Hillary Happened
The subject of Hillary Clinton's loss has been discussed ad nauseum and by now she should have been relegated to the dead letter box of history, gathering dust in its darkest corners, never to be forced upon the American people once again. But NO! Hillary Clinton refuses to go away quietly, gracefully, or at all.
Not only has she written a factually mendacious book about the 2016 Presidential election, but as part of her "book tour," she continues to relitigate not only the general election, but also the primaries on any talk show that will give her a platform to do so. In addition, she and her Hillbot acolytes continue to flood social media with posts echoing her falsehoods.
As usual, the outstanding Lee Camp nails it in this clip.
Clinton might be the most out of touch person on Earth. pic.twitter.com/5XDUP1ACzQ
— Redacted Tonight (@RedactedTonight) September 15, 2017
this is just pure narcissism at this point, right https://t.co/ijYgNq7jWw
— Brain Mentality (@ByYourLogic) September 14, 2017
And if challenged, her followers cry out with charges of sexism and tell us to leave Hillary alone.
As one of my favorite on line video pundits, Tim Black has said that he would be only too happy to leave Hillary alone if she would just leave HIM alone.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=ascN6R5u62o]
Unfortunately for all but a few very die hard folks in the cult of Hillary, she continues to assault us with her personal pity party tour and her psychopathy. The more I see of Hillary Clinton, the more I think I was wrong to previously label her a sociopath. I think she is a very sick person, far more dangerous than even that. Not once does she take responsibility for her loss. She says she does and then she qualifies it to the extent that she has no longer accepted any blame.
I have read a number of reviews of her latest book, What Happened, but this article by Jeffrey St. Clair in Counterpunch is by far, the best one I have read.
Don’t skim these pages in search of a self-lacerating confession. What Happened reads more like a drive-by shooting https://t.co/CpO331Xjhq pic.twitter.com/gz5EKZglk2
— CounterPunch (@NatCounterPunch) September 15, 2017
His article is a very long read, but worth the time. Do not miss a single word. There are so many good points in it that could be quoted, but this one paragraph stood out for me. I have added my own emphasis on the sentences which so eloquently define her real problem.
She has weeded and blurred inconvenient episodes from her resumé. She has gone on talking tours. She has appeared in town halls. She has reintroduced herself, again and again. She’s changed her name, hairstyles and fashion designers. She exchanged dresses for pantsuits. She shifted from drinking pinot noir to craft beers. She’s backed wars both before she opposed them and after she condemned them. But she remains the same Hillary Rodham Clinton Americans have known since 1992. Everybody sees this except her. Americans know Hillary better than she does herself. All of her manufactured mirages are translucent to the very the people she wants to deceive. When Hillary looks in the mirror, she must see what might have been (should have been in her mind) and not what is. And that schism enrages her.
People are sick of the Clintons, both Bill and Hillary, but especially Hillary, the woman whose numbers have never gone up. And now the donor class is starting to rebel against her too.
"The best thing she could do is disappear,” said one former Clinton fundraiser and surrogate who played an active role at the convention. “She’s doing harm to all of us because of her own selfishness. Honestly, I wish she’d just shut the f--- up and go away.”
Just go away forever, Hillary. And take Bill and Chelsea with you. You have done irreparable harm to the United States and to the world. Enough is enough. Go away!
Comments
personal note
I had this completely written and previewed earlier today but the site went down just as I hit the publish button. Was that the work of Her Heinous?
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Hurricane Hillary
Destroying everything in her path, with deadly wind sneer.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I wish...
that she'd take Dipshit Trump, Pencildick and their gaggle of corporate goons with her too. And throw in the corporate Dems while they're at it.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Obama too. He is in a three way tie for worst President ever.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Who are thee other two?
My guess that in addition to President Obamanation, we would have The Orange Baboon and a tie between George W. and Buchanan.
Bill Clinton,Obama and Trump
Traitors rate high on my scale.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Woodrow Wilson
Got to put Woodrow Wilson in there, too, for signing into law the Federal Reserve.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
*Just* for that?
The bastard also re-segregated the armed forces and the Civil Service (which had slowly begun to get integrated, to the absolute horror of Dixiecrats like Wilson).
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The League of Nations didn't fair so well either n/t
Beware the bullshit factories.
@Centaurea And the Espionage
And the Espionage Act, right?
What a piece of shit that guy was.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@dkmich The ones who sealed
The ones who sealed the deal.
Although Wilson and Buchanan do both warrant an Honorable Mention. (Or dishonorable?)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Old Buch's lookin' pretty good right now!
After all, he was just incompetent, not malicious!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I'd say Trump, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson
I'm always surprised that the man who singlehandedly scuttled Reconstruction walks away from most people's "Worst Of" lists.
@SnakeBehindMe My list:
My list:
Three-way tie for first: Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama
Three-way tie for second: Woodrow Wilson, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan
Third: Andrew Johnson
(dis)Honorable Mentions: Nixon and Buchanan
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That is a really good article.
I sent that one on to friends too. God, one of them is pretty captive to the boob tube, recovering from a major surgery, so I can only imagine she is subjecting herself to Hillary's self pity tour. My friend's own mother is a narcissist though, so maybe she's getting a few good laughs out of it. I hope so. It would make me hurl.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I didn't know that the Koch brothers helped create the DLC
until I read this article that I posted a link to in Amanda's essay.
The revenge of the PUMAs
This brings back fond memories of the PUMAs fighting in 2008, doesn't it? What's funny is that both Herheinous and her supporters were livid because they thought that Bernie should have bowed out months before he did and that he should have reined in his supporters because they were making it harder for Herheinous to move on to the general election.
But as this article points out, Herheinous and her supporters did much worse after she lost the primary to Obama. This is called hypocrisy.
I agree with you that the counterpunch article is one of the best articles about Herheinous' book and he makes so many great points in it.
I thought that this part of the article is spot on:
She said that Henry f*cking Kissinger gave her good advice when she was SOS ffs!
We told people that she was a warmonger and they accused us of spreading right wing talking points. Their willful blindness to this part of her personality is disturbing. But these are the same people who excused Obama's war crimes too.
Herheinous and her supporters need to realize that if she hadn't used her private email server then there would be nothing for Comey and the FBI to investigate. It's this simple.
And Wikileaks wouldn't have published those emails if the person who leaked them wasn't disgusted with what was happening to Bernie. This is on her again and everyone who was involved in her campaign.
As per usual, Snoopy
you must have read my mind because my second choice quote was the passage you quoted, and this is from a very long article. St. Clair really captured all the reasons why Clinton was never going to be President and why she still does not get it. And I would add, she never will.
IMO, the United States was actually lucky that this woman was not elected President, despite the fact that Donald Trump is an incompetent buffoon.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I agree with you that she is very sick with some type
of personality disorder. She has no empathy for the numerous lives that she destroyed.
This includes the millions of people who were kicked off the welfare rolls, the people that went to prison, especially the ones who used crack cocaine. She had to be aware that poorer people could only afford that type of cocaine and that richer people could afford the powder type.
This was some of the damage that she and Bill imposed on people in this country.
Then there is the countless number of people who lives were destroyed along with their homes and countries because of her foreign policy views.
The way that she laughed after watching Gaddafi's murder should have sent warning signs to everyone in this country.
But we saw how people accepted all of those things and said that she was the most qualified candidate to run for the presidency.
Yep. This country dodged a bullet by keeping the Clintons out of the WH. Their policies from their first time are still affecting us today.
Indeed. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Indeed. Thank the gods
she got her beatdown. Even if the result was president Trump. Really sad when we're better off with Trump, but we are. The Oligarchy would have had a free ride with HRC in the WH and we of the 99% would be headed toward oblivion at this point. That has GOT to fry Oligarchy balls! They spent (and bet) a Billion $$ on HRC and got d!ck for their investment. You just know that had to hurt. Not so much the $Billion they bet. That's peanuts. But, the $Billions they lost with the HRC loss still burns.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
It especially rankles the 1%
because they pulled out all the dirty tricks stops, used the media to manipulate, funded bots and pundits alike and still couldn't get the lousy, stupid, worthless public to buy their shoddy product.
The Hill article Russia! Russia!
continues with the ASSUMPTION that we all know it was Russia who hacked the DNC - even though we all know it was an internal leak.
I consider that lie to be of Clintonian origin and it has been very damaging. Russia! Russia! is the worst lie of all, considering the extent of its damage to global relations, but I still get angriest when she pulls out the sexist/misogynist crap.
That too is damaging. It damages the cause of gender equality because it is baseless, whiny and assails the dignity of feminists. My mom was a feminist before it was a household word and I read Friedan before puberty. To call us sexist really rankles. It might be a big reason why she lost the female vote.
Hypocrisy, Indeed.
Her was allowed to finish out the primaries long after Her had no chance. Even then, Her still didn't concede until Her was damn good and ready (and had done some behind the scenes horse trading with Obama.) Her and the PUMAs were handled with the most delicate of kid gloves and a good number of them still wouldn't vote Obama. I didnt see anyone outside of Sanders supporters mention this in the days where they were getting downright nasty about him still being in the race.
Edit: Her palling around with Kissinger had me gobsmacked too. He was a little before my time, but I know more than enough about who he was and the case against him. I know enough to know he's the kind of person that not too long ago you couldn't have claimed as a friend and and advisor been taken seriously as a Democrat, let alone the top of the ticket. Criticizing that shouldn't have been controversial among the left.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Search for the things that he was responsible for
The coups that he helped orchestrate and the numbers of deaths that followed wherever his attentions landed on.
The fact that he is still a free man is another disgrace for this country.
He is pure evil.
I only remember the PUMA fighting on ToP. That was brutal and I wonder how many people of the ones who blamed Bernie took part in those fights?
This article was written 3 days ago and it should get more attention because of Herheinous blaming Bernie for her loss after the things she and her supporters did to Obama.
The company they keep
Certainly the admiration shown to Kissinger by Colbert makes me we wonder about what in the hell he was thinking.
Henry Kissinger
"HE" is Henry Kissinger, I assume.
(And assuming that, you're spot-on the money.)
PUMA indeed.
If the Democrats want party unity with a workable party, let them return to being democrats. Let them return to the embrace and support of ordinary working people. Let them trash Third Way, the DLC, and all their ilk.
(We all know that won't happen; too much cash in doing things the Clinton way!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@thanatokephaloides
Ooooo, yeah, indeed!
Dunno if you've seen this, from one of the links posted by, I believe, Creosote, on a recent thread about psychopathic government, but:
https://cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski_2.htm
As Germany found, once any such contamination has poisoned a society, only strong measures, education and strict vigilance can ever again contain it. So depressing...
But nobody found to be deficient in empathy and ethics should be permitted to act in any capacity enabling them to harm others - that's just common-sense.
Edited to add a missed comma and fix an unfortunate letter-typo within these few brief sentences. Definitely had better go try for some sleep, lol.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
In the name of God, go!
Or, in the words of Oliver Cromwell to the Rump Parliament of 1653:
source
Fitting, n'est-ce pas?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Fitting!
Indeed! Perfect for Her and for her entourage.
Not strong enough for the CIA when they're removed. But right on for the Clintons.
A little twitch
Reading gulfgal98's peroration at the end of her Essay, I got a little twitch which said: "Oliver Cromwell's speech to the Rump Parliament!".
"Strong enough for the CIA" (and let's not forget the DEA while we're at it!) can't be dome in this country (legally, anyhow). That pesky Eighth Amendment, you know....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The hubris just gets thicker
Check this one out. She compares herself to fictional villain with no sense of irony at all.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Warning, this is NSFW
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1u5Q9Sk9fk]
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
That was bad although not degrading.
Not that she is, but you want your mother or sister to do that walk, sexist as hell? The woman is a crone now, not a sexual figurine.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Is there anyone in washington DC
willing to put this in huge signs and tack them up around Congress?
dfarrah
Her book
and the interviews being conducted as part of her book tour are producing a lot of very clear, pointed and important discussion about what was wrong with the Democratic campaign and the Democratic policy record before the election. She has provided a living critique of herself.
The review you have linked us to is very good, I agree. And another great discussion I've read is by Glenn Greenwald and his readers at The Intercept. Greenwald points out that friendly interviewers are failing to ask Clinton about war, as if it weren't relevant to her record or to voters' lives, as if the families of soldiers killed, maimed and spiritually damaged by war are completely irrelevant to the election result, or to the Democratic Party message, I guess because they are irrelevant to the Democratic Party mindset.
Here is Greenwald at his best:
Thank you for this
Long before the Democratic primaries, I posted at the other site that I could not support Hillary Clinton under any circumstances because of her war mongering. I had not read the Greenwald review prior to posting this. I intend to do so this evening. Thank you for calling our attention to it.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Comments
by the readers of his opinion piece are really strong also and reassuring in this environment of being challenged about what was wrong with the Democratic message.
The Greenwald article makes an excellent point
Greenwald has made a very good point, one I personally witnessed during my participation in a local Peace vigil. While my experience is anecdotal and pertains only to a small location, it may be reflective of what happened in other places. Generally the people I encountered, regardless of their self identified political persuasion, were sick of the wars and the money being wasted upon them when all around them they were seeing friends and family worse off than ever. I was actually surprised how many people were able to make the connection between the vast amounts of money being spent on these wars and how little money was available to be spent on our own citizens. Many small towns, particularly in the Midwest and South have suffered greatly from the outsourcing of manufacturing overseas. As a result of the lack of jobs, many young people join the military as an alternative. They end up fighting for the very same oligarchs who took away their homeland opportunities for living wage jobs. It is ironic, and many of these people and their families are waking up to what is really going on. I truly believe that the election of Trump was a desperate cry from the people that the Democrats have sold up the river and forgotten. They had no other choice in their minds.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
This is a powerful statement
Well done. And yes, the election of Trump was a cry from the citizens who are tired of seeing their lives and dreams for a better future getting further and further away.
8 years ago people came out in droves to vote for Obama because of the platform he was running on and they took the chance and hoped that he would change the way Washington worked.
No need to rehash his betrayal, but the one solid thing that people took from his election was that it didn't matter what a person was running on, they either won't or are unable to do the things that they said that they wanted to do.
If the problem is that they can't do what they campaigned on, then it won't matter who ends up as president if the Deep State is actually in charge of our government.
We know that congress will not represent us because they have sold out to the oligarchy, so why would we think that it matters who is president?
I posted at the other site
as long ago as early 2016 I believe that Mme. Clinton was either wrong or out to lunch on issues that folks cared about right now, this decade, such as GMOs and TPP. I said she couldn't even manage to denounce the ivory trade, free brownie points for politicians.
Mary Bennett
Did she use the Khon parents to re-direct her role in
their son's death during the convention? I didn't watch it, but saw some articles about how Trump was insulting them.
As a rabid anti military person, I don't understand how or why the parents of deceased soldiers are okay with their deaths. Are people that unaware that our troops are only fighting to defend corporation's profits, not to protect our freedoms from the big bad terrorists. They can't believe that they can take them away from us?
A Utah family lost their son after he tried to defuse a bomb in Afghanistan and his mother says that he died doing something he loved. I take this to mean that he enjoyed going into innocent people's countries and killing them. This is what is happening.
Don't they even question why our troops are still fighting in Afghanistan even though Bin Laden has been dead for years?
This is what I just don't understand.
In my experience the answer to this is more often
than not "yes" Snoopydawg.
Are people that unaware that our troops are only fighting to defend corporation's profits, not to protect our freedoms from the big bad terrorists. They can't believe that they can take them away from us?
In one of my nephew's case after the recession he couldn't get steady work as a Union plumber. So he joined the Army Reserves for money and benefits. Totally changed him. We used to be very close. Now we never see him.
My other nephew went into the Army last year. My sister's boy whose family are into the Jeebus thing. But yes, that is what they believe he is protecting our Feedumb. He is deploying to Iraq next month. Worried about him.
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
As a dweller in Colorado Springs, Colorado.....
As a dweller in Colorado Springs, Colorado, I can assure you that there are huge swathes of Americans who actually do maintain that our military is fighting to protect our freedoms and for the freedoms of the peoples in the places where they fight.
In the words of Palmolive Madge, I'm soaking in them now!
Seriously, I think I can count the people still living in El Paso County, Colorado who realize that our military is only fighting for Wall Street's profits on such digits as God gave me.
It's been almost 50 years since we've had any real civilian industries here. As the military keeps shipping more people in, fresh water for agriculture and civilian industry grows ever more short. Most ag water hereabouts has been bought up by the cities and military bases, converted to "aug water" -- water that the owners agree not to withdraw from natural water bodies in exchange for the right to draw more water elsewhere, usually upstream where it's cleaner.
It's difficult to create a culture which values the truth when the salaries of so many depend on no one believing it.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I can sympathize with you
I live close to Hill Air Force base in Utah and used to work in the hospital closest to the base. Many of my co-workers had family members in the military and most of them were deployed to Iraq.
I had to carefully watch my tongue, which is not easy for me when I would ask their viewpoints on the war. Most of them have drunk deeply from the propaganda koolade. A small part of me was hoping that their family member would get injured just to see their reaction to it. I was wondering if that person had a horrific injury because he was sent to a country that hadn't threatened us, would that wake them up? So far, nothing I have read on my local website leads me to believe this as I stated in my previous comment.
Again, your situation parallels mine because of the religion aspect of both bases. Your is the Fundamentalism and mine is Mormonism.
Thanks for the roundup, GG. A few more videos for folks...
That pathetic Loser is spewing so much blatant lying, falsifying and outrageous revisionism. Times like these when you realize the independent Left media deserves a lot of credit for doing some excellent investigative analysis and very thorough pushback, because the MSM is the enemy of the people.
I loved Tim Black's indignation and hilarity; he was on fire there. Must-watch. Lee Camp is so sharp and perceptive too. We've got some great truth-telling (and funny) folks on our side.
Here's a few more:
Look forward to that Counterpunch piece.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Thanks for posting these links, Mark.
Keep us updated on your new addition. Your son is going to look like a big boy once the baby comes home. Your family here will just need to know all is well once you are all safely home.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Thank you Mark
for adding to the links.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
This is what happened to Hillary.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Fourth Edition, used by medical doctors to help them diagnose mental disorder.
DSM IV definition: Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Give her enough rope...
I mentioned this in another comment, I used to get livid over this, but I'm starting to feel the maxim "the more people hear her, the less they like her" is coming into play again. She's about the least sympathetic figure out there and anyone outside of a total sycophant has to see this for what it is. I only hope that people realize she's the face of a broken system, not just an isolated thing. Of course, I had hopes people would realize that about Trump too, but the Democrats are doing their damndest to make it all about him.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Not only this
I love this comment
Excellent comment, particularly this part which is so very important and a big part of why we have this website.
I would say as a corollary to your comment that the Clintons were among those who were primarily responsible for breaking the system to the extent it is today.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98 Our individualism is
Our individualism is one of the worst anchors tied around our ankle. It's too extreme. After four decades or so of propaganda, we can barely see anything but the individual personality.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
OMG, Hillary Happened. That's past tense. So leave it.
(some edting to be less offensive to gulfgal)
I count the days til people who frequent this site stop mentioning Hillary at all.
I suggest a regime. Just talk about Hillary Clinton once a week only. Preferably Sunday nights. Most of us won't read it, but rather have nice dreams of "the times after the Hillare regime". Good.
There are a lot of mentally "out of order" kind of personalities among politicians. Don't become "out of order" too by constantly obsessing about her. She is a sicko, obsessed 'nobody', if you just would let her be just that and took care of other business.
I am so tired reading and talking about her. Sorry for that. No offense. It just ain't going to help anyone and won't change anything.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Hi mimi
Watch Tim Black's video linked in the essay and maybe you will understand why I wrote this article.
As you know, we allow folks here to write about whatever they wish. Until this loathesome woman goes away and quits inflicting herself upon us, I would guess we will still be reading about her here and elsewhere.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I am sorry I formulated my comment addressing you
personally. Wasn't meant to be (and I edit it in a minute).
I do understand perfectly well, why you are writing about Hillary. I do understand Tim Black saying we need to fight her for not leaving us alone.
I think this fight is against the system and the DNC and the Democratic Party. And with that the Republicans she helped to get into power as well.
So, our revolutionary fight should attack the system of which Hillary is part of imo.
I just was tired. I go with Bernie. He basically couldn't care less about her fucking words. Thank God he has the nerves and the wit to handle her so well.
My apologies to you personally.
https://www.euronews.com/live
It IS about the system
and the Clintons are not only the face of the system, but they are the architects of that corrupt system. In one way, I do not want her to go away until they indict her for all the corrupt things she has been engaged in.
BTW, I did not take your comment personally, mimi. I love your insight very much.
But until we clean out the corruption that permeates our government, we cannot ignore how deeply the Clintons and the "new Democrats" contributed to it.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
yeah, you are a fighter, I admit I am a loser or
just having given up to believe anything in the US can be changed from within. Without going more specific, I feel, I am in the "Belly of the Beast". What I have seen lately tells me that there is no rescue from within the system.
Keep on fighting your way. I hope it succeeds.
https://www.euronews.com/live
whoa
Maybe I am misreading this. I do not believe that our political system can be changed from within. Wanting to see corrupt and lawless people brought to justice is still a hope or pipe dream of mine. Politicians may be corrupt, but I still hold hope that some in our justice system to be uncorrupted.
You had a choice and I definitely respect that. As an American with no other avenues available to me, I have no choice but to fight in whatever way I am able.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
When I said the system can not changed from within
I meant that I think the change will come from the influence of forces outside of the US (political, economic and militarily). For the time being all my pipedreams got crashed and turned into nightmares. So, forgive me for being pessimistic.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Why we talk about Hillary
That clock hasn't started yet.
And it won't start until there is no longer a Clinton in American public life. Until then, whether or not we like it, she is still a factor in American politics and will be discussed as such. She and her ilk -- those who resemble her -- are what is wrong with America right now. It is her fault that we have a bumbling incompetent, a man who failed to turn a profit from a casino, occupying the most powerful position on Earth.
It doesn't help that she refuses to leave the stage, admittedly.
First, she actually has to become a "nobody". Right now, she's still in the public eye. The main thrust of this Essay is that we'd like to see her become a nobody and the has-been that all Clintons and those who support them rightly are. Unfortunately, this isn't yet the case.
And until it becomes true, our discussions serve a very valid purpose indeed: to maintain that vigilance that is the cost of freedom.
No offense taken, at least as far as I myself am concerned. But I do respectfully disagree with your contention that "It just ain't going to help anyone and won't change anything." I feel that this discussion, at the levels its happening now both here and elsewhere, are necessary until the Clintons and those like them have left the public arena once and for all.
You, not being American, don't need to swim in these particular waters; this is not your task. It is, however, ours -- much to our chagrin.
So, my apologies to you for what must seem to be nothing else but the beating of a dead horse. As I said above, were it a dead horse, our lives would all be much easier; but it seems that the Clintons just won't go away.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I agree with what you say
my comment to gulfgal was a matter of being exhausted living in the US at this particular time and in these current conditions. And as such my reasons are irrelevant, as they are personal. May be I have the choice to leave, but for some reason I think that's not what I can do.
I am sorry I have upset so many people with my comment. Forget about it. Please. Nothing to see here. Move on.
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exhausted
I didn't know you lived in the US! I thought you were still in Germany!
(Every day, I am more impressed with your mastery of English, by the way, Most folks don't do anywhere near as well with their second language as you do!)
That your reasons are personal have nothing to do with their relevance to the rest of us. Relevance stands or falls on its own, as it relates to each of us.
And just because I may disagree with something you say does NOT render it irrelevant, either! Cat only knows I've been wrong before!
c99 is a place where disagreements get discussed, while those having the disagreements aren't cussed! And you and I have done a great job of that. Let's keep doing so!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
yes, it is a great place and one of the few I regularly come
back to.
Back at you. Thanks for the kind words.
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In addition what you may not understand is
that after living here for 35 years, having a son, who is American and got thoroughly messed up in this system to the point that it is irreparable, I feel very much I should fight that system, which ruined him. So ...
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your son and the system
You are correct, of course; I had no idea.
And we absolutely agree about fighting the system that messed up your son so badly. I myself am reminded daily about how many bullets I've dodged with respect to background and education.
And "I and mine" do and did fight against the mis-education system that now exists in the USA, by the way. My aunt who spent her working life as a teacher still has horror stories to tell....
If I have offended against this part of your life, please be aware that I did not intend any such thing; I apologize to you for any such; and I ask you to please keep in mind that we are in solidarity with respect to your son and these issues.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
you couldn't have an idea and I am sorry
I got into such a downward spiral emotionally and drawn into personal comments. It shouldn't have been done and I was too weak to keep it to myself. I am sorry for that.
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redacted - double posting /nt
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If Hillary would stop fighting progress
I would never mention Hillary again.
right, I fully understand, you are a tough fighter. Kudos. ..
and I mean it, just to make sure you don't think this was sarcasm.
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Talking about it is therapy.
Some of us are still very angry.
How the hell
can she go away as long as someone keeps talking about and posting her drivel?
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
was that aimed at me
the author of this essay?
This is actually about the struggle for power in this country and how some of the worst people behind it refuse to go away.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
It was aimed at
everyone who keeps herin the limelight.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I cantstandz Her,
won't rest 'til the bitch is gone. This could take awhile.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Pricknick Well...OK. The issue
Well...OK. The issue here is less about Hillary than about whether we choose to react to the news of the day (which she is all over) or whether we choose to create our own new thing. I, for one, would ideally like a site which does some of both. I think there's an important place for both.
Reacting to the establishment allows us to reframe the data in a narrative that isn't dishonest to the point of being toxic. That is really important for those of us here, and whoever manages to find their way to us (thanks a lot, Google, you hypocritical shits). It's creating a temporary autonomous zone where the standards of fact and civility are not dead. A sanity zone, if you will. That matters, a lot.
But it's also true that we spend the majority of our time reacting, and that diaries which react usually get far more interest than those which attempt to invent something new. Part of it is that we've all been hurt, badly. Part of it is that we are constantly bombarded with new poisons, new lies. If I had a wish for this site, it would be that we could not only create a space where we can reframe lies as truths, but also create a space where we do not define ourselves solely in relation to those lies. I'd like to see what we're capable of when we're not in relation to the overlords.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Disinformation of this nature must be fought with the facts in all possible remaining outlets, great and small. C-99 is both of these, in one sense, so where better?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Is there a parallel of some kind
between those who crave or prize their AK-47s or other guns as a way of feeling alive, and the apparently equally strong deathly appeal of a person creating, comfortable with, or being entertained by vast impersonal violence?
-- Like the dream of a child who has been beaten by cold, impermeable, immortal forces.
posting her drivel
It's Herself that's driveling all that drivel; she could and should have simply faded away into the background after her loss in the 2016 elections.
It is her refusal to do so which drives all the rest of this. The problem here is that the mere act of ignoring her by thinking people won't make her go away; rather, she, her paymasters, and her sycophants will take the lack of objections as a sign that she ought to persevere in her quest for power and influence.
As long as we continue to object, and do so publicly, there's a chance that the paymasters, seeing diminishing returns on their investments, will start to pull them -- the only thing that really stands a chance of turning all the Clintons back into private people, as our Nation and humanity require at this time.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I wish Killary would just go away also. Exile on St. Helena
sounds about right.
Unfortunately, her following, the PUMAS referred to in that article linked to above, need to understand that the rest of us are not going to be intimidated by them. Maybe donors loosing patience will do the trick, when it becomes apparent that she has no more patronage to hand out the PUMAS will go looking for another patron.
Mary Bennett
Exile on Mars isn't far enough n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I wonder if you are aware of the things that she and others
are still very involved in the politics of this country. Hillary and the other neocons are creating non-profit organizations that are working to do more damage to us. Obama is also doing these things behind our backs and I feel that we need to keep being aware of what they are doing.
Madeline Albright, Kissinger, the writers of PNAC and countless others are also involved with these activities.
The Deep State is a real threat to not only us, but to many people who are living in the countries that we have our eyes on.
So IMO, it's important that we do keep having this type of discussion. Just my two cents.
Agree. Is a Two Front
war. One with the Oligarchs, the other with TPTB that run the Dem party. Both fronts want us gone.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Excellent point.
Excellent comment, Snoopy
Hillary CLinton has already stated that she will not be leaving politics altogether. She and Bill and the rest of their cabal are figuring out ways to keep the money flowing.
Your excellent comment points out exactly why we must continue to be vigilant of these parasites to society.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
How in the hell can we ignore her
when she's just written a book filled with lies; rewriting history; libeling progressives; and is currently touring the country getting her version of events on the record. If we ignore her do you think she will get one less interview on MSM?
Silence could be interpreted as consent or as evidence that she's right and we don't have a response. I'll keep talking about Hillary and the election as long as Hillary keeps talking about Hillary and the election.
@FuturePassed When Hillary loses
When Hillary loses influence, I will lose interest in her.
Right now, Kamala Harris is being groomed, is causing progressives to swoon with her co-sponsorship of the Bernie Sanders Medicare For All bill.
The best way to understand Harris is for Hillary to keep talking.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
She and Trump
share a talent. They are very good at getting the wealthy and connected to give them money.
Except Hillary's money
pot soon to dry up as those donors' $$ bring no return with Her Highness out of power with no avenue in sight by which to return, the Clintons done. Except, of course, Hillary not taking done for an answer, will look for ways to destroy her enemies including, if not foremost, those deplorable BernieBros, Berniecrats.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The question no one is asking
is what did she do with the money that was in the Clinton global initiative part of the foundation? They have closed this down, but has anyone like the IRS looked at what they have done with their billions that they got from foreign investors?
Remember that she and Bill didn't file taxes on the money that they received when she was Secretary of State. Oops, that must have just slipped their minds.
Bill received over $2 million for giving speeches to the organizations that Hillary fixed their problems with the state department.
Why do you hate women, snoop?
/s I'm channeling TOP, I think it must be the PTSD.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
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