I Have No Words
Submitted by konondrum on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 7:41pm
This is my first post on C99, and it may well be my last.
I don't even have that much to say, i thought i was completely disillusioned by the end of the 2016 campaign. There was nothing left to shock or disappoint me.
And then I read this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/stephen-colber...
"Stephen Colbert's Favorite Things about Mike Pence."
I mean what else can I say?
There is nothing but bitter, bitter sadness here.
Comments
President Dense
What's not to like? Can you explain your bitterness?
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
President Pence
I'm not the OP, and I'm not exactly bitter about Colbert, because I figured out a while back that he sold out.
But this makes me uneasy:
Right there Colbert is saying he hopes that Trump is impeached (or perhaps forced to resign, a la Nixon?), and that he's looking forward to Pence becoming POTUS.
He's even giving us a preview of what his comedic approach to Pence will be during his presidency: "President Dense" and making fun of Pence's religious fanaticism. Maybe he's trying out his jokes now to refine his Pence material so he'll be ready when Pence takes office.
Right now we have a buffoon as president. With Pence, we would have a narrow-minded religious nut who truly believes that the US should be run according to the Christian bible, and that he's been divinely appointed to make that happen.
Interesting article by Jeremy Scahill of the Intercept on the dangers of Pence as president:
Mike Pence Will Be the Most Powerful Christian Supremacist in History
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
This is exactly what I am saying
@Centaurea @Centaurea
Personally, I thought Colbert lampooned Pence in the conservative character he's played on TV for so long.
And "I hope soon he’ll be President Dense,” struck me as an obvious joke, very far from a wish...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
That specific comparison never occured to me
@konondrum
I'm thinking shock value and the evident absurdity of anyone hoping for a dense President, one even in youth eager to betray his college buddies for having had beer at a party because fun is against his religion.
One who's mindlessly judgmental, authoritarian in his obsessive dream of dragging everyone else back into a dark age where getting stoned means a painful and barbaric death under religious law for spitting on Sunday or whatever. God forbid anyone having sex for love or fun, rather than producing babies-within-marriage until the baby-factory women each die in childbirth and the world of life perishes of compulsory maximized starving-child production!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
TV character
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Strictly speaking, that's probably an overstatement
"The most powerful Christian supremacist in history" was probably Pope Innocent III. On his watch and with his encouragement three brilliant civilizations were destroyed: the Albigensians in southern France, the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, and the Byzantine Empire. (The latter two were later resurrected, but as pale shadows of what they had once been.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
"Christian"
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Kinda makes me wonder
If Jon Stewart got out of it because he had no intention of going along with the narrative?
Couldn't get into the link and read the article. Apologies for the non sequitur.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Stephen Colbert should be tearing Mike Pence a new asshole
Every single night on tv. On Comedy Central he would have. But apparently with those big CBS paychecks come big strings attached.
Colbert used to be a hero of mine. I don't know why this is the straw the broke the camel's back, but I am devastated.
I Don't See The Problem
That strikes me as a pretty harsh and humorous criticism. What am I missing here?
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
What you're missing
is that Mike Pence is an American Torquemada. There is nothing funny about that, though Mel Brooks gave it a shot and sort of hit. Brooks showed the inquisition as a 1930s Busby Berkeley routine. Some european director showed Osama bin Laden as a brain eating zombie. Colbert showed Pence as an awkward teenager. The BBC (?) tried showing Hitler as a goofy neighbor - the show as gone down in history as an epic failure that offended millions. See?
On to Biden since 1973
shouldn't go there
And therefore comedians shouldn't "go there".
The Chump was manna from heaven to the likes of Colbert. Pence, OTOH, is useless for thios kind of humor, as he has none.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I think the question
Is really what is missing from our supposed "subversive" comedy. Mark from Queens provided an excellent link down thread discussing both Stewart and Colbert in the context of political humor and the role it plays, or more pointedly, what role it was meant to play:
The author of the article makes a convincing case for what political comedy is, and what it isn't in the context of broadcast media. Here's the link: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-jokes-on-you
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Didn't you see what happened to Rachel and Keith
after Obama became president? Everything that they said about Bush should have been said about Obama too, but they gave him a complete pass for the war crimes he committed just like Bush did.
And Rachel has lost what was left of her reputation for pushing the Russian propaganda. People are being told that Trump had direct relations with Putin while the only information that has been released by Mueller is that Flynn lied about talking to someone in Putin's government. The truth is that Flynn did speak with a Russian after Trump was elected, but he did it on Kushner's orders and it was about the upcoming vote for sanctions on Israel. Rachel has not reported that.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
If anyone who studies politics doesn't despair,
they lack understanding. Speaking for myself, I have had to take a politics holiday every so often because this shit is infuriating. Please fortify yourself with your favorite potion and then contribute more. If any website can put up with me, they can handle anybody.
He is literally setting the stage
For President Pence, trying to make him look folksy. He says President Pence right there. It could not be more explicit. He is trying to normalize him to the American public. Absolutely disgusting.
President Dense
There were not any auto correct typos in my block quote konundrum. The quote was "President Dense".
I fail to see the problem here, so I'll just back out now.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
We had eight years of that adorable idiot, Dubya. Have
you noticed how cute and folksy he has become? Nothing like that awful Trump! We’ve completely forgotten the awkward neck rub Dubya gave Angela Merkel.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Absolutely.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Both Stewart and Colbert sold out, IMO
They played the same game that Rachel and Keith did. I have been thinking about this since I started watching Jimmy Dore and Camp. I realized that I used to never miss the other twos shows and wondered if Dore and Camp could sell out too in the future.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I think you're taking Stephen too literally.
And Monsieur Colbert is not particularly adept at back-handed snark, which is the main means of attack open to him on today's CBS.
The memories of the demise of The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour run deep indeed:
source
And this isn't the first time Stephen's gotten into this class of trouble with snark. I still have family members who believe that his right-wing roleplay on The Colbert Report was on the level!
So I say: Cut Stephen some Slack, but do please stick around here, good old c99, yourself, writing and commenting. As you are now discovering, even when we disagree with one another's ideas, we maintain the utmost respect and esteem for each other's persons. Yes, that's rare among political blogs. But it's how we roll here.
So welcome! And do please allow us to hear more from you!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I'm sorry
But I'm really not sure what you are not understanding. The entire purpose of this article is to make Mike Pence look more acceptable to the American people. I'm absolutely shocked that you cannot see the subtext here.
And to get us used to thinking
More psyops, in other words. Manufacturing consent.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
My replies do not seem to want to nest
My above replies were all to Meteor Man and not to you Thanatokepaloidies, but it also applies. Feel free to disagree, but this is blatant corporate propaganda to me. They are normalizing him to the American people because that's what the PTB want. They are preparing us for his installment right now.
Are you on a phone? Re: comments not nesting
I too have this issue sometimes, and have contacted JtC about it. Now there are 2 - odd.
JtC, whatcha got?
No this is on PC. Firefox.
To comment...
on the essay itself use the comment form at the bottom. To reply to a comment use the blue "Reply" button under the comment you want to reply to.
Deja...
the nesting problems that you occasionally have on your phone is probably due to the small screen interface and you are inadvertently removing the parent link from the text editor body. Removing the parent link will cause the comment to act as a comment to the essay rather than a reply and it will default to the bottom of the comment thread.
JtC
My issue happened like this:
1.) Tapping reply, directly under member I'm replying to (I know how to do that.)
2.) Typing a subject (I usually hit backspace due to the cursor landing on space 2, instead of space 1 before I type anything - even on my desktop)
3.) Typing my reply comment
4.) Tapping preview
5.) Seeing the comment above the person I intended's ID in the preview
6.) Thinking I fucked up, canceling the reply, and repeating steps 1-5
7.) Ending up with a reply to my intended recipient AND the person who left a basic essay reply (directly to the essay author, - exactly like the one I was replying to, only a completely different user, and on his own, separate, direct reply to the essay author, DIRECTLY ABOVE the member my reply button tap was intended for.
I deleted nothing. I cancelled, and tried again.
Don't delete...
the first empty space in the subject line, it's there for a reason.
