More End-Stage Capitalism with the Pharmaceutical Racket
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This is absolutely nuts...no pun intended. The opioid crisis is bad enough. Hell, our entire medical industry isn't based on health but rather plugging products for profit. And it's killing the men who are taking it.
I've seen ads for similar testosterone products on youtube, usually talking about how men aren't really men anymore blah blah blah, and showing these older men doing heavy lifting workouts and looking totally roided out in the process.
Workout videos themselves are nothing more than snake oil salesmen looking to sell a quick fix that doesn't actually work because the average person doesn't bulk up on thousands of calories and protein powders that totally ruin your liver among other things.
No wonder we're all tired and sick. To paraphrase Chris Hedges, in addition to working ourselves to death for very little pay, our doctors are destroying health at the behest of the pharma racket.
See ya around,
Aspie
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So then...
When I said on DKOS that I had concerns about flu vaccines... not that they caused whatever, but that the drug companies ran the drug tests and they were not reliable. Ergo, ANY drug taken from a pharmaceutical company has unspecified risk attached to it. Ergo, one must evaluate flu vaccines in a risk vs. reward type scenario where the risk is ?unknown?.
... when I said that, I was told that conspiracy theories were a bannable offense. When I pointed out that the editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine agreed with me (as did Jill Stein), that also got me no points.
So I'm assuming that the "liberals" over on DKOS are shocked and stunned at this bit of news. Or, failing that, my second bet is that they really don't care how many people big pharma has killed off with "Low T" treatments because it isn't tied to Putin & Trump.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
"science" based medicine
The ASS-U-ME (ption) over at Daily Kos is that we have science based medicine in the United States, and any questioning of Modern American Medicine is, therefore, anti-science and anti-fact. Few things can be further from the truth. While there are certainly honest, ethical scientific doctors out there (like Stephen Barrett M.D.), what we actually have in the USA is mostly a "profit with enough of a veneer of science to keep the lawyers away most of the time" based medicine.
The only evidence necessary to prove that beyond doubt is the cheek-by-jowl juxtaposition of commercials for prescription medications right next to commercials for lawyers suing those selfsame medications. In a science-based medicine culture, this would not occur. But in the USA, profit takes precedence over science.
And Cat forbid that someone resort to traditional herbs to treat disease! Mention that over on Kos and see what happens to you!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@thanatokephaloides What we have in the US
If it's good for the pharmaceutical companies, it's good for the patient. The poisons used in Chemotherapy would fall into this group.
If it's good for the patient and bad for the pharmaceutical companies, it needs to be banned for use. Marijuana is a good example.
I once posted "over there", that I thought it would be very unlikely we ever see a "cure" for cancer. Reason being, it would cost the pharmaceutical companies billions. Those companies no longer look for "cures", they look for the most expensive treatments that force you to pay an exorbitant rate for a drug that makes you feel slightly better and prolongs your life until the disease finally kills you. If tomorrow, they found a one time cure for cancer that cost $1, you will never hear about it and it will never, ever make it to market. Sick people are simply pharmaceutical company profit centers and curing them of disease is very bad for profits and the bottom line.
Needless to say, this was not taken well by those at TOP!
Someday, we may well find a cure for cancer, but it won't be the result of efforts by a "for profit" pharmaceutical company. It will be by some intelligent humanitarian working in his garage or by shear accident.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Oh yeah
question everything
@QMS As the Republicans
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
getting sucked into the wealth care system
question everything
Revolting!
Sounds like a plan.
Oh yeah. Any disagreement about vaccines makes people
totally nuts. Especially if you question if they are safe because of their testing. There is a reason that drug companies got congress to pass legislation so that people can't sue them if they are injured from them. If they are so safe, then what's the problem?
Then there's the increase in the numbers of vaccines that kids are now having. When I was one, I had polio and smallpox vaccines and when kids in our neighborhood got the measles or chickenpox, parents would take their kids to be exposed to them. The vaccine schedules keep going up every few years. The number is insane. And if parents say that they don't want their kids to have so many at once, doctors berate them and if parents refuse, they can be charged with child abuse.
The vaccine for the hpv virus has killed many girls and injured others, yet we never heard about this.
Girls who were healthy received the vaccine and the next day they were basically zombies or they have other severe side effects from it they have life long medical problems. Or they died in their sleep. Do some research on this , but be prepared...
Perry wanted to pass legislation making girls and boys get it. No questions asked and no exemptions.
Listen to the side effects of the newer drugs. A drug for psoriasis, "This drug can lead to dangerous side effects including death "
The FDA is another agency that has been captured by the drug companies. They pretty much write the results of what the FDA is supposed to write. Vioxx was killing people from heart attacks and the FDA wouldn't pull it. They finally did, but a year later it was back and had a warning about how it could kill you.
