Well an American grand jury has indicted 13 Russians for interfering with the US election
So, should every country who’s elections we’ve interfered with do the same?
Special counsel Mueller: Russians conducted 'information warfare' against US during election to help Donald Trump win
•Special counsel Robert Mueller said a grand jury had indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election
•The defendants allegedly conducted "information warfare" against the United States election process to help Donald Trump win.
•The defendants used fake American personas, social media platforms, and other Internet media to advance their scheme, according to an indictment.
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Rosenstein said there is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the scheme, nor is there any allegation that the scheme affected the outcome of the election.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/russians-indicted-in-special-counsel-rob...
No collusion? What happenef to that? And I can’t wait to see how Mueller pulls off their extradition.
EDIT: typo
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More kabuki
seems to me. How does one illegally use the internet to influence? Boy, I almost can't wait to hear the explanation of that.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Grand Juries don't usually indict based on kabuki
I don't know why it's so hard to believe this is real. It doesn't mean that Hillary wasn't an awful candidate who hijacked the DNC for her own purposes. I think there's too much apologizing for Putin by pointing to others, like Hillary, here.
Beware the bullshit factories.
STOP with the damn apology
Just what does Russia gain from this? Destroying American Democracy? PLEASE. I would LOVE someone to answer that question with some kind of coherent answer. But that's not to be, nope, instead we're going to war with Russia because we elected a fucking moron to the White House all by ourselves but we certainly cannot admit that. We cannot admit that the moron was countered by one more warmongering America Firster who had a little bit better rhetoric but who at the end of the day is made of exactly the same ugly shit as the moron. USA, USA, USA!!!!
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
The Vichy Intercepts bought their way into the CFR
...with Reality Winner's life.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Micah Lee has joined the bandwagon too
His hit job on Assange didn't go over well either on the Intercept or Twitter. Mr. eBay has always been a member of the 1% percent. The Intercept was created to write about the Snowden files. When's the last time they wrote anything about them? It more like they have buried them. Greenwald is included in this.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Maybe Putin really didn't want Hillary to be President
A feeling I would share.
Sometimes I feel like saying that Putin messed with our system is like saying I saw the abominable snowman here. I just want to know wtf is going on in our country and just because our government f**ked with other people doesn't make it ok for the Russian government to mess with us.
Beware the bullshit factories.
??? Who said it was ok???
It looks foolish to point fingers at someone else when you’re doing the same damn thing. More often and against more countries.
We ALL want safety and security. But that’s not the way it is. It’s a cruel world full of flawed individuals. Maybe if we expect ethical behavior from others, we should have shown some ourselves somewhere along the way, but we didn’t. Ask the Iranian or the Honduran people. We left them at the mercy of some cruel thuggish people after our CIA helped overthrow Mosaddegh
in 1953 and the Obama admin supported the narco-terrorists that overthrew Zelaya in Honduras in 2009.
We’re simply getting a dose of what we dealt out to others. It doesn’t make me happy either. But I understand why it’s happening.
EDIT: typo
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@lizzyh7
Agree overall, albeit with a caveat: the other moron had long since promised Her donors that Bibi would be, immediately upon Her assuming Her throne, brought in for consultation and to institute that cherished illegally-US PTB-imposed Syrian 'no-fly zone' to have 'an excuse' to shoot down Russian planes invited in by the Syrian government - while the US military was not and has been asked to leave - to fight terrorists of the sort which the US PTB had (at American taxpayer expense) variously trained/armed/funded/worked with/was supportive of/complicit in bringing in, in order to (at American taxpayers expense) illegally overthrow another government of another people's country, to force in their own puppet-government to do their corporate/billionaire bidding. Trump at least slowed things down a bit, in that area, for a while.
And I also seriously do not think that voters count beyond the facade of plausibility, especially since the Electoral College (abruptly switching to Trump from Hillary, just as various billionaires variously announced that they gave up on the Dems and needed a 'new brand') was used to override what was said to be the popular vote... there is no legitimate US government, of, by and for the people, guaranteeing equal rights, treatment and opportunity for all, throughout all States of the Union.
An undeniable landslide for Progs only might work, despite all this, if organizing for something like a nation-wide strategic vote was started immediately, before more 'laws' are passed in more places to make this impossible or the pretense of elections stops entirely, but even here, people are divided, something that's been carefully ingrained over decades into the American public consciousness ...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Did you even bother to read the article?
Mueller wants to criminalize political rallies and online election advocacy by anyone not a US citizen.
And somehow you think Putin is the problem?
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Not to mention the hubris!
It’s that damn assumption that the Dems own minority votes again! Why is this never called out for the offensive and, yes, racist idea that it is?
Edit: and they aren’t even claiming that they can prove the efforts changed voting! FFS!
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
This is all BS.
Golly! It was Slick Willie Clinton who interfered with the Russian election. And now it’s his bitter half and her crowd that’s whining that she lost for the same reason. And she had a phony Dosdirr doctored up as proof.
And you REALLY need to pay attention to Rosenstein’s very own words:
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Here's my problem with it.
First, all the facts aren't out. Second, 13 nationals and three entities don't necessarily equal Russian state government. I now have dual citizenship. So does that mean I have to quit rabble rousing for a particular candidate on the internet or the Italian government will be responsible?
Do I believe that some foreigners trolled the internet just like David Brock's trolls trolled Bernie? Yes. Do I believe there are all sorts of money laundering deals going down between foreign states and our crooked politicians? Absolutely. What I don't yet believe is that the Russian government did anything untoward with our elections that we and they haven't done before. I don't believe that Russia made Trump win or Hillary lose, AND there still isn't an iota of evidence that Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta emails.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
They’re making this nonsense up as
they go.
Like I said, how’s the extraditions gonna fly?
