"Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."--Japanese Proverb
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
That's what I get from the title you posted. If he's regretting his edict, it must be hurting his site. Nothing he has to say changes that he sold out to the wrong wing of the Democratic party. Nothing changes that March 15 is not arbitrary and favors the candidate he wants to prevail. I'm not going to support his cash cow by visiting there anymore.
I read the article - went over there to rec Bernie diaries - and it is anything but conciliatory. Yes, he wrist-slapped a particularly obnoxious poster, but the rest was the S.O.S. Just repeated with what he claims he hopes are clearer instructions. Yes, of course you can criticize HRC if you do it in a positive, well-meaning manner! No "maliciousness" (his word). The only good thing I saw in the pile he laid is his admonition to people to not gloat, but even that was predicated on the, in his mind, fact that HRC will be the winner. In the comments was an especially blind/deaf one to the effect that, yes, it's all perfectly clear now! So we can give HRC good advice on how to push back against the "lies" of the email investigation, written with no hint of irony. This person gave not one thought to the possibility that any of it, not one tiny speck, could be true. The RNC did themselves no good whatsoever in their Benghazi Witch Hunt as it simply reinforced their own voter's beliefs, and actually ossified in the minds of HRC supporters that any and everything critical of her is also a witch hunt. I love the freedom to say that from now on the HRC Kos folks can sit around and jerk each other off, happy in their orgasmic, circular glow!
But when you read the fine print at Daily Kos, you realize that it is a Buy One Get One Free Speech, limited time offer and certain conditions apply.
So, as Hillary Clinton points out, Nothing is free.
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We'll see what happens. I'm not holding my breath. The HRC supporters have been so brutal, I don't want to interact with them in any way in the future. Who talks to other people like that? Not doing it. Nosiree!
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Been reading and only commented a couple of times in the last week or two. And the amount of nasty has ratcheted up to unimaginable levels. Some things have been said that cannot be unsaid.
she made herself a PITA to the helpdesk and elfling ran out of patience with her.
It wasn't for anything she should have been bojoed for, like being an obsessive-compulsive Poison Pen diarist. (Her last few Poison Pen diaries are still up.)
You haven't read it, have you? I don't blame you, but don't misunderstand what he wrote. It was anything but an olive branch. It was far more of the same subjective, dictatorial bullshit. He promises to write more to "explain" better his "meaning". Honest to goodness, excepting the one wrist-slap, there was no conciliation just more of the same.
aside from the fact he told trix 'to cut it out' it was more of the same. This is where I quit reading.
There is ambiguity between what is legitimate criticism of Clinton from the left, and what is a right-wing or destructive malicious attack. I get that. Language can be imprecise, and perspective matters. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist. So here’s one way to think about it: intent.
If your goal is to make Clinton a better candidate and president, that’s allowed. Constructive criticism falls under that rubric. If your goal is to sabotage Clinton, then that won’t be allowed.
Again, what is what can be in the eye of the beholder, but that’s how moderators will evaluate these matters. If your goal is to make Clinton better, then great! If your goal is to destroy her, then boo hiss.
Intent my ass. I have no intent to make Hillary better that's ridiculous. She is what she is and no amount of 'constructive' criticism is going to move Hillary the Hun to the left. For me a political party is a means to an end and I do not intend to support or help these Third Way'ers make the end to be another Clinton administration. This is not democratic voting it's extorting your vote out of fear of Trump or Cruz or any RW lunatic they run and then the Vichy Dems. use as cudgel to get you to STFU and vote. How many cliffs of mass deception threats, using fear, do these authoritarian Dem. gangsters think ordinary people will fall for. The whole thing reeks of a fix by both parties. How can anyone with a brain in their head that hasn't been washed be duped by this set up over and over again. Why the 15th of March? Guess a little birdie told kos that he needed to pull the plug and stop the democratic insurrection that would damage the inevitable one's coronation. Can't have the little people getting all riled up about having to vote for the mad bomber queen. I'll still vote but not for her or any Dem. Weasel candidate. I'm most likely going to write in Bernie. Down ticket the socialists and the few good Democratic candidates. I'll work on a local level to primary the bent Dem. pols I worked hard to get elected. They all need to go. This is not what democracy looks like.
at the traitorous democratic insurgency that just won't roll over and crown her highness. Were allowed to build her up with constructive criticism and are free to sing Bernies praises as long as they are toothless and do not sully her 54% unfavorable reputation. Unity and rally around her majesty or else we're going to get a lunatic in the WH. It's just all grovey if the RW lunatic we end up with is Hillary because at least we won't get a vagina probe along with our austerity and bloody endless war? So don't shit on Hillary or point out that she is just another naked oligarchical empress under her golden pants suits. I never should have clicked on the freaking link. He's got me foaming sorry
from a long hibernating-winter sleep. Trix has been an asshole for months now, along with other FPers like BBB, and to now pretend to wake-up and notice these offenses, doesn't give me any confidence. As they say, we shall see.
Armando and LL both got put down for a while over being assferrets on a few of my posts. Still, if you read it closely, you can almost see the winks going on in between the words.
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However, the real separation, not just at his site, has taken place over the last several years is within the Democratic party. The establishment members have been trying to wring the left-wingers out of the party or marginalize their opinions/efforts. Kos has chosen his side in this fight, and he's going with the establishment. It makes sense, because he never really seemed to care about any particular issues, but rather posts a lot about the inside gaming for elections, like Carville and Begala.
I spent a lot of time on Dkos in the last 6-7 years. Wasn't a huge contributor, but I wasn't exactly invisible, either.
I'm done with it. Period. That was an easy decision after he issued his dictate. I'm particular in the company I keep. No more DK for me, just like I'll be done with the Democratic party if it passes on the first real progressive we've seen in a generation. If Bernie isn't good enough for Democrats, Democrats aren't good enough for me.
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I cannot agree that Kos's diary was "reasonable". You do not seem to have strong feelings about either candidate, so perhaps it is easier for you to not be bothered by Kos's dictates. I also argue that though "As for Clinton, it was said in 2007-2008", that was eight years ago and there are millions of new voters for whom this information is relevatory. Add to that her years as Sec. of State which occurred after 2007-2008 and that just doesn't work for me. There is also an FBI investigation on-going. Nope, my rebellious heart does not take well to schooling from a clear partisan such as Markos. There are plenty of other places where I can express myself and my opinions without someone shaking their authoritarian finger at me.
Hellraisers Journal is already gone from there. Why post HJ over there when Mother Jones, Debs, Joe Hill, Big Bill Haywood, etc etc etc would be immediately banned from there were any of them to show up nowadays.
So glad that Hellraisers and We Never Forget have both found a new home here at C99.
I only go over there now to rec Bernie diaries, no more commenting, no more diaries.
Not even going thru withdrawal, it actually feels more like freedom than withdrawal.
Kos can go fuck himself. He has the character of 12-year-old schoolyard bully.
I had to put up with macho assholes like that for seven long years when I was a 49er, but back then it was so I could provide for my kids. And at least those guys were my union brothers, and I was their sister who could give them a piece of mind whenever I felt the urge.
There is absolutely no reason to put up with the bullshit that comes down from Big Boss Kos.
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actively enabled by long-time and "respected" users and thus far without the slightest pushback from management, kills any slight regret I might have over leaving: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60166165
I've devoted a lot of effort there and I bought the whole "stayed for the community" mantra. Now it all just makes me feel soiled.
I have no idea what constitutes "constructive criticism" v. "maliciously shiiting" on HRC, or in Kos' words the presumptive nominee. It's just CYA on his part.
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will not log in anymore, will not comment. I feel like writing him an email but will not, what would be the point? I hope he loses lots of traffic. They can get on that high horse of the lesser of two evils all they want. And personally, part of me will always be just a tad suspicious about that rumor of Billy Bob getting the T Rump to run. Something about that doesn't seem that unlikely to me anymore.... What better way to really get people out for that "lesser of", eh? I know, CT, but still.
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Oh and this idea of "constructive" criticism of Clinton! Can anyone imagine it? Constructive criticism, as you may have gathered already, has to pertain to what exactly is being constructed. So what would constructive criticism of Clinton look like? "Secretary Clinton, I can't really think of much to suggest that you're not already doing. Be sure not to lie too much when you might get caught by too many people. Censor Sanders some more -- make sure the word about him doesn't get out. Pay the other members of your syndicate well." Or something like that.
I mean, how else could you chastise her for not running an effective enough syndicate? I suppose you could say "Geez Hillary could you actually put some teeth in your articulate and well-worded proposals maybe?" -- but to do so would be to suggest a purpose for the Clinton campaign that doesn't pan out in reality. The point of the Clinton campaign is to get more power for Hillary Clinton, period. To criticize that point "constructively" means to suggest more effective ways by which it could be done.
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"I will use a Houle Hoop on both sides of the pie fight. Here's an asshole on my side -- see, he's under the bus. Happy. I'll be fair as we work and stand together to Make Hillary Great Again."
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He knows now that he has lost some of his best FREE writers. And he has lost the Progressive Passion that used to drive his site. And he is regretting his actions but trying hard not to apologise while trying to save his ass.
Or, since I just signed up today, I'll take a swing at it. Because Kos is finally getting what he wants: an echo chamber for the DNC with little dissent.
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on himself. I don't think he realized how transparent that post was to a lot of us. I've been mostly a lurker since 2004 but for the past couple of years I've watched him make moves like this and have spent less and less time there.
I almost feel like sending him a thank you note for setting me free because in the last two days I've found four progressive sites I knew nothing about (including this one, I'm ashamed to admit) and it lit a fire under me to find places where I fit in better so...all good for me.
I hadn't really thought about it, but it might be helpful to either set up a list of sites others here at c99 are visiting, or just have a community thread dedicated to it. I only found the ones above because someone else mentioned them...
One that this site will have to deal with soon enough.
Personally I am enjoying being out from under the forced support of the Democratic party. I recognise it as being what should represent my views, but it hasn't. I have lived here for 30 years and never became a citizen. I have yet to find a place I feel I fit, and when they ask me to forswear my allegiance to my native New Zealand I just laugh. The US is so far behind in worthiness they really have it coming. But I love the people, I love the climate, and who needs to vote when you can persuade others to do it for you? I accept that the US is just a little sick, these days. And I must say I have really enjoyed reading this site - I even popped a small bit of coin in the pot.
But back to my point - it will not be long before there are squabbles here. And sorting them is a royal pain.
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He says he has always instituted such rules after contested primaries in the past. After. March 15th is not "after", it's during.
I was bullied there by Clintonistas in 2007-2008. I really don't need to go through that again. I'm finished with toeing the line of this party; time to move the line.
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As an independent it was always clear that I hadn't drunk enough of the blue colored kool-aid to really be on DKOS. His March 15th edict was just the impetus I needed to find a site like this one. Here, I feel like I can discuss progressive issues, rather than partisan Democratic ones. Here, I feel like I could get into questions about voting strategy in an HRC vs. Trump election and get actually thoughtful feedback. Here, I'm just less of an outsider all in all.... as evidenced by the fact that I posted my first significant diary and I didn't have any qualms about getting beaten down for insufficient loyalty.
I hope to contribute more to this site than just comments.
I will say this though. Even I have to admit that posting negative information about Hillary serves no useful purpose after she has won (or effectively won) the nomination. Whether it's true or not makes no difference because at that point, it is what it is. On a partisan site like DKOS it's only possible purpose runs counter to the mission... driving voters away from the Democratic party. Of course, on a site like this one, that's not a forbidden thought or outcome.
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relating to 'policy,' personally. 'Cause it's pretty much impossible to discuss the reform of social safety net programs, and not bring up any negatives, considering all the detrimental cuts/reforms that have taken place over the past 7 plus years.
(Having said that, I'm not at all meaning to infer that folks should refrain from disagreement/discussion. Just so that's clear.)
But, there are a few of us here who are very interested in policy and legislation. Now, I agree that there's really no place, or necessity for vitriolic language in this type of discussion--if that's what you're referring to.
Mostly, I try to cover 'entitlement' reform, and federal civilian and military pensions/healthcare in an objective and even-handed manner. So, I very much hope that factual presentation won't upset anyone. But, I have to admit--I don't spare any political figure or Party (as they say).
Seriously, IMHO, part of what the Progressive Blogging Community needs in accurate and timely information--not more DNC/DLC/Third Way propaganda and talking points.
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"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Daily Kos? Or is this Caucus99? Is this a place where everyone shall breathlessly follow the windings and remindings of the ex? Or is this a place where people are prepared to go on?
Jeebus krispies. How much I would like it, if this were a universe, where there had never been, a Daily Kos, at all.
Is this the place? Or, only the place, restless, unsettled, staging area, until the bad boyfriend, he deigns to invite s/he, back "home," again?
the less we say about it the better
make it up as we go along
feet on the ground, head in the sky
it's okay, i know nothing's wrong
i got plenty of time
you got light in your eyes
we drift in and out
sing into my mouth
Good point. I think for me, this is the "watch chick flicks and eat ice cream" portion of the breakup. But I'm already 3 days in (or is it four now?) and I'm about ready to put the ice cream away.
Except for BNR, the GOS isn't even on my radar anymore except when someone else brings it to my attention, but I think it would be a good idea for all of us to be vigilant about how much we energy we invest in what was (there) as opposed to what is (here).
to look at the thing. I do that, now and again, and I'm years and years out. But to post a one-liner link to the abusive boyfriend, and then have everybody pour in to screech about what a bastard the boyfriend is . . . I mean . . . jeebus. Is this place, now, like, going to be a group? With, like, the cards, that you get stamped or signed, when you leave the meeting?
Some people move past quickly. Some people have to work their way through, slowly.
Just because you are a fast-mover, don't diss the work-it-throughers.
Emotional abuse and gaslighting take a while to work through. The last thing those folks need to hear is 'what's wrong with you? Are you STILL stuck?'
If you are impatient for action, try the Kossacks for Sanders Reddit; from there you can hopscotch till you find the right place for your need for action.
Many here now just need a place where they can talk freely without getting beaten. Many of us need to regain our power of speech, our ability to write freely without self-censoring our thoughts. To us, that IS 'doing something', and that something has to be done, that work finished, before we can 'take action' (or at least while we find avenues for action).
For those of us who relied on the GOS as an oasis of like-minded spirits in a wasteland of political apathy and corruption, and the complicity of the media in governance by fear, not to mention the scorn of family members, this pivot to Clinton really stings.
DK was my political home for 10 years. I don't have any reason to go back now, but it still hurts.
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Some of us even have an emotional connection. What happens at dk is of interest and will continue to be of interest to us. It is nice to be able to look at it the sunlight and openly discuss the strangely dependent relationship we have with the place.
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in ways that I'm not sure can be repaired - I'm talking about the smearing and/or diversionary bs that a supposedly liberal website and its members indulged in. It seemed almost like the site became was a focus group for DNC/HRC memes. It became the place that introduced me first to all the greatest hits:
1. Hillary is the most qualified candidate in the history of the world by virtue of her resume, just forget about all the actual policy stances she has had in that resume, okay?
2. It's time for a woman President
3. Bernie is just an old white guy who can only relate to others of the pale persuasion and he will never ever ever breakthrough in the primary because Bill and Hillary have a lock on the votes of the monolithic bloc of POC.
4. Because of #2 and #3 all of Bernie's supporters are sublimated racists/segregationists/sexists/misogynists by default
5. Bernie's social justice history has no real value and is mostly enhanced, oversold misty water-colored memories of a would be radical - basically denigrating the man's entire personal history as a liberal iconoclast.
6. The most ridiculous diary I have ever read, that I couldn't bring myself to comment on at DK - Kos' Miss Manner's Updated Rules For Radicals and Revolutionaries which posited that Liberal Revolution can only "start with people of color", because according to him - "Bottom line, no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed when 40 percent of Democrats are people of color. And people of color will be reluctant to join a movement led by little-known whites. History has made us justifiably suspicious of the Great White Savior." What do you do with that kind of sophistry? Revolutions arise organically when and where circumstances dictate and the idea that would-be leaders of social justice movements have to fulfill a demographic requirement for entry is ludicrous and insulting to people of all races and ethnicities.
7. The email affair is a nothingburger. No reason to care that our candidate subverted on purpose legitimate Congressional oversight and legal FOIA requests by having a covert server and ignoring specific requests for her emails. They were only revealed because of a foreign hacker and because she was SUED in federal court for compliance. Who give's a rat's ass about transparency and accountability of our government officials? If HRC did it, it's okay.
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I'm really sad because I really liked Daily Kos. It was a great place to read, write, discuss and inform and be informed before the primary. I just can't take any place seriously that is willing to sacrifice an entire Party and its history and its ethical foundation simply to satisfy the political ambitions of one person.
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"I'm really sad because I really liked Daily Kos. It was a great place to read, write, discuss and inform and be informed before the primary. I just can't take any place seriously that is willing to sacrifice an entire Party and its history and its ethical foundation simply to satisfy the political ambitions of one person."
This. Exactly.
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8. Citizens United was the horribilest, awfullest Supreme Court decision in the history of the world, until it wasn't. HRC takes mega-donations from scumbags? SO? Everyone Does It!! But she does it with purity and grace. If HRC did it, it's okay.
Thanks for mentioning #6. That one left me gobsmacked as well. Guess the 63% of Americans who are non-Hispanic whites should just shut up and let democracy rule.
Don't misread me: I'm all for a more inclusive society in every respect. I'm a white guy who supported Jesse Jackson in the '80s, and who wept when President Obama was elected because (for some reason) I thought we were finally getting a progressive president. (And I'm not anit-Obama, either; I just think he was a good president when he could have been a great one.) Point is, the "right" candidate can be any color, and it was ludicrous on its face for Kos to dismiss Bernie because he was white. Especially considering the alternative.
