Monday Open Thread; January 22 is Roe v Wade Day (unofficial)


January 22 is the 22nd day of the year, there are 343 days left
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Today's number is 22

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22 is the product of two primes, 2 and 11
Being a product of 11 generates some fun we'll look at later
22 sevenths has been used as a rough approximation of pi for millenia
22 is titanium, a seriously kick-ass metal, but brittle in a pure state
A cricket pitch is 22 yards long
Catch 22 is a novel by Joseph Heller
A "Catch 22" is a type of gotcha or puzzle such as occur in that novel
.22 and .22LR (long rifle) are common small caliber weapons designations

"Fun" with "math"
1/11 = .090909 repeated forever
1/22 = 1/2 of 1/11 = 0.5 x .0909 = .04545454545 ad infinitum
Thus, a/22 = a x .045454545 etc
In doing mental arithmetic, multiplying by eleven is often easiest done by multiplying by 10 and then adding the original number. For example, 14 x 11 = 10 x 14 + 14 = 140 + 14 = 154
Similarly, multiplying by 22 is often easily done by multiplying by 2 and then multiplying the product by 11. Thus 14 x 22 = 28 x 11 = 280 + 28 = 308
Multiplying by 22 can also be made easier by first multiplying by 11 and then doubling the result. Thus 14 x 22 = (140+14) x 2 = 154 x 2 = 308
22 squared = 484, which just happens to be 4 x 11 squared. Hint: (2 x 11)(2 x 11) = (2 x 2)(11 x 11)

Title 22 of the US Code is FOREIGN RELATIONS AND INTERCOURSE.
While I am nether a lawyer nor a politician, it seems to me that each subject merits its own title, but there it is.

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22 BCE
was the Year of the Consulship of Marcellus and Arruntius
Gaius Petronius, Roman governor of Egypt, destroyed the Nubian capital

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22 CE
was the Year of the Consulship of Agrippa and Galba
Roman law replaced Celtic law and customs in Gaul. The earth wept.
Valeria Messalina, the third wife of Emperor Claudius was born
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On this day in:

1879 – The Zulu defeated the British at the Battle of Isandlwana
1879 – The British defeated the Zulu at the Battle of Rorke's Drift
1890 – The United Mine Workers of America was founded
1941 – British and Commonwealth forces took Tobruk
1944 – Allied forces attacked Anzio and Nettuno
1946 – Central Intelligence Group (to become the CIA)was created
1968 – Apollo 5 took off with the first Lunar module
1970 – The Boeing 747's maiden commercial flight
1973 – Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton granted women limited control over their bodies for the first six months of pregnancy (only)
2006 – Evo Morales became the first indigenous President of Boliva

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Born this day in:

1552 – Walter Raleigh, imperialist ne'er-do-well who popularized tobacco
1561 – Francis Bacon, philisopher, scientist, empiricist, author and politician
1573 – John Donne, poet
1592 – Pierre Gassendi, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher
1645 – William Kidd, businessman
1729 – Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, philosopher
1788 – Lord Byron, poet
1849 – August Strindberg, novelist, poet, painter, and playwright
1858 – Beatrice Webb, sociologist, economist, socialist and reformer
1865 – Wilbur Scoville, chemist and pharmacist, inventor of the scoville unit and scoville scale
1887 – Helen Hoyt, poet and author
1891 – Antonio Gramsci, philosopher and politician, founding member of the CPI
1898 – Sergei Eisenstein, screenwriter and director
1904 – George Balanchine, dancer and choreographer
1906 – Robert E. Howard, author
1924 – J. J. Johnson, trombonist and composer
1931 – Sam Cooke, singer and songwriter
1949 – Steve Perry, singer, songwriter, and producer
1960 – Michael Hutchence, singer and songwriter
1962 – Jimmy Herring, guitarist
1965 – Steven Adler, drummer
1977 – Mario Domm, singer, songwriter, pianist, and producer

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Died this day in:

1925 – Fanny Bullock Workman, geographer, cartographer, and mountain climber
1973 – Lyndon B. Johnson, the last Johnson Democrat
2004 – Billy May, trumpet player and composer

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Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days and such:

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So, for music,
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Central Intelligence (HEH) Group

Walter Raleigh

William Kidd

Wilbur Scoville

Antonio Gramsci

J. J. Johnson

Sam Cooke

Steve Perry

Jimmy Herring

Steven Adler

Billy May


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Bonus Sam Cooke

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picture is "Celebrating the 41st Annversary of Roe v Wade by Jon Tester

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I'm going to be out camping when this posts, so chat nicely among yourselves.

