By their friends you shall know them.
OK, this is simply blowing my mind. I was over reading on DKOS and I came across this gem where they are throwing non-other than Jimmy Carter under the bus.
I was shocked by many of his comments too, some seemed closer to Trump than to progressives.
DailyKOS: Jeebus. Jimmy Carter - "...the media have been harder on Trump than any other president..."
Yes, Jimmy Carter is thrown under the bus because he dared to say things like this:
When I asked about Trump’s souring our image in the world, Carter defended his successor. “Well, he might be escalating it but I think that precedes Trump,” he said.
NYT: Jimmy Carter Lusts for a Trump Posting
I'm not terribly surprised that Jimmy Carter isn't following the establishment narrative. In his recent years, he seems to be following no narrative but his own. But suggesting that the problems we see today didn't start with Trump is not JC's biggest sin. No, that honor goes to this gem:
I wondered how the starchy Carter, who put out a White House edict that nobody could fly first class, felt about the louche Trump White House, where conflict of interest has been replaced by confluence of interest.
“I think the media have been harder on Trump than any other president certainly that I’ve known about,” Carter replied. “I think they feel free to claim that Trump is mentally deranged and everything else without hesitation.”
Since Rosalynn’s focus as first lady was mental health, I asked her if we should break the last taboo and let presidents have a White House shrink.
“I think it might help them,” she said with a smile.
She told me that she was left out of a first ladies lunch held by Michelle Obama on the issue of mental health, making it clear that she was still hurt.
(emphasis mine)
So in essence, Carter criticized the media and he was cast down by establishment Democrats.
Not to worry though. Establishment Democrats have plenty of friends. They are very cozy with The Bush dynasty. And then there's this guy:
Sure, in both cases, we're talking bloody handed war criminals but at least they criticize Trump appropriately.
I'd say this is an excellent synopsis of what the Democratic Party stands for. It stands against Trump and it stands for anything which stands against Trump -- unless of course that thing might inconvenience the oligarchs. When we get to universal health care they stand with Trump.
Comments
Well, the walking dead that inhabit DailyKult
pretty much trashed every 'Democratic' president in defence of Obama over the years, so who's surprised?
The vitriol spewed against FDR on a regular basis should have been a clue. The guy wasn't perfect, but compared to Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, etc.......
It's a very strange site.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Carter wasn't loyal to Team Blue
There is no greater sin
The irony being
Team Blue are the Tories in the UK. DKos would fit in.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Sometimes literally
There's Jim Messina, Obama's campaign manager, who worked for the campaigns of both David Cameron and Theresa May. He was also a major fundraiser for Hillary, of course.
Birds of a feather, and all...
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky
@movie buff If you're a Clinton
If you're a Clinton Democrat and reach out to Republicans (and their ilk overseas), you are savvy and get things done. If you're anybody else and you don't recite the anti-Republican catechism without nuance every time possible, you are an evil right-wing racist.
The object of power is power.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Do you think Jimmy's
commenting privileges might be suspended over this awful faux pas? He should have known better than to have offended DKos sensibilities so thoughtlessly.
native
Well, we can start to keep score
Quite clearly killing a few hundred thousand people in cold blood is not as great a sin as not standing assiduously by team blue. So you may be right. Then again, Harvey whatshisface stood proudly by team blue and he's been cast aside. So perhaps a few decades of sexual assault is a greater sin?
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC I'm still mindblown
I'm still mindblown that Weinstein is being held accountable for anything. Wonder why the establishment threw him under the bus (because we know that being a sexual predator is fine with the establishment, generally).
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I suspect they knew it couldn't go away
So they're using him as a lightning rod and, quite successfully, getting people to ignore the actual problem.
In my mind this guy has been doing this shit for 3 decades and EVERYONE knew. Hell, even I knew that stuff like that wasn't uncommon in Hollywood. It is the very picture of "rape culture" laid out for all of us to see and we, as a society, are complicit.
Or, I could tune the focus down a bit and just look at "Hollywood". Where are the mass boycotts for an entire industry which knowingly allowed this to happen?
Yeah, let's burn good ol' Harvey though... as if that was going to change the problem even one iota.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@SnappleBC Well, I've been
Well, I've been boycotting Weinstein's production company since last year, for other reasons.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
reading on DKOS
You know, that'll rot your brain if you're not careful.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I'm of the "know thy enemy" mindset
I have a variety of different feeds set up.
I read DKOS regularly. My thinking is that if the enemy is kind enough to publish their plans in public then it'd be impolite of me not to at least read them.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
know thy enemy
"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer!" -- V. Corleone
[video:https://youtu.be/DfHJDLoGInM]
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
This is why I read the NYT
That and the crossword.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
This person also wrote the WTF? diary on McCain's
American exceptionalism speech. And the rest of the DK bots gave John a standing ovation for totally lying his ass off about our genocidal hegemony.
Let's look at his too different opinions, shall we?
Can their disconnect from reality be anymore plain?
I haven't read all the comments, but did anyone say anything about what Jimmy said about Obama being an Empty Suit president and this is one of the reasons Hillary lost?
I particularly liked their concern over the media
The last I checked, it was the Democratic party calling resoundingly for state censorship of news sources. Quite evidently, they have no real interest in the institutions of media and journalism. They only care that "the right" story is getting out there... and ONLY the right story.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I saw this
The media couldn't say enough nice things about him during the general election because Hillary's bright idea of having them play her pied piper game. Are they aware that she had them do this because she was afraid that her emails were going to be a problem for them?
And the DP that is using the press to push their excuses for why Herheinous lost.
There are few people I still recognize, but there have been so many new members who only recently became members.
Many of them were from the correct the record pushback against people saying bad things about Hillary and they stayed because their egos were stroked.
Throwing Jimmy under the bus shouldn't have been surprising to anyone because of how deranged they became after Trump won. They are finding any excuse that they can so they can keep denying the real reason for why She lost.
Stay classy, Daily Kos
Two comments from the diary.
"I think the country is losing its collective frigging mind. Holy crap. Maybe Carter didn't fully beat that brain cancer after all."
"I’d like to give Carter the benefit of the doubt, and say that the 93 year-old who has had brain cancer suffered a momentary lapse."
(edited for clarity)
???
That’s sad.
They’ve dug themselves into a mental hole, and rather than stop digging, they’ve rented backhoes. At the head of the procession, the site owner, driving a steam shovel.
Sad is one word for them
Disgusting, abysmal, vile, hateful, repugnant and shameful are a few others. They spent a year calling anyone who criticized Hillary sexists and misogynists, but they have been writing diaries about Melena.
She was seen wearing very high heels when boarding Air Force one on their way to Puerto Rico and the comments they made were the definition of sexists.
Same with any of her ideas as FLOTUS. They belittle everything she says and does.
They have become abhorrent miscreants and I don't recognize most of the people I used to respect.
All because Hillary lost the election. And she lost it because she was a horrible candidate and a horrible human being.
Yes, make fun of current FLOTUS, but not of Her Potholderness
They can't help themselves.
They're fighting off the Russians, after all.
[video:https://youtu.be/hHT0zSgnFA0]
@Deja Deja, are you in
Deja, are you in Denver? It is so wild you posted this. I saw the interaction between them when they were outside and talking about her hairspray and him saying to never touch him again. I haven't seen all the others. BUT, I just tried looking it up (within the last month) to see what's going on. I really can't believe the station has let that go on as long as it has. Maybe that's why he does his own little segment now.
Anyway, it was hilarious and unexpected to see that video. Thanks.
In life, as in dance, grace glides on blistered feet. ~Alice Abrams
Backhoes can Dig to China Faster. We're in a Race to the Bottom
and we simply must win it!
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Make a similar comment about McCain
and I'll bet you could start a bakery with all the donuts you'd get.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
That place went batshit
quite awhile ago. It's only getting more insane.
I'm still laughing how they lauded Shaun King back in the days he was assiduously posting police brutality, members graciously thanking him for doing important work. But now, pointing out police brutality is a nefarious Russian plot.
All that's left to see there is contradiction and idiocy; I don't bother anymore.
Hmm, I cautiously approach
Could it be that your bluepill wore off? /s (cautiously)
In all seriousness, what exactly was it? What finally made you say, you think they've lost it?
[video:https://youtu.be/s-rKWkVecJ4]
Same things with Greenwald, Snowden and the others
Who used to be accepted there. The way that they treated Jessica Radack who is Snowden's attorney and many others who were critical of Bush, but once they became critical of Obama's policies, they turned on them.
The hatred that they feel for Bernie is off the charts. Just because he said some bad things about Hillary. They have forgotten about the horrible things that she said about Obama, especially after it looked like she was going to lose to him.
Some of the things she said about him bordered on racism and never forget her comment about why she was staying in the race after she knew she couldn't win it.
"Bobby Kennedy was assassinated when he was running for president "
@snoopydawg He hardly said anything
He hardly said anything bad about Hillary at all. I haven't seen such a kid-gloves campaign since I was 12.
As some commentator said, Bernie brought a spoon to a gunfight knowing Hillary would scream like he was cutting her with a knife.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@ChezJfrey I am waiting for the day
I am waiting for the day when Progressives and anyone who does not toe the corporate line gets labeled Russian agents.
Jeez. I've been waiting to sell out for
such a long time. But no one ever offers me anything close to real money. Maybe I should start a foundation or charity.
Jimmy Carter also voted for Bernie
So there's that.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOQYbYJ0g-Y]
Beware the bullshit factories.
That video is in front of rich people
Look how close and few.
He's also talking about reforming the "Democratic Party".
I love 'em both, but can't upvote the video. Just can't.
Until someone with Bernie's tenacity comes forward, outside of the D party, I guess I'm out.
