dubious Guardian story, POLITICO allowed an ex-CIA officer to use a fake name to publish demonstrable lies and blame Russia for this potentially huge media scandal - zero self-critique. Why would a profession that acts this way expect to be trusted?
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 28, 2018
8/ Even 2 hours after I read it, I still can't believe that Politico actually published an article by an ex-CIA agent under a fake name saying that if the Guardian's blockbuster Assange/Manafort story is false, it's Russia's fault. Parodying the US media at this point is futile.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 29, 2018
Wow. When even Marcy Wheeler is questioning the story you know that it's totally nuts.
Comments
heh...
any chance that the "ex-cia agent" is actually markos moulitsas? (evil grin)
Again ..
Thanks, Joe!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
If it were Markos
I'd actually break my rule and go over there to read his "explanation" of why it's a "good" thing. The excerpts alone from that diary would be so cringe worthy, they'd be perversely satisfying to quote and deride.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Eh?
Not sure what you're talking about here...
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
My attempt at snark
Joe sardonically quipped about the possibility of the ex-CIA agent who wrote the Politico article being Markos. I was simply commenting that if it was Markos, he'd probably write a diary about it over at TOP.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Ahh, I see now
I was wondering if I had missed someone somewhere. Nope. I looked for you and he hasn't written anything about this that I can see. But for fun you should take a look at the tweets that MrWebster posted in Big Al's essay. A few ex kossaks rode his tail after dumping on Bernie. Again. And especially after Bernie's Yemen vote passed today. Bad timing and all that. Marmoset seems to enjoy it when poor people who voted for Trump suffer. He's not alone either. Sad.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Well,
why should he care about "those" people? Afterall, the little CIA dude got his Tesla and fancy house in the Bay area. /s
Love this tweet.
If you click on Markos' tweet, you will see a very long list of excoriating replies.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Kos is such an ass.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Ok, help please
If you or someone could please tell me how to embed tweets like this, I would greatly appreciate it.
I found a tweet that I wanted to share, copied the code from twitter, and have tried every method I can think of (paste code directly into comment, use the add hyperlink button, use the add image button) to post it here, and none worked for me.
With the code pasted directly in the comment, it partially shows up in the preview (without the image from the tweet) but when I hit Save I get a site error message and it won’t post.
I know I could do a screen shot and post that, but I want to post the actual tweet so it links to the original, like you all are doing.
I do not want to join twitter, but I would like to sometimes share something from there. Thanks in advance for any help.
Check the tweets for weird emojis
If there are some in the tweet just erase them before you post. Or flags. Try this. Looks like you're doing it right.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I never found any of that to be necessary.
See my comment below.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Interesting
Do you post from your computer or tablet? I have this problem using my iPad. I get the error message saying that the site is busy and to try again later. Erase it and I'm good.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Same here, also on iPad
Deleting the little rose emoji from the tweet code did the trick. Thx again for the help!
From my laptop and from my desk top.
I own an iPhone and a Kindle Fire but no iPad or other tablets. I suppose they might all be different. Hadn't thought of that. If all I'm going to do is type, I will post a comment with my iPhone. Anything more than that, and it would be a punishment.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
My Mac mini needs some love
It takes forever to post comments from it so I use my iPad. Did you know that Amanda posts her essays from her iPhone? I'd say she does a great job doing it that way.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Same problem for me w/emojis: How to embed a tweet
and I am posting from an old fashioned crappy lappy with a dead keyboard.
Copy embed code from the tweet. Examine for any emojis. Delete emojis. Paste the embed code as if it were text. And voila! The tweet shows up in your comment.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Not all all complicated.
Whether it is twitter or youtube, you want a copy of the "embed" link, not a copy of url link. Copy the embed link and paste it right into your essay or comment at c99 and hit save. DO NOT PREVIEW IT. c99 will give you an error message if you try to preview it before you post it. After you post it, you can always make changes if you have to thanks to edit, but you shouldn't have to change a thing. I don't check for emojis or anything. I simply copy the embed link and paste.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Thank you, trying it now
If it works, I’ll edit to add my thoughts on it. Thank you dk! I normally always use preview, but here goes...
Ok. It did have a ‘weird’ emoji (a rose), which I had to delete before it would post at all. So that tip was useful, thx snoopydawg!
However, this is not the full tweet with the image Scott included in it, unfortunately.(Edit: Now the whole tweet with image appears! Time delay. Fun! I’m learning)
I liked it mainly because Scott Wooledge is a former Kos front pager and featured writer, so the smack down from him to Kos was funny. Kos burned so many bridges when he went full Hillary.
Anyone see this one?
Now doesn't that explain a few things? I wonder what the years before it looks like?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Yes, that looks like a $450K DCCC incentive to purge DKos
and make that board a reliable echo chamber for talking points.
How much did it cost the Big Donor's to "clean up" the Left-wing of the Democratic Party in 2016? I'd say, it only cost the election.
But I'm so confused
Didn't Bernie cost Hillary the election because he wouldn't concede early enough and he said mean things about her?
The donations sure did their part in making it an echo chamber. Plus there was the Correct the Record dudes and dudettes that took the Bernie supporters to task anytime they posted truthful things about Her. I wonder how much of that money DK or Mark OS received? The kos dude was working for Hillary's new PAC victory for American or something like that while Obama was president. Maybe he has two Teslas now? Did he ever write his new book, Closing the gate behind me?
(seeing what else auto correct will come up with)
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
But......kos is begging users
to donate to make up for some sort of shortfall. Could that be the Tesla?
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
You should have seen the site during elections
Every front page diary asked for $$$$ which some of it goes to DK.
BTW. The Epstein deal hit the site and the first person that brought up Bill's name got hr'd. No matter that he flew with Jeffrey 26 times and ditched his SS a couple of times. Trump's director of labor was Epstein's lawyer. He should have been charged for 14 counts of statutory rape, but his lawyers got him the plea deal of the century and he was sentenced for 18 months, served only 13 and got to leave for 16 hours a day for work. Ken Starr was one of his lawyers. Did I send you the article on this? The Miami herald posted one, but the one I have has much more details in it.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I still get emails
on an account I very rarely even look at from Kos, and they sure have been begging for money lately. The one today is titled "Liz, Liz, Liz" but I don't ever even open them. I really should go there to try to delete that account but why bother, it is somewhat satisfying to see them beg. Every once in a while, for a laugh, I open an email in my phone with their diary titles, but not very often.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Now I remember
I blocked dkos from my emails. One of the few smart things I have done in my life. LOL
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Didn't anyone catch this??
Marmoset seems to enjoy it when poor people who voted for Trump suffer.
Good grief, the things auto correct comes up with.
ROLMA here and the dawgs are telling each other that I'm nuts. "Yep, Mom lost it this morn, Abby"
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
LOL - I saw it, snoopydawg
But I assumed it was intended, a new nickname.
Yeah, autocorrect is fun, isn’t it?
Ya got one on me
I was like, who's Marmoset?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Oh yes, I knew she meant Moosetits
Moulitsis, aka the little CIA dude.
I actually thought Marmoset kind of fits him.
Except for the fact
That's it's an insult to Marmosets. Hahaha!
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Darn autocorrect
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Yeah, but it made for a fun time
And it has the added bonus of bequeathing Moulitsas with a new name that only we will understand.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Chuckling ...
Thanks. I need this on this rainy day. I hate it when I can't walk.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
LMAO because
I actually thought that was what you meant to type.
Marmosets are actually kind of cute, unlike the neoliberal CIA dude.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I like this one...
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
If Kos was a CIA agent...
...that's terrifying for personal reasons.
I've read about CIA mind-control research ("mind-RAPE" would be a better term for it; they get into your head, and trash the place like a malware virus) - not just MKULTRA, but specifically post-9/11 stuff...and the way I've been treated, SPECIFICALLY on DailyKos for the final year I was there (2016-2017), adds up to something very similar to their brainwashing techniques. Some of the arguments I wound up in there made me feel...violated.
My observation was actually always that Kos himself seemed pretty hands-off, even if his own articles were obnoxious - but I've long been comfortable believing that site had an astroturfer squad. Some of the personages on there I REALLY want to know about (TrueBlueMajority comes immediately to mind).
My life's been on a steady decline ever since the day after sElection Day of 2004, but occasionally since then, I've found myself plummeting to further lows suddenly and for reasons I have trouble tracking, these past 3 years being among them.
I feel like I'm being turned into the next Ted Kaczynski. Read about what they did to him, if you haven't heard: He could have been another Newton/Einstein/Hawking, but Project MKULTRA DESTROYED him. They wiped their asses with his mind and threw him out.
I've always felt, obviously to an unhealthy extent, that the political is personal...but now I'm getting increasingly paranoid. Why shouldn't I be? The idea that the government's been brainwashing you is, of course, a well-known paranoid delusion...but what happens when the CONFIRMED FACTS get too close to the circumstances that would justify such a delusion...?
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Kos, more than a decade ago, claimed that he was "former" CIA.
Which is something like "former" mafia.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Is that like a lil bit pregnant?
Asking for a friend.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I wish you friend a pleasant and happy delivery,
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I don't write about this subject much, if for no other reason...
...than the reality that I've seen -- "up close and personal" -- a hell of a LOT of these types of episodes arise over the course of a lengthy career. My advice to all is very simple, at least when it comes to political media: Question everything! Take nothing at face value. And, if folks reading this comment have any doubts about the fact that "both sides do it" (and this has been an ongoing, inconvenient truth since, almost, forever in this country) in the U.S., just meander over to this Wikipedia page for some accurate history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendon_Group
Nowadays, and for far too many decades, the greater truth is that--when it comes to far too many issues; not all issues, but many of them--there's only one "side" in mainstream U.S. political media, in terms of how "political news" is widely "reported" in the MSM.
"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson
Question everything!
Good advice, bobswern. I start my day off asking what I'm supposed to be upset about today and it's usually something that Trump said, did or tweeted. The Manafort article I immediately saw as a joke.
You might have seen that few of us took it seriously.
Today's top story is that Cotton is raring to ruin prison reform.
Tom Cotton Is Here To Ruin Prison Reform
Always good to see you here.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Great to see you post, Bob!
Hope all is well with you.
And I have come to believe that you cannot believe anything that comes from someone/something of authority, which definitely include the MSM. My only regret is that it took me far too long to understand that.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98 Great to communicate
Great to communicate (here) with you, GG, as well! Looking forward to doing this more often, in fact. We shall see...because it looks like I may be gettin' busy, "in the real world," once again, come 2019.
"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson
What’s depressing in Germany is, total establishment groupthink.
The post-war Powers That Be have always been like, “Seriously question the official Allied line on anything? No, no, no, no. If questioning spreads, next thing you know, holocaust denial.”
More's the pity, I guess...
...the way things now stand, if a proper WWIII were to finally roll around*, then Germany would be in a prime position to finally get to play the part of 'The Good Guys!'
* = That is, were it to become more organized and tidy and whatnot, as the Pope has observed that WWIII is happening right now, just "piecemeal", and I'm inclined to agree with him.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Naw,
they'll more likely play the part of the Romanians, the dutiful pet of the empire, or at best, the Czechs, who went which ever way the wind blew.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Agree. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Not my circus, not my monkeys.
https://www.businessinsider.com/idioms-from-world-languages-2015-1
Sadly, or fortunately, depending upon your POV, I am not a member of any circus, including the Trump-Russia circus. However, I have for years criticized media, some "mainstream" and some not. They seem to get more worthless by the year. This article is certainly gishgallop, masquerading as journalism. Nonetheless, soon a bunch of maroons and/or shills will be swearing to it.
The only interesting thing about it, IMO, is that the author is a former CIA agent allowed to publish under a fake name. Hmmm.
There is no question in my mind:
This from a Vanity Fair editorial.
And this, too:
Who is even slightly surprised after all we have seen in the past two years?
The Guardian has been dirty since the Ed Snowden affair.
Let us not forget that the UK is on the hook here. They are the ones who spied on the Trump campaign and produced the Steele dossier. They compromised Papadopoulos and created all of the fake evidence for the FISA warrants. They are the foreign country that meddled in the 2016 US Presidential election. Their mendacity put Trump in the White House.
And what of Mueller? He is dirty beyond belief and has accomplished nothing. Nor is this his first rodeo. His filth and collusion goes back 30 years and there is an army of journalists with an avalanche of articles ready to pounce. Mueller and his work product will hide behind National Security and never see the light of day — to his immense relief.
"Targeting Michael Flynn & Shielding the Radical Cleric Gulen: Special Counsel Robert Mueller MUST Step Down," by Sibel Edmonds is but one example.
The Deep State has become reckless trying to get in front of this reality. This is going to roll right over them.
"Leave us not forget" that Obama put Mueller in the history
books by making Mueller the longest-serving director of the FBI since loony J. Edgar Hoover. (Why they cast Leonardo Di Caprio as that loathesome turd is beyond me.) In general, though, Obama just loved re-appointing Clintonites and Republican Bushites (Was there any other kind of Bushite? Seems only Democratic Presidents love crossing party lines to fill slots in their administrations. Even FDR did that and he had zero reason so to do.)
No doubt, Obama felt that he had to appoint Clintonites and Republican Bushites to fulfill his campaign promise of Hope and Change. /s
Thanks, Obama!
(Most clever thing the "half Governor" of Alaska ever said or is ever likely to say: "How's that Hopey, Changey thing workin' for ya?")
BTW, the following quotation about the FBI is attributed to Mueller:
Only fifty-six field offices in the United States?
Why no field office in Obama's 57th state?
Forty-five legal attaches overseas?
Even assuming I could figure out exactly what the hell a legal attache might actually be, why can't an agency that is supposed to be a domestic agency work with the CIA as to things that arguably require an overseas presence of any kind? Perhaps that would just not be sufficient duplication to pad the fat federal budget for enjoyment of US taxpayers?
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-fbis-legal-attache-...
Jaysus. Makes my eyelashes hurt, that does.
Thank goodness I have Obamacare. /s
Obama is the most useless President in history, and
Politico is worse than MSNBC and DailyKos put together.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Yeah on Mueller.
And yet there is a small headline in yes, the Guardian which I checked just for the hell of it and to see their spin, that Mueller is the "straightest arrow in America" or some such bullshit. Gag worthy and I'm glad I had swallowed my tea before I saw it.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
BTW, yesterday, I actually read in an insane internet realm,
that a denial published by a publisher (wikileaks) via Twitter is not a denial at all. I guess the maroon who posted that expected wikileaks to ask another publisher to scoop wikileaks on wikileaks' own denial! Why not? After all this is not a big story or anything like that. Amirite?
*Repeatedly bangs head against wall*
Thanks, Pluto
Did Luke not think that there would have been a lot of evidence if Manafort had gone to see him? First off people would have noticed and reported on it long before now if he had shown up there and there would have been video evidence of it. Next would have been his passport as you stated. Mueller would have known about that long before his trial.
People are making a big deal about the German bank that was raided today because Trump has gotten loans there. If they get charged and someone goes to prison then it's the biggest hypocritical act since HSBC was caught laundering money for drug cartels and they only had to pay a fine.
People have been doing what Manafort did and yet they don't have to go to trial over it. Podesta comes to mind. I haven't heard anything about his testimony yet.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Regardless, two Trumpers
claim R-gate story true, that Trump Team stole HRC emails to help tRump win election. Such claims change the game. Looks like Hillbots may have been right all along. {gasp}
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Trumpers claim???
What they claim changes nothing. They claim climate change is a hoax.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
True, that.
Today comes further evidence that The Guardian "entirely fabricated" a report that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort visited Julian Assange in 2013, 2015 and the spring of 2016; his passports...
Completely bogus fake news and evidence smearing by The Guardian. Both Manafort and Wikileaks are filing libel suits.
Let's say Manafort sues for libel and wins. How much should
Manafort be awarded to compensate him for damages to his reputation? His reputation was pretty crappy before Guardian published this story.
I realize that has no bearing on whether the story is true or false, but I'm going to play the adult ADD card while exiting rapidly.
Assange is also suing for libel
This is why it was so dumb for Luke to have written it and the Guardian posting it. It's too easy to prove it wrong.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Luke Harding is a hack
Aaron Mate totally destroyed him in an interview a while back. I am shocked how these presstitutes continue to be employed even after they have been exposed. The minute I saw Luke Harding's by line on this, I knew it was bogus.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ikf1uZli4g]
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
That video was great. The guy doing the
Interview had Harding tap dancing backward within the first 2 minutes. Stupid shit tried to use Steele and his dossier as proof of Putin’s evil intentions at one point. The Harding fool was so full of crap that the interview started to get funny (in a sad “caught ya lying didn’t I?” way).
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
no, two tRump insiders. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Do you have a link or source, please?
I just checked headlines and searched news, didn’t find a peep about this “bombshell” news. Not even on dkos, which would surely be dancing in the streets if this happened.
I see that trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen pled guilty on lying to Congress about something related to trump’s Moscow real estate deals, but it wasn’t about the DNC emails. I’m curious who and what you’re referring to. Thanks.
Edit: typo fixed.
Was in my FB feed,
but I think one was
Comey. Big guy, looks like Jaba.
Said something about dying in jail.
"I'm guilty, ready to die in jail," or some such.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Good thing you verified your reliable FB feed sources
before coming here and posting it with such certainty, eh?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Just the messenger.
Barely read the headline,
but posted just to see what's what.
Picture of a guy that looked like Jaba claiming email story is true.
Willing to die in jail for it. Thought it postworthy. ymmv.
Will likely recirculate.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Good answer
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Thank you for the amplification.
Very little of the info in the post of yours to which I am now responding was evident from your first two posts on the subject. But for a very polite request to you from CS in AZ and your response, we may have left this thread with a very different impression about an important story than we now have.
Speaking of people willing to go to jail to help out one Clinton or cannot help but remind me of Susan McDougal.