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Enjoy your camping! Wish I was there.

22 is a master number in numerology, so let's all be masterful today.

The wind has been relentless for 24 hours, now. Blowing out a storm takes lots of energy. Hope it gets out of here today.

Back to reality. Hoping I only have to face this particular reality for a few more months.

Have a beautiful day, folks! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann
rained all night. Loud storm surf but little bird noise, I think the wind blew them inland - not literally, as sometimes happens, but they appeared to have fled.

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It's raining again up here again in Northern California (which is in the middle of the state just to psyche your mind), the couch trash is gone my neighbors burned it. Don't ask. The lot next door sold, had a bigass trailer there on Saturday. All day yesterday was the sound of blow-in insulation across the street, remodeling. Change all around.

I went searching for "Gimme an F" after reading that comment on Title 22. Funny! Found this one instead:
Country Joe and the Fish - Love (Woodstock 69)

Today's goal: Be happy.

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@eyo and the fish.

Speaking of fish, I see that you commented a few days ago about the nutrient content of food and how to maximize nutrients on a limited budget. We all know that is an issue for many of us and I think will increasingly get worse. In the interest of health and resilience, this is a problem that needs an immediate solution. Fish are a wonderfully, nutritious food. Unfortunately much of it is toxic if not endangered. But you of all people know that.
(have to take the dog out, will finish comment later)

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@randtntx thanks, after you get back do you think home grown aquaponic systems might be viable? I worked in aquaculture for about five years, doing everything from fingerling to filet. That way was not sustainable, not at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics

I like "symbiotic" things, even the parasites can be beautiful. mistletoe
There is a groovy demo just north of me, medical dispensary attached. It is where I got my water filter system, thanks goodness for clean water. This is their hydroponic part, downstream from the above ground fish tank.
aquapond

https://realgoods.com/solar-living-center-virtual-tours

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@eyo about aquaponics but I followed your link and then some. It sounds really interesting. When we can engineer systems to work symbiotically (which is the way nature works) all the better.
I had to start here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics
and am working my way through this; http://smallgarden-ideas.com/aquaponics-systems

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@randtntx that smallgarden link has a nice diagram of a complete system. Electricity is always required though, and there is a lot of measurement involved to maintain a balance. Part of my aquaculture duties included donning a lab coat and taking water samples to test twice per shift. pH, dissolved solids, oxygen saturation levels, other stuff I don't remember.

Seems it might be viable with access to cheap water and electricity. Someone wrote a story called "the $5 tomato" or similar, which is how many of those commercial systems appear to me. Spend $500 to grow 100 tomatoes. Hope they're big. Wink

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@randtntx
in a semi losed loop system, something worth looking into. This may be what eyo is referring to as aquaponics, it occurs to me. Too busy to think straight.

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@eyo
to have stopped. Sorry about the noise and chaos up your way. Thanks for the Fish. Hope you make yoour happiness goal. Need coffee, but trying not to wake my wife. Have a nicd one. Wind is up down her, btw.

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FOREIGN RELATIONS AND INTERCOURSE - So that means the US is f*%king everyone else and the planet as well?!

I'm all down with the 'Axis of Evo' (South American left governments).

What can I say? Hey hey LBJ...

Man.this should be 'Sam Cooke Day'.

Have a great day all.
Aspie message me

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I want a Pony!

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@Arrow
exposition on the reality ot US foreign policy. It is nice of the USCode to lay it out so explicitly in the Title 22 title. Love "Axis of Evo", where can one join?

can't find embed codes on tablet: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QmyUMdBTrs

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I must demur from your interpretation of Roe v. Wade as that case divided the nine-month gestation period into three trimesters, with the mother's interest being deemed to prevail being strongest--and the state's interest in forbidding abortion being lowest--during the first trimester only. As the gestation period progresses into the second trimester, the state's interest, according to the Roe v. Wade court, becomes stronger.

Inasmuch as, to put it bluntly, a state's right to punish murder of its citizens is involved in abortion rights' cases, the opinions in both Roe v. Wade and the 1992 case of Casey v. Planned Parenthood referred to viability of the fetus outside the body of the mother. As that science advances, viability becomes possible earlier and earlier. Since Casey, the mother's right of choice is more closely tied to viability than to trimesters.

While on the bench, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, whether or not she was in the majority, always insisted upon to every anti-choice ruling for the health of the mother. While Hillary was running for President, she put on the table a Constitutional amendment to overrule Roe v. Wade, as long as it had the same exception insisted upon by former Justice O'Connor. Tell me again how the first female Democratic Presidential nominee is "progressive."

While prefect of Egypt, Gaius Petronius led an attack on what is now Sudan because its queen had attacked Egypt. During the attack, the troops under Petronius razed city of Napata, but its uncertain whether or not Napata was the capital. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Petronius; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush

Only I and some computer's software know that January 22 is the last day of my trial of free grocery delivery. Oxymoronically, I can pay to continue free delivery. However, I shall not because I have not been pleased.

Speaking of groceries and Ancient Egypt, some of my produce refuses to go bad visibly, no matter how long I keep it in my fridge as an experiment. Of course, normal produce loses its nutritional value quickly, but does zombie produce ever have any nutritional value at all? And how are they creating produce that doesn't brown or rot? Have they found a better embalming process than the Ancient Egyptian priests?

Oh, well, hope you are a happy camper, el.

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@HenryAWallace abortion. Some day the Zygote, Fetus, etc. could be safely removed from the biological mother and transplanted or gesticulated in a nursery of sorts. But then of course what to do with all the unwanted children? Because Gawd noes we can't afford them.

And to add for no other reason than I guess I feel spiteful this morning, I DETEST that Journey song "Don't stop believing"!

Other than that one great tunes this morning! Have a great day and week all!

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

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@HenryAWallace
surreal in their attempts to find somme thread of legal justification for the imposition of religious ideologies and the need to make a woman a mere slave to the procreative process. True potato seed, if planted, will generate a potato plant. ITINTURNWILLPRODUCEANEDIBLETUBER>It might have the potential to create such a tuber, but a tuber it is not. The plant is also at no time a tuber. The tuber itself, must be harvested before it is edible, so nothing is an edible tube, in becoming, potentially, or any such thing, until there is a hrvested potato tuber.

That there is a point at which a foetus, if born, could. in theory, survive does not make any foetus a live human before it is in fact born and surviving. It is unconscionable to force a woman to undergo a caesarian in order to attempt to therby reate a living human out of what was, until then, parastic protoplasm (though one such court has done so).

There is, in reality no human before birth, so murder is not at issue.

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@enhydra lutris @enhydra lutris
petrified white men, whose wicks wilt at the notion of any world without them at the center, rail against "identity politics," "social justice warriors," etc. In the early '70s, the preferred pejorative was "therapy." Which moved Carol Hanisch to write this essay, upon which Shulamith Firestone slapped the title "The Personal Is Political." Cro-Magnons have been trying to separate the two since Aristotle, when he pronounced the political the public sphere of men, where is the bloviating, while the personal, that's whatever is the who-cares frivolousness women busy themselves with in the home. Truth is, the personal imbues the political, bl.jpgand vice versa: they are the same: and that is why Roe v. Wade is the decision that it is.

Harry Blackmun, the opinion's author, when not looking in a law book, lived in a matriarchy of four strong women: his wife and three daughters. If he had not written an opinion supporting a right to abortion, they would have gone maenad, and served him for dinner. Blackmun also worked many years as counsel for the Mayo Clinic, where he came to accept as gospel the belief of doctors that they are godlings who should exercise sole control over the practice of medicine: no one can tell them what to do, and that includes the government. Thus, in Roe, the primary right asserted is not that of a woman to control her body, but that of a physician to practice medicine; as Justice Ginsburg has observed: "It's about a doctor's freedom to practice his profession as he thinks best. It wasn't woman-centered. It was physician-centered." The trimester framework is in there because it reflected the godlings' best understanding, at that moment, of fetal development.

A different justice would have written a different opinion. Because s/he would have been a different person. Justice Douglas, for instance, as is clear from his Roe concurrence, would have anchored his holding deep in the right to privacy. A right that first explicitly appeared in the law of the Americans in Douglas' own majority opinion in Griswold v. Connecticut. Douglas was deeply interested in a right to privacy because in his own personal life he was in constant violation of many social norms, and often some laws, and he didn't want the government or anyone else bothering him about it. In order ef4.pngto ensure his own "right to be let alone," as Louis Brandeis put it, Douglas tried to stuff in the law assurances that others would be let alone, too.

Douglas in his Roe concurrence was not interested in the god/life stuff: "When life is present is a question we do not try to resolve. While basically a question for medical experts, it is, of course, caught up in matters of religion and morality." Conversely, people like Justice Scalia, and his many pepes, because they personally believe(d) there exists a god—one way more bitchin' than any doctor-godlings—who wrote a Book, containing The Rules, and is a god who is even now ceaselessly observing and judging what people do with their vaginas, or type into their tubes, etc., then the government, which the Book says is this god's representative on earth, is perfectly entitled, and in fact obligated, to Rule over everyone's vaginas, tubes, etc., and put the Americans in the Jail, if they violate any of these god Rules.

Blackmun's entire view of the law shifted as a result of the backlash against Roe, when the godknockers screamed he was Beelzebub, and demanded his head be put on a pike. Deserted by the Burgers, he entered the embrace of the Brennans. The personal manifesting as political got personal and affected the political, etc.; and so it goes; on into infinity.

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commentary. I would argue, howver, that Douglas and vast hordes of others get one thing wrong. It is not, no how, and never was about when life begins. It is about the god iota, some mythical infinitesimal of quasi-holy spirit that god, in his magikal majesty, breaths into the foetus, making it human and sakred and all that. They've never been able to figure out or agree upon when this happens so they have retreated from more complicated dogma (see, for example, "the quickening"). Accordingly, they took the easy way out and ruled that it happens at conception. They care not a fig for life unless it contains this god bit and acts in accord with god's assorted authoritarian decrees.

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believed the god/life stuff irrelevant to the holding, which is why he wrote in his concurrence: "When life is present is a question we do not try to resolve. While basically a question for medical experts, it is, of course, caught up in matters of religion and morality." Douglas was opposed to either church or state messing with the genitals: his own penis was quite active, so much so that there was an attempt to impeach it in 1970. That was when Gerald Ford, then a member of the House, uttered the line: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

The question of when a fetus becomes "alive" crept into the discussion by way of Blackmun's majority opinion. While it explicitly rejected a fetal "right to life," it did allow the state to stick its oar in during the third trimester if it could demonstrate some interest in the protection of "potential life." This reflected the doctor wisdom of the time as to when a fetus could, potentially, survive outside the womb.

The Supreme Court has never held that life begins at conception. Roe itself says: "There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live birth." Lower courts that attempt to assert that life begins at conception, and govern the reproductive system accordingly, get spanked and sent to the woodshed. That has naturally not stopped The Hairball, whose Department of Health and Human Services pronounced this past October: "HHS accomplishes its mission through programs and initiatives that cover a wide spectrum of activities, serving and protecting Americans at every stage of life, beginning at conception."

The Hairball himself is of course an ironclad refutation of the argument that life begins at conception, as he is now over 70 years of age, and yet has still not achieved the state of "life," as defined meaning "the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death."

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@hecate
politicians) and assorted churches who blather about when life begins, which Douglas pointedly decided not to address. The same is true for the "life begins at conception" silliness.

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@enhydra lutris
in some of the Hairball regions, women are now subjected to "violating ultrasounds, where they shove a camera inside you and make you look at the ultrasound and see the life in your uterus," Sarah Silverman has proposed legislating a similar prodecure for men, so that they will be made to confront the life in their balls:

We all know sperm can smell. Scientists have known this for almost two decades. Sperm cells have a sense of smell. They have olfactory senses. That’s true. And you know what that means. That means that sperm is life. And you know what that means. We’ve gotta legislate that shit. We have to protect the babies. I just wanna save the unborn babies: that’s all I’m worried about. And so this is what we’re gonna do. The next time you feel like you’re gonna jerk off, into a gym sock, or down your shower drain, or whatever your jerk-off style, you’re gonna come on down to the clinic. We’re gonna take a long, thin, like a knitting-needle-shaped GoPro camera, and it’s gonna go up your urethra, your penis hole. Up . . . up . . . up. Really picture it. And then down, down, down, into your testicular sac. We’re gonna bring the ultrasound around, and you’re gonna be able to actually see the life in your balls. I truly believe that most men will not want to jerk off after that. And that’s a beautiful thing.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

I must demur from your interpretation of Roe v. Wade as that case divided the nine-month gestation period into three trimesters, with the mother's interest being deemed to prevail being strongest--and the state's interest in forbidding abortion being lowest--during the first trimester only. As the gestation period progresses into the second trimester, the state's interest, according to the Roe v. Wade court, becomes stronger.

Inasmuch as, to put it bluntly, a state's right to punish murder of its citizens is involved in abortion rights' cases, the opinions in both Roe v. Wade and the 1992 case of Casey v. Planned Parenthood referred to viability of the fetus outside the body of the mother. As that science advances, viability becomes possible earlier and earlier. Since Casey, the mother's right of choice is more closely tied to viability than to trimesters.

While on the bench, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, whether or not she was in the majority, always insisted upon to every anti-choice ruling for the health of the mother. While Hillary was running for President, she put on the table a Constitutional amendment to overrule Roe v. Wade, as long as it had the same exception insisted upon by former Justice O'Connor. Tell me again how the first female Democratic Presidential nominee is "progressive."

While prefect of Egypt, Gaius Petronius led an attack on what is now Sudan because its queen had attacked Egypt. During the attack, the troops under Petronius razed city of Napata, but its uncertain whether or not Napata was the capital. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Petronius; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush

Only I and some computer's software know that January 22 is the last day of my trial of free grocery delivery. Oxymoronically, I can pay to continue free delivery. However, I shall not because I have not been pleased.

Speaking of groceries and Ancient Egypt, some of my produce refuses to go bad visibly, no matter how long I keep it in my fridge as an experiment. Of course, normal produce loses its nutritional value quickly, but does zombie produce ever have any nutritional value at all? And how are they creating produce that doesn't brown or rot? Have they found a better embalming process than the Ancient Egyptian priests?

Oh, well, hope you are a happy camper, el.

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You mentioned Beatrice Webb el. A quick trip to wikipedia shows she was a pretty interesting person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Webb

Some of her ideas about economics and welfare were actually implemented in the UK, which is something that I find really remarkable given the era.

The mechanisms to fix the problems in our own era are not working. They are gummed-up and jammed and I think it's safe to say that there is a pretty widespread recognition that the inhabitants of this planet are in deep trouble. I'm just wondering if some of these progressive thinkers and leaders from the past, like Webb, can help point the way now.

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information and, in part included her with socialist and reformer identity tags in the hopse that others hitherto unaware of her full ouvre would check up on her and get a fuller picture of whho she was and her ideas and impact.

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RA had a snow storm and eyo is getting rain. We are due a rain today. I noticed it is on the western side of the state now headed our way. We need it. This area is classified as a humid subtrpoical climate, but we are already behind our normal rainfall. Last year was quite wet ...
IMERG estimated total rainfall from Dec. 30, 2016, through early Jan. 3, 2017. This analysis of rainfall over the Southeast indicates that more than 12 inches (305 mm) of rain fell over the southeastern United States during this stormy period.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-nasa-heavy-rainfall-southeastern-severe_1....

And that episode broke a bad drought...
According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, short-term abnormally dry conditions extend from eastern Texas through Kentucky and southwestern Virginia with long-term exceptional drought in portions of northern Alabama to northern Georgia and southeastern Tennessee.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/when-will-rain-return-to-the...

It looks like drought is in our future here...

Existing drought is forecast to persist through the end of April in the Southeast Climate Region, with development anticipated in parts of Georgia and the Carolinas where marginally dry initial conditions are coincident with enhanced chances for subnormal FMA 2018 precipitation. .... existing drought still seems more likely to persist than improve, but no development is forecast, even where marginally dry initial conditions are coincident with enhanced chances of subnormal FMA 2018 precipitation.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/sdo_discussion.php

You can check out your long-term forecast at the site above. The warming is a two sided coin - the air can hold more moisture as it warms...so droughts will increase. But when it rains there is also more moisture...so expect more floods. It isn't nice to fuck with mother nature...she will have the last word on our species when she's ready!

Here's hoping for good weather for us all!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout lol that was fast! It did rain all night I swear. I love the sound of rain on the roof while I still have one.

"If it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all." Wink

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Soon they'll be saying dirty air saves pollution, because cap and trade. Capitalist math is confusing.

Why millions of dead trees in the Sierra may have helped save water during the drought

Federal forestry officials estimate that during that time, more than 100 million trees in the central and southern Sierra died before the drought ended.

So many trees died from wildfire and bark beetles in the study area that once the rains returned, potentially as much as 217,000 acre-feet more water ended up in the Kings River basin than it would have otherwise. The reason? After they’d died, the trees were no longer sucking water up through their roots, leaving more in the watershed, said Roger Bales, the study’s lead author at the Sierra Nevada Research Institute.

Kings River California

The Kings River is a major river of south-central California. About 125 miles (201 km) long, it drains an area of the high western Sierra Nevada and the Central Valley. The headwaters originate at elevations of above 13,000 feet (4,000 m) along the Sierra crest, in and around Kings Canyon National Park. Further west in the foothills, the river is impounded in Pine Flat Lake, before flowing into the Central Valley south of Fresno, where most of its water is used for irrigation. The Kings River was named by the commander of a Spanish military expedition into the Central Valley in 1805.

More water for The Resnicks, how wonderful. NOT Edited to add: more swearing. I did not know the names of their holding companies before I wrote "how wonderful", really. Orwell right in my face and I didn't know it.

--- Jake Update
Oroville Dam spillway built on crumbling rock, warned contractor that built it
No comment 'cause I'm politically triggered right now. BLAM. Pat Brown beget Ronald Reagan because corruption, that's what I think. The link has the history, may it all be revealed and some day healed. thanks

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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@Azazello
for what I, at the time was a good reason. Maybe I was just to lazy to explain it.

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Like Eyo, that really cracked me up.

If you take "and They're Red Hot", and slow it way down, it becomes the guitar riff for "Alice's Restaurant". Arlo, being a Guthrie, was into recycling early.

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our first DSA
@gjohnsit
MeetUp thingy tomorrow
in the 'cuse (Syracuse).
5:30-7:30pm for those in the area.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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Senate Democrats “caved. They blinked. That’s what they do," Democratic Representative Luis Gutierrez of Illinois said in an interview. "It’s unfortunate."

Democrats also got nothing from the House. Speaker Paul Ryan has promised Republican lawmakers that they won’t be bound by any arrangement reached in the Senate on immigration, House Freedom Caucus Chair Mark Meadows and Representative Doug Collins of Georgia said on Sunday.

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