Just saying that JC voting for Bernie
is probably a big factor in the hate JC is currently getting from the establishment.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Fair enough and a nod n/t
I enjoyed this discussion from last May
with Jimmy and Bernie. Don't throw away allies in the fight against the oligarchy.. You may have another approach, but I suggest supporting those with the same goals...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVW7QtRaIhw
(50 min, but seems like Jimmy leaves after about 30 min after which Bernie answers questions)
The DailyLost isn't worth the effort...best to move past those propagandists.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Not a dime's worth of different between the Hillbamabots
and Trump people. They both drip white entitlement and privilege. This country just isn't big enough for both of us. I never go to Red State, and I never go to DailyStupid. Kos and his trolls get called out everywhere, and the place is about as interesting as msnbc and watching paint dry.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is nothing new.
Clinton Democrats have to deride and attack Carter; he, Mondale and McGovern are their excuse for existence.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Carter's biography is a wacky thing.
As President, he oversaw:
a. deregulation of industries
b. an increase in military spending
c. a decrease in the federal deficit from its levels under his Republican predecessors
... yet, he was taken down by an opponent demanding:
a. deregulation of industries
b. an increase in military spending
c. a decrease in the federal deficit
His administration was quite conservative -- neoliberal, really, especially on foreign policy. Yet his life afterwards has reflected personal values in direct conflict with the character of his administration.
It's one of those things that makes you wonder how much power any president really has. He's certainly done far more good as an ex-president than he ever did in the oval office, the Camp David accords notwithstanding. (One final bizarre footnote: Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize for ... nothing, actually; while Carter was explicitly excluded when they gave the prize to Sadat and Begin.)
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
If you ever read Thomas Frank's "Listen, Liberal"
He correctly takes Carter to task for these things and starting us down the neo-liberal road. I feel he's a good guy, but I like him better as an ex-president.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Me too
My assessment (pure guesswork) is that he was early enough in the neoliberal train that some of those ideas seemed like good ideas at the time. He clearly regrets what it has grown in to. I don't hold him accountable in exactly the same way I do Obama even as I acknowledge his role in the growth of neoliberalism. I suspect he'd acknowledge that also.
I agree I like him better as an ex-President though.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
In those days all the business magazines including The Economist
were in the process of dropping Peter Drucker’s idea of top management as having a responsibility to society, and switching over to Ayn Rand. Stockholders’ interest über alles.
Among those “good ideas” was the concept of the HMO (“health maintenance organization”). Blame the economists and business writers. Remember when all those experts were promoting HMOs as the answer to the healthcare cost explosion? We were told that economic incentives would naturally push an HMO, and thus its patients, toward higher-quality, cost-saving preventive care.
A big swathe of U.S. business went ahead and implemented the HMO model, with the result that a decade or so later, the very idea of HMOs ever acting in patients’ interests had become a standing joke.
I had kaiser permanente
And honestly my recollection was that it was awesome. I never had any issue getting the care I needed... including some nasal surgery to make breathing easier. I note that last one because it could've easily been argued as elective had they a mind to. Granted, I never needed something truly expensive but still, my experiences were positive.
In hindsight I still don't think HMO's are any part of the problem. I think the idea that one should profit off the suffering of another is the problem. The very idea is monstrous on the face of it. I wish I'd been thinking along those lines much longer than I have.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I’ve heard reports from a variety of sources that jibe with that
strongly suggesting Kaiser Permanente was indeed the exception, providing good service and in general living up to the way it was hoped HMOs would work.
Good articles and comments
Good articles and comments tonight. Sooo much news!
Living up to my name and giving my piece :-)...my understanding is that the clintons don't like JC because of him sending prisoners to Arkansas when clinton was up for re-election. I don't remember the specifics, but it had something to do with that. You can see in several videos, at some d function, where the clintons just walked right past the Carters, without even acknowledging them.Yet, they are friends with the Bush family...probably because of Daddy helping bill with drug runs in Arkansas for the CIA.
It is horribly sad when we find out the truth. I've always defended JC. Until I started reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. It was Carter who appointed Volker(?) who raised interest rates astronomically on Latin American countries that we were "helping." We demand debt is paid from these countries and that debt is put on the citizens that were just taken over in a shock-and-awe event. Yes, we are such a great nation.
Another article tonight, or in the comments, mentioned Margaret Thatcher and her fondness of Pinochet. Well, again, look to The Shock Doctrine to spell out how Friedman got a hold of Thatcher. She loved his ideas of austerity and privatizing and taking away all social safety nets for the UK.Why do you think she was hated as much as she was?
Lastly, Deja, are you in Denver? That clip you provided is from our local news. I saw the interaction with them outside talking about her hair spray. I hadn't seen the others, but actually tried looking it up recently...wondering what the hell's going on with them.I don't know if I'm just getting old, but this stuff is really pissing me off. I am too young to be a true hippy, but I believe in making love not war. We have become some really shitty people that I am just not proud of at all...and I can be a part of that, too. Which pisses me off even more! Look what you made me do????
I hope all here have a good weekend. Do some deep breathing, relax and take care of yourselves.
In life, as in dance, grace glides on blistered feet. ~Alice Abrams