As this video shows, the drug companies just made up a new condition that people should take a drug for you.
This is not new. This has been happening since long before drug companies were even created.
Listerine was originally created for sterilization of medical instruments, but when something better came along, they wanted to still sell it so they made up halitosis and whola, a new industry was created.
And as this video shows, even when there is evidence that this drug is killing men and they know that it is doing it, no one goes to prison for it.
Thanks aspie for posting this.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Please see my comment to Snapple BC
physician involvement
Not every vaccine is as safe for mass administration as is poliomyelitis vaccine.
And many of those which have higher risk profiles need to be intimately supervised by the recipients' physicians. (Remember physicians?)
Another, as yet under-investigated potential problem with polyvaccination is the large recent uptick in reported autoimmune diseases, such as lupus, psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, etc. A person whose hips and knees have failed due to psoriatic arthritis is just as crippled as one who lost the use of his legs from polio. And I suspect that a good deal of the worst vaccine horror stories have autoimmune responses involved.
NOTE: An autoimmune response is one in which the organism's immune system attacks cells/tissues/organs rightly belonging to it, rather than the foreign intruders it should be attacking.
And all I'm advocating here is the right to ask these questions, which we don't have the right to do on Daily Kos but we do have here.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Nah, I doubt it
They wouldn't even be aware of this because, RUSSIANS, TRUMP, RUSSIA, MANAFORT, RUSSIA....
Anything of importance only gets a few recs and comments and slips off the wreck list for more important issues such as, see above.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
The general thesis here is correct: profit over people
Yeah, that's the neoliberal way It's also the Big Pharma operating model. But I must take issue with some of the comments in this thread as well as the essay itself.
This blanket condemnation of ALL Physicians is not only insulting too me, as a physician, but to the thousands of dedicated physicians in the US and elsewhere. The majority still try to do their best--but many don't. I have had extensive experience as a medical expert in medical malpractice cases (almost always as a plaintiff's expert because they are the one's usually harmed by misdeeds, both intentional or unintentional.
You will see above, my comments to others posting in this thread, the good, the bad and the ugly.
My apologies.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
honest physicians
I hope you understand that I've always regarded you as one of the honest and decent ones, along with the likes of Stephen Barrett M.D. In fact, I think Doc Barrett would love having a nice, hungry Alligator prowling around his Quackwatch site taking down a juicy quack now and again!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The "problem" with many
a "practicing physician" is they don't practice much after they've "been in the biz" awhile. Easier to simply write a "scritp" I suspect. Not all doctors. Just too many. And who can blame them? Big Pharm sends out their big sales force with yet another big bag of new goodies every week, where doctors are spending more time with sales people than patients. Who has time these days to spend "practicing" when those time restraints - my doctor sees me literally for 5-10 mins. every 6 mos. - nudge doctors to "just write the damn script!"
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The problem is not as simple as posed
By this comment one lumps together vaccines of proven utility and ones with dubious benefits at best. Flu vaccines are typically unreliable, being based on the expected virulent influenza strain which will be included in "this year's model". It is pure guess work. Flu vaccines usually lack efficacy and many have caused epidemics of unexpected serious complications. The standing out so strongly to me was the swine flu vaccine of 1976 which caused cases of Guillain-Barre, peripheral neuropathy, encephalopathy in large numbers.
Polio vaccine and smallpox vaccines are relatively predictable. NO vaccine produces absolute protection against the targeted disease and ALL vaccines, even the safest, are not free from complications. Take measles vaccine for instance. Invaluable but not risk-free. One of the major complications of measles vaccine is sub-acute sclerosing pan encephalitis (SSPE), a devastating and occasionally fatal illness--BUT the prevalence rate of this is only one-third of the rate of SSPE occurring in naturally-occurring measles.
vaccine complications
This is why vaccinations should be decided upon by individual patients' physicians, not lawyers and politicians! (With all due respect to on the cusp and her honest ilk.)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I took it for six months. Didn't even work.
Interestingly, I decided to take bioidentical progesterone (the precursor of testosterone) and it did work. Have been taking it for five years and have never had a side effect.
I don't necessarily agree with what the lawyers are saying that testosterone does not need to be elevated. And I was a plaitnitff's personal injury attorney for 35 years before I retired.
The reason I say that is that the testosterone levels of men have been in significant decline since testosterone was first discovered and first tested in men. There have been three major tests of men that I know of and after the initial test the levels of men fell off about 15 percent in a generation and fell off another fifteen percent in a second generation.
I feel much better when my testosterone is in the high normal range than I do when it is in the low normal or below normal range.
But that is not to say that these synthetic drugs are safe. This drug is not the same testosterone as the body makes because the natural testosterone the body makes can not be patented. And the bioidentical testosterone would cost a fifth of what this synthetic drug costs.
It is these synthetic hormones (the patentable ones) that really cause serious side effects.
I have a theory about testosterone levels
I'm not a scientist, so anyway.
Way back in the early to mid 90s, I watched a really cool program on some cable station about the declining alligator population in the everglades. Since I had dreams of being in Range Management, I was glued to the t.v..
They found that the male alligators had malformed genitalia. Testing revealed high levels of estrogen in the gators, and also in the water they were living in. They traced the source back to run off from a plant that applied the plastic lining inside cans used for canned food.
This finding, and other research since, has revealed that plastc, especially when heated, leaches synthetic estrogen.
I have a theory that lower testosterone is caused, in part by synthetic estrogen overload. The other reason is normal aging, just like falling estrogen levels in me, as I age.
Plastic water bottles, frozen processed meals, Tupperware, canned goods, and on and on. Heated up in the microwave, car, 18-wheeler, train, and you're welcome, have something you didn't bargain for. Eat or drink it every day? Wow!
My 2 cents.
As an alligator devotee, I find this abhorrent!
There's a reason why
testosterone levels drop as men age. Mother Nature doesn't want us walking around with hardons at 80 years old pulling Donald Trump moves. And thank Mother Nature for that! I much prefer a spaghetti dinner these days, with a salad side and Italian bread. I wondered why my parents slept in separate bedrooms when they got older (mid '60s). Now I know.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Whilst I would agree that nasty old men
question everything
Hi, David, nice to see you here!
There is one brand new
drug advertised on the teevee every week. Not that the brand new ones are any better than the drugs of 7, 8 years ago, but we Need them anyway! And don't worry your little head about those side effects.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
At least one new drug per week, usually more.
Your quote is only partially correct. There are lots of "me too" drugs which add nothing to the overall health of the population but siphon away funds from cheaper drugs. Physicians are largely to blame for this, trying "the drug of the week" school of treatment.
But you seriously misjudge the revolution in pharmaceutical products by not mentioning biologics. The drugs, which are specifically targeted against specific cellular receptors are working wonders in many diseases, from neurologic, rheumatatologic, oncologic disease, to name just a few ares of diseases.
I will entertain discussion of the merits and demerits of any drugs you might wish.
To the matter raised by another commenter that drugs are not made to cure disease but only to prolong them in order to improve profits displays a remarkable lack of information on the state of pharmaceutical efficaciousness and the broad range of illnesses treated.
I invite anyone entering into this planned non-utility argument to discuss with me diseases in which such a non-curative outcome is intended.
Can you say more about the biologics?
Perhaps there's a parallel with the good results from stem-cell treatment I've heard about firsthand -- as it's studied and done at the Centeno-Schultz clinic.
Biologics are drugs targeting usually immune system receptors
More about biologics in medicine
I would say pretty much
all of them. While there might be a few drugs that eventually lead to a cure, most just minimize the symptoms. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Most drug consumers know what they're buying. It's like that Jerry Lewis Telethon. Forty years of that and how much closer to a cure did they get? Fifty years of hacking away at cancer.
It could be argued, and has, that the "medical community" is more interested in selling drugs than curing anything, becuz there's no money in a cure, but Tons in the "treatment." The drugs I take won't cure anything I have, I'm a customer for life. Not that I'm complaining. Thanks to Medicare they're cheap enough. But, with the onslaught of new drugs on the teevee every week it's obvious our "health care system" isn't really interested in curing much of anything.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Some curative examples for you
Surgical procedures can CURE some movement disorders and localized cancers.
Many of these curative issues are taken for granted by most people. Surgical procedures are not cheap but, once again, we come down to "what's your life worth?"
what's human life worth?
As a society, we do NOT need to be making those decisions in that fashion. This is why medical care is a right, equally available to all, in every civilized, developed nation.
Now when will we in the USA join that worthwhile club? Cat only knows.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
But one would think
that at least some cancers would be cured by now, having been under a microscope for fifty years. Our scientists and college science students aren't dumb. The only conclusion is interference by Big Pharm to make sure nothing gets cured. Jerry Lewis spent forty years raising a Ton of money only to end up with zero results. I believe Science knows the cure for many of these illnesses is in stem cells. Three Dee organs now closer to becoming a reality. So, maybe it took 50 years to get to the point where "we" finally can make some progress toward real cures. But, wow, it has taken a damn long time.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
direct evidence
Along with the direct, non-circumstantial, evidence that this is in fact the case.
You'll find a distinct lack of such in this discussion. (Were there such, the victims would be talking to malpractice lawyers, not bloggers!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Side effects are usually fucking death, Wink
Of course they're spoken so quickly, a normal person can't hear the effects as they're spouted off like some stereotypical car salesman.
And, they add the cya of, "Do not take [this drug] if you are allergic to [whatever the fuck drug] OR any of its ingredients.
I usually scream at the t.v., even from the toilet, "Who the fuck knows the ingredients, but you? You scamming ass licks?"
Apologies, to the sensitive, for the language!
No argument from me. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Medical consumerism 101
Read the label or prescribing information, mandated to be available by the FDA for all new drugs.
Deja's comment
Old ones, too.
And if you've come to the years where you're on long-term prescription meds, having a copy of Physicians' Desk Reference around can't hurt.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I don't know what any of the ingredients are even when I see 'em
I am severely allergic to mold, and slightly allergic to other things like dust and pet dander. I also have a respiratory reaction when I drink anything with aspartame in it, despite it supposedly only being an enzyme or whatever, and the same reaction when I eat frozen hash browns - but not fresh ones. Other than that, I don't know what else I might be allergic to, and I don't even know the scientific names of the things I DO know I'm allergic to.
Those product inserts might as well be written in Russian. And which ingredient caused the reaction if one occurs?
Rule of thumb re medication reactions
new drugs on TV
If you're lucky, the lawyers suing those drugs for "those side effects" will get their ads out onto the TV first.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Predicting drug reactions
Ever seen "Sweet Misery"?
It's a low budget documentary about aspartame. Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld pushed aspartame through when Carter's FDA (or whatever it was called then) people had beem saying, "Wait! This isn't adding up."
After watching it, I wondered if its presence in so many drinks (which is something it wasn't supposed to be allowed to be put in), had anything to do with the uptick in autism cases. The primates in the original study had seizures and at least one died. Humans had seizures too. What does it do to developing brains?
Probably nothing good especially to developing brains
Something certainly happened
to account for the "spread" of autism. Which, too, is likely the cause of the explosion of drugs - most aimed at aging Boomers - on the market. Seems TPTB are using a full scale multi front attack in their "War on the Poor." "Can't starve the bastids we'll poison them, but die they must!"
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Deja
Edit: sorry, was thinking of another comment and have no idea how I managed to click on yours, which I read just after posting, to see that you'd posted what's here. {probably waaaaaay too tired to be commenting, but have to stay up, even if not awake, drat it...)
You have to read the whole thing, (very long and detailed, year by year; I skimmed much of it, as I've read it before, years back, and at least had a general idea) which reveals the political corruption involved as well, (you probably knew about Rumsfeld's involvement, but there's more) and if you haven't read much on what such polluting (and other) industries get away with, this'll give you an idea...
Just to touch on a few of the issues:
http://www.wnho.net/history_of_aspartame.htm
Please note that at least some of the findings (even if greatly reduced from those actually appearing, still very nasty) were eventually reported to the FDA up to several years after they'd passed aspartame and that the poison was not pulled from the market. This is not an unusual situation.
This stuff is in all sorts of things, from those coated Tylenol tablets to Centrum (petrochemical=based) vitamin tablets...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Thank you, Ellen North!
Glad my memory was correct. Much of what you posted was in the documentary Sweet Misery. What I didn't know, or forgot, explains my respiratory issue whenever I ingest it. That's the fact that one of its ingredients breaks down into freaking formaldehyde. I am, and have been for years, allergic to formaldehyde. It used to be in newspaper ink and particle board. When I would be around either, I cough. Remove myself or it, and I stop.
Drinking it, via aspartame, and I have to take antihistamines. Can't chew most gum either.
But since it's actually a toxin, I guess I'm not so much allergic, as irritated by it, much like perfumes.
I mentioned my "allergy" to aspartame at dkos once, and a corporate shill piped in with, "Sigh, it's just an amino acid. You can't be allergic to amino acids."
I guess autism isn't the only thing the greedy bastards might have caused, but things thought as behavioral issues and obesity as well, not to mention reproduction (the pituitary gland is near or in the hypothalamus and it's directly connected to the thyroid as well, which is like the human body's control panel). I also began wondering decades ago if it caused people to gain weight - because those who drank diet coke, to cut calories rarely lost, and sometimes even gained weight. And then the pregnant women not wanting to gain too much.
Thank you!
DTC advertising of prescription medications
I am aware of this, and I do understand why things need to be that way.
I'm just not particularly fond of direct-to-consumer (DTC) advertising of prescription medications. Only the USA and New Zealand allow this. And there's good, medically valid reasons for prohibiting DTC advertising of prescription medications.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides