The Fire Next Time

That's the title of a righteous rant by Gaius Publius posted over at Smirking Chimp. After detailing how the fascist FISA surveillance bill would not have passed without 65 Blue Dog votes Gaius Publius points this out:

If Democrats Want the Support of Millennials, They Should Cut Ties with the Fossil Fuel Industry

. . .

If Democratic candidates choose to let Big Oil ride the Blue Wave this year, the prospects for action at the scale we need are grim. partnering with these oil and gas executives would not only be disastrous for our society’s ability to stop climate change, it would also be deadly for millennial voter turnout.

Then he quotes a pledge from Caitlin Johnstone:

I Promise To Sabotage The 2020 Campaign Of Any Establishment Democrat

If the Democratic party tries to run a pro-establishment presidential candidate in 2020, I, Caitlin Johnstone, promise unequivocally and unconditionally that I will do every single thing in my power to sabotage their candidacy and make them lose the election. ... I don’t care if it’s a transgender Muslim eskimo with a Senate seat and their own talk show — I will do my very best to ruin them, and I will do my very best to recruit others like me to help....

[I]f the Democratic party doesn’t run a very solid anti-war, pro-environment, pro-economic justice candidate in the next presidential election, there is at least one very loud voice out here who will relentlessly dedicate all available resources to making sure that it hurts.

No need to add the details to this question. Everybody here already knows:

Is the Democratic Leaders' "Resistance" Entirely Cynical?

And now The Fire Next Time:

The Fire Next Time

We may be headed for a national crackup of epic proportions thanks to current Democratic leadership. The next electoral opportunity for the failed electoral revolt of 2016 to succeed is the congressional election of 2018, yet Democratic leaders seem determined to turn one more wave opportunity into another squeaker, just as they did in 2016.

One solution that The Duopoly has blocked:

In fact, many of these voters are solidly in the impossible-to-achieve we-want-a-third-party camp. Both mainstream parties, of course, have solidly closed that door.

The ultimatum America faces:

Unless current progressives in Congress stage an actual coup, replacing those leaders with their own, we're almost certain to see a series of 2016 reruns. Until enough of the nation loses patience, of course, and stages a real revolt — a situation no one will enjoy.

In 2016, Democratic leaders' hubris guaranteed a squeaker. So too it will in 2018, and barring the coup imagined above, in 2020 as well. For independent voters who are not tribally loyal to Team Blue, it's just that hard to like them.

Will I be proved wrong? Will the Democrats field so many unpalatable mainstreamers that no one will want them? We'll know in just a few months, and 2020 is just around the corner.

Check it out:

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/gaius-publius/77257/the-fire-next-time

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Thanks for that link, long time no smirk. Brings back-burner issues up front:

Bernie Sanders seeks to derail growing working class opposition to capitalism

For the past year, the Democrats have sought to work with the Trump administration on its reactionary domestic agenda, including tax cuts for corporations and an escalation of the assault on immigrants. Sanders indicated his own support for the latter when he declared last week: “I don’t think there’s anybody who disagrees that we need strong border security. If the president wants to work with us to make sure we have strong border security, let’s do that.”

One day after Sanders’ column, the New York Times reported that top Democrats are preparing to work with Republicans in removing all remaining restraints on banks imposed after the 2008 crash.

Perhaps most significantly, Sanders says nothing about the growing danger of imperialist world war, one that would be waged with nuclear weapons. He makes no reference to North Korea, Iran, Syria and other global hotspots, or to the record of the Democratic Party under Obama in bombing Libya, escalating the war in Afghanistan and making drone warfare a staple of American foreign policy. “Military” is another word that makes no appearance in his Guardian column, because Sanders is a supporter of American imperialism.

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@eyo I am stunned he is concerned about border security, but I seem to take longer to give up on earnest-sounding politicians than I should.

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@on the cusp I don't believe he really is, if that's any comfort.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Bernie's campaign? Some of the opinions are baloney. Bernie is pro-tRump, and anti-DACA, and anti-immigrant? Really? Bernie is a life-long American Socialist and a devoted grandfather. He is very afraid that this country is going to explode. It will be like 1789 France, only much, much worse! He has a lot of company like me. The young folks sure hear him. Rec'd!!

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Some yahoos make me want to change species!

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@orlbucfan @orlbucfan Bernie has been saying a lot of things since June 2016 that do not go along with things he's said for the rest of his career.

Simplest explanation is that he does what he has to to keep his Senate seat.

It was easier when the PTB thought that he was a marginalized crank who represented no threat. Then, they didn't care what he said.

Now, it's different. Now they need to use him to control the center-left side of the debate.

However, there is a person beneath the puppetry, and, for what it's worth, I don't think the person enjoys the role he's currently playing or the things he's currently saying.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

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@eyo
By any rational global standard Bernie is smack dab in the middle of the political spectrum. There is nothing "radical left" about any of his positions. For the most part Bernie is a little bit left of Obama and what were called Rockefeller Republicans back in the day:

https://newsone.com/2078884/cornel-west-obama-blackface/

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@Meteor Man
There are simply the clothes Republicans and Democrats don while they are trying to attract votes. Once in office "comity" and the service of our capitalist economy is is revealed as their true work. Going along to get along. Even Bernie.

The US does not have a real Left. Our political spectrum is pretty fucking monochromatic when you get right down to it. Purple. Absent a popular uprising and/or a viable new party or two in the mix I see nothing but more of the same, right to the bitter end.

Caitlin Johnstone's idea of sabotaging establishment Dems sounds like a satisfying ploy to express my utter frustration with our current state of affairs, though I doubt much will come of it.

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didn't vote for
@ovals49
Hillary in '16 aren't voting
for the corporate whore in 2020 neither.
Add a bunch of Millenials to that and Johnstone has got something cooking.
A corporate DNC Dem will not win in 2020.

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@Wink

...A corporate DNC Dem will not win in 2020.

Doesn't that depend more upon what TPTB decide and whether the voters get a vote?

What's needed, I suspect, is a nation-wide strategic vote against all corporatists and the opportunity for internet organizing for that sort of thing is likely to go down the 'toobz', so to speak, as landslide voting for Progs and only Progs might be too difficult to plausibly cheat The People out of...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@Meteor Man

Bernie Sanders Is A Global Centrist By any rational global standard Bernie is smack dab in the middle of the political spectrum. There is nothing "radical left" about any of his positions. For the most part Bernie is a little bit left of Obama and what were called Rockefeller Republicans back in the day:

Think LBJ. Or maybe even a skosh to the right of LBJ. Correct-to-conservative domestically, full-blown imperialist in foreign policy.

Sad

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides that it's simply that he can't take on the bankers, the oil barons, and the MIC all at once. That's the price of remaining part of the system--though, of course, if you remain part of the system, you will eventually find you can't oppose any of those groups.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

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@Meteor Man His support of the New Deal and the Great Society is what makes people think he is left. Of course, in this country, supporting those things is considered equivalent to being a Leninist.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

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If not Bernie, who?
@eyo
Exactly.
As Johnstone herself says, a corporate Dem can't win
any more than Hillary did.

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@Wink I can't believe you're asking me that, or maybe it was meant for someone else. Nobody would be my choice, I am ready to build the new politics, for the people, not one more stinking millionaire in that long line of D-Value for-profit career seekers. NOPE The DNC is was and always will be a private corporation that pays its employees large amounts of money to clamp down the working class. good luck

Nobody 2018
flush the vote
picket the our revolution

I highly recommend sitting through the whole two hours of this vid:
"Does Media Lie?" Bernie Sanders Grills Journalists along with Jim Jeffords, Brian Burns (1985)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icHiBruPkBY

it was excruciating for me, sitting through the entire retelling of "The Emperor Has No Clothes", but I came away with a deeper understanding about Bernie and where he learned his manipulation skills. He does have the best words, the Ds have helped him stay in power in Vermont all these years. In return he is a millionaire book touring revolutionary, waiting for the millennial demographic to catch up and start eating a new shit sandwich. yuck

yin yang

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@eyo

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Some yahoos make me want to change species!

@orlbucfan but no one stops giving that the old college try: Winter weather deaths climb to 15 as South cleans up snow
Argh! I'm sorry this is happening, incremental change via electoral politics is totally inadequate, as it was before Sanders ran in 2016 to "start a conversation". Blah blah blah keep going, don't mind me trying to stretch the discussion to include every single person, even the olds of which I am rapidly becoming one of. sh sh sh

Most of the deaths were in traffic accidents, but others died quietly, after authorities said they likely succumbed to exposure to temperatures as low as 10 degrees (minus 12 Celsius).

The body of one woman was found in the snow near City Hall in Memphis, Tennessee. In Texas, two women in their 80s were found dead after apparently wandering from their homes. One homeless man's body was found in the snow behind a Dumpster in Houston, another on a sidewalk in Dallas. Another woman was found dead at a bus stop in Dallas, her wheelchair nearby. According to authorities, none showed signs of foul play.