From her wiki.
When a judge orders jail time for contempt, the judge can keep the person imprisoned until the prisoner "purges" herself or himself of the contempt. In McDougal's case, this would have meant until she answered the questions. I'm sure someone, probably both her attorney and the judge, explained this to her when the possibility of being jailed for contempt first was mentioned in court, if not sooner.
So, when she chose jail time rather than out Clinton as a perjurer (irony!), in theory, she would have known that she could be in jail indefinitely, unless and until she changed her mind about answering the three questions. (It is sometimes said that a prisoner jailed for contempt holds the key to the door of his or her cell door because he or she earns release as soon as he or she complies with the court order.) That she was released without complying with the judge's order is not dispositive of anything, but I have wondered about that.
In any event, McDougal demonstrated that willingness to be jailed to help someone out is not unheard of. Come to think of it, Sandy Berger gad to have known he was at least risking jail time, too, though that may have been at least partly on his own behalf as well as Bubba's. And Berger was indeed caught in the act. https://www.foxnews.com/story/former-clinton-aide-pleads-guilty-to-takin...
(Not Pentagon Papers, but Pants Papers? And we actually paid these people and are paying others like them to run this country and to a degree, our own lives? Good God. Maybe we're all insane.)
This is an open thread so any topic is okay
I saw that people wanted to discuss other things and changed it last night so talk about whatever y'all want, it's good. But I guess that could have happened even if I didn't change it, but it removes the guilt.....
Seems a lot of people were willing to protect the Clintons during their presidency. I guess that was better than a different option. Like being shot in the head. Twice. And it being called a suicide.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I know!
you gotta feel pretty good
about that!
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Awww!
I was about to attempt some very mild Star Wars-based humor, until I saw this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Mulholland
and
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0611839/
RIP
Jerome Corsi was the drama queen.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I'm sure your listeners at Wink radio
Find your prognostications very informative.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Kind of looking that way
It doesn't make the issue of corruption of the Democratic party, or the hijacking of 2016 Democratic primary process or the travesty that was the Nevada 2016 state Democratic caucus go away. There was enough dislike of Hillary from the beginning to have made a difference in the Wisconsin or Michigan general elections. Hillary did idiotically put classified documents on her email server. And maybe Trump was a lot better at whipping up a crowd than the Clintons had planned. Bernie was the only clean person. Trump is bad news for America.
Beware the bullshit factories.
All true, except that whether it is looking as though Hillbots
were right all along became highly debatable, thanks to CS in Arizona's request of Wink ssnd Wink's response.
Michael Tracey tweet once said it all
Dang can't find the tweet but here goes paraphrase. He was commenting on a WaPo Russiagate article. It goes something like "Every article can have the title --Unknown source reveals accusations based on unproven and unseen evidence--".
And it is very true. The entirety of Russiagate is anonymous sources making accusations to reporters who haven't seen evidence for the statements/accusations. After his tweet and as I read multiple articles, yes indeed, every assertion was by un-named sources without any inspection of the "corroborating evidence" by the reporter. Russiagate has been very much about the major outlets simply performing stenography for known sources. If I was like really rich, I would hire some college students to read every Russiagate article from WaPo and NYTimes mark in a table if the source as named, evidence revealed.
But I have noticed that over time, reporters early in the article would say the article was based on unnamed sources (announcing their stenography). But as time went on, the fact that the source was un-named and evidence unseen is buried deeper and deeper into their articles.
And now this stuff. The Guardian article was so transparently bad that even Russiagaters had doubts. And then the ultimate. An ex-spy using a false name uses unfounded claims tries to excuse the Guardian, blaming Russians once again. In looking at the article, it is truly bizzare. The Russians apparently fooled Eucadorian intelligence about what was happening in their own embassy??!!
So even if Harding is wrong, the Russians still did it.
If someone needed permission to publish an article under an
assumed name, he or she couldn't publish the same article under his own name at Daily Kos. Er, I mean, he or she couldn't publish the same article under his or her own name at Daily Kos or acknowledge authorship of it under his or her own name anywhere else.
Speaking only hypothetically.
There is such a thing
as language analysis to determine if a writer of some article is the same writer of some other article.
The article could be compared to Kos' writings.
dfarrah
I've seen this comment in several diaries:
Trump referred "to the media as “the enemy of the people,” "
Trump said that "fake news is the enemy of the people", and the fake news promoters conveniently dropped off the "fake" part of the quote and went into hysteria mode.
And no, he did not need to correct his original statement to include "fake." I recall the tape when he originally made the comment.
dfarrah