“In the meantime, the Daily Kos can fucking blow me.”

From Caitlin Johnstone

So It Turns Out Black Activists Were Tricked By Putin Into Thinking There’s A Problem. *Cough*

The Daily Kos, which these days seems to spend most of its energy stumping for the new cold war and promoting blog pieces with titles like “Putin crony Jill Stein”, has got some fantastic news for black activists all over America. You know how you guys have been laboring under the impression that you live in a country built upon slavery and kleptocratic Jim Crow laws, resulting in institutional racism and oppressive generational poverty which plague you to this day?

Well, it turns out you imagined the whole thing: you were actually tricked into thinking those thoughts by Vladimir Putin in order to influence the 2016 election. Turns out your activism hasn’t been needed after all! Yay!

Don’t worry though: the Daily Kos hastens to inform us that it wasn’t your fault. You organized events protesting police brutality and systemic racism on behalf of the Kremlin “unknowingly”.

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These manipulations wouldn’t be used if they weren’t expected to work. It’s up to us to keep pointing them out as they come up, but as we discussed last time, eventually we’re going to have to evolve to a point where we become immune to oligarchic propaganda. In the meantime, the Daily Kos can fucking blow me.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/so-it-turns-out-black-activists-were-...

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Black activists unknowingly organized events for Russia, helping effort to create divisions in U.S.

https://twitter.com/dailykos/status/921370504677806080

The above is the link to the Tweet on Twitter. It will make make your day! A sample response is below:

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This is condescending and idiotic. People didn't vote for HRC, because she is a lying corrupt corporate warmonger not Russia

You just have to read the article and the original Tweer to get the full effect. It’s worth it.

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But at least now we know that Markos isn't really at fault, he's just certifiably insane. Not that we didn't know that, but the world will now know to cut the poor bugger slack whenever he publicly drools.

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@Ellen North
Made a sock so I could post it at TOP but the best I could do would be to slip it into someone else’s thread, but then no one would see it.

And I agree. Moosetits is batshit crazy.

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@Amanda Matthews He's just bought and paid for. Like any good whore, he'll do whatever his client wants him to.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish
what you’d call mentally ‘healthy’. There’s some kind of problem there.

Sociopaths are not ‘normal’. But that guy is an extreme case of personality disorder who’s crazy enough to think most people believe his propaganda. I remember one guy who took old Moosetits to the woodshed on his dysfunctional nonsense.

An oldie but a GOODIE!!!

{UPDATED} Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is a Right Wing, CIA Loving Tool
Aug 23, 2009 2:04am CDT by Guy Caballero

No lefty would have ever supported the CIA. Proof of Kos doing so is now well-known, as he had a brain cramp in an interview with the Commonwealth Club in 2006. It is without a doubt that he called the CIA a liberal institution he'd have no problem working for. Maybe he already did? According to his own words, he went through a six month interview process starting in 2001. He said that he went all the way to the end and had to decide whether to become a clandestine spy or work for Howard Dean. We know what he decided on. Funny thing though about the timeline according to his own words. How does a six month process starting in 2001 end in the middle of 2003? Daily Kos was started in 2002. Did Kos run this blog while he was working for the CIA? He needs to explain this, or otherwise it is fairly clear what the answer is. At a minimum, he is no lefty. He is into making money. He was the worst thing that ever could have happened to progressives on the net

Update: Not one of you numbnuts debunked the content of this diary, because you can't. Also, there should be 276 comments. A rough count shows there are only 174 comments. You're nothing but a bunch of cheaters. Uhm, no I am not a wingnut. I am not working for Dick Cheney. I do believe Obama was eligible to run for President. Notice how not one of these buggers went into detail of what Kos said in the Commonwealth Club interview. Also, that was done in 2006, so Moulitsas Zuniga has no wiggle room as he seems to think he does for being an outright homophobe in his youth. You are all my bitches. Go Cheney yourselves.

If you look at his biography and on at least one of his diaries, he mentions those darn violent communist guerillas who forced his family to flee El Salvador. Can anyone show me where he has condemned the right wing death squads? We all know what will happen with this diary. If it isn't outright deleted, the sycophants will crow about tinfoil hats and decoder rings, not to mention cuckoo bananas. The instant hammerban will be applied. Not only that, anyone who supports what I have written will suffer the same treatment, as if they were a Mormon trying to escape their cult. All these new crap revelations are coming out against the CIA. I felt this was a good time to repeat what is so often censored or ridiculed at this dive. With that said, you can all now resume your normal sycophant schedules.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2009/8/23/771144/-

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@Amanda Matthews

Thanks, that was some nice writing!

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Wink

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I've been a little torn between your suggestion and my basic theory about it being a political 'sleeper' propaganda blog run to acquire some respectability before sacrificing it on a Clinton strategy but, really, there's nothing to stop it being both, as far as I can see.

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@mimi a spycraft term of art, fits the site pretty much all along.

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@mimi
so I will redact it.

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@mimi Why?

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Can you get me her phone number, huh?

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@Alligator Ed
Markie Moosetits propaganda factory.

As for the phone number, after this there’s probably quite a number of people who would like her phone number. Pro and con, male and female.

This is a classic!

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They are even further gone than I had realized.

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@Dhyerwolf
I do hesitate to help them get clicks.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/19/1708224/-Black-activists-unkno...

That is one delusional bunch of idiots. They fon’t get it that THEY’VE been ‘fooled’.

As usual there’s nothung but tales from ‘sources’ as the basis of their claims. Not a brainwave pattern to be had. From the groupies, that is. Luttle Markie and his trolls are smart enough to know how to push their buttons.

Truly amazing.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews

that they hang on every word that Rachel spews and nod their heads at what she is saying because it fits their thinking and this is what they used to make fun of the people who watched O'Reilly.

Heh. Rachel went on one of her long winded epic rants the other day and decided that the 4 soldiers who were killed in Niger was because Trump added Chad to his travel ban. There were number of articles that stated that she was basically pulling things out of her ... and she had no idea what she was talking about.
I will refer to her as Rachel O'Reilly.
Geez, she has fallen so far from her Air America radio days.

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@snoopydawg than she did at Air America, and the requirements are different. I'm guessing that there's no Weinstein casting couch at MSNBC, but there are other things that you have to give up there to be a star, including your morals, ethics and values.

When they want her opinion, they'll give it to her.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@snoopydawg
but think of how her credit rating has risen.

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@Dhyerwolf I would LOVE to see what DOV and BBB have to say about this. Lol

But no way in hell am I clicking over there.

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@Eagles92

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@Dhyerwolf
tribal loyalty above all

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I'm glad you made it out! Next time, bring protection - if you ever do that again.

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said with full respect.

"fucking blow me" hahahaha.
bless C. Johnstone. I must send her some cash.

up the irish!

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TOP hasn't reached bottom yet, but they're giving it their best shot! Thanks for posting this.

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
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@Raggedy Ann
I was reading. It was so tragicomic I almost got intellectual whiplash. It’s confusing, do you laugh or cry because your’re surroundef by such idiots?

Definition of tragicomic

1 :of, relating to, or resembling tragicomedy
2 :manifesting both tragic and comic aspects
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tragicomic#

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@Amanda Matthews
Perfect!

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

@Raggedy Ann

Lol, I think they're still digging a new bottom to sink to. Rinse, repeat.

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@Ellen North @Ellen North
edited to add - not telling, just responding in INTERNATIONAL CAPS DAY style. However, it screams to me, so apologies.

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@Raggedy Ann

Lol, now I'm wondering if the depth of that hole is an indication of how they plan to invade China in the attempt to prevent the rest of the world from having a life.

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but getting there.
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@gjohnsit
'Nuf said about composting matter.

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...will name Billary as a Russian operative.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

"largest progressive blog" with this sort of BS. Caitlin Johnstone is incredible. No filters in her way.

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I’ll be damned.

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for ya' Amanda.

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@JtC

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this tune goes out to Caitlin.

beth hart brings it.

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@irishking
to post. She didn’t just dissect that Tweet. She autopsied and buried it. Publicly.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

or like CNN, haven't got a clue about what they're doing. Russian media are beating them badly at their own game. RT for example, is actually paying its critics to spout idiotic anti-Russian nonsense on Russian TV (about $8700 to $12000 dollars each month), all so that the audience can laugh at them! Modern-day Russia is definitely not like the Soviet Union.

The main difference was this: if the Soviet went out of their way to prevent western propaganda from reaching the Soviet people, the Russians are nowadays doing the exact opposite: they are going out of their way to make sure that western propaganda is immediately translated and beamed into every single Russian household.

By now, you must have heard about the CNN report about how the evil Russkies used Pokemon to destabilize and subvert the US. If not, here it is: (...report...)

In Russia this report was in instant mega-success: the video was translated and rebroadcasted on every single TV channel. Margarita Simonian, the brilliant director of Russia Today, was asked during a live show “be truthful and confess – what is your relationship with Pokemon, do they work for you?” to which she replied “I feed them” – the audience burst in laughter.

"One of the techniques regularly used on Russian talkshows is to show a short report about the latest crazy nonsense coming out of the United States or Europe and then ask a pro-US guests to react to it. The “liberals” (in the Russian political meaning of this word, that is a hopelessly naïve pro-western person who loves to trash everything Russian and who hates Putin and those who support him) are intensely embarrassed and usually either simply admit that this is crazy nonsense or try to find some crazy nonsense in the Russian media (and there is plenty of that too) to show that “we are just as bad”. Needless to say, no matter what escape route is chosen, the “liberal” ends up looking like a total idiot or a traitor."

USA propaganda mills are so far behind the times, it's actually kind of funny.

http://www.unz.com/tsaker/re-visiting-russian-counter-propaganda-methods/

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@native lightyears ahead of us. There was an ad on a Google search I did, that I didn't even see, that made -- not only me, but six people I met with that day in person -- vote Not-Hilary.

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Remember that Putin haz time-travel and can make people do things based on things they'll hear about one day, long afterward. The way it works is too esoteric for me to follow, though, not being clever enough to be a Russian...

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@Ellen North

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Isn't that the site that fought all through the primaries about how blacks could make up their own minds on who they voted for?
Did not one of these idiots realize that the BLM protests started in 2014 in Ferguson after Michael Brown was killed? And that this was before anyone had declared that they were running for president? Oh wait, maybe Putin just knew that HerHeinous was going to run so he got the jump on this. Yeah that's it.

But wait, it gets better. Putin even infiltrated ToP and maybe some of the members here were Putin's puppets too. Think I am kidding? Good gawd, I wish I was.

When will the administrators of this site tell us how dailykos was also infiltrated by these Russian trolls? They seem to be awfully quiet, but it would make a lot of sense for Russian operatives to target a site like this to divide the left.
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Frankly I think that had a lot to do with the purge a while back.
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@snoopydawg
and start freaking out about Socialists in our midst. Expel them! OK, but then they get even more scared of Russia, and start seeing Russians under everybody's bed. Pretty soon they get the two things mixed up, so anybody who doesn't support Clinton must be a Russian stooge. Even if they don't know it. And finally along comes that Trump character, who gets transformed into being a Russian agent too! An Enemy of the State for sure. Lucky thing we've got the CIA and FBI to warn us about these types. Hell, they're even warning us about ourselves! What a relief to be so well guarded.

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@native

It's true. I was a Russian stooge and I only followed Bernie because Putin paid me to do so. Putin paid me to pretend that Bernie's socialistic views were what this country needed in order to start moving it into communism. I know the names of the others who were also stooges on ToP and was pushing the socialism/communism meme. I'm not going to tell you who they were because they too are here and it's up to them if they wanna come out.

And in case anyone's wondering if I'm a Russian stooge here too, I'm not. Once the checks stopped coming, I returned to my true self and my real political viewpoint that both parties are corrupt.

Hopefully, ya'll will still be my friend and not let this deception come between us.

This is just as ridiculous as people believing what native stated. Just absurd.

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@snoopydawg

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@snoopydawg
And to think those Kremlin cheapskates never even paid me one red cent. Pikers, if they don't fork over pretty soon I may just go ahead and become a neoliberal. It might pay a little better anyway.

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Thanks, Amanda.

The comments on that tweet are priceless.

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@Eagles92 "Fucked up how Putin invented racism."

Oh, my stars. There is hope after all.

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@Eagles92
Those people back up one of my pet theories, that the human race is devolving.

