Maybe if Hillary hadn't overthrown Gaddafi ...

Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 12:27am

Maybe if Hillary and her NATO buddies hadn't overthrown Ghadaffi, they wouldn't have this migrant crisis.

Before Libya, being the richest African country, provided refuge to huge number of refugees from sub-Saharan Africa.

If you can't handle refugees,dont destroy countries https://t.co/i5NVP2LIxj

— Esha & (@eshaLegal) November 22, 2018

Can she be any more tone deaf or say something more stupid than that?

Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists

“I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” Clinton said, speaking as part of a series of interviews with senior centrist political figures about the rise of populists, particularly on the right, in Europe and the Americas.

“I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken particularly by leaders like Angela Merkel, but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part, and must send a very clear message – ‘we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support’ – because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.”

Hillary still can't admit to herself that she lost the election because she was a horrible candidate and people refused to vote for her.

Clinton urged forces opposed to rightwing populism in Europe and the US not to neglect the concerns about race and identity issues that she says were behind her losing key votes in 2016. She accused Trump of exploiting the issue in the election contest – and in office.

“The use of immigrants as a political device and as a symbol of government gone wrong, of attacks on one’s heritage, one’s identity, one’s national unity has been very much exploited by the current administration here,” she said.

“There are solutions to migration that do not require clamping down on the press, on your political opponents and trying to suborn the judiciary, or seeking financial and political help from Russia to support your political parties and movements.”

Let's recap what Obama's coup in Ukraine has led to shall we? Maybe installing and blatantly backing Neo Nazis in Ukraine might have something to do with the rise of "populists on the right" that is spreading through Europe and this country, Hillary.

America’s criminal ‘news’ media never even reported the coup, nor that in 2011 the Obama regime began planning for a coup in Ukraine. And that by 1 March 2013 they started organizing it inside the U.S. Embassy there. And that they hired members of Ukraine’s two racist-fascist, or nazi, political parties, Right Sector and Svoboda (which latter had been called the Social Nationalist Party of Ukraine until the CIA advised them to change it to Freedom Party, or “Svoboda” instead). And that in February 2014 they did it (and here’s the 4 February 2014 phone call instructing the U.S. Ambassador whom to place in charge of the new regime when the coup will be completed), under the cover of authentic anti-corruption demonstrations that the Embassy organized on the Maidan Square in Kiev, demonstrations that the criminal U.S. ‘news’ media misrepresented as ‘democracy demonstrations,’ though Ukraine already had democracy (but still lots of corruption, even more than today’s U.S. does, and the pontificating Obama said he was trying to end Ukraine’s corruption — which instead actually soared after his coup there).

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 12:58am

Where are some of the refugees coming from?

Let's review the reasons for the Libyan war.

Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention

Historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency.

Hillary’s Death Squads

Under attack from allied Air and Naval forces, the Libyan Army troops have begun to desert to the rebel side in increasing numbers. The rebels are making an effort to greet these troops as fellow Libyans, in an effort to encourage additional defections.

(Source Comment: Speaking in strict confidence, one rebel commander stated that his troops continue to summarily execute all foreign mercenaries captured in the fighting…).

While the illegality of extra-judicial killings is easy to recognize (groups engaged in such are conventionally termed “death squads”), the sinister reality behind the “foreign mercenaries” reference might not be as immediately evident to most.
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Black Libyans were commonly branded as “foreign mercenaries” by the rebel opposition for their perceived general loyalty to Gaddafi as a community and subjected to torture, executions, and their towns “liberated” by ethnic cleansing. This is demonstrated in the most well-documented example of Tawergha, an entire town of 30,000 black and “dark-skinned” Libyans which vanished by August 2011 after its takeover by NATO-backed NTC Misratan brigades.
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By March 27 of what was commonly assumed a simple “popular uprising” external special operatives were already “overseeing the transfer of weapons and supplies to the rebels” including “a seemingly endless supply of AK47 assault rifles and ammunition.”

Yet only a few paragraphs after this admission, caution is voiced about the very militias these Western special forces were training because of concern that, “radical/terrorist groups such as the Libyan Fighting Groups and Al Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) are infiltrating the NLC and its military command.”
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Early in the Libyan conflict Secretary of State Clinton formally accused Gaddafi and his army of using mass rape as a tool of war. Though numerous international organizations, like Amnesty International, quickly debunked these claims, the charges were uncritically echoed by Western politicians and major media.

Two foremost examples are referenced in the latest batch of emails: the sensational claim that Gaddafi issued Viagra to his troops for mass rape, and the claim that bodies were “staged” by the Libyan government at NATO bombing sites to give the appearance of the Western coalition bombing civilians.

The "rebels" that received those weapons from the Benghazi embassy went on to use them in Syria when Obama decided to overthrow Assad. This resulted in over 500,000 Syrian deaths and over a million refugees who are flooding into Europe which Hillary says they should stop accepting.

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Submitted by leveymg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 3:28pm

Thanks for posting these links to HRC emails re Libya

@snoopydawg
Amazing how elusive they are (scrubbed from the State Dept website) and how they have never been picked up on by most of the corporate media.

Let's review the reasons for the Libyan war.

Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention

Historians of the 2011 NATO war in Libya will be sure to notice a few of the truly explosive confirmations contained in the new emails: admissions of rebel war crimes, special ops trainers inside Libya from nearly the start of protests, Al Qaeda embedded in the U.S. backed opposition, Western nations jockeying for access to Libyan oil, the nefarious origins of the absurd Viagra mass rape claim, and concern over Gaddafi’s gold and silver reserves threatening European currency.

Hillary’s Death Squads

Under attack from allied Air and Naval forces, the Libyan Army troops have begun to desert to the rebel side in increasing numbers. The rebels are making an effort to greet these troops as fellow Libyans, in an effort to encourage additional defections.

(Source Comment: Speaking in strict confidence, one rebel commander stated that his troops continue to summarily execute all foreign mercenaries captured in the fighting…).

While the illegality of extra-judicial killings is easy to recognize (groups engaged in such are conventionally termed “death squads”), the sinister reality behind the “foreign mercenaries” reference might not be as immediately evident to most.
**
Black Libyans were commonly branded as “foreign mercenaries” by the rebel opposition for their perceived general loyalty to Gaddafi as a community and subjected to torture, executions, and their towns “liberated” by ethnic cleansing. This is demonstrated in the most well-documented example of Tawergha, an entire town of 30,000 black and “dark-skinned” Libyans which vanished by August 2011 after its takeover by NATO-backed NTC Misratan brigades.
**
By March 27 of what was commonly assumed a simple “popular uprising” external special operatives were already “overseeing the transfer of weapons and supplies to the rebels” including “a seemingly endless supply of AK47 assault rifles and ammunition.”

Yet only a few paragraphs after this admission, caution is voiced about the very militias these Western special forces were training because of concern that, “radical/terrorist groups such as the Libyan Fighting Groups and Al Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) are infiltrating the NLC and its military command.”
**
Early in the Libyan conflict Secretary of State Clinton formally accused Gaddafi and his army of using mass rape as a tool of war. Though numerous international organizations, like Amnesty International, quickly debunked these claims, the charges were uncritically echoed by Western politicians and major media.

Two foremost examples are referenced in the latest batch of emails: the sensational claim that Gaddafi issued Viagra to his troops for mass rape, and the claim that bodies were “staged” by the Libyan government at NATO bombing sites to give the appearance of the Western coalition bombing civilians.

The "rebels" that received those weapons from the Benghazi embassy went on to use them in Syria when Obama decided to overthrow Assad. This resulted in over 500,000 Syrian deaths and over a million refugees who are flooding into Europe which Hillary says they should stop accepting.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 9:12pm

What else is amazing about her emails

@leveymg

is how no one really talked about their content, eh? We learned that she rigged the primary against Bernie and then everyone started talking about Russia! Just as she and Podesta wanted.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:08am

But wait there's more ....

Remember that caravan of refugees making their way through Mexico? Guess where a number of them came from? Honduras. Yep. Another coup that happened during Obama's and Hillary's tenure.

Hard choices: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath

In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissinger’s latest book, “World Order,” to lay out her vision for “sustaining America’s leadership in the world.” In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir “Hard Choices” and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obama’s administration now faces.
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The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”

The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Department’s response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In “Hard Choices,” Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony.

First, the confession: Clinton admits that she used the power of her office to make sure that Zelaya would not return to office. “In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary [Patricia] Espinosa in Mexico,” Clinton writes. “We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

Clinton’s position on Latin America in her bid for the presidency is another example of how the far right exerts disproportionate influence on US foreign policy in the hemisphere.

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Submitted by aliasalias on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 6:16pm

Count on Wikileaks for the unvarnished truth

@snoopydawg @snoopydawg Obama, Hillary and the rest of that administration knew it was a coup because that was the goal.

"..4. (C) In our view, none of the above arguments has any substantive validity under the Honduran constitution. Some are outright false. Others are mere supposition or ex-post rationalizations of a patently illegal act. Essentially: --
the military had no authority to remove Zelaya from the country;
-- Congress has no constitutional authority to remove a Honduran president;
-- Congress and the judiciary removed Zelaya on the basis of a hasty, ad-hoc, extralegal, secret, 48-hour process;
-- the purported "resignation" letter was a fabrication and was not even the basis for Congress's action of June 28; and
-- Zelaya's arrest and forced removal from the country violated multiple constitutional guarantees, including the prohibition on expatriation, presumption of innocence and right to due process. "
https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09TEGUCIGALPA645_a.html

Remember that caravan of refugees making their way through Mexico? Guess where a number of them came from? Honduras. Yep. Another coup that happened during Obama's and Hillary's tenure.

Hard choices: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath

In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissinger’s latest book, “World Order,” to lay out her vision for “sustaining America’s leadership in the world.” In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir “Hard Choices” and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obama’s administration now faces.
**
The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the country’s democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government “rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries,” opening the door for further “violence and anarchy.”

The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Department’s response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In “Hard Choices,” Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony.

First, the confession: Clinton admits that she used the power of her office to make sure that Zelaya would not return to office. “In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary [Patricia] Espinosa in Mexico,” Clinton writes. “We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

Clinton’s position on Latin America in her bid for the presidency is another example of how the far right exerts disproportionate influence on US foreign policy in the hemisphere.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:31am

Send them back ...

[video:https://youtu.be/dtu50I9IMys]

Notice how she doesn't acknowledge her role in the increased violence?

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Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 5:42am

Capitalism in action, folks.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 5:45am

How un-self aware is Hillary?

That evil woman thinks she has the right to preach to others about how to handle the very fallout from the horrific disasters that she HERself created? Hillary, look in the mirror, you evil woman.

From the Guardian article that snoopy linked above comes this not so shocking but arrogant statement by the evil queen herself.

Clinton said rightwing populists in the west met “a psychological as much as political yearning to be told what to do, and where to go, and how to live and have their press basically stifled and so be given one version of reality.

“The whole American system was designed so that you would eliminate the threat from a strong, authoritarian king or other leader and maybe people are just tired of it. They don’t want that much responsibility and freedom. They want to be told what to do and where to go and how to live … and only given one version of reality.

“I don’t know why at this moment that is so attractive to people, but it’s a serious threat to our freedom and our democratic institutions, and it goes very deep and very far and we’ve got to do a better job of shining a light on it and trying to combat it.”

This arrogance of looking down on the populace is very part and parcel of the neoliberal attitude of the ruling class takes to the rest of us peons. They created this unreality for the American people and have suppressed our right to know what is really happening in the world. Obama destroyed the Occupy Movement with violent police attacks and kettling. And then disgustingly, Clinton comes out with her hubristic victim blaming.

The Clintons are nearly single handedly responsible for much of the destruction of the American middle class and the repression of poor and black people under Bill and the violent destruction of many countries under Hillary. And yet neither Clinton is willing to own up for all the human misery that they have caused wherever they go. Unfortunately, the one place they refuse to go is just away forever.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 6:26am

Twitter is not too kind to Hillary, just a sampling

@gulfgal98

Apparently Hillary Clinton's 2020 platform will consist of two things:

1. We need to stop all these fucking brown people who sneak into our countries and ruin things for the nice, white population.

2. Bernie Sanders is a racist.

Well, that's one more than last time. #Progress https://t.co/H5jb5l5ZNK

— "Angry Jon Snow" Graziano (@jvgraz) November 22, 2018

The belief that HRC & her circle are principled & progressive is just as fictitious as the belief that they lost to a reality TV host because of stolen emails, social media trolls, & a (fictitious) conspiracy between the reality TV host & the Kremlin: https://t.co/iyTC1M6uws

— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) November 22, 2018

Bombing a nation into smithereens like a real neocon, then refusing to help its people fleeing from the terror she created -like a real neocon.

Hillary Clinton, a progressive who gets things done -you know, like the neocon she really is. https://t.co/IQWFy4Rn3O

— Amir (@AmirAminiMD) November 22, 2018

Clinton says Europe should make clear that “we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge & support.” Isn’t this the attitude we denounce Trump for? Speaking of irony, Clinton’s regime wars in Libya & Syria (& Iraq, indirectly) fueled the migration she wants to stop. https://t.co/CIkkGRRKNd

— Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) November 22, 2018

This ego-maniac sees the world's problems - which she had a huge hand in creating - only through the lens of her electability. Apparently, the only problems the world has are the one's that keep her from sitting in the Oval Office. Everything else is fine. She is deplorable.

— Tom Hillgardner (@Tom4CongressNY6) November 22, 2018

Ah yes, Trump only won because the Democrats weren’t harsh enough on immigration https://t.co/0ULBP23O4S

— Abby Martin (@AbbyMartin) November 22, 2018

Hillary Clinton & Tony Blair now say migration issues "lit the flame" of RW populism in Europe and they must crack down.

Neither admits THEIR disastrous war & destabilization policy, neoliberal economics (incl sanctions) drive millions to flee https://t.co/8HUY2i25Sy pic.twitter.com/MaRiRkPjRM

— Joanne Leon (@joanneleon) November 22, 2018

That evil woman thinks she has the right to preach to others about how to handle the very fallout from the horrific disasters that she HERself created? Hillary, look in the mirror, you evil woman. From the Guardian article that snoopy linked above comes this not so shocking but arrogant statement by the evil queen herself. Clinton said rightwing populists in the west met “a psychological as much as political yearning to be told what to do, and where to go, and how to live and have their press basically stifled and so be given one version of reality. “The whole American system was designed so that you would eliminate the threat from a strong, authoritarian king or other leader and maybe people are just tired of it. They don’t want that much responsibility and freedom. They want to be told what to do and where to go and how to live … and only given one version of reality. “I don’t know why at this moment that is so attractive to people, but it’s a serious threat to our freedom and our democratic institutions, and it goes very deep and very far and we’ve got to do a better job of shining a light on it and trying to combat it.” This arrogance of looking down on the populace is very part and parcel of the neoliberal attitude of the ruling class takes to the rest of us peons. They created this unreality for the American people and have suppressed our right to know what is really happening in the world. Obama destroyed the Occupy Movement with violent police attacks and kettling. And then disgustingly, Clinton comes out with her hubristic victim blaming. The Clintons are nearly single handedly responsible for much of the destruction of the American middle class and the repression of poor and black people under Bill and the violent destruction of many countries under Hillary. And yet neither Clinton is willing to own up for all the human misery that they have caused wherever they go. Unfortunately, the one place they refuse to go is just away forever.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 6:46am

And amazingly, should she run, the 'left' will back her anyway.

@gulfgal98 Because they just HAVE to get a rich, far-right, patriarchal white woman elected at any cost for the sake of 'making history'. If these idiots really wanted to make history, they'd work like hell to put someone in charge who actually had the balls to hang the pigs and their collaborators for their crimes.

#5 Apparently Hillary Clinton's 2020 platform will consist of two things: 1. We need to stop all these fucking brown people who sneak into our countries and ruin things for the nice, white population. 2. Bernie Sanders is a racist. Well, that's one more than last time. #Progress https://t.co/H5jb5l5ZNK — "Angry Jon Snow" Graziano (@jvgraz) November 22, 2018 The belief that HRC & her circle are principled & progressive is just as fictitious as the belief that they lost to a reality TV host because of stolen emails, social media trolls, & a (fictitious) conspiracy between the reality TV host & the Kremlin: https://t.co/iyTC1M6uws — Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) November 22, 2018 Bombing a nation into smithereens like a real neocon, then refusing to help its people fleeing from the terror she created -like a real neocon. Hillary Clinton, a progressive who gets things done -you know, like the neocon she really is. https://t.co/IQWFy4Rn3O — Amir (@AmirAminiMD) November 22, 2018 Clinton says Europe should make clear that “we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge & support.” Isn’t this the attitude we denounce Trump for? Speaking of irony, Clinton’s regime wars in Libya & Syria (& Iraq, indirectly) fueled the migration she wants to stop. https://t.co/CIkkGRRKNd — Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) November 22, 2018 This ego-maniac sees the world's problems - which she had a huge hand in creating - only through the lens of her electability. Apparently, the only problems the world has are the one's that keep her from sitting in the Oval Office. Everything else is fine. She is deplorable. — Tom Hillgardner (@Tom4CongressNY6) November 22, 2018 Ah yes, Trump only won because the Democrats weren’t harsh enough on immigration https://t.co/0ULBP23O4S — Abby Martin (@AbbyMartin) November 22, 2018 Hillary Clinton & Tony Blair now say migration issues "lit the flame" of RW populism in Europe and they must crack down. Neither admits THEIR disastrous war & destabilization policy, neoliberal economics (incl sanctions) drive millions to flee https://t.co/8HUY2i25Sy pic.twitter.com/MaRiRkPjRM — Joanne Leon (@joanneleon) November 22, 2018

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 7:44am

Perfectly stated

@The Aspie Corner Obama and Hillary are the result of the Democratic party's focus on identity politics while jettisoning any substantive policies which the people wanted and needed. This strategy of not rocking the donor boat has led directly to Trump.

If these idiots really wanted to make history, they would make life better for all humans by ending these wars and take real action on climate change.

But, but, what about their real masters - their large donors?

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 10:42am

Execute the donors as well. They're just as much to blame.

@gulfgal98

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Submitted by Lookout on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 7:44am

you can't make this shit up...

The best line is -

If you can't handle refugees, don't destroy countries

The $hill needs to go. No she should have been tared and feathered...
tar and feather.jpg

then given a free ride out of the country on a rail
ride on a rail.jpg

I posted this yesterday to illustrate how out of touch these neocon morons are....

In an outrageous act, the Democratic Party is threatening to pick a Speaker of the House who is even more conservative than Nancy Pelosi if the few progressives in Congress do not concede to the party establishment and endorse her.

The overwhelming majority of the opposition to Pelosi is coming from the right wing of the Democratic House caucus. Think about that. Congressional Democrats are so corporate that Nancy Pelosi is significantly left of center. The party gives us a choice between Pelosi and someone who is even more attached to Wall Street.

Faced with this threat, progressive Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Pramila Jayapal are giving in and endorsing Pelosi for Speaker. These are the kinds of no-win choices that the party forces progressives to make.

https://www.forapeoplesparty.org/aoc-endorses-nancy-pelosi/

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Submitted by Tall Bald and Ugly on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 10:51am

If these

@Lookout @Lookout so called firebrand progs had Any balls they'd tell the Party to go F@ck themselves. Hold the line with your twenty plus member caucus, force the Dims hand and make them use Pig votes to get a speaker elected. Show the World that the Dims ain't on their side.
We all know that here, already, of course.
'morning NCT.

Edit; apparently I'm not awake yet. Should have said g'morning in the OT.
Time for a burner.

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Now you know. . .
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Submitted by Big Al on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:49pm

"Decisions they're forced to make".

@Tall Bald and Ugly Shit, they made those decisions when they decided to run with the democratic party. Forced to make is pure bullshit.

Submitted by wendy davis on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 11:21am

lol. the ovien queen has been busy:

ya see, it's all Putin's fault!

Hillary Clinton: Putin leading white supremacist and xenophobic movement https://t.co/r0xNAuEqT7

— Sideman (@_Sideman44) November 23, 2018

Submitted by Azazello on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 2:47pm

Do you suppose she's saying this

@wendy davis
because of that stuff that came out about Ukrainian Neo-Nazis training American ones ?

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Submitted by wendy davis on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 4:52pm

it's hard to say

@Azazello

what she's trying to signal if one combines thee two paragraphs:

The former secretary of state did not mince words when discussing the Mr Putin during a lecture at Trinity College Dublin, and declared that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election - which is the subject of multiple investigations in the US Congress and the FBI - as a "clear and present danger" to Western democracy.

“Vladimir Putin has positioned himself as the leader of an authoritarian, white-supremacist and xenophobic movement that wants to break up the EU, weaken America’s traditional alliances and undermine democracy,” Ms Clinton said. ”We can see this authoritarian movement rippling out from the Kremlin, reaching across Europe and beyond. It’s emboldening right-wing nationalists, separatists, racists and even neo-nazis.“

her last sentence takes some mental gymnastics for me to parse, especially given that she and her hubbie's foundation were key in the maidan putsch. but i have any number of links concerning who's funding the neo-nazis in ukraine, including israel and the US, georgia (?), all of which is a nato proxy war of course. but yes, this may be part of it, but russia isn't implicated. ‘FBI: Neo-Nazi Militia Trained by US Military in Ukraine Now Training US White Supremacists’, w. webb, mintpressnews 'chickens comng home to roost, indeed, esp. courtesy of john mccan and vicki nuland.

the acid test will be the presidential elections in jan.; the smart money afaik is on yulia tymoshenko, formerly 'the blonde braided one'.

they've lost control of their neo-nazis!even the 'papers o record' were finally forced to admit it: zounds!

Submitted by aliasalias on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 8:53pm

About that "white-supremacist" Country

@wendy davis I refuse to believe Hillary really believes that accusation (which I find even more galling) because she has been to Russia more than once and had all the info the State Dept. regarding Russia's ethnic makeup. Maybe not the exact numbers would be fresh in that evil mind,but the reality is its a Country stretched across eleven time zones and with approximately 200 cultures,kinda hard to not notice some variety in the population.
She is just spouting more pro war propaganda,that's HER nature, death and disaster capitalism spread near and far.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 9:17pm

Yep

@aliasalias

She is just spouting more pro war propaganda,that's HER nature, death and disaster capitalism spread near and far.

She and everyone else who is spouting the Russian propaganda knows that is all it is. Pure bullshit to get people to give their permission for us to go to war with Russia. Just like Bush did with his WMDs scam. The PTB knew that people wouldn't fall for it again and so they went with a different WMDs scam. You'd think that people would be on guard for being lied to again wouldn't you?

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Submitted by Big Al on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 12:18pm

You know, it's not just Clinton, or the Clintons.

We've seen the infamous video of Madeleine Albright ("we think it was worth it") and really, countless other examples where people in power say one thing when the truth is the complete opposite. Somebody must have done a study somewhere that analyzes and defines this type of very odd behavior. They (lizard people?) seem to have the ability to completely believe what they're saying. It's like taking lying to a surreal level where the lies become the truth and the truth becomes the lies (maybe someone wrote about that?).

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:12pm

Of course, it is not just the Clintons but

@Big Al Hillary is the one who is spouting off her mouth in the Guardian article that snoopy dawg has used as the basis for her essay. Clinton's own hubris comes across with her holier than thou attitude about turning back refugees from conflicts she created. And yes, I agree that she and Madeleine Albright are cut from the same blood thirsty, war mongering cloth. These people have no souls.

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Submitted by Big Al on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:44pm

Agree, I veered off a little there

@gulfgal98 thinking about the overall disease as opposed to how it's afflicted Clinton, more than most for sure.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:40pm

She's is being taken to the woodshed over her asinine statement

Published on Friday, November 23, 2018 by Common Dreams Reflecting Democratic Party's Past, Clinton's 'Deluded and Dangerous' Remarks on Migration in Europe Spark Outrage

"The approach Clinton is advocating will be a death sentence for millions and millions of people, and we should be clear about that."

The rise of xenophobic, right-wing extremists intent on stoking bigotry and prejudice against foreigners in Europe and elsewhere has startled observers around the world—but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton angered critics Thursday when she revealed her belief that the onus lies with European leaders to curb migration in order to appease those same extremists, rather than to protect the rights of asylum seekers.

“I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame” of white nationalism there, said @HillaryClinton. That is a sickening capitulation on her part. You don’t stop racism by giving in to racists. https://t.co/UbsYvRDv5c

— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) November 22, 2018

Climate change, a crisis created by the developed world, is going to force poor people across the globe to move in order to survive. The approach Clinton is advocating will be a death sentence for millions and millions of people, and we should be clear about that.

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) November 22, 2018

One of the worst/privileged remarks uttered by Hillary Clinton in this deluded and dangerous interview on refugees is when she says “I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part”.

WTF? 85% of the world’s refugees are hosted in developing countries!https://t.co/fc8xgr1xEo

— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) November 22, 2018

Nailed it!

There’s a tendency among the anti-Trump majority to imagine that everything would be ~fine~ if a handful of votes had gone the other way in Wisconsin two years ago. This should give all of us pause. https://t.co/bXxBiuGDQU

— Julia Carrie Wong (@juliacarriew) November 22, 2018

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 1:52pm

Typical Hillbot apologist

There is clearly a very serious situation with right wing nationalism in a number of European countries but I don’t think Hillary Clinton had articulated an acceptable policy. Right now there doesn’t seem to be a good answer. And the role of Russia should not be ignored as Russia is doing all it can to back the right wing nationalists and destroy the EU so Russia can be a true superpower.

Certainly a lot of the hate against the immigrants is being stirred up by fake news from Russia and other sources and I would assume social media is playing a big role. Probably the most important thing is for the US to get Donald Trump and his gang of white supremacists out of the White House so the US could assume leadership again on human rights. This can probably be accomplished if all the voter suppression tactics and lies by the Republicans can be overcome in the 2020 election.

Russia backing the Neo Nazis and White Supremacists? Good lord!

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Submitted by dystopian on Fri, 11/23/2018 - 4:39pm

Good stuff SD

Hillary and her ilk are greedy, delusional, entitled, neo-lib war mongers. Power freaks of the evil sort that should be kept away from it. There is no liberal in neo-lib. Few people, perhaps no woman in America, has done as much damage to the world as Hillary Clinton. Russiagate has lost a couple years so far and counting, that could have been spent moving forward and advancing society *on REAL issues*, but which is not the neo-libs goal any more than it is the conservatives goal. Progress has been highjacked by HER cockamamie schemes.

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Submitted by Dalum Woulu on Sat, 11/24/2018 - 5:30pm

She is really okay

with the right wing part, it is the populism that bothers the would be queen/empress.