IMAGINE an army of heaters and homes being delivered a la Occupy Sandy. US military has one of the most efficient equipment moving mobile feeding machines to every exist, too bad it's mostly outsourced to private contracts for killing, rather than good government jobs for peace. Et tu bernie? I'd support re-occupying infrastructure if there was a politician in support, but there isn't. "Get money out of politics, donate now." is not the way to go.

Sanders is stuck trying to provide stale solutions for modern problems. Instead of $27 for yet another election, why not distribute the money right now, before more people freeze to death. Wtf, a billion dollars every four years going toward wages or affordable housing, that is what's needed in most places. Not more and better politicians. NOPE That has been tried, the system is corrupt.

Social Anarchism, once I read the definition, doesn't sound so bad. It sounds like the company I'd like to keep back in the old days:

Emma Goldman (1869–1940): She was one of anarchism’s greatest advocates, an outspoken feminist and a rousing speaker to boot. It’s not her birthday, nor the anniversary of her death, but we here at Social Anarchism have noticed a flurry of discussion about good ol’ Red Emma — from the publication of her correspondance and related documents to a PBS documentary.
...

Even Lenin sounds better than what is now.
RT Alert!
Revolution: 100 years young. Lenin’s socialist vision in capitalist world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4zWGCp01nk

enjoy

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@eyo

It's too damn bad SA's essentially gone dark, with no new material or magazine issues since 2015.

Sad

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-- snoopydawg

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@eyo

Nobody 2018
flush the vote
picket the our revolution

The trouble with this view, as you must surely know, is that when one doesn't vote, one is essentially voting anyway -- for whoever wins. This, by the way, is why third-party voting has an ethical foundation in this country. Better to cast any vote than to just vote for whoever wins.

Unless some method is found to make a voting boycott stick by leaving any sufficiently boycotted seat vacant, this problem will persist. As things are now, however, if a single vote is cast in any election and it is the only vote cast, that vote will determine who fills the office being elected. A boycott can only work if preserving the state of sede vacante (vacant seat) is an option of the voters, which it isn't.

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

@thanatokephaloides thanks, I used to think that way too, that not voting meant voting. I can't forget the broken California primary of '16, so now the election system will be run by DHS, and who is in charge of the DHS? I wish I had one magic answer to these problems, suggestions are all I can afford anymore.

Please say how you think a fair election can ever occur again, what are the steps people see to electoral "victory"? How long will it take, how many deaths, how much money? Will it change the current system, or be consumed by it? I'd rather try some life saving maneuvers now after all the failures, maybe not. Tell me what you IMAGINE the future of voting looks like, what does winning look like?

We vote on secret ballots, the counting is secret too, although sometimes partially observable by the citizenry. The voting and the counting software is a mess, I think. We don't own the machines, who knows how they operate? I know it will get worse, and so I think building decentralized alternative systems are the key to future happiness. This current one already seems dead to me, and I'm tired of it. I still love everybody, even Bernie, it's the rotten system that must collapse. It might if enough people and money start doing other productive things, for a change.

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@eyo

The concept of not voting meaning voting for the winner is basic math -- and deliberately perpetuated by the dupoply as a major means of perpetuating its existence.

Our question is: how do we dismantle that, so our elections become the fair contests as advertised -- for the first time ever! Or, as you put it:

Please say how you think a fair election can ever occur again,

I alluded to it -- and it is in fundamental agreement with your basic concept, too.

Devise elections so that "We The People" can actually refuse to fill any office. A few election victories for "None Of The Above", and we'd start having more real candidates and fewer 1%er ass kissers running, n'est-ce pas?

Of course, allowing "None Of The Above", as it is clearly meant here, to be a real election choice, would screw up the dupoply's arrangements (and those of the duopoly's paymasters) something fierce, so we're going to have to fight like hell to make it so......

Diablo

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides mockery in front of the entire planet. Use the illusions against the ruling class.

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@thanatokephaloides That is NOT the case. I'm surprised you think it is.

Particularly in this world so rife with fraud.

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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

That is NOT the case. I'm surprised you think it is.

What is not the case? That not voting is, in effect, voting for whoever wins?

That is the case. It is a direct consequence of American-style "winner-take-all" elections. As I pointed out in the comment you replied to, under typical American election rules, even if only one vote is cast in the entire election, that vote would determine who would fill the office. Likewise, if many fraudulent votes are cast and not detected in a timely manner, they will affect who receives the office.

Because there is no option whereunder the electorate can refuse to fill the office at all, these situations all apply. And in most American elections, the electorate only gets one shot at filling the office, too. In some jurisdictions, exceptions exist; but under a typical American first-past-the-post winner-take-all election, that is how it works.

And the monopoly duopoly wants it just that way.

A bloodless popular rebellion would be easy to sustain if We The People could actually refuse to fill offices at all. Imagine our current Constitutional system of government when no President qualified for election! Our government would be bending over backwards to make The People happy. But since the filling of the Presidency is guaranteed no matter how few people vote, all the fraudsters have to do is figure out how to corrupt the one "elected".

And it's quite apparent that the fraudsters have that down pat.

Diablo

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides No, it isn't the case. Saying "not voting is voting for whomever wins" takes the act of voting, or not voting, and turns it from an expression of individual will into some kind of obscene spoil for whoever the winner happens to be, simply because the non-voter hasn't been able to stop the winner. But neither have all those who voted for losers been able to stop the winner. Did they, too, vote for whomever wins?

This idea is a monopolistic one, designed to eliminate all possibilities from view except voting for one of the big two candidates left standing at the end, and making the vote pointless except in relation to an ultimate win. It's the same place that "I like Bernie, but he can't win (so there's no point in voting for him) came from, and the same place that "if you vote third-party, you're really voting for Trump" came from. Like most monopolistic ideas, it reinforces entrenched power, in that everything is judged in terms of how it accrues to a victory of the already-powerful, or fails to prevent them from accruing yet more power. It changes the very meaning of what a vote is: no longer a measure of individual will and sacred civic duty, an individual vote only has significance now in its ability to produce a win; if it can't produce a win, then it is a spoil of whoever was able to produce a win. This is a deformation of the original notion of the franchise, in which the citizen is supposed to consider seriously what he or she believes is right, inform himself or herself, listen to all debates, and then make the decision based on what he or she believes is right--not on who is powerful and likely to win.

Now the idea is that, if you choose not to vote, because there is nothing on offer worth voting for, OR if you vote for someone other than a major party candidate, you are not a citizen expressing your wishes--or your disgust--but instead are a spoil of those far more powerful than you.

I reject that notion. I'm surprised you support it.

It's a way of intellectually creating a world in which there are literally no options other than voting for one of those two, regardless of what you do. It's a way of making refusal impossible. The idea is worth rejecting on that ground alone. Monopolistic ideas should be, as the late, great Ursula Le Guin once said, stood in the corner and spanked. This one, in particular, needs to be sent to bed without its supper.

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--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Morire de cara sol.
--Jose Marti

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There are "65 Blue Dog votes". I thought they were wiped out decades ago in the great Democratic party Moderate purges? Harken back to the days of yore when the South was lost...

From the Wiki

The Blue Dog Coalition is an official caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives comprised of 18 fiscally-responsible Democrats, who are leading the way to find commonsense solutions. They represent the center of the political spectrum, appealing to the mainstream values of the American public.

The Luminaries

Where be these other 47 Blue Dogs?

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" What difference, at this point, does it make?"

Let us count the ways...

H> and Warmongering Corprocrats FTW!

Stop The War!

@EdMass I went back to the smirk for the math detail. But before that, eww! what you linked is gross. Thanks. Wink

In fact 65 Democrats did-- basically the Republican wing of the Democratic Party, pretty much all the Blue Dogs and all the New Dems and their fellow travelers. 119 Democrats voted NO and 65 voted with the GOP. All the garbage Dems were over on the other side of the aisle as fast as they could get there[.]

Add "new dems and their fellow travelers" too. GIGO, garbage in, garbage out. Can I say rotate again? lol

revolve

edited: can't even quote the quote right. Beee

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From the linked story:

45 Republicans looked at the stinky FISA bill on Thursday and could not pull themselves to vote YES. That means that had Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn held their caucus together, it could have been defeated. Instead, it passed 256-164. How the hell did that happen? Well, start with Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn; they all voted for it. In fact 65 Democrats did-- basically the Republican wing of the Democratic Party, pretty much all the Blue Dogs and all the New Dems and their fellow travelers. 119 Democrats voted NO and 65 voted with the GOP. All the garbage Dems were over on the other side of the aisle as fast as they could get there[.]

(emphasis added)

Make that 65 Blue Dogs, New Dems and fellow travelers or simply all of the garbage dems or the Republican Wing of the Democratic Party.

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@Meteor Man @Meteor Man
This article at Gaius Publius' home page has a couple of detailed lists of treacherous Dems:

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2018/01/most-new-dems-voted-for-repu...

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Haim Saban and the other oligarchs won't approve of this. They bought and paid for the Dem. party, so it belongs to them, and is theirs to do with as they see fit, no?

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@dervish

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could possibly run in the 2020 election that would meet her requirements? And in what world does she think the democratic party is going to become antiwar and anti-Wall Street? The inference to her pledge is that she would support the democratic party if "they", assuming it's the DNC, ran a candidate to her liking.
Considering her overall railing against the establishment, her continued caveats to the establishment democratic party are a little peculiar.

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@Big Al So, I despise the Democratic party, and the Republican party, and elections are some sort of pro forma and meaningless theater, and then comes Chelsea Manning, running as a Democrat.
When I watched Daniel Ellsberg's tribute to her, I just cried my heart out.
I may hate this whole election charade, but Manning is everything I think a good citizen and good human should be.
Big Al, I want her on the world's stage.
I intend to send her campaign whatever I can spare.

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@Big Al
Widespread rejection of the usual takes hold and is communicated, then other options might open up. Journey, 1000 miles, first step.

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@jim p however all it does is play into their hands keeping the focus on the duopoly as a means of change. Ain't gonna happen. Clinton, Obama, Sanders, the democratic party is not going to be the vessel for a savior president. And my position is the continued capitulation to the major political parties only prolongs the ruling class power. Johnston I've found is somewhat hypocritical in her back and forth against the oligarchy and plutocracy by continuing to believe the democratic party can be reformed by electing better politicians.

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them out, saying the
@Big Al
only way for a Dem win is thru
her. "Them" of course being the DNC wing
of the party.
And she's right. "They" can't win without us, as proved in 2016, so she's not exactly saying anything that ain't true. And, if the DNC still thinks their way - the Turd Way - will win, well... they obviously believe in fairy tales and Russian tampering.

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Thee most progressive platform evah! Look at all the nice shiny words they put in their platform. This was just before they kicked out anyone who voted for Bernie that is.

I'm not surprised by the number of democrats who voted for the FISA bill. They voted for every other time it's come up including the first time when they voted to make spying on us legal. Pelosi has voted with the republicans whenever they needed her to and right after the Shill lost the election she said that she doesn't think that they needed to change anything. Including impeachment. She's just stringing her fans along with the hope that she will impeach Trump because of his relationship with Putin.

BTW, Twittler is debating whether to tell people that they were exposed to Russian propaganda during the election. Just like Facebook did... except most of the ads that were posted were done so after the election was over. How does that work? Inquiring minds and all.

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The eulogy of our species will one day read “here lies humanity; departed at the hand of greed and compliance”

@snoopydawg
(and you don't really think the Commies really gave up control, do you?) have perfected their psychic warfare abilities to where time is irrelevant. That's why we should work a first strike on them.

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Perez wants Bernie to turn over his donor's email list, but Weaver is telling him that he has a long way to go to change their directions. Especially after they kicked out the Berniers from the DNC.

DNC overhaul struggles as Sanders-Clinton rivalries persist

But going into a midterm election that should be the Democrats’ to lose, the DNC is still struggling to bring its factions together and assert itself. Throw into the mix powerful super PACs, the much-better-funded party committees focused on Congress and governors, and more independent voters than ever, and many wonder whether the DNC has a place at all anymore.

I don't know if Perez understands how angry people are for what the DNC and Hillary's campaign did during the last primary. But if he can't wrap his mind around the betrayal people feel then he's the wrong person for the job. Who would have been a better pick? Ellison. Why wasn't he picked? Because the DNC and the democrats would rather lose to Trump then let a progressive win. Their recent actions show that they have no intention of changing their policies.

The comments on the article are pretty much as you'd expect. The Shillbots are still saying that Bernie isn't a democrat, that Jane stole money from the college and every other accusation they had during the primaries.

There are times I wish I could eat popcorn. Smile

ETA: and the Russians interfered with the election of course. Can't leave that out of any discussion..

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The eulogy of our species will one day read “here lies humanity; departed at the hand of greed and compliance”

@snoopydawg

Popcorn drenched in schadenfreude might be the only consoling factor involved... not that anyone aware could hope to see the current CorpoDems win so much as a smile from the victimized public...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

if the Democrats promised, oh, say, that they'll eat breakfast almost everyday, what percentage of the voters would believe them?

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@jim p

Thing is, if the Democrats promised, oh, say, that they'll eat breakfast almost everyday, what percentage of the voters would believe them?

The question here is just what who the Democrats would eat for breakfast.....

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
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@thanatokephaloides

I believe that the CorpoDems are on the same diet as are the CorpPublicans - that of the non-billionaire-American worms on which they feed their paymasters in order to get some of their leavings.

Psychopaths don't see 'normals' as people or any other living creatures as 'real', just as animated machines with bizarre but manipulatable emotions, such mobile objects being either currently/potentially useful or not, and in the latter case, disposable.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.