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If he really gave a crap about Trix (or by extension other front page trolls) he would have acted much sooner. Also AFAIK front pagers have never trolled the community part of the site prior to this election season so the fact that half a dozen or so are now doing so would seem to indicate that orders have been given or at least permission has been granted by Markos.
The tone may have changed but the message hasn't - he hasn't moved on the 15th March deadline and that is the critical part.
He may have possibly learned that pissing off the unpaid labor is not a good idea.
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There's never been another race where we had a real progressive candidate, and the so called largest liberal blog joined with DWS to back the conservative, Wall Street owned elitist instead. To add insult to injury, Kos put his thumbs on the scale along with DWS. Although we knew Kos had sold out, flagrantly cheating to win made the place even worse than it was.
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this election is of particular importance to the young people because it is their future and that does not look good. Other politicians and commentators think that all they want is free stuff, but what they really want is a future.
So when establishment politicians and their minions (including the media in particular) put their boot on the scale, they have basically told the youth of this country and the people of all countries that they are expendable. I think my short experience with my local small Occupy group really affected me in this regard. The millennials are very worried about climate change. In our Occupy, it was their number one issue. Now some wealthy little asshole like Markos basically says that the game is more important than their future and the future of his own children.
For me, this is why Markos latest example of assholery has pissed me off so much.
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I will share here what I just posted a while ago on this topic over at the Reddit site (slightly edited).
This post from Kos doesn't change my mind, in fact it irritates me that he's so full of bullshit and so many people lap it up. Two big lies in that post. One, the claims that he "made it explicit" in his previous post that support for Sanders will still allowed after March 15, and people who suggest otherwise are "willfully misrepresenting" what he wrote. Maybe he doesn't know what the word "explicit" means, but nowhere in that previous post does it say continued support for Sanders will be allowed. If it did, he could link to it to prove his point. He can't do that because he did not make that explicit in the least. In fact, he said otherwise in about 16 different ways. Here's just a few choice quotes:
"It's over. Move on."
"March 15 this site officially transitions to General Election footing. That means, we will focus our attention not just on Donald Trump or his rivals, but also on the Senate, the House, and state-level races."
"But it does us no good to keep fighting over something that is already determined. People have voted, and the numbers are the numbers. It’s time to move on..."
Now they sit around saying that anyone who doesn't see how this clearly means the primary will go on and people can keep advocating for Sanders just have reading comprehension problems or are "willfully misrepresenting" his words. What a crock!
The other big lie is the he did this before in 2008. Again, if that were true, it would be easy enough to link to any previous post where he did anything similar. He can't, because the fact is, he didn't do this before.
And finally the absurd idea that anyone on Daily Kos can "make Hillary better" and now moderation comes down to divining people's "intent" behind any criticisms, and only those with that goal are allowed. Completely ridiculous.
If anything, this makes me even less interested in continuing on Daily Kos.
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Whoah! Talk about a 'walk back!' Maybe it 'really is'
Kos who signed up the other day, LOL!
(Just Kidding)
Hey, thanks for the link, Martha.
(Music City) Mollie at DKos
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Is he trying to patch the dam he exploded?
That's what I get from the title you posted. If he's regretting his edict, it must be hurting his site. Nothing he has to say changes that he sold out to the wrong wing of the Democratic party. Nothing changes that March 15 is not arbitrary and favors the candidate he wants to prevail. I'm not going to support his cash cow by visiting there anymore.
Is he trying to patch the dam he exploded?
I read the article - went over there to rec Bernie diaries - and it is anything but conciliatory. Yes, he wrist-slapped a particularly obnoxious poster, but the rest was the S.O.S. Just repeated with what he claims he hopes are clearer instructions. Yes, of course you can criticize HRC if you do it in a positive, well-meaning manner! No "maliciousness" (his word). The only good thing I saw in the pile he laid is his admonition to people to not gloat, but even that was predicated on the, in his mind, fact that HRC will be the winner. In the comments was an especially blind/deaf one to the effect that, yes, it's all perfectly clear now! So we can give HRC good advice on how to push back against the "lies" of the email investigation, written with no hint of irony. This person gave not one thought to the possibility that any of it, not one tiny speck, could be true. The RNC did themselves no good whatsoever in their Benghazi Witch Hunt as it simply reinforced their own voter's beliefs, and actually ossified in the minds of HRC supporters that any and everything critical of her is also a witch hunt. I love the freedom to say that from now on the HRC Kos folks can sit around and jerk each other off, happy in their orgasmic, circular glow!
It's still a Houle Hoop. nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Nobody's buying his bullshit.
The "New Rules on Free Speech" are very simple, I can't understand why you are making such a fuss?
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Don't get me wrong,
not making a fuss, just passing on info as I find it. I have not been pleased with his performance for a couple of years now...
And it was kinda nice to see Trix get taken down a peg or two.. I detest that poster.
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Forgot my snark tag. People over here are so great, I don't use it as much as I had to over there.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
you, me and a shit ton of
you, me and a shit ton of others.
Don't believe everything you think.
Free speech.
But when you read the fine print at Daily Kos, you realize that it is a Buy One Get One Free Speech, limited time offer and certain conditions apply.
So, as Hillary Clinton points out, Nothing is free.
Another Refugee from the Great Orange Purity Troll
Thanks, Martha.
I asked about it in the Go Michigan! diary.
We'll see what happens. I'm not holding my breath. The HRC supporters have been so brutal, I don't want to interact with them in any way in the future. Who talks to other people like that? Not doing it. Nosiree!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I hear you...
Been reading and only commented a couple of times in the last week or two. And the amount of nasty has ratcheted up to unimaginable levels. Some things have been said that cannot be unsaid.
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First Nations News
I left this comment for you in your MI diary...
http://caucus99percent.com/comment/29636#comment-29636
As I said, the implementation of his heavy and unbiased (ha) hammer will be implemented with all of the finesse of a bull in a china shop.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
This calls for a celebration.