There are so many different devices (phones, pads, laptops, computers) that are all configured with different hardware combinations that it's impossible for me to troubleshoot each and every problem with each one. I can't tell you what your problem is without being able to duplicate it myself. It seems like phones have the most problems, possibly due to the software they use. And since it doesn't happen all the time, that tells me it's either operator error or a software glitch.
It has a purpose ??
I should have known! You're one of our cleverest Conqueroos.
When I applied...
the parent link program the default for the subject line was (@username). That quickly became tedious and didn't work well in the Recent Comments listings in the sidebar. The subject line for every comment was @username which was OK for catching the targeted user's attention but it didn't say much about the actual subject of the comment and really made the Recent Comments list unusable.
The only way I was able to defeat the default subject line was to add the empty space at the beginning. It doesn't really hurt anything to delete/backspace the empty space but it does cause a warning to kick out in the logs.
Sorry then, JtC lol
I've been deleting that space almost forever - since I realized it was there.
I'll fight the urge to delete the 1st space.
Sorry.
No, you can delete it...
It doesn't hurt anything, it just leaves an annoying warning (actually just a notice) in the logs.
Well, here's the thing, JtC
Everytime a post is edited, say one that picked up lots of typos in the process of writing it, it adds another space. Eventually it will triggers an "title too long" error on this end. Then I will erase them, but I usually leave one space if I can.
Sometimes people's @names appear correctly when copied to the Subject line. Sometimes, they appear as number strings. Why is that?
As long as folks...
use the subject line the parent link resolves to a username when the comment is published.
Some folks don't use the subject line and just type in the comment body, that results in a numbered parent link in the subject line because it doesn't resolve to a username. That also causes the few words in the subject line to repeat in the comment body. It's a little annoying but it is what it is. It could be rectified if everyone used the subject line.
both Colbert & Stewart are not what they appear to be
They're neoliberal Democrats, like all the late night comics now. These guys don't have a shred of speaking real truth to power the way Bill Hicks or George Carlin did (although Colbert deserves credit for eviscerating Bush to his face). Jimmy Dore and Lee Camp are the only ones doing it now.
I've linked to this article a few times here and it is always apropos for these types of discussions. It's a must-read for this thread.
"The Joke Is On You," from the Baffler.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Thanks for the link Mark
Edited:
To think I used to believe Al Franken was a straight shooter too! Ah those lovely days of ignorant bliss.
Thanks konondrum! Good to see you back.
I think you were the one who commented on the essay I wrote at TOP during the primary that went over 1000 recs, that it was some kind of achievement. You told me that it was not uncommon way back when, but in the last few years it became kind of a rarity. Thanks for that.
I seem to also remember, but maybe I'm wrong, that you live in NYC (or are from here). We've been discussing having more regional C99 Meetups and I would like to organize one for here. Would be nice if you could make it.
I'm completely with you on the Neoliberal comics showing their true colors. I gave up on both Stewart and Colbert years ago, the latter being more difficult to do. They've been almost completely useless during the Obama years, and after their treatment of Occupy (as the brilliant Baffler piece points out) I jettisoned them for good. Helps also to get rid of cable and not watch tv. But glad you brought this to our attention. Just solidifies my position, and makes me want to redouble my efforts as one of many things I need to be more vocal about, to convince friends who still tune in to them thinking their getting the "progressive" point of view that they're getting divide and conquer propaganda.
And as you mentioned also, John Oliver's treatment of Jill Stein soured me greatly to him. And I had probably become an ever greater fan of his, because he was doing some amazing investigative reporting and using his platform to activate viewers to literally get involved with petitioning offending elected officials and legislation. That was great. But turns out when it came down to it, he's just another corporate sellout not willing to challenge the duopoly electoral system. Couldn't straighten his back and say that if there ever was a time to see it the 2016 Election was the biggest fraudulent sham of all-time. But he chose to ignore it, push the LOTE bs and take gratuitous shots at Jill Stein.
Franken in the mid-2000's was part of what was then an amazing crew at Air America. But how many of them sold out by showing their true colors defending Hillary? He, Maddow, Thom Hartmann and Sam Seder (it seems) all have. Hartmann seems to have gone back to his populist roots. Jeanine Garafolo was also part of the AA crew; but I don't think she'd ever sellout. (As an aside, when I met her through a comedian friend a couple of years ago, she had the most amazing essential oils on and a badass hippie/hipster jacket that momentarily re-ignited the little crush I had on her way back when).
We sometimes might think we're a backwoods minority here on the true so-called "progressive blogs," but I think the reality is the opposite is true. I think we just need to be more vocal in challenging all this putrid MSM-manufactured propaganda. With nearly 50% of the population not bothering voting, the winds are at out back for significant change to happen among the disenfranchised and pissed off.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I'm amazed Colbert got
away with that virtually unscathed. That was a total smackdown, total undressing, right there in front of God and everyone - on national tv! Amazing.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Mark from Queens - Colbert and Stewart
had a big thing rally at the Washington DC Mall way back in the times with stage and videos etc. As I can't access my own files, I have only this link to provide for context:
Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear
That was in 2010 and me ignoramus was there and was - as I remember - somewhat disappointed. I wasn't able to figure out what it was back then - just saying - my guts told me that "this is not what I would consider" a help to restore my own sanity or calming my own fears. It appeared to me as as way to not really speak up and not seriously speak truth to power.
I think the wiki page is worth a re-read today. But I am way too far away. Comedy is like a drink, it helps you to drown your gut's worries for a couple of hours, before your realize that wasn't the cure. ...
Thank you for your comment. I will read your link in a little bit.
https://www.euronews.com/live
To be fair
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Keen look at what "corporate" comedy
Has become, and who it serves.
I remember being especially peeved at Jon when he aired his piece on OWS, thinking to myself "not helpful, Jon" and disappointed because he had the power to highlight what was happening in his own backyard very effectively. Hadn't occurred to me then that his mission to stay "relevant" in the lucrative market of media dispensed opium fell more along the lines of what the author summarizes in his closing:
Thanks for the link to a well written and astute look at the role our modern day court jesters are actually playing. The entire piece is a must read.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
John Oliver's dispicable piece on Jill Stein at HBO
Yeah, he may spend 3 minutes talking about net neutrality or whatever, but it's clear his job is not to educate but to distract and manipulate.
There have been many times
In the last year where I have either cringed at recalling my years of loyalty as a partisan patsy, or wistfully remembering how much easier it was living in ignorance. This brave new "woke" world offers very little relief in the way of comfort out there. Living in reality among the insane and the cravenly greedy is a lonely and merciless march through betrayal and frustration. It's also one of the main reasons I spend what little "leisure" time I have here among fellow refugees of last years election.
So, welcome. You are not alone in your "woke ness"
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Thanks for the kind reply
That's one of the advantages
Of staying away from social media. I'm not pelted with the noise of the day. Used the term "woke" in a more sardonic attempt to define the new state of awareness we collectively find ourselves in. Others here have compared our awareness to taking the "red pill" from the movie, "The Matrix", but since I've never seen the movie, I didn't use that analogy.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Oliver shit all over Bernie too.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Hi JtC
I'm pretty sure I replied to the comments all 3 times. After the first time it happened I made sure I was pressing the right button. For whatever reason, these comments appear to be nesting correctly.
Hope that clarifies.
This is why I am so sad right now
I thought he was a man of true character.
Edited:
@Wink
When you reply to a comment...
don't remove the parent link. (it'll look like @#number, @#number etc,). If you remove that then your comment wont nest in the right place and will appear as a comment to the essay and will default to the bottom of the comment thread.
ok
nesting comments
Actually, in the editor, it'll look like "@" followed by symbols and numbers. This changes to @Dopeman, @Lookout etc., when the comment is saved.
In either case, if you want the comment to nest correctly, don't delete this material!
p.s. Thank you for all you do, JtC!!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It's also OK...
to remove the extra parent link that shows when you edit your comment, as long as you leave one parent link it will nest as a reply.
For the record
I just get numbers. Like for this post it has
I assume that's you, JtC.
Okay, that didn't work as it converted the symbols to your name.
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
You get numbers...
in the text editor but when you publish the comment it resolves to the username.
They don't always resolve in the Comment Lists.
Maybe it's my browser.
See my comment above...
it explains why that happens.
https://caucus99percent.com/comment/316095#comment-316095
Yeah
Even when you don't want them to!
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons - For thou art crunchy and good with ketchup
A lot of us were duped by them
I tried making this point in one of my comments. The same thing happened with Keith and Rachel after Obama was president. They had all kinds of nasty things to say about Bush, but got amnesia during Obama's tenure. So did many people on ToP. I was accused of being an Obama hater, a racist and other names because people only saw who he was on the outside. Very charming family man and a ruthless war criminal. They refused to see that he was no different than Bush or Cheney. I had many fights with them about Hillary's warmongering....
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Good to see you to Snoopy
It's good to see you too
I hope that you will stick around with us. Stephen's press dinner speech was a thing of beauty and I too can't believe that he didn't suffer from it. His and Stewart's shows during the Bush years gave a lot of us some relief from what they were doing. I see why you are disappointed with him.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I am sometimes a bit amazed about the intensity of
your feelings about Obama. I understand all the arguments given, but don't believe in the judgement that he was a 'ruthless warmonger', when he started out in 2007/8. To me he seemed to be a light-weigh and clueless naive about anything that related to other countries' political interests and peoples outside the US. In that sense if you want to hate or judge anybody for them being clueless, I wonder who you wouldn't judge that way.
My son and me had canvassed in Obama's first presidential campaign. I think my son also voted for him (that being his first time voting at all - as he became a US citizen in late 2003). I remember that both of us became disillusioned about him when he didn't make the efforts to stop the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and didn't close Guantanamo Bay. We both were not able to understand the discussions about the question, if Obama could or couldn't have done that. I believe most Germans still believe that Obama had no chance to implement his campaign propaganda later when he became President. Therefore the relative lenient way they think about him.
I remember also (unfortunately I remember things that are not relevant to most of you) that - ironically - Angela Merkel, who is accused of a lot of stuff - seemed to have been the only one whose instincts told her that Obama is a bit too "easy on aggrandizing himself". She therefore didn't allow him to speak in Berlin's Brandenburg Gate.
Conflict over Berlin Visit Becomes US Campaign Issue
and
Is Obama Speech Site Contaminated by Nazi Past?.
I remember the coverage of the speech. I also remember being in agreement with Merkel's point of views.
German Politicians Are in an Obama Tizzy.
I think Merkel had the right instincts. Til today that is not seen by most Americans.
Oh, and btw many of you wonder why Germans have been big Obama fans, as it is said in many opinion pieces in the US and in Germany. I think the answer is pretty obvious. With our German racial history, our generation (mine that is the post wwII born ones, now elderly) have a justified fear of racism, so I doubt that a lot of Germans would have had the guts to criticize Obama back then when he campaigned the first time. On which basis should a German have done it? So, I think, Angela Merkel's instincts were the most 'criticism' you could expect from a German politician.
https://www.euronews.com/live
interested in hearing from other countries
thx
It’s so interesting to hear your point of view
My story is kind of the antiparticle or through-the-looking-glass version of yours, since I made the opposite journey, from Hawaii to Germany.
By now, even though I’ve lived in Germany for four decades, I realize that — let’s face it — I’ll never really understand what it’s like to be an “Ossi” / a German. I’ll never think about, or have the same personal reaction to, politics and social developments that a German / an Ossi would have.
In particular, I’ll never really understand in my gut all the guilt and walking-on-eggshells and bending-over-backwards that afflicts a typical educated German as soon as the slightest whiff of uh-oh-maybe-it’s-prejudice surfaces.
Thank You, lotlizard, the feeling like a German/Ossi issue ...
I watched the Berlin Wall coming down - Gorby and the Gipper playing nice with each other etc - from Washington DC at a time I had no connections at my job to news, media, internet or the like. I felt tremendous hope and joy over what had happened watching the coverage on US MSM TV news on my sofa in good 'ol Washington DC. It was of course nowhere enough to understand what was going on for me.
When I heard about the Ossi / Wessi debacles later on, I was so disappointed and confused. Of course I couldn't understand really how it must have felt for the Ossis being 'the other Germans'. I think only in the last weeks or so it became more comprehensible to me.
I saw a little feature on German TV (forgot which one, ARD or ZDF), in which a youngish girl reporter met with a group of elderly former East Germans near - I think it was Dresden or Leipzig - in a garage, where she managed to get the men open up to explain their 'not liking too much the many refugees' and it was - as they say - 'not racism or xenophobia'. Yet it was clear from what they said, that they felt it was unfair that asylum seekers got a lot of more goodies in social services and freedoms for free than they themselves ever got. Things they themselves had missed during the GDR regime under Honecker far too long.
For the first time I felt I could have some empathy with their thinking, even if my brain told me that they sounded 'right-wingish' to my 'left-wingish' ears.
You know I just rediscover my homeland, ie "fatherland". Oh my, what a word.
My mothers influence on me was much more subtle, but more persistent. She talked very little, but her silence often was very telling and her being 'not an activist', but her doing mostly the right thing was what was 'formative'. She never would have told anyone to believe this or that, go to church or not, basically being unconnected intellectually and emotionally the official churches and their religions. She had her reasons and I think they came into being on experiences she made during wwII. That's why I wasn't raised to be a "believer" and have feeble relation to religious beliefs. But I realize sometimes that I miss that as well. My ping-pong journeys from Germany to East Coast to Hawaii to Germany back and forth during the last four decades were not all voluntarily made. So, for sure, confusion is my middle name.
As for walking on egg-shells when some of us Germans see a racial or ethnic prejudice on the horizon - even if it may be a fata morgana - I think not all of them have that reaction.
When I grew up I happened to be 'fascinated' with the life-stories of Holocaust survivors through books I picked in a library. My siblings - one read way more than me, the other read almost nothing (but he became enthusiastic for JFK for a while) - had not these reactions and are not aware of mine or theirs. This kind of fascination (which is an awful word for describing my feelings from my teenage years), is probably similar to what today's youngster have with the intertubes's many places, where they believe to have found the fountain of wisdom and truth.
I think it happens to be more an individual reaction of each person, than it's a bug or a feature of the "German Soul" so to speak. Na ja, may be one of my typical German excuses? Who knows ... ?
https://www.euronews.com/live
Nailed it
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
@EdMass I'll believe a lot
He was new to DC, not politics--and the politics he came up through was Chicago politics.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I have a problem with genocide, Mimi
and drone assassinations that target civilians, slavery and not prosecuting war criminal who tortured innocent people and financial criminals whose greed has caused so much pain and misery. I didn't think I had to explain this.
Obama was far from being naive when he was running for the presidency. He knew damn well what his job was going to be.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
well - don't get upset - what you have and had explained
many times is not what I criticized or wanted to get at. I only asked myself, why you don't seem to talk with the same intensity about Bush, Cheney, Bill Clinton and others. They have done the same as Obama did.
And who do you think has not a problem with genocide? Or with not prosecuting violations of international criminal and war laws, which many US Presidents have ?
What got me most upset about Obama was the fact that he was a constitutional lawyer and - having been that - I would have expected he would take international criminal and war laws way more serious than he did.
As I explained elsewhere, I don't think you will find many Germans my age, who have NOT a problem with genocide. Obviously we Germans had a 'masters degree' in genocide, right? (Sorry for saying it bluntly) Wasn't the word genocide created or used based on what Germans did to the Jews during the first half of the 20th century? And contrary to what some Americans think, we did learn in school what we had done, and it was not swept under the carpet. At least not in my school and in my time (late fifties to late sixties) and in my region (Northern Germany and Berlin).
One paragraph of the Wikipedia Page on the German RAF group summarizes it pretty well:
Just saying we had our" problems with genocide and racism", snoopydawg, more than you ever want to have. It's our historical context having grown up in the fifties and sixties in Germany. Most people are very aware of it.
Peace, snoopydawg. Peace and justice matter. Most people know that.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Pick a Republican with enough
Pence is far more dangerous than Trump. Not just because he might bring about Armageddon on purpose to get raptured but he'll be far more effective at moving the Republican agenda. He won't be disrupting their messaging with daily bombastic fuckery like Trump, he'll faithfully recite the talking points he's given. He and "mother" will smile for nice pics with the children at the White House Easter egg hunts and all the rest...
Pence is Grover's dream come true and our worst nightmare.
Precisely.
If we seem unemotional about the situation
It's not because we are oblivious or in denial about Pence, poised to step into the Oval Office. It is because we have been walking into this with our eyes wide open from the very beginning — even before the election was held. We spoke words of reality to each other to get ahead of the situation, and that was really hard. People got angry or put off. Some thought we were the enemy, and nothing could be further from the truth. You can't mount a rescue if you refuse to deal with reality — and that includes facing the truth about the so-called leaders of this party and the nation.
This may not be the happiest blog in cyberspace, but it's solid and intellectually honest. We are not slaves to ideologies and try to remain openminded about sources if the facts can be verified. Stick around and let us know what you think. Different ideas and observations from your own life are really welcomed.
this is so true for me.
i wander into conversations with shell-shocked left-libs, many of whom i have known for quite a while, and they can't comprehend my equanimity, while they are living in terror. all i can tell them is, "i was where you are 10 years ago."
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
You've always been a cool customer.
I'll bet you were born blasé.
@UntimelyRippd Correct. As far as
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Or perhaps where I was *40* years ago when I expatriated … n/t
Yeah? Well it's where *I* was 50 years ago,
when I started kindergarten!! Cherry tree, my ass.
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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
“I cannot tell a lie —
… I put that envelope underneath all that garbage.” — Arlo Guthrie
Colbert has been pushing russiagate to the max too
There are a slew of folks who want to impeach T-rump. I'm not one of them.
Many of my "liberal" friends that read the NYT and WaPo think russiagate will bring down ole "tiny hands". They are wrong...including Colbert. Why worry about about what they say?
Now possibly, just possibly, some dirty money shenanigan involving T-rump's real estate empire could bite him in the ass, but the oligarchs all play that game and what's good for the goose might be good for the gander (and TPTB might get cooked too), so I doubt they will go there. Just look at all the shit with the Clinton Foundation that still hasn't seen the light of day.
If you're going to wig out about something, I suggest the Tax Scam is a better vehicle for your anger. T-rumps impeachment is a pipe dream of misled dumbocrats (IMO).
Good start with your first essay here. Jump in the water's fine....
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
True, that.
It's the American people at their most vulnerable, and frankly pathetic. We've lost a generation of news people, comedians, satirists, and journalists. They're all over there, holding on to wisps of smoke, and propping up each other's faith in the sanctity of "authority" — in the obvious absence of tangible, credible, peer-reviewed evidence.
Personal invective aimed at a country rube.
What Colbert did is what I would expect a stand-up comic would do. Some parts funny and other parts not. Using childhood angst was not all that funny. That segment goes along with a Colbert theme that the Trump administration is ignorant.
Colbert though, did play his part in pushing Trump for the nomination when he had on Bill Clinton (during primaries). Clinton bashed Bernie supporters as essentially complainers and losers, and had very high praise for Trump.
Previously when I have seen some of Colbert's clips, he crossed over into bashing Russia really as a nation and people. But he filmed parts of his show in Russia one time and refrained from setting up individual Russians for mockery. (I have seen segments from the Daily Show and John Oliver basically say the country Russia is a piece of shit.)
It would seem you've spent time somewhere else
Deep Breath. We're not like them.
You can say anything you want.
You can have your own opinions
We're pretty cool here.
Deep Breath.
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
I've been here since almost the very beginning
Remember --
The Republicans were able to sell America on two terms of Reagan and a term of Bush because the liberals could be so easily pushed aside. By that time they had become so irrelevant that America was ready to embrace two terms of Clinton, two terms of Bush Junior and two terms of Obama. Is there some reason we embrace liberals as a political force and enshrine Stephen Colbert as their voice?
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
So your saying the Democrats would have never got elected
After 1980, if they hadn't become Republicans?
Not necessarily.
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger