Wonder If Kos Is Having Second Thoughts?
As an Admin. for Street Prophets and Shamrock American Kossacks I have ties over at Daily Kos that I really can't break. I must say however all of us at Street Prophets really miss having our own space on the web and not being tied to Daily Kos. We were shut down when DK4 took place. A lot of promises were made but none kept. Ojibwa made sure I stayed by making me an Admin.
What a difference a year makes. Yesterday was St. Patrick's Day and at this time last year there were lots of Irish themed diaries. There were tons of comments and people had fun. This year there were two diaries, both of them mine. One was with Irish recipes at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/17/1502428/-Some-St-Patrick-s-Day-... and the other was the Street Prophets Coffee Hour that I do on Thursday with Irish Blessings at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/17/1502445/-Irish-Blessings-and-Wi....
It looks like all traffic is way down over there and Kos may have really screwed up big time. He has screwed up before but this time I don't think he is going to recover. I'll tell you if I were a C.E.O. there and someone made such a boneheaded move that pushed and angered so many people away that person would be fired. From a business point of view this is a disaster in the making. You need subscribers and this purge has driven away more people then just those in danger of being banned. I have noticed in the last year or so that there has been a big exodus in many groups I used to write for. The place is just too toxic.
With having to be a 24/7 caregiver and one whose has been battling flu like symptoms since February 6th I just don't have the strength or inclination to try and cope with the mess over there. I am thankful to the people here for opening up a place to be that is non-toxic. Princess Pixie also appreciates it since it keeps mommy calmer.
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Keep an eye on this space
They're talking about eventually having sub-topics, and something might be able to be worked out at that time.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Remember,
This blog has no money and no staff. Poor Johnny is going to need a rest home after the wish list we all gave him.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
the wish list
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It's not all on Johnny, and it won't be. And shouldn't be.
One more reason why we own this site: we take ownership of it whenever and wherever we can. Something you're not even allowed to do at "That Other Place" (TOP), yet we are crashing the gates to be allowed to do it here.
c99p will be here for many years to come. I wouldn't be surprised to see articles here about the complete demise of certain other websites......
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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Provided for TOP, JUST in case...
They need a graphic for their new editorial direction.
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LOL!
I literally laughed out loud at that. That's how I felt about it. I think I can stay within the rulez, but I resent them and I will NOT write a pro-Hillary diary. You're going to accept free content and then try to give me assignments?? No, if Kos wants me to write on his topics, he can pay me.
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WE really don't own this site.
We all get to call it home, but this is Johnny's blog.
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Yes, but so far, he's far less authoritarian than certain...
other blogs that shall remain nameless. So relax & enjoy.
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You are right.
Johnny is not the other guy at the other place. Johnny shares and plays well in groups.
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I was there for 12 years...
I will never go back.
Me Too 12 years
I'd lost any reason to go there years ago. I just started going back to support you guys and stir the pot. lol.
Funny how once you're inside The Village everybody else looks like barbarians, huh?
FU, you corporate whore and you know who I'm talking about.
Feel the BERN, MFers! That's, I'm sending Bernie another little contribution.
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here also. October 2003.
Don't believe everything you think.
Same here
12 years...I guess a lot of us joined during the Howard Dean era...
I remember having an argument with my brother when Dean dropped out. I told him that Kerry would lose and he thought I was crazy, but I warned him anyway. Kerry didn't inspire people and no one would make an effort to go vote for him. It wasn't that anyone loved W, it just that Kerry didn't drive any enthusiasm. Aaaaand...we got 4 more years of W. Did anyone on the democratic side learn a lesson from that? No.
I feel like I'm watching it happen again this time around, only so, SO much worse. The only difference is that I held my nose and voted for Kerry. Won't do that for Clinton.
What pissed me off...
...was that I knocked myself out for that Milquetoast. I donated $$$$, I canvassed the precinct for weeks, I phone-banked, I hosted phone-banking parties. On election day I hosted 12/13 people from 5 states at my house to do more phone calling, go out and get people to the polls, drive them to the polls when necessary, bought the crew breakfast, lunch and dinner, and endless coffee. Some of the mob from far away had to sleep on the sofas and floor because it was too late for them to go home. Just imagine how much it costs to feed 15 people for a day or so. We had the highest voter turnout in years.
I did all that happily. Happily!
Then Ohio looked very shaky, very shady, and that sack-o-shit didn't utter the slightest peep about a recount. Not a word.
[can't go on with this... blood pressure.]
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Question
Are you referring to Howard Dean or John Kerry?
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
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Yes
Strange that a harp of thousand strings should keep in tune so long
Just got back to this thread...
Kerry
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That has always been my long held grudge against
John Kerry. Some big bad stuff obviously went down in Ohio and he just walked away. My theory has always been that his vanity was more important to him than the integrity of the electoral process - he just didn't want to be categorized as a "sore loserman" like Al Gore. One of the reasons I initially liked John Edwards on the next go-round is that according to all reports, he wanted to fight the Ohio battle.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I was there in Ohio for the
I was there in Ohio for the vote. In my precinct the poll worker told me that the precinct had fewer machines than in 2000. It was a mess. I will never forgive Kerry for not contesting the recount.
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Just coming up on my 12 year anniversary!
I won't be going back to celebrate it! They lost me forever!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
what good businessman shoos away 2/3 customers?
crazy move but it makes him feel important, like a power broker. Ok, that's it, last comment from me about there.
Last comment from you about
... where? What?
I will continue to refer to that place as TOP
That Other Place, with no further clarification.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
GOS
We at Street Prophets call it GOS for Great Orange Satan.
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Not posting on DailyKos
I visit the BNR. That's it.
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A Guess
My guess is about Daily Kos.
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Hope things are going better
Hope things are going better for you, Michelwin.
sorry, not clear? Last comment about dKos
and if the comment itself wasn't clear, that site was 2 to 1 for Bernie. What kind of businessman wants 2/3rds of his customers to leave? Or would be snide and nasty to them?
Ok, that's it for real now! No more about that place.
a business man whose business is simply a front?
it's the packaging, not what's really there. fuck it. and them.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
It's going to take a while to get over.
Especially after being there for years, two, three, five, eight, ten years, the anger doesn't go away overnight. Totally understandable.
Like an old, comfortable shoe
Like an old, comfortable shoe that I click without a second thought. I turned up there reading/lurking during the 2008 cycle. I'd read some off and on almost since their inception, but I never thought the site really hit its stride until about 2006-2007. I started reading it religiously during those primaries. I actually had another login for awhile, but I didn't use it after I signed on as me in late 2010. Been there just about daily ever since, mostly because there for awhile, you could really get some good information there and you really felt like you belonged to something, albeit in a small way.
I liken it now to a Trial Balloon Farm, where good ones that fly there go onto the Corporate News Cycle, and bad ones go to die. Still some good tidbits now and then, but (and especially in the last six months) far too toxic for good people to get sucked into. And honestly, sometimes I wonder if there's not more to it. I remember back in the 80s, when FOX News was first really taking off, being "hooked" on them for awhile. It didn't take me long to realize they were bullshitters, but all the same, it took patience to break the actual habit. I literally felt a little withdrawal. And so it will go here, I am sure. That's kind of creepy, I hope I just have an overactive imagination! That being said, I also feel an immense anger, even though I haven't been there as long as others here. Because that little loser really squandered an opportunity, and probably just to feed his bank account and his obvious Napoleon complex.
Oh! I know!!! I know!!!
An out of business businessman...?
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Joined there in 2005
Everything I care about from that site is here now.
Yeah, the house is burning. The owner set the fire for the insurance money. Even if he manages to put it out, the place ain't gonna be the same, ever again.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Markos needs to be destroyed
Not physically, obviously, but we need to take action to make sure he loses every single bit of his money and influence that he built exploiting the creativity of those he now bans. He's a horrible person and I will take great joy in seeing DK destroyed.
A good place to start would be getting the cartoonists to pull their work from DK. I can't imagine Tom Tomorrow (especially) wants to be connected to this censorship.
Who is this "Markos" person?
And who gives a stinky shit about his centrist propaganda organ?
Their position in the media pretending to speak for us
should make us give a shit.
Daily Kos is far less influential than they imagine
I know many people and friends-of-friends who are involved, issue-oriented activists or politically active and involved, and *none* of them read Daily Kos. Most people I talk to or ask about it have not even heard of it, most who do know of it consider it just another place like Huffington Post, essentially an online tabloid. Which is pretty much what it is now. In fact that place is not anywhere near as significant as they like to tell themselves.
After the elections are over...
they may be reduced to tabloid journalism, reporting on the Roswell Incident and the Kardasians. The sooner people let DK fade from memory, the better because I do not think it is a place that we will want to be associated with in the long run.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
That's why this kerfuffle was unnecessary in the first place
No saying anything that might harm Hillary? As if DK has that kind of influence in the first place? Or that banning any unfavorable Hillary info will somehow make any difference to all the other media sources and blogs that are talking about this stuff? Kos is delusional.
All I can think is that there are economic or political
considerations that are not apparent from the outside. A corporate purchase or takeover once the rabble rebels are purged? A cozy place in the prospective new administration? SOMETHING.
Because otherwise this really does look like an unforced error. Sheer stupid.
Political
There are times I look at the mechanics of the "admins" and their little posse enforcers and wonder if it's not an exercise in learning how to manage rabble to good effect, while they're mentally training us to stop being Rabble ourselves (ie. "toeing the Noted Line so that we might be permitted to remain there" because its importance is immense?)
Learn how to be a good citizen, and all that? Pure propaganda. Shit, even the nickname of "Kossack" has its own little weird association. Very 1984-ish, IMO....
Hadn't thought of that
Action - make sure in all your communications on line, you are clear about your experience about TOP. ( like that description)
Have a few lines you can clip & copy into every communication, kinda like a tag line, make clear you will stop posting it by a certain date. Clarify your experience with the purpose of discrediting Kos and TOP. Direct your friends to find you here, Caucus99percent ( two birds, etc.)
After posting those lines on FB, Twitter, where ever you are a presence on line, make sure it clarifies that TOP does not represent you or your views and you will not be participating there at all.
Don't know whether it's worth it to go into "exploitation" as everybody seems to do that now.
Creepy to think other online places would think TOP represents who they are pretending to represent: new & better Democrats, NOT.
Markos
A chrome-plated asshole who has abandoned his published principles for personal privilege, power, and money.
I do, and you should as well. You should give it the same attention as you would, say, Breitbart.
And -- alas! -- for the exact same reasons!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
no need to do that - he perfectly well destroys himself, if
he goes on like that. I think he might want to destroy his own blog to have a good reason to start another business in another field. It would look more reasonable.
He already has another business. He was a founder
of I think it was called Sports Nation and then got money and it turned into Vox... something like that. Check out Wikipedia. DKos is only a fetish for Kos, something he can be the king of.
yes, I knew, I read his diary announcing it, I wish him
all the luck he needs or want for this. But it doesn't interest me.
He made an unforced error - a self-inflicted wound, not
unlike Clinton herself. Best to let what's left back there "evolve" (on or off the issues) as it will and not look back to see if it's turned into a pillar of salt.
Now we can get on with the enjoyable activity of building a community here and watching it grow as new voices join and contribute. I look forward to that process (while recognizing that new refugees from "there" may need some time to vent, and it's a kindness and important to their healing to allow them to do so).
To the creators of this wonderful place: Have I told you how much I LOVE the edit feature? If not, please know that I kiss my fingertips to it with nearly every post.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
With that in mind
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFwODaF1yGU]
A video that was shared with me here.
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Oh! My!
*ROFLMAO*
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And never happier to have done so!
Glad you like it as much as I do!
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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Thanks again!
All credit to you! I just find it such an apt allegory for the Hillary Campaign.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Kos has his head stuck way too far up his ass
I don't think he's ever going to be able to extract it even with the assistance of a top-level proctologist, and his little empire is crumbling like Barad-Dur when the One Ring was destroyed.
Some of us knew when he threw his first tantrum what was inevitably going to happen, and made advance preparations.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I'm happy I was able to
come in on your coat tails.
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The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves!
"So... there's this here can-of-worms. And frankly, it stinks. Now, if we smack everybody who mentions the smell, it'll stop smelling so bad."
Voila, Magical Thinking!
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Do not care- it is over for me
I was there for almost 12 years- May 2004, and I will never go back. Yesterday was the first time that I did not visited the site in several years.
My biggest gripe is that all of us (many of you more than me), worked, fostered, promoted, and made him what he is. The unmitigated gall is that all of you sweat and bleed for him then he treats everyone like crap.
To me one our goals should be to take the best, brightest, and all the good stuff, and make this place even better. To transform our efforts into a true movement, just not make a bunch of money and be a limo liberal.
major thumbs up
The GOS' Place
It's like inviting everyone over for a barnraising, having it built and then throwing everyone out and calling them deadbeats. Meanwhile, smiles from the owner and a hearty, "I built that!"
Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is justice. -H. L. Mencken
A country without a memory is a country of madmen.-George Santayana
An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailments of all republics. --Plutarch
Out of curiosity
I checked out Greywolfe359's profile. He/she has written over 150 diaries and tens of thousands of comments. I would guess that the total wordage equates to at least two novels by a conservative estimate. Markos banished him/her because he couldn't take a joke. He has zero respect for those who provide him with free content and his whole business model from top to bottom is a parasitic one.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I first checked out the
I first checked out the DailyKos in 2005. Set up an account in 2007. Ironically I started to write more diaries in the last few months trying to find my way politically, and to try and work out my concerns about Hillary.
Of course I've been "timed out" more times in the last 3 months than the prior 9 years. In fact, I've been put on TO 7 times for some of the most absurd excuses, though at least once I almost asked for it by stating that I refused to "coalesce" around a single candidate until, you know, the race was over.
The prior 9 years? Once, about three years ago and I STILL don't know what that was about (seriously, I was just sent a message about "not cheering for prison rape" with zero context. I for the life of me could not think of when I would do such a thing, unless I uprated a snarky comment alluding to the topic and that was enough. :P)
But the Lord of the Rings parody that got the author banned today pretty much pushed me over the edge. I think I have to walk away from the derision and mockery of the Hill People (even as they screamed the equivalent of "I know you are, but what are us?!" at me) and the fact that it looks like Kos sold his soul to Sauron for that "place at the table" people keep talking about, whatever THAT means.
Just another refugee from the Daily Chaos.
Really, I was reading there for a long time and never
much cared for Markos' first thoughts. Why should I care now, if he has second thoughts? It's his business and platform. The content of his blog DID NOT belong to him, as much his software set-up tries to make it feel like it was,. He didn't allow commentators to redact or edit their own comments and his loyalist famous supporters discouraged other people from erasing their diaries. So, that is now coming back at him like a boomerang. It's a business model that has outlasted its usefulness, imo.
Graph showing traffic at TOP
Does anyone have the graph posted a few days ago showing the traffic at TOP
I thought I had it bookmarked, but I don't
Just curious to watch what happens
Thanks if you still have the link showing traffic at TOP
Here's the quantcast link - warning, it shows Kos traffic is up
There's a dip on 3/11, then a huge spike for the next two days 3/12 and 3/13, then a big drop-off after that. But currently it is still up from earlier in the month and year.
https://www.quantcast.com/p-94z2SIg8PaHLI#trafficCard
I've never looked at this before, but it's interesting. This data makes me wonder if The Great Purge was actually a publicity stunt? If so, it seems to have been successful, at least in the short term. So many people moving to Reddit and posting links back to DKos on there could be a factor; Reddit is yuuuuge. But the curiosity and outrage will fade. Long-term effects remain to be seen, but I doubt there will be big change overall.
I'm certain that Kos is not having any second thoughts about this. He could not care less about the exodus.
He must be getting new Hillary supporters
perhaps he wants to become the party propaganda apparatus? Or at least part of it. Nice echo chamber you've got there buddy.
I have not even looked over there today, first day off it, feels OK. I really only read diaries anyway, and learned so much. But I started surfing that site in maybe 2009 looking for an alternative to main stream media crap and party only politics. No reason to go back there now that the people I want to read have been silenced. No reason ever to look at the comments to hear the same shilling over and over again. What the hell would be the point?
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Well if this is a marketing ploy
trying to lure people from Reddit and the likes, he is going to get a lot of troll traffic too... and they will drive him nuts. I hope...
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Interestingly enough...
the comments section over there is starting to resemble a Youtube video.
Just an observation, but he's getting the "New Users" he wanted. Of course, they represent the vast majority of internet users. You know, the common clay of the New Internet,
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
IMO, he wants an echo chamber.
and that is created through less traffic. I think he did mean to alienate many of the people who think differently than him. It is all rather amusing, at any rate. I hope it serves as a lesson to those who want "more and better Democrats."
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An echo chamber centered in a
An echo chamber centered in a fictional world.
Rarely go there now
Much better for my mental health and blood pressure.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I knew LotR parody
wouldn't last long. It was flippin' hilarious. Didn't take long for the faux outrage to settle in. Second comment after tip if I remember right.
You can't go into any diary anymore without someone taking any statement as a dig on the Hill.
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
When I see, or think of, TMI, to me it will always be
Three Mile Island, 1979. Coincidentally, the same year The China Syndrome was released!
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Too Much Irradiation!
Well,
When the Hillary Campaign manager said something about having bought a liberal blog sight to shift to Hillary, it made me wonder.........
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Blog "site"?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
I'm not sure
He has first thoughts, let alone second.
The guy comes across as an angry, unpleasant person in his posts.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Not to mention Condescending and Arrogant.
along with hypocritical, obsequious, sycophantic, delusional, mercenary and pedantic.
And I guarantee he would have had to look up at least half of those words.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I think the site appers to be for sale.
I compare it to showing prospective buyers a home, furnishing it for display.
I need to check on my subscription, make sure it does not automatically renew.
I am so happy to be here!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I was there for almost 12
I was there for almost 12 years, started with MYDD, then went to DailyKos after they merged. Did not like Kos back then, he always was arrogant and self-centered. I left on March 1st and have not been back to the sight. I would not recommend visiting the sight at all, let the stew I their censored cesspool. Traffic will eventually decline.
Please, all. Let's do proper spelling and grammar here at least.
"Site", not "sight".
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Hi there, michelewln!
I too have noted it's a little dull over there. I'm going to try to hang in at least until kos' next diary about how all the lovely changes brought lots more people to the site. Because I think they're gone now, and I want to see what he says about that. I too have ties over there I don't want to break, which is why I'm going to try to be here too, because some people over there won't be there any more and will be here instead. What a screwup!!
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Yes, I as well with various groups I don't wish to leave!
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Thank You
I appreciate all the people who have taken the time to stop and comment. I have read all your comments and appreciate the passion and thought behind them.
Some of you know me from the GOS. I'll try and come up with a diary in a few days for those of you who don't know me that may explain the painter cat icon and Oscar Wilde love to you. As someone (who didn't like me) once said "you're weird!" Well actually I just march to my own drummer who is probably Ringo Starr.
A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world. Oscar Wilde
Y'know, Michele,
I didn't recognize you since you and the sock puppet (real one, not an internet fake) got a make over. At least I thought it is a sock puppet given my grandpa eyes and kindle browsing.
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
A Secret
I always loved coloring ever since I was a child. When I discovered the adult coor books I was ecstatic. It introduced a new world of color design letting me work with an author to get together to create the beauty of an work of art. I will admit I make real sock monkeys however there is just me of DKOS.
A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world. Oscar Wilde
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A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world. Oscar Wilde