If I were a Russian this would be hilarious. For us, it’s a disaster.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Amanda Matthews
Actually, the Russian people - who also defeated the invasion of (and essentially the first attempt of global domination by) the Nazis at great cost and will not again wait to be attacked in their home country - have again been living with the threat of the lunatic US Psychopaths That Be dropping nukes on their heads at any moment, since they looooove their delicious mass-murders and other abuses of attacked/invaded/dispossessed civilian populations, and I don't expect that that's very amusing for the people there.
From 2016 (emphasis mine):
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/russia-conducts-nuclear-drill-wit...
I dunno, would brutal, murderous home invaders be termed 'hawkish'? Seems they'd qualify, going by this.
Telling that she's been in there affecting policy-for-power-and-profit, especially considering that the Clintons had been out of public office for years and that The Mad Bomber would have had no chance of winning any free and fair election where non-psychopaths were permitted to run.
(And I still can't figure out how Putin hacked the multi-millionaires/billionaires and Electoral College who both dumped the Dems pretty much at the last minute, these giving Trump the Presidency over what was said to be the popular vote...)
And what's also telling is that The Psychopaths That Be have made no preparations for their fellow-citizens among The relative Poors, who can't afford/get access to luxury bunkers TPTB believe they can access in time, since they'll be the ones starting the global extinction of life on the planet and expect to have plenty of warning to be 'safe' inside a comfy cell, until the power's interrupted or their shelter's breached, or the safe water supply runs out, or any number of other things.
Apart from the radiation and various other issues, I really don't think that such as those postulated metal 'trees' as replacement for the global natural life support system are going to produce enough oxygen around the globe to replace that produced by the entire web of life, which even now, while ever-more-rapidly dying of industrial/military pollution, destruction and greed, still (while what remains survives) providing all we need to live - or to support anyone breathing out there following Mutual Assured Destruction and catastrophic global dimming for a decade or more... in other words, TPTB plan to destroy the world, including their often-stolen wealth along with the worth and concept of money, to jail themselves for however long they last, cooped up in there, as the 'victors' over human-kind and life itself. But I suppose, in their view, at least there'll be nobody else left to have anything at all, which is something they certainly seem to feel strongly about.
Also, for those in doubt about the Russiagate scam, this resource was posted on site a while ago, in another thread:
https://medium.com/@markfmccarty/the-russiagate-hoax-the-dirty-dossier-d...
Just because they keep repeating the Big Lies doesn't make any of it true.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The ‘hilarious’ part is that we are
destroying OURSELVES, they’re not doing it. And the excuses our PTB use are basically ridiculously fake. And it IS funny. It’s very dark humor. Not everything is haha funny.
Look at Carlin. He made his living talking about the things people do to harm each other. And we still laugh our asses off at Carlin to this day.
For example:
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Are any US officials going to be indicted....
....for rigging elections all over the world in the name of 'Murican porky interests?
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
NEVER.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
That's what I'm waiting for.
13 nationals and three entities with no proof they impacted anything - pfft.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I, for one, am looking forward to Mueller
...laying all of the evidence before me, so that I can determine if he has sufficiently covered his boney white ass.
He left the FBI and the DOJ a complete shambles.
He should declare victory and get out of Dodge, pronto.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
No doubt.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
So when does David Brock get indicted?
Didn’t his troops of bots do precisely the same “information warfare” activities on social media?
And he was using foreign trolls
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
And still not one investigation into the NY polling place
that kicked people off the voting rolls or changed their party affiliations. Why isn't DiFi, Schif and Warner all over that, hmm?
Or where is the investigation of Hillary buy the DNC and having total control over it? I'd say that is much more of a problem that some alleged Russian bots playing on Twitter and trying to entice people to vote for Hillary or for Trump.
Even in the wording of these indictments there are wishy washy words suck as attempted to, might have and other words that only hint at something the might have done, but no proof that they did anything.
Champagne corks are popping on ToP this morning after this news came out.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Exactly.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
You forgot the big mess in the Nevada
Primary where the Sanders supporters supposedly got all violent snd were ‘throwing chairs’. You know, where poor Babs Boxer was so ‘scared’.
EDIT: eas/was
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I just brought up the most glaringly obvious tampering
Then there's Bill playing at the voting places in Massachusetts which is so obviously illegal, but no one said much about that when he did it. His being there disrupted the voting because his security detail had to keep people away from him and with all their vehicles in the area people couldn't find places to park. You mentioned this the other day.
The Nevada caucus vote was stolen when the No votes were much more than the Yes ones but the lady decided to go with the Yes ones. Plus she started it 30 minutes earlier and when lots of the Bernie people were still signing in.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Crazy,isn’t it? There was so much cheating and the dipshits at
the DNC just expect us to shut up, contribute, and give them our votes.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
This strains credulity.
I firmly believe Russians hacked and continue to hack American computer systems and networks. That their intention was to throw the election to Trump instead of for financial gain is much, much harder to believe. Criminals go where the money is. Hacking DNC database to get rich donor info makes sense. Hacking state voter registration rolls to get SS #s and addresses for identity theft purposes makes sense. Thinking that spending a few hundred thousand bucks on an election in which the candidates spent billions made a difference reeks of insanity.
No one ‘reliable’ has ever examined the ‘hacked’ DNC server
to this day.
Everything, the hacking, the collusion, this whole RUSSIA! routine is to cover for Clinton Creature/DNC corruption.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
So next up is Israel then?
I'm trying to understand how what these evil Russians did is in any way different than what Israelis do every day. Well, except the Israelis are way more open and effective about it.
Because if we're going to get serious about foreigners interfering in our elections I'm fine with starting with these 13 Russians.... so long as we move on to the more pressing ones too.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard