Hilarious right-wing fails at smearing DSA
The right-wing Daily Caller made a trip to Kansas to see Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders speak. This rally in a deep-red state had to be moved to a larger venue because it sold out in under 10 hours. It's important to remember while reading this article that the writer is opposed to Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez, and that she is trying to smear socialism.
I can't emphasize this enough, because it certainly looks like the writer is doing PR work for the DSA.
Pretty much! pic.twitter.com/73nxk22W55
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) July 2, 2018
But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.
I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.
Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.
Yes, how "terrifying" it would be if all the children got the healthcare and education they needed to thrive, and all workers made enough to live on.
How, uh...hmmm. Scary??
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: "We will not rest until every person in this country is paid a living wage to lead a dignified life." pic.twitter.com/6u73x2kyVI
— FOX Business (@FoxBusiness) July 23, 2018
“I was listening to them talk – to Ocasio-Cortez and also to Cori Bush, who she was stumping for in St. Louis – and they say things, they talk about things that everybody wants, especially if you’re a parent,” the writer said. “They talk about education for your kids. They talk about health care for you kids. The things that you want. If you’re not really paying attention to how they’re going to pay for it or the rest of that, it’s easy to fall into that trap and to say, ‘My kids deserve this,’ and, ‘Maybe the government should be responsible for helping me with that.'”“I was mostly uncomfortable,” she continued. “I was surrounded by a group of people who had gotten involved because they were tired of being angry all the time. It seems like so much effort to be angry about everything instead of focusing on what you could do to change it. It was really uncomfortable.”
How uncomfortable it is to be surrounded by people trying to change the world for the better in a proactive way, rather than being angry all the time.
Or was that terrifying?
Remember, they are trying to smear socialism, not promote it.
It's kind of hard to tell, so trust me on this.
All they can do is tell you that you are some sort of weirdo by wanting working people to live with dignity. Because reasons.
Nevermind all the polls that show socialist policies are popular.
Polling repeatedly shows that Americans believe health care is the major issue facing the United States, with a majority saying they support “Medicare for all” or a significant expansion of the program. While fiscal hawks such as Third Way harp on Social Security’s supposedly out-of-control finances, Americans say they support eliminating the payroll tax cap to shore up the program’s finances and up the amount the program pays retirees. Majorities in both parties back making public colleges tuition-free and say they would like to see increased financial regulation, both of the behavior that led to the mortgage crisis and 2008 crash, as well as rules to protect individual consumers.At the same time, the Trump tax cuts, which showered the wealthy with permanent giveaways while giving most of us small-time cuts that currently sunset in 2025, remain resoundingly unpopular. And you know what enjoys popular support? Making the rich pay more of their fair share.
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Democratic insurgents getting non-voters off the fence
disgusted with both parties
Yes.
Just wait until the actual Democrats show up -- and watch the nonvoters go back to being nonvoters.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
It existed for a lot longer than one moment.
It existed for a lot longer than that.
From the time Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected in 1932 to the election of Richard Nixon in 1968, the Democratic Party which advocated and acted for the kinds of things today's DSA and the likes of Bernie Sanders and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez do was the Democratic Party, at least in all States with a continuous history of loyalty to the Union.
This was no fantasy. I lived a good part of it, as much as a 1958 model could have. I also lived the persecution and near extinction of these ideas and their advocates from the "Democratic" Party personally. One example: I worked my ass off in 1974 to get Gary Hart elected to the Senate from Colorado that first time, even though I would have no vote for two more years. When this Senator who I worked so hard to make such turned and proclaimed that "the New Deal is dead", I got really pissed. (I haven't volunteered politically since.)
So it's true when you say:
But the road to that state of affairs is a little different than you described it.
Bernie and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez are the reappearance of Democrats as most Americans knew them from 1932 to 1980. Today's "actual Democrats" -- read "Eisenhower Republicans" -- don't like the idea, of course. But the Dems will keep losing until the New Dealers are back in command of the party.
You see, Harry Truman is still correct: when given a choice between a "Democrat" running on Republican conservative policies, and an honest Republican, Americans will make sure the latter will always win. Always.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It'll be interesting
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Not impressive
@Cassiodorus That's why we need good
This line is fun:
Stupid infants! They should stand on their own two feet and earn their own healthcare and education.
Meanwhile, in Detroit, a judge agrees with our conservative here:
"Access to literacy" Is Not a Constitutional Right, Judge in Detroit Rules
I see. So truancy laws require "students" to go to school, but in school they have no actual right to "minimally adequate education," which makes the schools into prisons -- somewhere the "students" are forced to go but in which they do not have a right to anything.
You'd think a competent lawyer could show that thousands of Detroit children are in fact being deprived of what in Constitution-speak is called "due process of law" here.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
I am no expert on this lawsuit,
but here is the argument as I superficially understand it.
1) All MI children including the mentally, emotionally, and physically handicapped are entitled to a public school education. Handicapped kids can attend public school until age 25 at which time the school's obligation to educate the student ends and the child must move on.
2) A student/parent sued the State of Michigan because he reached the end of the public school's legal obligation to educate him, and he couldn't perform at a 3rd grade level. I don't know what limitations or barriers if any the student had.
3) The question as I understand it is, if a student is guaranteed literacy (3rd grade), what happens if they are not physically, mentally, or emotionally or mentally able to achieve it?
4) I don't know the legal details. The suit or the judge or both could be totally unreasonable.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The key words tipping me off here --
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
The universal message
is "if you work full time you should get a roof over your head, enough to eat, and someone to look after you when you get sick".
Any Republican outside the 1% is going to support that.
"That's Soshulizm!!!! You be skeered now!!!"
I guess socialism isn't so bad then...
Once you get past "Soshulizm is skary", the Repubicans and corporate Democrats don't have anything. But if Big Media is determining the conversation, making sure no issues get discussed, the "debate" is over.
But if you campaign directly to the people, bypassing Big Media and talking about issues ... they got nothing.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Soshulizm is skary
Both MS Dems and everyone on the right is scared of labels. Or at least wants you to be scared of a label.
But after decades of the GOP saying that Liberal=Socialism=Fascism=Feminism=Atheism=BoogeyManism is leaves too many opportunities to not believe the propaganda.
It's sort of like legalizing pot. There were so many "official" lies told about pot that eventually people stopped believing ALL of the propaganda.
Good one. Winger repeating progressive policy in positive way
It is beginning to look like progressive ideology and policies are being implanted and so far counter propaganda of right wingers ain't working very well. The real challenge will be the corporate establishment democrats who will try to suppress progressives by suppressing progressive candidates. It looks like the progressive movement is being born or reborn in Red States and core urban areas.
Ha, ha! This is awesome!
Thanks g.
stupid wingers
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Populism: It can go in 2 directions
Donald Trump used fake populism to get elected and take over the Republican party. These right-wingers know it and they worry left-wing populism is coming their way. Their biggest fear is tax increases since they believe in Ayn Rand's "Virtue of Selfishness". They are hoping the establishment Democrats come to the rescue. Clinton and the DNC cheated Bernie Sanders, but I don't think it's going to work this time. The Republican establishment tried their best to subdue Trump during the 2016 Republican primary and it didn't work. I don't think the Democratic establishment will be able to stop progressive policies. Bernie Sanders let the genie out of the bottle.
Some rightists.
I believe that 2016 was an anti-establishment, anti-status quo election, as a number of analysts (but not all) have said and written. I also believe that Sanders, who was a much less crude, much less insane, much less dishonest anti-establishment candidate would have defeated Trump had he gone into the thing intending to win and there had not been a vast establishment-wing conspiracy against him that included the DNC and establishment media. As it was, voters had a choice between Trump, who portrayed himself as anti-establishment and Back to the Future Hillary, who tried to sell herself as a better, not to mention female, version of both Obama and her husband. YMMV
Many of us said so vociferously at the time
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My point is that I do not agree that all of the right
currently fears populism.
But, yes, the left is always correct. Whenever the moral arc of the universe bends toward justice, albeit ever so slowly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Parker, the arc is bending toward the left.
Here's some not so hilarious facts from the farther left
about the imperialist Russiagating DSA, in the interest of balance on a non-partisan blog.
"The alignment of the DSA with American imperialism is intrinsic to its political DNA. The organization was founded in 1982 through the merger of two moribund and anti-communist organizations: the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee of Michael Harrington, and the New American Movement, one of the more conservative remnants of the New Left radicals of the 1960s."
"This fact underscores the real character of the DSA and its entire effort to “reform” the Democratic Party. Ocasio-Cortez and the DSA are propping up one of the two parties of American imperialism, while seeking to block the emergence of an independent movement of the working class directed against the capitalist system and all its political defenders and apologists."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/21/dsad-j21.html
Digging a little deeper...
Also take into account that the ICFI are of the Trotskyist persuasion, and as such are doing their usual thing of failing to understand coalitions and how they work. This is not to say they're somehow bad, just a bit blinded by ideology. I've seen that happen all too often.
Appeals to self-interest, not fear or hate?
Stupid lefties, they just don't know how to do politics!
Actually, I think they know how to do politics better. Wait till establishment Dems and Republicans gang up to throttle this agenda, and Federalist judges start throwing everything progressive out of court. Then the anger coming from thwarted hope will pour gasoline all over this new left movement, causing it to explode all over the country.
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Mixed reaction.
I fervently hope that you are correct about the anger. However, I cannot help but feel that Americans stopped getting destructively angry at their rulers some time between 1774 and 1784.
A few examples since
1877
1892
1921
There have been any number of labor actions, including violent
ones, and also quite a few localized uprisings and rebellions. However, I don't see any of them as comparable to a nation, albeit a nascent one, voting to attack its own official rulers. Apparently, winning the right to vote for representatives dampened our ardor for that sort of thing. (I think that's the reason I harass us about the difference between a democracy and a republic and also between democracy and widespread suffrage. https://caucus99percent.com/content/sleights-santa-and-republic)
With the democratic party and the russiagater DSA?
This appears to be the Repubs Messaging Strategy against AOC
Fox & Friends is spewing the same horseshit bullet points. Trying to smear her as a unicorn saleslady.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-falls-face-first-into-ocas...
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