NYT Says It's Only White Guys Who Don't Like Hillary
Well, this must be true because it is in the New York Effing Times. No one else is to blame for her failing to have already put away her only opponent for the Democratic nomination, a little known Democratic Socialist with no media coverage and no support from the Democratic establishment.
White men narrowly backed Hillary Clinton in her 2008 race for president, but they are resisting her candidacy this time around in major battleground states, rattling some Democrats about her general-election strategy.
While Mrs. Clinton swept the five major primaries on Tuesday, she lost white men in all of them, and by double-digit margins in Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio, exit polls showed — a sharp turnabout from 2008, when she won double-digit victories among white male voters in all three states.
She also performed poorly on Tuesday with independents, who have never been among her core supporters. But white men were, at least when Mrs. Clinton was running against a black opponent: She explicitly appealed to them in 2008, extolling the Second Amendment, mocking Barack Obama’s comment that working-class voters “cling to guns or religion” and even needling him at one point over his difficulties with “working, hard-working Americans, white Americans.”
You know, there are certainly white men who probably are not voting for her because she is a woman, just as there were white men who voted for her in 2008 because her primary opponent was a black man. But to make the leap that her main problem with Democratic primary voters is all due to the sexism of white men, is a pretty big leap. Especially when she polls so poorly among young women, especially young white women. These young women are even writing open letters explaining to their parents why they do support Hillary over Bernie.
You taught me about being a baby boomer, about the Vietnam war, about being "freaks" instead of "hippies", about getting drafted, and about not being someone's "chick." You taught me that music & art are political tools. That your parents generation just didn't understand. That equality is more important than security. That political action is imperative as a citizen of this country. That it was cool to vote for Ralph Nader. That change doesn't need a precedent to be viable. That the establishment has rarely, if ever, been right. That we serve those less fortunate and we never, ever, ever stop debating.
Most importantly, you taught me that women should never be under anyone's thumb.
So, why are you voting for Hilary Clinton?
Clinton biggest supporters, regardless of gender, are older voters, and among older voters, older women are her strongest supporters, though a majority of older Democratic men also support her over Sanders.
Clinton commands majorities over Sanders among those 50 and older (65 percent to 32 percent), those who are not white (63 percent to 34 percent), self-identified Democrats (60 percent to 38 percent) and women (61 percent to 37 percent). Among women 50 and older, Clinton leads Sanders by 48 points—73 percent to 25 percent.
So, for the New York Times to claim that it is mostly white men who oppose her candidacy, with the implication that they will not vote for a woman, is misleading, at best. She has tremendous name recognition, a ton of money raised in 2015 in the invisible primary and the Clintons' developed long term political relationships over the last two decades with leaders in the African American community.
Bernie came into the race a virtual unknown with no money, and no backing from the Democratic establishment. In any other year he would have been a fringe candidate who dropped out after only a few months, at best. But this year played out differently. Far more of Sanders' support comes from people under the age of 50, with his largest group of support among those under 30.
That is the defining difference between Hillary's supporters and Bernie's: it's generational, not gender.
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BBB is a douchebag...
He is one of the worst things about that place. And as a non-white person, I don't like Hillary either...I am a male, so I guess I am just sexist.
don't forget racist..
Only PoC know what racism is. If they say it is racist, it's racist. White people are not entitled to an opinion on racism. Quote/unquote - Markos
So you get to decide you're a racist - A okey.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
So
Is Markos a person of color? Or is he white? Seems like he's whoever he wants to be
depending on whether being one thing or the other best suits his perposes.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Hmmmmm ...
"Seems like he's whoever he wants to be depending on whether being one thing or the other best suits his perposes."
HRC: Seems like she's whoever she wants to be depending on whether being one thing or the other best suits her purposes.
Methinks the two are well matched ...
"Long term: first the rich get mean, then the poor get mean, and the rest is history." My brother Rob.
Hillary
Paraphrasing Kris Kristofferson:
"She's a walking contradiction,partly truth,but mostly fiction."
Solidarity
I've taken to calling her
I've taken to calling her Schrödinger's Hillary--she exists in a quantum state of super-triangulation: she's everywhere and nowhere, everything and nothing...
well matched
You DO. NOT. WANT. to know what images that brought into my poor brain!
Hello, Dow Chemical? I want to place an order for a 55-gallon drum of brain bleach.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
He self identifies as Latino...
But I'd swear he looks Ratino to me.
Waiting for the Animal Rights crowd to pile on me now....
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
Oh hell,
they have called ME sexist too...
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We should form a club of women called sexist for rejecting HRC
I was called out in superior tones by a self-described feminist for using the term "cackle" in this quote from Hillary about murdering Gaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died, cackle." I informed the poster that I'm a woman nearly HRC's age, studied feminism with Kate Millett at a women's college, and I didn't need anyone else to school me about feminism, but thanks. The same poster also informed me--as if I didn't know--that women can be sexist. I chased her down a long thread, told her she could have the last word, she thought she did, then I replied with a smiley emoticon. She hopped back in saying that was clever but unfair. Such a silly and meaningless exercise, but damn, it felt good. (I must be a shallow person.)
Of all the intolerant a-hole types, I find the self-appointed PC police to be among the most insufferable. And generally devoid of humor, especially about themselves.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
As their targets get more and more diverse
The PC police are unfortunately showing themselves. Used to be they could shout down anybody they disagreed with from what was considered a moral high ground. Now it's just obvious Squid tactics to win arguments. (Spray ink everywhere and hope the other side gives up)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I saw that
Yes, women can be sexist. Phyllis Schlafly, for example. But women not liking Hillary is not sexist.
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They called me sexist too...
WTF?
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
I deleted the link to his post
because on second thought, why give them any traffic?
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
I used to really like his writing...
And then he went off on Athiest. Him not being banned for that was a sign.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
OT
I have always thought that you had the best user name ever!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
You are spot on about BBB.
I believe he posts under a similar handle on DU and is just as bad if not worse there.
He gives douchebag a bad name.
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
One of the primary reasons I left
He and others made it quite clear early on that they were intentionally using race to divide the site, in an attempt to make Sanders supporters "look bad" online.
I don't know how anyone lets that happen.
prog - weirdo | dog - woof
Ya know....
I'm a 61 year old white woman and I am getting sick and tired of Clinton AND the NYT just taking it for granted that I am going to vote for her... I wouldn't if she were the only other female on the planet and had crawled across broken glass to beg me for my vote... I detest her...
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If an island were the setup
as another 60ish woman I would vote her off that, too.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I beat you by a few years
I am a woman and definitely qualify in the 65+ category. I voted for Sanders in our primary. MO almost gave him the win. Wish we could have taken him over the line.
Her supporters claim she can get things done. In one way, I agree with them but the things I fear she will accomplish are not things that I support. Some of her supporters will even admits that she is a hawk. Why would they want a known hawk to be CIC and give us a more muscular military involvement around the world (she can get it done).
Then there are all of those Wall St., K St. etc. IOUs just wainting to be cashed in by her donors. I shudder to think of what she can get done to pay them off.
My wife will be surprised....
She's not a white guy, and happily caucused for Sanders here in Minnesota.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
How's she doing with LBGT folks?
I just ask, because that's the highest card I've got in Victim Poker.
(I think it beats disabled war veteran, but loses to POC)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
After her Reagan gaffe and nopology?
Extremely poorly. Saying Nancy Reagan started the conversation on AIDS is like saying Giuliani started the conversation on police brutality.
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Anecdotally
A lot of my gay male friends on social media (I'm queer & work as a writer, so it's a decent sized sample) have forgiven her, if they were even bothered by it. God knows why, but they have. If they can overlook everything else, they can overlook that. I was watching gay men who lived through the 80s defend Reagan in order to defend Clinton. Truly Bizarro World.
Sigh...
I'm on record as being still angry with her about it... but then, I'm going with "I'm a member of Gen X, and we hold Grudges forever".
Makes as much sense as the excuses given for forgiving her.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Preach
As a fellow Gen X-er, #Imwithyou
I'm a 67 y.o. white woman and
i will not pull the lever for her. She'd better pick a good VP (a heavy weight ) b/c if she wins the nom and the presidency, if the DOJ does not indict her the FBI might leak these details Hillary has an NSA problem
and
Don't believe everything you think.
It's weird to me
that women over 50 poll well for her but I don't know any women personally who can stand her. Not me, not any of my friends, none of the women at work...where, exactly, are these women who love her?
Inside the Black Box voting machines?
Waiting for the conspiracy police to arrive...
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
Mrs. Bollox..
has a knitting group that meets pretty regularly. I've never heard a supportive word for HRC.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Anecdotal Story from a fellow Bernie Canvasser
...whom I worked with manning a Bernie GOTV Table at a local town festival last fall. Take it as you may...I am telling it as best as I can remember.
This lady was a mid 40/50ish year old lawyer, and she told me she was hired by Hillary's law firm after she graduated from law school in the 1980's. She hated Hillary - said she was nothing but an 'authoritarian bitch'. HRC was so bad she made all the female lawyers and staff in the office wear drab grey, dark blue or black outfits to work - Hillary was the only female allowed to wear colorful, stylish suits and dresses. She had to stand out as the Queen Bee. My co-volunteer told me she would never vote for HRC in a million years no matter who ended up running from the Clown Car. She felt HRC was evil personified.
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
Hmmm.. female, non-white, mid-50's here -
(ok, so it's a lot closer to late 50's chronologically, but who's counting? You're as young as you feel, right? And my kids keep telling me to grow up... and I have NEVER supported Hillary. As much as I'd like a woman leading this country, she is at the bottom of my preference list. If I can't trust her, I won't vote for her. Period. Nothing else to be said. And none of my friends (male or female) are willing to sell their collective souls to put a woman like her into the White House. We value our karmic legacy too much - and my conscience wouldn't let me sell out for anything that will jeopardize future generations environmentally, or economically.
I want the best person leading this country. They can be pink with purple polka dots and totally non-gendered or uber-gendered, as long as they are trustworthy, honest and have the best interest of We, the People - that's all I care about. Is this such a difficult concept for people to live by???
Think off-center.
George Carlin
Yeah... obviously it's her gender
I'm utterly certain Elizabeth Warren would've run into that same group of misogynistic white guys.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
The biggest tragedy of 2015!
When Warren finally convinced us she really, truly, absolutely would not run. I would have worked for her even more enthusiastically than I am for Sanders!
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Me too
Hopefully someday she will be our President.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
NY Times has been in the tank for Hillary from the get-go
Everybody knows it who's been paying attention, so anything they spout is just more Party line pap.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Another funny thought on this topic
Because I'm such a complete sexist and won't vote for Hillary, if it comes down to Hillary vs. Trump I'll be voting for that famous old angry white guy, Jill Stein.
Here's my "I side with" scoring. I discount how it places Hillary because they assume Hillary is telling the truth with her policy statements. I do tend to agree I'd probably be closer to the Hillary that exists in speeches than I am the real Hillary.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
It's more
about generation than gender.
In general the Clinton people would rather that generational discussion go away. They don't understand it.
Probably because
they can't really address generational issues without being rightly shamed about the unholy mess they've made and are perpetuating for that group to have to clean up.
I jest, actually. This would require some self-awareness on the part of Hillary and her ilk, and I don't think a belief that the world revolves around your navel constitutes self-awareness.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop