Some thoughts on this weeks crazy.

Puerto Rican Hurricanes Damage

Doesn't count as American apparently, not real Americans because 'brown people", don't speak Americanese and anyway they are not devout republicans. See Texas and Florida and anyway they cant vote in 'real' Americans elections.

Un-Americans.

Denigrating flags and Uber-Nationalism

The national anthem is played way too often as it is. Not kneeling doesn't prove anything. The pledge of allegiance is said way too often. Way too many flags about, unless people are unsure where they are. Flag pins the same unless they are unsure where they were born.
To denigrate the flag properly wear it as clothing, including knickers and bathing suits; that includes wrapping yourself up in it metaphorically or physically to prove how patriotic you are.

How to properly denigrate a flag

Republican efforts to repeal and replace Obamacare

Cant find a way to increase the profitability of the medical service industry without looking like the heartless thugs they are.

Military Spending

Increasing the budget is at the heart of every right-thinking politician be they Democrat or Republican until the failed State is realized. Ring fence it for eternity! The mighty North Korea will destroy the HOMELAND unless we bankrupt ourselves!

Social stuff and tax cuts

Who cares about poor folks, seriously, who cares? Tax cuts for the mega-wealthy and their corporations are needed desperately, have you seen the prices of Krug and mega-yachts?

Presidential tweets

Essential for the smooth running of a country.

Identity politics.

I'm not sure who I am, I'll let others define me and put me into a generalized box to deal with later, but only if my vote is needed.

Summary

Gah, meh, OMFG.

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ggersh's picture

cuz he has two bases, one being a minority of
the minority, the other being the .05%.

after all the base has taken the pledge

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@ggersh

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@LaFeminista

It is funny how that word keeps popping up next to his name. I'm not fond of that word, but somehow, it is the right word for Trump.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich

Look at the wormy way Trump's mouth sometimes twists when speaking; always makes me think of how I'd imagine an oddly prissy (and extremely flexible) asshole to move, could it form speech in cartoon form. Or, should there be anything else equally disgusting, of something equally disgusting.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@ggersh like it from any US President, disgusting.

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@LaFeminista lapel pins, military flyovers, the national anthem
gba after every speech, surprised a bit it's not done
on every twit err tweet.

Remember dubya "you're either w/us or against us" and
zero was just way to lame to do it in the open, being
a zero comes w/his territory.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@ggersh on the antenna?

I sure as hell do. I also am quite proud of myself that at the time I proudly flew a Jolly Roger.

Now, I'm thinking something else that would be GUARANTEED to piss off the flag fetishists...

Maybe a Mexican or Canadian flag. Smile

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r8jlHDBMsw]
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks or a French Canadian fleur-de-lys.

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@LaFeminista you just wave a certain piece of cloth at them and they immediately get enraged, it's weird actually. Then you wave a different piece of cloth, and they stand up, sing songs and even cry.

It would be fun to see how quickly you could get them to cycle between one extreme and the other.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@detroitmechworks [video:https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/san-juan-mayor-were-having-a-humanitarian...

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@detroitmechworks once that said "Mafia Staff Car. Hands off."

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@detroitmechworks
a German and a Cameroonian flag outside of my then US based marital home. But then I thought, that may be too much for my neighbors to get along with...

So, no flags evah.

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@detroitmechworks

How about a Skull and Crossbones (fraternity) flag - with a burning Bush beneath it? In effigy, of course.

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@ggersh last election you mean

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@LaFeminista both parties in 2018 and 2020 will be campaigning against progressives.

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@Snode wear that badge proudly I say. [Political group]

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@Snode [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiv3Pl0WJOw]

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@LaFeminista so maybe just maybe we the people might
wake up, but I'm not holding my breath

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@ggersh @ggersh

This is a huge, wonderful article (which may have been posted here before? Or one making the same point, at any rate) making many important points and I hope that everyone who hasn't yet can manage to read the whole thing at source. But in case, here's a sample of some of them, where the best is yet to come further in the article.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-notion-that-white-workers-elected-...

Jul 08, 2017
TD originals
The Notion That White Workers Elected Trump Is a Myth That Suits the Ruling Class

Paul Street
Contributor
Paul Street holds a doctorate in U.S. history from Binghamton University. He is former vice president for research and planning of the Chicago Urban League. Street is also the author of numerous books,…

...Trump’s Real Base

This storyline has been repeated over and over and taken for granted in the mainstream media and even in much of the progressive left—including by me (see this Truthdig essay, in which I unfortunately referred to “Trump’s conservative, white working-class base”). And it is false. The narrative is flatly contradicted by the data. As Lehigh University political scientist Anthony DiMaggio noted three weeks ago:

Support for Trump … is largely concentrated among more affluent Americans. Trump voters were significantly more likely to be older, white, Republican conservatives—a group that has been quite privileged historically speaking. Trump voters were not more likely to be unemployed, compared to non-Trump voters. Income-wise, the single largest group of Trump supporters was comprised of individuals hailing from households earning incomes of more than $100,000 a year—which made up 35 percent of all his voters. Those earning between $75,000 to $100,000 a year accounted for 19 percent of Trump voters, meaning that 54 percent of the president’s supporters came from households earning over $75,000 a year. Another 20 percent of Trump supporters earned between $50,000 to $75,000 a year, putting them over the national median household income, which has long hovered around $50,000. In sum, approximately three-quarters of Trump voters were from households earning more than the national median income, while just one-quarter earned less than the median.

Lost in the hoopla over Trump’s alleged “working-class base” is an all-too-easy-to-forget fact that a higher percentage of Trump’s voters (35 percent) than Hillary Clinton’s (34 percent) were from the one-fourth of Americans who live in households that “earn” over $100,000 a year.

Academic studies of exit polling data show that Trump’s backers were concerned primarily with the “social issues” he championed. Sexism and racism (white identity) were the leading correlates with Trump voting, not economic dissatisfaction or disadvantage. It was Trump’s chauvinistic positions and statements on race, gender and immigration — not his “blue-collar populism” — that scored him the most points with his mostly middle-class backers.

Yes, the white working class, defined as Caucasians with less than a college degree (more on that below), demonstrated yet again their preference for Republicans over Democrats in the presidential election. Indeed, Trump bested Clinton among white voters without college degrees by 66 percent to 28 percent, the biggest Republican margin with those voters since 1980.

But the lack of a college diploma is a highly imperfect measure of working-class status. Bill Gates never got a bachelor’s degree. Neither did his proletarian comrade Mark Zuckerberg. Occupation and income are far better indicators. Exit polls include the second category but not the first. And nearly 60 percent of white people without college degrees who voted for Trump were in the top half of the income distribution. One in 5 white Trump voters without a college degree had a household income over $100,000.

Another difficulty with the white Trumped-proletarian narrative is that most whites without an allegedly class-defining college degree don’t vote. Thanks in part to this silent election boycott, Trump got votes from approximately just a fifth of the 136 million white American adults who lack the higher ed diploma.

The image of poor and working-class whites flocking to Trump is a media myth. Like fascist and other right-nationalist political movements of the past, Trump has drawn his main support from the more reactionary segments of the middle class and petite bourgeoisie. ...

...Slate writers Konstantin Kilibarda and Daria Roithmayr got it right three weeks after the election. “Donald Trump didn’t flip working-class white voters,” they wrote. “Hillary Clinton lost them. … Relative to the 2012 election, Democratic support in the key Rust Belt states [Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin] collapsed as a huge number of Democrats stayed home or (to a lesser extent) voted for a third party.” The decline of working-class Democratic voters between 2012 and 2016 was much bigger than the rise of working-class Republican voters in the “Rust Belt Five.” Among those earning less than $50,000 a year there, the decline in Democratic voting was 3.5 times greater than the rise in Republican voting. Among white voters in general, the decline in Democratic voting was 2.1 times greater than the growth in Republican voting.

The most relevant factor behind Trump’s success in winning over the majority of “white working-class” voters was the decision by so many in the working class not to vote at all, given the neoliberal nothingness of the onetime purported “party of the people.” This is the truth behind Bernie Sanders’ recent statement to the People’s Summit in Chicago: “Trump didn’t win the election. The Democratic Party lost the election.” ...

...The corporate and professional class elitists atop the onetime “party of the people” have been betraying the proletariat and eschewing populist and working-class rhetoric for decades. The Hillary Clinton campaign was specifically crafted around a highly identity-politicized neoliberal politics of “hate and castrate”—a politics that wrote off the working class as irredeemably racist, nativist and sexist. The strategy failed, dovetailing with Obama’s failure to address working- and lower-class needs to demobilize enough normally Democratic voters for even the noxious and unpopular Trump to prevail—with some help, to be sure, from racist voter suppression (a key factor that has been sadly forgotten in the discourse of liberals obsessed with unsupported charges of relevant Russian election interference), the openly absurd Electoral College, James Comey and some ill-timed increases in health insurance premiums under Obama’s not-so-Affordable Health Care Act.

Establishment Democrats find it useful to continue smearing the white working class as a bunch of despicably racist and sexist rubes and reactionaries. This absolves them, they think, from their ongoing refusal to properly address the needs of the nation’s economically embattled working-class majority. It’s a remarkable failure in a nation where the top 10th of the upper 1 percent possesses as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, where half the population is poor or near poor and lacks any assets while an ever more opulent minority lives in obscene hyperopulence and globalist indifference to ordinary Americans.

“Hey, don’t blame us,” elite Dems suggest, “blame those stupid and vicious right-wing white proles out there. Hillary shouldn’t have called them ‘deplorables,’ but they’re pretty, well, deplorable.”

There’s an obvious parallel here with the “blame Russia” narrative. The irony is that if the Democrats had run Sanders or a Sanders-like campaign, they would have mobilized enough white and nonwhite working- and lower-class votes to prevail. ...

This also makes one think about the huge numbers of Americans now routinely either denied their voting rights even when in conformance to rules often making the process more restricted and limiting registration periods or who did simply not have their votes count due to various stratagems, as well as those refusing to vote for routinely bad/corrupt candidates - or too over-worked, discouraged and/or exhausted to make it to the polls.

And since low turn-outs are good for Republicans - including Hillary Clinton by any other label - no official worries.

http://www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101

Voter Turnout

Robust voter turnout is fundamental to a healthy democracy. As low turnout is usually attributed to political disengagement and the belief that voting for one candidate/party or another will do little to alter public policy, "established" democracies tend have higher turnout than other countries. However, voter turnout in the U.S. is much lower than most established democracies. In this section we present research on voter turnout in the United States and the steps we might take to increase voter turnout. FairVote's most recent report examines voter turnout in the 2016 presidential primaries. ...

Maybe if Americans had something to vote for? And could be certain that their votes would be counted? And correctly counted? And adequate polling facilities were available? And there was no other voter suppression?

Maybe if they actually had an established democracy, their turn-out would match that of those?

Didn't Yankee Doodle have a pony?

So why can't Americans even have independently monitored elections on tamper-proof and verifiable systems and verified results with full counts, (including any provisional ballots,) and investigations of anomalies, with immediate recounts where doubt exists?

The political corruption within the Two-Corporate-Party Trade-Off scam is so thick that one wonders if anything else still remains...

Edit to add: gee, I wonder why Homeland Security took over all electoral infrastructure to prevent 'Russian hacking' without ordering, in the name of National Security, changing from hackable voting systems where still used and where checking for verification of results may be verboten due to the use of privately owned and voting machines being used by the privately owned political parties supplying the generally privately corporate/millionaire/billionaire-rented-out candidates which the American public is permitted to vote for?

That and why no enforcing of cheat-proof procedures in every case carefully overseen, with everything to be transparent to the American public?

The country and government in each case belong as a commons to the people who inhabit it, not to whoever happens to be transiently holding public office.

Elected/appointed public officials are not 'rulers' but public servants and when clearly incapable of doing their jobs and instead abusing the powers the people delegate to their office to be used for the public good must be subject to law no-one can be 'above', whatever may be claimed.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the establishment of corrupt and destructive tyrants was never presented as 'the American dream'.

When ruthless corporate interests are permitted to gain power over the people, disaster is certain.

(This starts slow for the first few minutes; becomes very interesting.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLis-TVB2w

Who Was Really Behind the 9/11 Attacks?
corbettreport

This includes facts surrounding the cold-blooded murder of thousands NY citizens and 9/11 rescue and other workers by the lie which the EPA was forced to tell under the Bush Admin that the heavily poisoned air was safe to breathe - because Wall St had to continue with 'business as usual' even at the direct cost of massive suffering and death of even more American citizens.

Typical of polluting industry under complicit governments; more so under governments formed of polluting industry reps, as was the Bush Admin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKoEHt8HbQ8

The real Suspects of 9/11 (Corbett report video series reupload)

The gloves came off after 9/11, with corporations at last directly filling government.

Now, with Trump, the billionaires are moving in.

Now, they're after the rest of the countries on that 'kill' list, including Russia, Pakistan, China, Iran, with India and others further down, using faked 'Words of Mass Destruction' as the excuse for attacking Russia and right out loud in public lying in the face of expert-argued fact that Iran is supposedly not nuclear-compliant, just like a group of crazed police officers shrieking "Do not resist as they beat an unresisting and handcuffed victim lying on his/her stomach on the ground, right in front of a filming crowd nonetheless unable to stop them. This is not a good direction...

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@Ellen North I got so confused by the 40 breakdown on who
voted for who. My point being is the minority of
the minority is trump's base. He may have gotten
60mil votes, but that reflects less than 1/3 of
all eligible voters.

and you state it quite right

Maybe if Americans had something to vote for? And could be certain that their votes would be counted? And correctly counted? And adequate polling facilities were available? And there was no other voter suppression?

Maybe if they actually had an established democracy, their turn-out would match that of those?

Didn't Yankee Doodle have a pony?

as I recall R state after R state suppressed D voter rolls
especially the AA vote and the DNC, clinton, zero did nothing
to stop it. My thinking is they didn't give 2 shits as they
believed they had it in the bag. The best and brightest are
pretty much the dumb and dumbest.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@ggersh

The Repubs have been doing this forever - yet such Constitutional guarantees of every American's rights in every State of the Union which public servants must swear to uphold in order to qualify for office have never been filled. They are therefore disqualifying themselves from retaining any such position, having betrayed their Oaths of Office.

I know there are 'legal' excuses used, but the basis of legitimate law is supposed to be enshrined in that sucker on the basis of government of, by and for the people, with equal rights, treatment and opportunity guaranteed throughout all states. The intention of the more enlightened American Founders is clear and they fought against the unenlightened ones to have such as the Bill of Rights included for a reason.

Idiots like Trump're babbling nonsense about genuflecting to the US flag - why aren't we asking why they can't respect their Constitution and the Oath of Office they swore to uphold these rights for all of the American people?

That also might trigger something even in those more brainwashed by the corporate media. I can hope, right? Please?

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@Ellen North that hope is useless, zero took hope
and threw it into the neoliberal trash can.

If hope is the likely coming upheaval leading
to a new government, than hope there be.

But we must remember as the dubya once said the
constitution is only a piece of paper and that
is where we are at today, the rule of law is only
applied to us commoners, for the elites and company
not at all.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

@ggersh

The dubya was a cheated-in psychopathic liar with no respect for law or reality.

I wouldn't believe a word he said, never mind fall in with his bizarre non-reality-based world-view. Especially since the Constitution forms the basis of US law, and the enumerated rights of the American people supersede all other US law, no matter how 'expedient' it may be in stripping those rights in the public perception.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Oh you and your Pollyanna views of the world.

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"Bi-polar? I'm Bi-winning!!!" -- Charlie Sheen

@Dumbo

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who knew the game was so easy?
nice job.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@LaFeminista @LaFeminista a zetz in kop might've worked wonders, still
might.

"zetz in kop" it's Yiddish for smack to the head.

EDIT: can't ever get the text smileys to work...sigh

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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I see the crazies in Alabama just elected former(once suspended and once removed from the bench)judge Roy Moore to fill their empty senate seat.

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I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.

@Socialprogressive

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I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.

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@Socialprogressive

not tampered with? That state has a habit of "finding" "lost" votes in large enough blocks to make sure that they get the result they want.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@Socialprogressive

The crazy never ends.

I see the crazies in Alabama just elected former(once suspended and once removed from the bench) judge Roy Moore to fill their empty senate seat.

My reaction comes courtesy of the Grateful Dead:

[video:https://youtu.be/CNtnJrowvZo]

[video:https://youtu.be/6iZ49s7eH5g]

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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@thanatokephaloides I thought of this song:

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Considering the comprehensive way Repub politicians cheat, I'm kinda wondering if the Repub voters are actually getting what they vote for, either...

Edit: should have known that TheOtherMaven would have said that better just downthread from where I was at the time, lol.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

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my eyes, my eyes from the flag pic! World get more cray cray everyday don't it?

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

@WIProgressive

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

caricature of the USA. It's an exaggeration and amplification of the nation's most primitive and parochial instincts. It is also disturbingly accurate and perceptive. American liberals would prefer to think of "their" nation as an essentially kind, well-meaning, and compassionate collective. In fact it has never been that. Rather it has been and still is, an amalgam of idealism, generosity, hypocrisy, avarice, religion, and violence. An uneasy and quarrelsome mix right from the start, and one that tends to be "united" only in times of actual war.

The divisions are deeply rooted and longstanding. Attempts by Obama and the Clintons to paper them over with pseudo-liberal rhetoric and ineffectual "reforms" have apparently failed, and produced a backlash of surprising force. The corporate-financed neoliberals controlling the Democratic Party are unwilling to mount an effective counter-offensive, preferring instead to "stay the course", in hopes that enough people will finally "come to their senses" to rescue them. Whether or not they are worth rescuing is an open question.

Which of course begs the next question: What's the alternative? The American public is in effect, being held hostage by two political Parties, neither of which inspires a great of confidence in anyone. There's trouble brewing everywhere, and the future looks dark and uncertain. This is fertile ground for a demagogue like Trump.

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@native surprised by the sheer numbers, we had a few crazies who were pretty harmless all things considered.

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@LaFeminista
who voted for Trump, unless we consider 63 million Americans to be crazy. Which maybe they are, but that's an awful lot of them. I don't think Vermont is much like most of America, unfortunately.

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@native

I don't think Vermont is much like most of America, fortunately.

Fixed it. Wink

(We have our issues, but most days I'm still grateful to live here).

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@WaterLily

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@WaterLily
I meant that America would benefit from being more like Vermont.

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@native My reading comprehension was off. Smile

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Well, he wasn't Clinton... even assuming that claimed voting results are accurate.

There was a great blog by a statistician somebody here used to post quotes from. Can't recall the name to find it again, but some time back, shortly after the election, did come upon one blog post of his showing that both Trump and Clinton's campaigns/supporters had cheated but that they'd cancelled each other out.

And as disastrous as Trump is, I still believe that the Clintons would have been worse because there would have been malice in the abuses, rather than the more direct and irrational greed they both share.

Also, Bill would have been in charge of the economy and there would have been double the troubles, with 90% more chance of early nukes. An immediate no-fly zone over Syria and Russian planes shot down pretty much off the hop, I suspect.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Ellen North
at every opportunity, but his base might not be listening. It might stay loyal to him anyway. Or not... It's hard to gauge at this point. But there's no strong Dem leadership that I can see. HRC is flopping around like a fish out of water, trying to replay her lost election. Big mistake by an incorrigible egomaniac.

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@native

The American public is in effect, being held hostage by two political Parties,

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