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@Amanda Matthews So many of the comments demonstrate otherwise, which is encouraging.

The gaslighting and red-baiting aren't working.

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@Amanda Matthews

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of things. Particularly about the posters at TOP. That’s must be why they seem straight out of Bizarro World.

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@snoopydawg Isn't that pretty much the plot of Prometheus?

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Markos needs to blow me first.

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I recognized just 2 commenters, all the rest are unknown to me. Both commenters I used to really appreciate support the idea that Russia caused Hillary to lose the election.
I wish there was a way to distinguish my click so it would be understood by admin as a "just came by to read your stupid shit".

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@on the cusp

What i have a hard time believing are the ones who supported Bernie are buying this. Just unbelievable.

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would believe that the moon was made of green cheese, if some teevee talking head, or some WaPo wise guy assured them that it was. The sheer amount of drivel, lies, and disinformation being peddled by ill-informed media hosts is astounding. Apparently Australian television has joined this rousing chorus of intentional ignorance. Hillary and her stupid book are being much talked-about down under -- at least by the talking heads who try to sell this crap. John Pilger's lucid reflections on the phenomenon are well worth a read:

On 16 October, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation aired an interview with Hillary Clinton: one of many to promote her score-settling book about why she was not elected President of the United States...

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10/20/clinton-assange-and-the-war-on-t...

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Check out the Kos article's author.

Staff writer for @dailykos. Diversity practitioner. Adjunct professor. Part-time yogi. BlogHer Voice of the Year honoree.

You cannot make this shit up.

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@Eagles92
Guess full time doesn't pay the bills so she went to Kos, who "turned her out" like every good pimp does.

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@Deja wtf is that?

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@on the cusp It must mean "equally opportunistic neoliberal complicity."

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@on the cusp different every half hour.

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@Deja
Pic-a-nic baskets three days a week.

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Regarding his Russian propaganda? I think she used to be a big supporter.

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@Big Al I don't always have a chance to stay current with her essays, but IIRC, she has mostly written him off -- or at least has warned her readers that he's politically neutered.

I don't know that I've seen anything specific regarding his buy-in (genuine or not) to the Russia BS. Now I'm interested enough to look.

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@Eagles92
did a report months ago about why it was important to refuse all efforts to support Sanders, based in part, as I recall, on his silence about anything touching on foreign policy and war. And silence on peace.

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@Big Al The Deep State has Digested both Trump and Sanders

It’s been excruciating to watch the man we progressive rebels lifted up last year praise the White Helmets, advance establishment lies about Russia and Syria, and spit on the Palestinian people with greater and greater intensity since that gut-wrenching day he endorsed bloodthirsty oligarch Hillary Clinton for Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military force in the history of civilization.

And

In a recent video which I openly admit to not being emotionally capable of finishing, Sanders monologued bald-faced lies straight into the camera, calling Assad a dictator who has “murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people,” saying that there is “no longer a debate” as to whether Russia manipulated the 2016 election “in a heavy duty way,” and that “no one now denies” such a thing happened and may continue to happen in America’s 2018 elections. We need to be perfectly clear: these are lies. Sanders knows that they are lies. There is no basis whatsoever for the assertion that Assad has “murdered” the hundreds of thousands of people who have perished in the war between the Syrian government and CIA-backed radical jihadists and terrorist factions that has ravaged his country. There is no basis whatsoever for saying that there is “no debate” that Russia interfered in the US elections in a significant way when we have to this day not be shown one single shred of proof that Russians hacked Democratic party emails and shared them with WikiLeaks.
Sanders is stating these things as though they are facts, and they are not. He is lying. He knows that he is lying. His lies have potentially world-ending consequences as they are used to manufacture consent for dangerous escalations with a nuclear superpower. Yesterday Sanders posted another video asking his followers, “Need a break from Russia? Join me for a conversation with comedian Larry Wilmore.” Yes, Bernie, I do fucking need a break from fucking Russia. No I will not be watching anything with Larry fucking Wilmore.

I don't know if the above violates fair use rights? I hope not ...

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@Eagles92 @Eagles92 Better late than never I guess.

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@Big Al Which is admittedly still late, but at least earlier than others.

