The Reagans were gay friendly -according to Clinton

Submitted by stevej on Fri, 03/11/2016 - 3:16pm

It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan -- in particular Mrs. Reagan -- we started a national conversation. When before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that I really appreciate with her very effective, low key advocacy but it penetrated the public conscious and people began to say, 'Hey, we have to do something about this too.

-Hillary Clinton
Huffpo

Which, of course is a complete pile of BS. the Raegan's were homophobes who were completely indifferent to the suffering that the disease caused. They famously turned their backs on their close friend Rock Hudson. Ronald Reagan didn't even say the word 'AIDs' for five years and didn't give a speech on the subject for seven.

“They are both responsible for the death of thousands from HIV in the LGBT community due to their inaction in the 1980’s. So I understand the anger in the LGBT community toward Nancy. I feel that anger as well.”

-Kenneth Bunch. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence
Guardian

Two possibilities: Clinton genuinely believes that the Reagan's were a force for good regarding gay rights in which case she is so out of touch and misinformed that she should never even be considered for the presidency. Or she has done the math and worked out that praising the Reagans on this subject is likely to be the best thing for her own political capital. Based on past performance, my money is firmly on the latter.

Either way though this is yet another illustration of just how unfit Clinton is to be president.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 1:45pm
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here is my response:

I find it shocking that the front page of this site has totally ignored what has to be one of the most insensitive statements made by a politician ever. And then Clinton tried to cover it up by saying she meant Alzheimer’s, not AIDs, which made zero sense at all in the context of what she said. Every person here, straight or gay, has known at least one person who died from AIDs. For many of those people, it still a devastating memory of how many family, friends, and loved ones died because nothing was being done to help stem the epidemic and find treatments. It was a gay disease and Reagan ignored it because of that. So it was not that Clinton simply misspoke. She knew exactly what she was saying and she was doing that at the expense of many people who are still grieving.

My blood pressure skyrockets at the thought of that loathsome woman and her equally despicable spouse in the White House.

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Submitted by Cali Scribe on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 1:07pm

we've seen in this country, I've mentioned ACT UP several times -- they rose mainly because of Reagan's inaction on the AIDS crisis.

Clinton was quoted in one debate as saying, "The revolution never came. I waited for it."

Maybe if you're waiting instead of out there working for it, you don't want that revolution after all.

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Submitted by JtC on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 8:36am

here's the image, I did that by clicking the first little icon above the editor, the "Insert/edit image" icon. I then pasted the image URL in the "Image URL" box and then set the "Width x Height" box for 350 x 500. You can set the width and height to whatever you want. Also if you upload the image using our uploader it will automatically resize to the maximum that we allow.

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Submitted by Lady Libertine on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 8:40am
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oh duh!!

thanks, see how mad I am??

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Submitted by JayRaye on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 8:41am
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After you put the photo into your essay, go to the width and height and change those numbers to whatever you want. Takes a little math but divide by 2 would work for this photo, I think. Then go to bottom and click "save and continue" then go to top to click view.

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Submitted by eyo on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 6:58pm

I think Act Up! ACT UP was born in NYC so there's that for irony. Of course Arkansas is not New York, in 1980 Chelsea was born and Hillary was first lady governor. Anyway fuck this shit I feel the need to speak up for my brother who loved the Clintons because they beat Reagan Bush*. I think he'd be pissed at both of us right now.
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Maxxed out and became a delegate to help them win and all he got was cardboard cutouts, but at least they broke the record for "most inaugural balls" because favors.
R.I.P. Richie
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* Ha! Mixed up Reagan and Bush the First, same diff. Wink

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Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 8:23am
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The reagans were utterly evil on this issue. For Hillary to praise them?

Perhaps it is not just Bill who is losing it in his dotage. It might be both.

Creepy, bizarre, and absolutely unacceptable. Screw her, screw her campaign.

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Submitted by on the cusp on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:27am

If my relative was saying things and doing things so outrageous, such as the lies, the super secret personal email server, seriously undermining their personal goals and progress, I would be setting up drs.' appointments.
I am not a dr., but I can't help but observe abnormal behavior when it is right there in my face.

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Submitted by Cali Scribe on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 1:13pm

you have to have had it in the first place.

I just think we're seeing the unfiltered Hillary Clinton showing her true moderate colors -- the same Hillary Clinton who spoke of the "sacred bond" between man and woman in 2004 when opposing marriage equality.

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Submitted by Crimson Buddha on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 8:27am

The thing I can't figure out about Clinton is why she tells these stupid lies. It's one thing to lie about your policy positions to get votes. But what is the deal with the sniper fire, the being named after Edmund Hillary, or now the Reagan's being pro-gay? These are just stupid lies that she doesn't have to tell, yet does so anyway. Then she gets caught, lies further to defend the stupid lies. All the while, the lies upon lies just prove that she has no credibility.

What gives? It's just weird.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 9:24am
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It's a real psychological syndrome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_lying

Notice how closely the symptoms match what we've seen and heard!

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Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:38am
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Clearly she is cagey smart. Then she goes and pulls something like this, and I begin to wonder, is it cagey or smart? There has to be some complex within her brain that causes such lying.

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Submitted by eyo on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:49am

Pathological lying may also present as false memory syndrome, where the sufferer genuinely believes that fictitious (imagined) events have taken place. The sufferer may believe that he or she has accomplished superhuman feats or awe-inspiring acts of altruism and love — or has committed equally grandiose acts of diabolical evil, for which the sufferer must atone or already has atoned in her/his fantasies.

Huh! I'd say more but think I've piled on enough. Thanks for that bit of info there.

Peace

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Submitted by dakrle on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:54am

at politicking? Just taking into account the last 2 campaign's I don't think there is much evidence?

What campaign tactics other than raising money is she "smart" at? Between the Clintons she's the Jeb of the duo. Smile

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Submitted by stevej on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 11:09am
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She is and always has been a terrible politician. Bill on the other hand was a natural politician (policies and positions often sucked but that is another issue).

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Submitted by Miss SPED on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:44am

I would have voted for borderline personality disorder, certainly narcissism, before I read that. Now I have the Venn diagram vibe.

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Submitted by mimi on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 11:09am
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that most people in the US believe that a large mass of Africans living in the sub-saharan tropical rainforest regions are pathological liars?

I don't deny that people lie, very often, but I think it would be worth considering why they lie.

I liked a quote Joe used in his EB a couple of times (at least I believe it was this one):

“Man is not what he thinks he is, he is what he hides.”
― André Malraux

May be I need to find out what the difference is between lying and hiding. I have not yet found a good answer to that.

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Submitted by Cali Scribe on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 1:26pm

for lying. For many, it's to cover up misdeeds, either their own or someone close to them. Then the "little white lies" to make someone feel better, like "Of course those jeans don't make your ass look big!"

Those of us of a certain age may remember a cartoon called "Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales"; on the show there were shorter 90 second bits with other cartoon characters. One of them was an old gentleman who went by Commander McBragg, who was fond of telling outlandish stories that ended up putting him in the best light.

I think Clinton's lies are in this category -- she's just puffing her image up in the public. That's where the #WhichHillary tag comes from -- which Hillary will we see in the White House on a given day?

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Submitted by mimi on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 8:44pm
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pathological lying and non-pathological lying. BTW Sanders himself used the word "pathological lie", so I guess I am just picky with the word pathological.

1. Pathological liars = have no control over their acts of lying due to a mental / psychiatric disorder
2. Non-Pathological liars = have very well control of their acts of lying and do so with a motivation (consciously or sub-consciously)
Do you think that is a fair categorization?

I think politicians usually belong into the non-pathological category.

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Submitted by dakrle on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 10:41am

I lived in California when Reagan was President. I lived in a very conservative part of the state that is currently represented by Kevin McCarthy. Reagan helped shape my political leanings. Reagan's ability to co-opt the discriminatory elements in the GOP through the use of coded language was something I was unfortunate enough to have had been deluged with. Or maybe I was fortunate, after all I knew that it didn't resonate in my mind and heart when I heard others preach discrimination. I might not have thought about it that early in life had it not been for Reagan, but since he drew a line in the sand he forced me to choose a side. I choose the other side because I'm a natural born contrarian.

Being anti Reagan in my family wasn't easy, my step grandfather was a personal friend of Ron's they were both members of the Los Rancheros Visitadores. I posted a link below which wasn't published during Reagan's time in the club but little has changed from then and now among these folks.

"I was a little taken aback by many of the attitudes," Tomas said. "Here are men at the highest rungs of power in this country. Quite blatant forms of racism and anti-Semitism and misogyny are on display. ... The festive debauchery represents a cohesion of the power class. They seem to feel stronger by putting down others."

.....http://www.independent.com/news/2012/jul/11/los-rancheros-visitadores/

I don't know personally if Reagan was anti LGBTQ but I do know that Reagan was popular because he was willing to reflect and sell the discriminatory nature of the base and I do know for a fact that the base was/is discriminatory and anti-LGBQT because I was there having those conversations.

These people are uncles and friends parents and coaches and teachers. All of them preaching against LGBTQ and POC. Many of them parroting some of the worst vile that came from those times.....http://forward.com/news/7046/rewriting-the-script-on-reagan-why-the-pres...

Reagan understood that a great deal of his power resided in a broad base of born-again Christian Republican conservatives who embraced a deeply reactionary social agenda of which a virulent, demonizing homophobia was a central tenet. In the media, men such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell articulated these sentiments that portrayed gay people as diseased sinners and promoted the idea that AIDS was a punishment from God and that the gay rights movement had to be stopped.

Read more: http://forward.com/news/7046/rewriting-the-script-on-reagan-why-the-pres...

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Submitted by Miss SPED on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 12:11pm

Grab kleenex before you click on over.
The tributes for those we lost are as heartbreaking now as then, like that time was only yesterday.

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Submitted by Cali Scribe on Sat, 03/12/2016 - 1:34pm

(also on Rec List) is also a good one:

There are plenty of posts up about the history of Reagan and AIDS, posts questioning Clinton’s sincerity, yadda yadda. This ain’t about all that. The point of this post is not to ask, “Can this person be trusted to be president,” but, “Can this person be trusted to run for president?”

For those Clinton supporters who think this was a small thing, a bump in the road, convince me. Tell me how she’s going to win back the confidence of the people she lost today. Because she lost a lot of them, every one of whom we’re going to need in November.

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