Phoenix Woman got bojo'd.
I think Kos was surprised at the number of people who left, and he is doing a mini walk back. Doesn't change what the place is.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
She only got bojoed because
she made herself a PITA to the helpdesk and elfling ran out of patience with her.
It wasn't for anything she should have been bojoed for, like being an obsessive-compulsive Poison Pen diarist. (Her last few Poison Pen diaries are still up.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Too little, too late, Kos
You broke it, you own it. And saying "I'm sorry" and waving an olive branch isn't going to lure back those members who have walked away.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I will thank him for inspiring me...
To get off my ass and write an essay a day for THIS site.
Thanks Kos! I'll take a small open audience over your stadium of hecklers any day.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Too little too late, Kos
You haven't read it, have you? I don't blame you, but don't misunderstand what he wrote. It was anything but an olive branch. It was far more of the same subjective, dictatorial bullshit. He promises to write more to "explain" better his "meaning". Honest to goodness, excepting the one wrist-slap, there was no conciliation just more of the same.
I read it
aside from the fact he told trix 'to cut it out' it was more of the same. This is where I quit reading.
Intent my ass. I have no intent to make Hillary better that's ridiculous. She is what she is and no amount of 'constructive' criticism is going to move Hillary the Hun to the left. For me a political party is a means to an end and I do not intend to support or help these Third Way'ers make the end to be another Clinton administration. This is not democratic voting it's extorting your vote out of fear of Trump or Cruz or any RW lunatic they run and then the Vichy Dems. use as cudgel to get you to STFU and vote. How many cliffs of mass deception threats, using fear, do these authoritarian Dem. gangsters think ordinary people will fall for. The whole thing reeks of a fix by both parties. How can anyone with a brain in their head that hasn't been washed be duped by this set up over and over again. Why the 15th of March? Guess a little birdie told kos that he needed to pull the plug and stop the democratic insurrection that would damage the inevitable one's coronation. Can't have the little people getting all riled up about having to vote for the mad bomber queen. I'll still vote but not for her or any Dem. Weasel candidate. I'm most likely going to write in Bernie. Down ticket the socialists and the few good Democratic candidates. I'll work on a local level to primary the bent Dem. pols I worked hard to get elected. They all need to go. This is not what democracy looks like.
we can help her be a better warmongering oligarch whore
she's already pretty good at that but if we criticize her constructively we can make her even better!
A write in for Bernie
Will happen if he is not the nominee, from me. It is my bannable sin. I do not believe one word of the soft sell.
More like waving a whipping switch
at the traitorous democratic insurgency that just won't roll over and crown her highness. Were allowed to build her up with constructive criticism and are free to sing Bernies praises as long as they are toothless and do not sully her 54% unfavorable reputation. Unity and rally around her majesty or else we're going to get a lunatic in the WH. It's just all grovey if the RW lunatic we end up with is Hillary because at least we won't get a vagina probe along with our austerity and bloody endless war? So don't shit on Hillary or point out that she is just another naked oligarchical empress under her golden pants suits. I never should have clicked on the freaking link. He's got me foaming sorry
I so love it when you rant, shaharazade!
I so love it when you rant, shaharazade!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Shaz is the best!
You go girl!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
great rant, thx shah!
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
Bingo!
Before when he or his surrogates said STFU and GTFO, we all just took it and stayed there.
No more. This was a bridge too far. He broke his own website and he owns it.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
After all the lectures I endured on TONE over there...
Ah hell with it. Nice to say what I think with the filter off.
And because we can all use a laugh...
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
ooh wheee wha'd I miss?! lol
ooh wheee wha'd I miss?! lol
You didn't miss
a damn thing. Just a refining and redefining of the same bullying authoritarian anti-democratic mouth foaming he's been at for a while.
It's like Kos just woke...
from a long hibernating-winter sleep. Trix has been an asshole for months now, along with other FPers like BBB, and to now pretend to wake-up and notice these offenses, doesn't give me any confidence. As they say, we shall see.
Progressive to the bone.
He should be
KOS would be better served if he browbeat his coders.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
He's had to tone down a handful of FPers lately
Armando and LL both got put down for a while over being assferrets on a few of my posts. Still, if you read it closely, you can almost see the winks going on in between the words.
“I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'”- Bill Hicks
A reasonable post from Kos.
A reasonable post from Kos. I think there ARE Bernie supporters who do him more harm than good. As for Clinton, it was all said in 2007-2008.
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
If just taken in the context of Bernie v Hillary, I agree.
However, the real separation, not just at his site, has taken place over the last several years is within the Democratic party. The establishment members have been trying to wring the left-wingers out of the party or marginalize their opinions/efforts. Kos has chosen his side in this fight, and he's going with the establishment. It makes sense, because he never really seemed to care about any particular issues, but rather posts a lot about the inside gaming for elections, like Carville and Begala.
Exactly!
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
Yep, screw him
and the site he rode in on.
I spent a lot of time on Dkos in the last 6-7 years. Wasn't a huge contributor, but I wasn't exactly invisible, either.
I'm done with it. Period. That was an easy decision after he issued his dictate. I'm particular in the company I keep. No more DK for me, just like I'll be done with the Democratic party if it passes on the first real progressive we've seen in a generation. If Bernie isn't good enough for Democrats, Democrats aren't good enough for me.
"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"
I love your whole comment. It speaks for me.
I cannot agree that Kos's
I cannot agree that Kos's diary was "reasonable". You do not seem to have strong feelings about either candidate, so perhaps it is easier for you to not be bothered by Kos's dictates. I also argue that though "As for Clinton, it was said in 2007-2008", that was eight years ago and there are millions of new voters for whom this information is relevatory. Add to that her years as Sec. of State which occurred after 2007-2008 and that just doesn't work for me. There is also an FBI investigation on-going. Nope, my rebellious heart does not take well to schooling from a clear partisan such as Markos. There are plenty of other places where I can express myself and my opinions without someone shaking their authoritarian finger at me.
too little too late to my way of thinking
Hellraisers Journal is already gone from there. Why post HJ over there when Mother Jones, Debs, Joe Hill, Big Bill Haywood, etc etc etc would be immediately banned from there were any of them to show up nowadays.
So glad that Hellraisers and We Never Forget have both found a new home here at C99.
I only go over there now to rec Bernie diaries, no more commenting, no more diaries.
Not even going thru withdrawal, it actually feels more like freedom than withdrawal.
Kos can go fuck himself. He has the character of 12-year-old schoolyard bully.
I had to put up with macho assholes like that for seven long years when I was a 49er, but back then it was so I could provide for my kids. And at least those guys were my union brothers, and I was their sister who could give them a piece of mind whenever I felt the urge.
There is absolutely no reason to put up with the bullshit that comes down from Big Boss Kos.
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^ ty JayRaye!!
The fact that blatant anti-Semitism is now tolerated there,
actively enabled by long-time and "respected" users and thus far without the slightest pushback from management, kills any slight regret I might have over leaving: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60166165
I've devoted a lot of effort there and I bought the whole "stayed for the community" mantra. Now it all just makes me feel soiled.
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
OMG
VERY Blatant anti semitism because ...
That is one of the ugliest comments I have ever read there. She deserves to be banned for it, especially after doubling down.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
We all knew that was coming
We all knew they were going to go there. Any nasty thing they can possibly say, they will. It's what they do.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The troll who posted it is on timeout now--
just another sad martyr to vindictive Berniebots of course--but the "respected" users who supported her will skate as always.
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
Does no one know
where the word "ghetto" comes from?
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
This is useless
I have no idea what constitutes "constructive criticism" v. "maliciously shiiting" on HRC, or in Kos' words the presumptive nominee. It's just CYA on his part.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Constructive criticism seems to be
Any criticism that adds up to "Atta Girl, and don't forget to button up your coat if it's cold out there!"
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I will only scan it
will not log in anymore, will not comment. I feel like writing him an email but will not, what would be the point? I hope he loses lots of traffic. They can get on that high horse of the lesser of two evils all they want. And personally, part of me will always be just a tad suspicious about that rumor of Billy Bob getting the T Rump to run. Something about that doesn't seem that unlikely to me anymore.... What better way to really get people out for that "lesser of", eh? I know, CT, but still.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Did you catch my diary here Steven D?
I mean, how else could you chastise her for not running an effective enough syndicate? I suppose you could say "Geez Hillary could you actually put some teeth in your articulate and well-worded proposals maybe?" -- but to do so would be to suggest a purpose for the Clinton campaign that doesn't pan out in reality. The point of the Clinton campaign is to get more power for Hillary Clinton, period. To criticize that point "constructively" means to suggest more effective ways by which it could be done.
“The loyal Left cannot act decisively. Their devotion to the system is a built-in kill switch limiting dissent.” - Richard Moser
He might as well have just said,
"I will use a Houle Hoop on both sides of the pie fight. Here's an asshole on my side -- see, he's under the bus. Happy. I'll be fair as we work and stand together to Make Hillary Great Again."
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
I think he is seeing the writing on the wall....
He knows now that he has lost some of his best FREE writers. And he has lost the Progressive Passion that used to drive his site. And he is regretting his actions but trying hard not to apologise while trying to save his ass.
Does not appear to be working very well.
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You could probably write an entire diary based on this
Or, since I just signed up today, I'll take a swing at it. Because Kos is finally getting what he wants: an echo chamber for the DNC with little dissent.
“I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'”- Bill Hicks
He accidentally pulled back the curtain
on himself. I don't think he realized how transparent that post was to a lot of us. I've been mostly a lurker since 2004 but for the past couple of years I've watched him make moves like this and have spent less and less time there.
I almost feel like sending him a thank you note for setting me free because in the last two days I've found four progressive sites I knew nothing about (including this one, I'm ashamed to admit) and it lit a fire under me to find places where I fit in better so...all good for me.
four progressive sites
Linkie other three, please?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Sorry, I just saw this...
I'm sure you know, the reddit site(s):
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/ (I'm still exploring other subreddits)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/ (not on this one as much because I don't consider myself a Kossack anymore)
progressivearmy.com
I hadn't really thought about it, but it might be helpful to either set up a list of sites others here at c99 are visiting, or just have a community thread dedicated to it. I only found the ones above because someone else mentioned them...
Thank you!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The issue boils down to moderation
One that this site will have to deal with soon enough.
Personally I am enjoying being out from under the forced support of the Democratic party. I recognise it as being what should represent my views, but it hasn't. I have lived here for 30 years and never became a citizen. I have yet to find a place I feel I fit, and when they ask me to forswear my allegiance to my native New Zealand I just laugh. The US is so far behind in worthiness they really have it coming. But I love the people, I love the climate, and who needs to vote when you can persuade others to do it for you? I accept that the US is just a little sick, these days. And I must say I have really enjoyed reading this site - I even popped a small bit of coin in the pot.
But back to my point - it will not be long before there are squabbles here. And sorting them is a royal pain.
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
Poor Kos
It's like he just realized that a large portion of his unpaid work force is conducting a mass walk-out.
Let's continue to greet him with folded arms.
I think of C99 as something of union for leftist writers since this site is owned by its united members.
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
Haven for leftist writers, you say?
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I read it.
He says he has always instituted such rules after contested primaries in the past. After. March 15th is not "after", it's during.
I was bullied there by Clintonistas in 2007-2008. I really don't need to go through that again. I'm finished with toeing the line of this party; time to move the line.
"What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
"After" is apparently one of those words, like "oligarchy"
and "neocon," that Markos and his legion of brown-nosers are unclear of the meaning of.
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
I always needed a site like this anyway
As an independent it was always clear that I hadn't drunk enough of the blue colored kool-aid to really be on DKOS. His March 15th edict was just the impetus I needed to find a site like this one. Here, I feel like I can discuss progressive issues, rather than partisan Democratic ones. Here, I feel like I could get into questions about voting strategy in an HRC vs. Trump election and get actually thoughtful feedback. Here, I'm just less of an outsider all in all.... as evidenced by the fact that I posted my first significant diary and I didn't have any qualms about getting beaten down for insufficient loyalty.
I hope to contribute more to this site than just comments.
I will say this though. Even I have to admit that posting negative information about Hillary serves no useful purpose after she has won (or effectively won) the nomination. Whether it's true or not makes no difference because at that point, it is what it is. On a partisan site like DKOS it's only possible purpose runs counter to the mission... driving voters away from the Democratic party. Of course, on a site like this one, that's not a forbidden thought or outcome.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Hopefully, folks here won't take comments
relating to 'policy,' personally. 'Cause it's pretty much impossible to discuss the reform of social safety net programs, and not bring up any negatives, considering all the detrimental cuts/reforms that have taken place over the past 7 plus years.
(Having said that, I'm not at all meaning to infer that folks should refrain from disagreement/discussion. Just so that's clear.)
But, there are a few of us here who are very interested in policy and legislation. Now, I agree that there's really no place, or necessity for vitriolic language in this type of discussion--if that's what you're referring to.
Mostly, I try to cover 'entitlement' reform, and federal civilian and military pensions/healthcare in an objective and even-handed manner. So, I very much hope that factual presentation won't upset anyone. But, I have to admit--I don't spare any political figure or Party (as they say).
Seriously, IMHO, part of what the Progressive Blogging Community needs in accurate and timely information--not more DNC/DLC/Third Way propaganda and talking points.
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is this
Daily Kos? Or is this Caucus99? Is this a place where everyone shall breathlessly follow the windings and remindings of the ex? Or is this a place where people are prepared to go on?
Jeebus krispies. How much I would like it, if this were a universe, where there had never been, a Daily Kos, at all.
Is this the place? Or, only the place, restless, unsettled, staging area, until the bad boyfriend, he deigns to invite s/he, back "home," again?
the less we say about it the better
make it up as we go along
feet on the ground, head in the sky
it's okay, i know nothing's wrong
i got plenty of time
you got light in your eyes
we drift in and out
sing into my mouth
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Give em a little more time.
A lot of people are suffering some severe withdrawal/relief at the cessation of pain.
I'm hoping we can turn this energy in a positive way, and I see that with the amount of engagement. Course YMMV.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
A lot of people
are pissed. Outraged is more like it. Authoritarianism ain't popular. Venting is required.
But I doubt if it's long before mentions of DK disappear here. There are more important things to talk about.
Although personally, I've never believed in "forgive and forget." That's for people with short attention spans.
"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"
Heh
Good point. I think for me, this is the "watch chick flicks and eat ice cream" portion of the breakup. But I'm already 3 days in (or is it four now?) and I'm about ready to put the ice cream away.
Except for BNR, the GOS isn't even on my radar anymore except when someone else brings it to my attention, but I think it would be a good idea for all of us to be vigilant about how much we energy we invest in what was (there) as opposed to what is (here).
it's okay
to look at the thing. I do that, now and again, and I'm years and years out. But to post a one-liner link to the abusive boyfriend, and then have everybody pour in to screech about what a bastard the boyfriend is . . . I mean . . . jeebus. Is this place, now, like, going to be a group? With, like, the cards, that you get stamped or signed, when you leave the meeting?
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People have to work their own way out.
Some people move past quickly. Some people have to work their way through, slowly.
Just because you are a fast-mover, don't diss the work-it-throughers.
Emotional abuse and gaslighting take a while to work through. The last thing those folks need to hear is 'what's wrong with you? Are you STILL stuck?'
If you are impatient for action, try the Kossacks for Sanders Reddit; from there you can hopscotch till you find the right place for your need for action.
Many here now just need a place where they can talk freely without getting beaten. Many of us need to regain our power of speech, our ability to write freely without self-censoring our thoughts. To us, that IS 'doing something', and that something has to be done, that work finished, before we can 'take action' (or at least while we find avenues for action).
Thank you crone!
Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.-Lucy Parsons
Be patient with us. :)
For those of us who relied on the GOS as an oasis of like-minded spirits in a wasteland of political apathy and corruption, and the complicity of the media in governance by fear, not to mention the scorn of family members, this pivot to Clinton really stings.
DK was my political home for 10 years. I don't have any reason to go back now, but it still hurts.
"What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Some of us have a lot invested in that place.
Some of us even have an emotional connection. What happens at dk is of interest and will continue to be of interest to us. It is nice to be able to look at it the sunlight and openly discuss the strangely dependent relationship we have with the place.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The strangely *co*-dependent relationship we have with the place
Welcome to Co-Dependents Anonymous
weird, right? eom
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The problem is that things already got way out of hand
in ways that I'm not sure can be repaired - I'm talking about the smearing and/or diversionary bs that a supposedly liberal website and its members indulged in. It seemed almost like the site became was a focus group for DNC/HRC memes. It became the place that introduced me first to all the greatest hits:
1. Hillary is the most qualified candidate in the history of the world by virtue of her resume, just forget about all the actual policy stances she has had in that resume, okay?
2. It's time for a woman President
3. Bernie is just an old white guy who can only relate to others of the pale persuasion and he will never ever ever breakthrough in the primary because Bill and Hillary have a lock on the votes of the monolithic bloc of POC.
4. Because of #2 and #3 all of Bernie's supporters are sublimated racists/segregationists/sexists/misogynists by default
5. Bernie's social justice history has no real value and is mostly enhanced, oversold misty water-colored memories of a would be radical - basically denigrating the man's entire personal history as a liberal iconoclast.
6. The most ridiculous diary I have ever read, that I couldn't bring myself to comment on at DK - Kos' Miss Manner's Updated Rules For Radicals and Revolutionaries which posited that Liberal Revolution can only "start with people of color", because according to him - "Bottom line, no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed when 40 percent of Democrats are people of color. And people of color will be reluctant to join a movement led by little-known whites. History has made us justifiably suspicious of the Great White Savior." What do you do with that kind of sophistry? Revolutions arise organically when and where circumstances dictate and the idea that would-be leaders of social justice movements have to fulfill a demographic requirement for entry is ludicrous and insulting to people of all races and ethnicities.
7. The email affair is a nothingburger. No reason to care that our candidate subverted on purpose legitimate Congressional oversight and legal FOIA requests by having a covert server and ignoring specific requests for her emails. They were only revealed because of a foreign hacker and because she was SUED in federal court for compliance. Who give's a rat's ass about transparency and accountability of our government officials? If HRC did it, it's okay.
******
I'm really sad because I really liked Daily Kos. It was a great place to read, write, discuss and inform and be informed before the primary. I just can't take any place seriously that is willing to sacrifice an entire Party and its history and its ethical foundation simply to satisfy the political ambitions of one person.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
It's like an old friend after they join a cult.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
i keep meaning to ask you about the sig line
because one of my favorites is: So many (Ted Cruz-like) Christians, too few lions.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
I can't use your tagline, pfiore8!
I have a great big red tom kitteh in my house named Rufus who's quite aware that the lions are his kinfolks.
He becomes very upset when I suggest feeding the likes of Tez Crud to lions. He starts pulling shit like "the song of his people" at 3:00 AM etc.
I fare better washing him in the bathtub.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
My sigline is an original.
Came from one of my old comments on TOP. Went over so well I decided to keep it.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Agree with it all, but your last paragraph nails it.
"I'm really sad because I really liked Daily Kos. It was a great place to read, write, discuss and inform and be informed before the primary. I just can't take any place seriously that is willing to sacrifice an entire Party and its history and its ethical foundation simply to satisfy the political ambitions of one person."
This. Exactly.
"What lies behind you and what lies in front of you, pales in comparison to what lies inside of you." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
8. Citizens United was the
8. Citizens United was the horribilest, awfullest Supreme Court decision in the history of the world, until it wasn't. HRC takes mega-donations from scumbags? SO? Everyone Does It!! But she does it with purity and grace. If HRC did it, it's okay.
Yes!
Thanks for mentioning #6. That one left me gobsmacked as well. Guess the 63% of Americans who are non-Hispanic whites should just shut up and let democracy rule.
Don't misread me: I'm all for a more inclusive society in every respect. I'm a white guy who supported Jesse Jackson in the '80s, and who wept when President Obama was elected because (for some reason) I thought we were finally getting a progressive president. (And I'm not anit-Obama, either; I just think he was a good president when he could have been a great one.) Point is, the "right" candidate can be any color, and it was ludicrous on its face for Kos to dismiss Bernie because he was white. Especially considering the alternative.
"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"
Brilliant, Phoebe!
*SO* glad to see you here!
Not impressed
If he really gave a crap about Trix (or by extension other front page trolls) he would have acted much sooner. Also AFAIK front pagers have never trolled the community part of the site prior to this election season so the fact that half a dozen or so are now doing so would seem to indicate that orders have been given or at least permission has been granted by Markos.
The tone may have changed but the message hasn't - he hasn't moved on the 15th March deadline and that is the critical part.
He may have possibly learned that pissing off the unpaid labor is not a good idea.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I agree.....this time it is different.
There's never been another race where we had a real progressive candidate, and the so called largest liberal blog joined with DWS to back the conservative, Wall Street owned elitist instead. To add insult to injury, Kos put his thumbs on the scale along with DWS. Although we knew Kos had sold out, flagrantly cheating to win made the place even worse than it was.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Like most here I suspect -
I have no use for hypocrisy and that seems to be his defining trait.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
With climate change on our doorstep
this election is of particular importance to the young people because it is their future and that does not look good. Other politicians and commentators think that all they want is free stuff, but what they really want is a future.
So when establishment politicians and their minions (including the media in particular) put their boot on the scale, they have basically told the youth of this country and the people of all countries that they are expendable. I think my short experience with my local small Occupy group really affected me in this regard. The millennials are very worried about climate change. In our Occupy, it was their number one issue. Now some wealthy little asshole like Markos basically says that the game is more important than their future and the future of his own children.
For me, this is why Markos latest example of assholery has pissed me off so much.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Absolutely spot on
Strange to think of Markos as belonging in the past, a representative of the reactionary status quo. He has become what he used to claim to hate.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Woot! The floggings will continue until morale improves...
Thanks, Martha, what rubbish by the little dictator
Whatevah! "The dogs bark, but the caravan marches on." Best wishes,
Resilience: practical action to improve things we can control.
3D+: developing language for postmodern spirituality.
No, I'm not buying this at all
I will share here what I just posted a while ago on this topic over at the Reddit site (slightly edited).
This post from Kos doesn't change my mind, in fact it irritates me that he's so full of bullshit and so many people lap it up. Two big lies in that post. One, the claims that he "made it explicit" in his previous post that support for Sanders will still allowed after March 15, and people who suggest otherwise are "willfully misrepresenting" what he wrote. Maybe he doesn't know what the word "explicit" means, but nowhere in that previous post does it say continued support for Sanders will be allowed. If it did, he could link to it to prove his point. He can't do that because he did not make that explicit in the least. In fact, he said otherwise in about 16 different ways. Here's just a few choice quotes:
Now they sit around saying that anyone who doesn't see how this clearly means the primary will go on and people can keep advocating for Sanders just have reading comprehension problems or are "willfully misrepresenting" his words. What a crock!
The other big lie is the he did this before in 2008. Again, if that were true, it would be easy enough to link to any previous post where he did anything similar. He can't, because the fact is, he didn't do this before.
And finally the absurd idea that anyone on Daily Kos can "make Hillary better" and now moderation comes down to divining people's "intent" behind any criticisms, and only those with that goal are allowed. Completely ridiculous.
If anything, this makes me even less interested in continuing on Daily Kos.
Excellent analysis! (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
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