Speaking from personal experience, many Bernie supporters experienced an extended period of grief and wound-licking before we were capable of seeing, let alone admitting, his participation in the Establishment propaganda. Now that Caitlin is "woke" in that regard, I don't expect her to back-track. And her readership is definitely growing. So we have that going for us ...

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@Eagles92 Smile

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@Big Al But I've been under deadline and staring at the screen too long today. Did I contradict myself? If so, don't let me off the hook! (I just can't find your reference).

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@Eagles92 a reply to snoopydawg,
"As for intelligent people buying in . . "

Maybe a can of worms we shouldn't open.

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@Big Al

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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Apparently there are at least a few blacks who are not entirely behind the neoliberal identity politics game plan.

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

Having got back on to read the rest of the Twitter thread, (now that there's room on there to get on, as there wasn't last night) my suspicions have solidified.

Markos must know the reaction that this bizarrely insane DNC strategy - especially in this phrasing - and the expressed pathological tendencies implicit within it would elicit and how many more people would swear off the Dems forever in revulsion, well before the next election. This is obviously (either snark/possible revenge? or) propaganda intended to ensure that the Dems get crushed by the Repubs in the next election - which is, importantly, I believe, not Presidential.

But taken in conjunction with the DNC purge and corporate Super Delegates, I am now reasonably certain that the purpose is to ensure that no matter what damage Trump and the merry bands of Bush League neocons, crazed billionaires and others running government does, the Dems will lose the next election in a landslide, this, under the Two-Corporate-Party Trap ongoing scam, giving the Repubs the majority required for a Constitutional Convention, and thereby changing from using the now-altered document (doubtless minus the Bill of Rights and anything mentioning 'we, the people' or implying that government might have any responsibility toward the country or people, such as Congress maintaining roads or the Post Office, so that they can 'Constitutionally' do as they please without international outcry,) as toilet paper, to even more freely and directly using the American people and country as flushable toilet paper.

Then, assuming that the game of the selection process is still being continued, with the Repubs taking the blame for enacting the most destructive joint Party corporate interest/billionaire objectives, Hillary can more plausibly Have Her Turn in the next Presidential selection.

Her and the Dems will, of course, be helpless against the Repubs and, in this scenario, there's no longer even any pretense to be made of anyone - other than Those Who Matter in the top fraction of the 1% - having any rights to not be upheld in the majority-corrupt Supreme Court.

But the American people can, while the scam's still required to keep them quiet, continue to be kept busily running back and forth between the two corporate/billionaire cats-paws, still voting for evil every time, while being clawed more deeply every time.

If another and actually democratic Party cannot be assembled in time, as seems likely, I'd suggest that what's available be researched to find those most suitable outside the Corporate Party and a National Strategic Vote be organized, also strongly urging voting only for non-corporate Progressives, together with an organized demand for citizen oversight of the entire electoral process to try to limit cheating.

There are far more Indies than either Dems or Repubs (even without adding in dissatisfied voters/non-voters from either wing of the Two-Faced Corporate Party) and as far as actual potential votes go, there should, at least theoretically, be plenty to assure a majority of votes for any party they'd coalescence behind, and the drastic reduction of seats for the corporate parties in each ensuing election.

But, obviously, in any such scenario, the voter suppression and electoral cheating must be addressed, and the corporate and corporate-captured once-left media blackout and smear campaigns be taken into account, as must the hostile take-over of the internet, the snowballing censorship and propaganda.

If, for example, there was any sign of Bernie considering another Presidential run, a massive smear campaign and media blackout would be immediately implemented, also thereby shutting out the painfully gained corporate media access to gently remind the American people that their government should be working for, not against, them and their country.

And the Psychopaths and Parasites That Be are evidently concerned about this, that being why they try so (often laughably) hard to discredit Bernie, Progressives and the concept of democracy (a Russian plot! US cops even have a right to murder citizens as they please! So there! People just should try harder not to be non-White/Poor, if they actually mind being police-murdered for breathing!) and even their own false advertising about American 'democracy' and the guaranteed Constitutional rights a few enlightened Founders fought so hard to include against the efforts of those deeply self-interested among their numbers.

But any effort to organize a Strategic Vote would need to be heavily promoted and conducted on the internet - on which a great deal of censorship is in the process of being implemented.

Which also means a lot of legwork, pamphleteering and such, in all States, needs to be organized. Fast.

And there have also been great propaganda efforts to quash the energy and hopes of not only Progressives but everyone frantic to vote for the chance of an improved life in a democracy, successfully leaving many feeling suckered - not necessarily by the interloping and globally powerful corporate/billionaire/lackey faction who cheated the entire US PTB-threatened world of Bernie's win, but instead often blaming Bernie himself for not being Rambo and single-handedly taking out a global octopus by spitting defiance at the DNC Coronation and wasting all chances at rousing the public consciousness by immediately trying to run Indie, in an utterly rigged system, against the corporate machine.

And many - even more than were already previously 'there' already - have simply decided to simply not vote in that thoroughly rigged system.

Thing is, there needs to be enough continuous fuss and voiced determination to vote against both wings of the Corporate Party and enough agitation for citizen oversight to make cheating even more obvious.

And it must also be made obvious that the results of evident cheating will never again be left to stand as a 'done deal' by the general public.

Can the so-carefully propaganda-divided Americans actually get together to literally fight for their lives, their country and government and the achievement of starting an actual democracy, at long last?

If we look at the citizen self-organizing done in the interest of getting a chance of the policies Bernie espouses being enacted, it would certainly seem so.

Can so-carefully propaganda-quashed Americans actually get it together to make a start at trying to initiate this?

Maybe if the more-aware people thought about what's likely to occur if they don't even try and just keep going with the toilet flow...

It's certainly a lot harder now than it would have been earlier, but will there be any chance at all after the next election, with that Repub majority required for a Constitutional white-out looking increasingly more likely, with the functionality of the internet doubtless completely gone for any useful purpose, with only State-approved propaganda 'legal' and the fascist gloves completely off?

There's a bunch of very nasty (and rapidly economy/health/life-destroying) stuff apparent now and more and worse coming, as has been predicted for some time by many, including some highly respected thinkers and writers, many of the effects of which having been already shown in previous history, and which has been survived because limited and/or quelled in time. Much of what's likely to occur, if not stopped now, is not likely to be survivable by most or even any of us.

But pacific mass protest, widespread boycotts of the most-criminal corporations while the people still have any money at all, to withhold in order to make them hurt, Strategically Voting for a non-corporate, of-the-people Party and against the corporate parties and pro-active actions regarding the notorious American Selectoral system all seems imperative to me.

Even some people on this very site, with the information available to us, sometimes still speak of America being 'in danger of' becoming wholly fascist, when full-blown fascism - a blatantly military/corporate lawless State stripping inalienable rights from its own people, on the pretext of keeping them safe, using a single, if horrific, incident in a heavily militarized country not subject to invasion, in order to use them and the country's resources to more fully implement a planned global corporate/military/economic hostile take-over - was very obviously implemented under Bush 2, via 9/11, with conditioning toward universal public acceptance of any abusive public/private or other State intrusion of privacy and basic human rights under that same pretense of 'safety' exported around the world, despite this failing to catch any non-FBI/State-initiated 'terrorists'.

It's been made obvious that this is all to watch us and to keep us, the people of the world, under control while we're being fleeced, poisoned and dispossessed by those who have already stolen much of the money and power of the people of America and various of the people of the world, in case any of us pacifically object before they've taken it all, from us all.

Just watched another great Jimmy Dore; in case anyone hasn't seen this yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCfmGyeAyM

Primary Cheater Donna Brazile Appointed To Rules Committee
The Jimmy Dore Show
Published on 22 Oct 2017

Primary Cheater Donna Brazile Appointed To Rules Committee

And also recorded while 'normalizing' pay-to-play access for donor cash and attempting to lump that in with giving activists - typically fighting for, rather than, like the donors, against - the citizens who their office actually exists to represent - access...

America needs regime change - starting now.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@Ellen North You make a compelling argument. And its implications are more frightening than a clown in a sewer.

So much of it makes sense: all of those "liberals" (many of my friends included) who now happily embrace the likes of McCain and Dumbya just because they "speak truth to" the Cheeto. (Of course, it's always prefaced by, "I never thought I'd agree with [insert name of odious Republican here], but ..."

Which tells me this particular psy-op is working.

Ellen, I hope you'll consider a dedicated essay on this, so that the argument (and supporting evidence) you make here doesn't get buried. This is worthy of much more discussion, IMHO.

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@Eagles92

"I never thought I'd agree with [insert name of odious Republican here], but ..."

While I don't 'participate' on Facebook, I do have an account, and have real-life friends (as opposed to FB pretend-friends) that have posted that exact line (most notably GWB).

The stupid is rapidly enveloping all in its path.

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This attack on black activists was bound to happen eventually. It started last year with Hillary and her claim that Putin was behind anti-fracking protests. The NYTimes published a straight piece about last year June or so that accused Putin of instigating anti-TPP opinions. It was clear from previous versions of McCarthyism that Russia would used to squash and marginalize any sort of dissent against the establishment. Putin was recently accused of being behind the Catalonia independence movement.

So basically white democrats are throwing black activists under the bus to further the Russia-gate narrative. Getting Trump through Russia accusations is more important than racial issues effecting their most loyal base.

This theme is reaching beyond TOP. It is reaching main stream credibility through articles like this in the Atlantic.

The History of Russian Involvement in America's Race Wars
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/russia-faceboo...

Also, found this. An article about a State department memo that listed out the Soviet propaganda they were spewing about race in 1963. Looking at what State thought was "propaganda" would hardly be questioned as untrue by current beliefs.

The democrats will end up shooting themselves in the foot with their largest most loyal base if they keep this shit up. Black establishment leadership will not be able to stem the resentment this will cause with younger black activists.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/07/09/civil_rights_coverage_ho...

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@MrWebster

of the black members of DK are buying into the Russian crap. I don't remember if they commented in the diary that Amanda linked to or not.
I ask again, how can so many intelligent people buy into this for so long? And keep saying yep, after another even more out there accusation is offered?
I'm not only talking about the ToPbots, but people like my aunt and uncle as well as my other family members?

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
- strife delivery

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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg But the author of that piece of shit is black!

This goes even beyond white democrats throwing black activists under the bus. It's neoliberals/neoconservatives of any stripe throwing black activists under the bus.

I need to read the article Mr. Webster links, because I suspect it's another attempt at gaslighting, rather than historical truth. The good news is, based on the responses to Markie Moosetits's [thanks, Amanda!] tweet, many people are well aware of previous attempts to link black activism to Russia/communism -- and the underlying reasons for it.

[Edit: fixed attribution for a link]

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@Eagles92
And asking if it's the '30s or '50s.

I retweeted many of the responses to @dailykos. Some were too good to pass up.

I was tempted to respond to a tweet the author made from her own account where she gave someone else a hard time about integrity and something else, dignity maybe, but I chickened out.

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@Eagles92 Had a special meeting with Twitter, FB, etc to talk about the pernicious effect of Russia meddling into their communities--basically buying into the narrative that AA activist groups were targeted by Russians.

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@snoopydawg I'm really starting to believe that they are lazy, and/or unwilling to challenge the official narrative. They either don't want to do the work required for a reality check (besides, they're hearing what they want to hear and already believe) -- or they don't want to know that a different reality exists.

In a sense, I almost can't blame them for the latter. I was a much happier individual when I was ignorant of all this shit.

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@snoopydawg Except for Jordan and Michael Tracey (who seems to have disappeared), everybody that I hear on TYT has fully bought into the conspiracy. Cenk literally foams at the mouth when he talks about it. One segment he used homophobic slurs calling Trump Putin's bitch. TYT are just as unhinged and irrational about Russia-gate as is TOP.

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@MrWebster I don't know Cenk's political provenance -- is he another Kos, who pretended to be progressive until someone showed up with a big paycheck?

I followed TYT during the primaries but tuned them out once they started toeing hoeing the party line.

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@MrWebster
TyT is usually ok but not when it comes to Russia

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@MrWebster I have wondered if American protesters will be written off as being Russian patsies and ignored or despised.

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@MrWebster hand behind Kos agenda is plain. Remember he claimed to be tightening up the site and aiming to attract more of the Black and Latino demographics, as well as the youth.
But he just basically shat them out. To further the Dem Leadership, er, Losership, plan. A plan that curiously avoids any actual appeal to voters who aren't in the Cult.

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