Something Surprised Me Today, But It Shouldn't Have - Dems See HRC as Poison
Hillary Clinton is back with a vengeance, and no that is not the big surprise. What did come as a surprise was this nugget from a New Yorker article by a writer Clinton handpicked to tell her story, David Remnick.
It's a piece of Clinton hagiography entitled "Hillary Clinton Looks Back in Anger,", but still there was this bit buried deep within what is otherwise an account of the standard narrative we've been hearing for months telling us why we failed Hillary, as opposed to why she has only herself to blame for losing to Trump:
A few nights before meeting with her, I was at dinner with a political professional who worked on her 2008 campaign. I mentioned that I was going to interview Clinton, and sought his advice about what I should ask. He put down his fork and scowled. “Ask her why she blew the biggest slam dunk in the history of fucking American politics!” he said. A few diners at adjacent tables looked up. “Oh, and ask her if she is going to donate the millions of dollars she’s gonna make on this book to charity. Ask her: Why should you profit from this disaster?” There was more of this.
This tells me that while the Democratic Party may not have changed much, its elites no longer want or need Hillary. In other words, except for a few diehards like Peter Daou, who is still trying to profit off the grief of fanatical Clinton supporters, the Dems are finally done with kowtowing to Her. They've moved on. They're even pretending to back Sanders Medicare-for-All bill now, or at least those Dem Senators with pretensions of running for the 2020 nomination are. They don't want her and her angry grievance tour right now. They're still trying to con us, but at least they've learned one thing, if nothing else. Hillary is the biggest loser in American politics and no one wants her stinking political corpse cluttering up their "party," even if it means they have to play nice with that damn socialist, Bernie Sanders.
It's not much, but it's something. And it tells me also that the clearest way to defeat Third Way Centrists is to tar them with their association to Her and her family. If I were running progressive candidates in primaries against Neolib Dems I'd spend all my time connecting my "Republican Lite" opponents with Her any way I could. Because, except to her truly delusional fans, no one wants to hear from Hillary and no Dem politician wants her associated with their campaign.
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If only they could drop the habit...
I think that pretty much every Democratic Politician knows that Hillary is bad for them and only makes them feel good when they're hurting somebody else...
Do they have an Anonymous group for that? There's a few Democrats who seriously need to check in.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Very anonymous, I hope
instead of introducing themselves as an alcoholic they could say "I'm John and I'm a betrayer of my fellow Americans". How many steps would their be to recovery and would it be a life long affliction?
When DMW said Anonymous...
When DMW said Anonymous I thought of the hacktavist group and I'm thinking something like Operation Flush the Toxins or Operation Colonic.
I dunno how many "steps" that kind of Anonymous group needs, but my guess is around 150,000,000 (collected graft at a buck a step).
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
@GreatLakeSailor I did too.
I did too.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Those Wall Street Speeches would be a hoot to read now.
Just think of the promises she made to the elites for their cash. I'm glad they're pissed. They're just as responsible for $Hillary as Bill.
The real SparkyGump has passed. It was an honor being your human.
I think that one of her promises was that she would
create a no fly zone over Syria which would need to have up to 70,000 soldiers in Syria to make it work.
This is one thing that she told the bank CEOs during one of her paid speeches. Sorry, I can't find the article that I read this from. But why would she tell them that or why did one of the CEOs ask her about this?
I'm aware that banks make lots of money while supporting both sides of a war.
She just didn't think that the amount of money she made just before she announced her candidacy.
One of the talking points from her supporters is "why did people focus on her giving paid speeches just before she announced her candidacy"?
It wouldn't have bothered me if she did that except that she was going to be in a position to pay them back for giving her speeches. This was on top of her abusing her position as SOS. There have been numerous articles that shows she used her position to get millions for her foundation.
Campaign finance laws say that foreign governments can't donate to presidential candidates. She found a way around this by laundering their money through her foundation.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
From LoneStarMike's artisan workshop...
This Verrit thing is much fun.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
This is well done! n/t
Hahahahaha!
Such backlash couldn't have happened to a better Daouche.
The Clinton grip is
loosening at least. I don't know that there's a full frontal blowback, but there's no question that the magic, the mojo is fading.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The Sooner the Country Rids Itself of Clintonism
... the better off everyone will be. It's only a matter of time. Likewise, Blairism in Great Britain.
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
She's been in the fridge too long
She's gonna spoil all the other leftovers.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
@earthling1
Thank you - and thank FSM I had swallowed my most recent sip of tea before reading that on my desktop screen!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@earthling1 Well said.
Well said.
Don't worry. They've got the Bernie air freshener in there. I'm sure it'll make things smell better.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
And it'll be non-toxic!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
For several months HRC polls lower than Trump
And this September 2017 poll from Newsweek reveals:
So there is a noisy minority still stirring the pot for HRC.
And,even sweeter, as of August 2107:
Is that the poll everyone cites? 2263 people, most popular!
thanks it feels like Conehead Dysfunctional Family Feud territory, Bzzzt thanks for playing! bzzt bzzt bzzt. Windows is the "most popular" desktop software, see what I mean? Quantity does not infer quality, especially in the U.S.. Especially after Citizens United. What dark money runs Our Revolution? bzzt
good luck
Polling
Most polls of all types (not just political polls) use what most of us think of as a very small sample. A much larger sample is not necessarily more accurate either. A relatively small sample size can be very accurate (within 2-4% margin of error) as long as two other things are present. Those things are (1) the sample must demographically reflect the population as a whole or the targeted group, depending upon the poll, and (2) how the questions are asked.
Knowing who to sample is of utmost importance. I am guessing pollsters use census data for all polls, and for political polls, add voter registration data to ensure the sample will reflect the population as a whole or the targeted group. As for the questions, unless it is an obvious push poll, most reputable pollsters try to remove bias from the questions and use cross check questions to verify responses.
If you look at a poll beyond the headline summaries, a lot of valuable information can be gleaned from the cross tabs.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
The more she talks,
the more people hate her.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Her mouth is like the Energizer Bunny from Hell
The election's not the only thing she's lost.
The Donors Expected a Return on Their Investment
And they didn't get it. Since it seems the only thing the Democratic Party cares about is keeping the money coming in, and we've seen the reports that the funds are drying up, I can't help but put two and two together. The big money that backed Her expected something for the cash. They didn't get it because Her wiped out on what should have been a sure thing.
I'm still not seeing any real self reflection among the Dems so I can't accept any real change of heart has taken place either. Most of them seem belligerently committed to staying the course. I know some are optimistic about the health care bill and that some have signed on, but let's see who jumps on when it has a better chance to pass and when it doesn't look like a cheap attempt to buy some credibility.
It all strikes me as more kabuki from people who just don't get why voters rejected Her and probably never will. While the party itself may have their heads so far up their own asses that they can believe all the excuses, I just can't accept that the donor class does. If the Democratic Party has learned anything, I've yet to see proof.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I think the best tell will be...
...not just who signs on and when, but what they do after signing on. My own PINO senator Very Serious Beltway Democratic Elite Tammy Baldwin voted against Fast-Tracking the TPP (she's not all together stupid) but she did nothing to change the (what looked at the time as inevitable) outcome of its passage. No OpEds in the local fish wrappers, no interviews on local/regional newspapers or radio, no rallies - organizing nor attending - nothing, nada. A paper tiger betting she could just sit that one out, watching as TPP passed and screwed Wisconsinites even more yet retain her progressive chops by saying, "Well * I * voted against it!!"
If Baldwin wants her cosponsorship to have any cred at all, she must barnstorm for MFA, hit the print and airwaves, hit rallies, etc., etc. This will require her mixing with us unwashed and I'll be surprised if she does that.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Me too! Spot on GLS!
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
@Dr. John Carpenter I'm with you. And the
I'm with you. And the people of Missouri. Show me.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Oh I think that they get it
I'm sure that they totally understand why their party has been losing election after election, they just don't care what happens to the party.
After dropping Dean's 50 state strategy, the DP started losing more seats to the republicans. When they didn't change course and re-work his strategy back in and continued losing more seats at the federal and state levels as well as governorships, that showed me that they didn't care what happened to their party.
Anyone who lost their seats could just become a lobbyist or other jobs like that and they pay much more than $174,000 a year.
They just won't allow the party to move too far to the left.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Yup, and then, when the Repukes
finally get their shit together and call for that Constitutional Convention that cements in their libertarian wet dream, and people really start to see the full horror of that, why these slimy bastards will, once again, present themselves as our saviors, and voters will believe them because there will be NO OTHER CHOICE. I think our Dems are now playing the long game of the Koch's, and this is just another part of their strategy. I hope to hell I am wrong and over reacting, but I think that more every day when I watch these losers attempt their fake news spin about how they're "fighting" that ugly agenda.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
The Repigs don't need a convention.
Especially considering the fact that they control BOTH major political parties. Funny thing about Libertarians, though...they already have what they want: A government that is basically ineffectual except when it comes to the interests of billionaires, millionaires and corporations.
Besides, it's like Dubya said, the constitution's just a god damned piece of paper. Why bother with a convention, election or even a constitution when government can be bought instead? That's the lesson the Kochs learned in 1980 when David ran as VP for the Libertarians.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Billary (and Daily Kos) in a nutshell.
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Just imagine Bart Simpson as Bernie Sanders and Homer as Billary.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
LMFAO!
The real SparkyGump has passed. It was an honor being your human.
Does anyone know how much campaign debt Clinton has?
You don't suppose this whole book tour thing has nothing to do with any ongoing political ambitions, but simply to get the rubes to open their wallets one last time? Or is campaign debt something that belongs to a limited liability entity and she can just walk away from it if she doesn't run for anything again?
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Interesting question.
Just finished "Shattered" (I'm probably going to refer this book a lot, lol) and one of the running themes is Robby Mook's reluctance to spend any money. This pops up time and time again where people in the campaign complain about being cash starved because Mook won't open the purse. So, my question is where did the money go? Something doesn't add up.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Even a little cash late...
in MI & WI might have made a big difference.
The state parties were howling for help, but Mook told them the campaign's numbers were solid.
Wouldn't it be something if the final nail in Hillary's Presidential coffin was hammered in by her own greed in lining her pockets at the expense of her campaign?
Corruption truly does end up eating itself.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Heel turn.
They're turning Hillary heel...perhaps. Maybe to feud with the face Bernie Sanders, who can then extend his credibility to people like Kamala Harris.
It's all about the policy. Until an actual bill promoting actual good policy gets passed--and, when subjected to a careful examination, contains no poison pills--it's all image politics. Credibility mining. Like pro wrestling, but with a much uglier edge.
Bernie of last year was the last time for me that I would base anything on perceptions of whether a politician was good or bad...until that actual bill gets passed. At that point, I might pay some attention. Reconsider.
Look at it this way: we set them up in 2009 to be able to transform the country. They didn't pass anything worth talking about then. Just Romneycare. Oh, and the stimulus. I suppose I should be grateful they did anything at all to stop the economic freefall the country was in.
That tells me enough about the Democrats to be going on with.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Lily Ledbetter!
That one never gets old...!
@FutureNow I considered
I considered mentioning Lily Ledbetter, but I just didn't have the heart. Years of cheering on the fact that women now have longer to file sexual harassment suits.
Yay.
Well, that's what a progressive victory looks like these days, folks! Thanks for playing.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
There are two important Obama NLRB decisions that did help
workers. One was the NLRB decision to shorten the timeline for representation elections.
http://www.lathropgage.com/newsletter-138.html
The other important one for which Republicans have rolled out bills to change is the NLRB joint employer decision.
http://thehill.com/regulation/labor/252124-obama-administration-issues-c...
I am no way an Obama fan as generally the neo-liberal economic policies wrecked havoc on the 99% but I know people here like to have as much information as possible to form opinions.
Those are 2 I thought of and dug out source information. But beyond that I totally agree Dems are playing their part in this big charade.
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
@WIProgressive Well, yes. His
Well, yes. His administration also raised CAFE standards. Fuel efficiency is a good thing.
There's a few good things here and there one can find, if sufficiently motivated, and it's fair to mention them. None of them is what was really needed, and none of them, obviously, makes up for all the awful shit he did, shit which he led us to believe he was running against, since most of it had already been done by George W. Bush.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Agreed! Well short of the hope & change I voted for in 2008!
O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.
Strong possibility.
You and I have shared wresting analogies before and I really feel there's truth in them. At the very least, this bill sure feels like it's designed to give some progressive cred and an association with Bernie to people who have no desire in this actually passing or any desire to support progressive causes.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
That said, if you can find anything
that links Hillary to Kamala Harris--or any of these hopefuls--so as to counteract the Bernie makeover, that would be useful.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
How about this?
http://www.essence.com/2015/04/17/hillary-clinton-hires-kamala-harris-si...
"Hillary Clinton Hires Kamala Harris' Sister as Top Policy Adviser"
or this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251498178
or this: http://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala-harris-added-former-hillary-clinto...
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
@Steven D Excellent work, Steven
Excellent work, Steven.
I didn't know the connections would be so blatant.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Steven D Although the fact that
Although the fact that she's hiring someone from Clinton's communications team is laughable. It's like hiring that DNC field director guy. Why would you ever hire those people to do anything remotely involving PR?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Maybe if you'd been promised big bonuses to ensure that the corruption was so blatant that the Repubs plausibly got that majority required for that Constitutional rewrite?
Many of the donors - such as the Koch brothers - are shared by both wings of the Corporate Vampire Party, that evidently being why these wings now publicly appear to be merging in one giant love-fest, at least as far as such as the Bushes, Kissinger, etc. are concerned, as well as the same overall agendas as their paymasters.
But the lackeys in the know (I'd expect including higher-level campaign staff,) would have to be both kept sweet and kept close to prevent any leaking, I would think, and as far as I can recall, (I'm pretty darned tired) the Clinton faction are not known for their loyalty to and respect for their lackeys.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Impeach Hillary Clinton
Courtesy of Crooks and Liars. Trump supporters who sign a petition to impeach Hillary. The fun starts at 2 minutes:
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
CNN Panel with Anderson Cooper
AC did an interview with her. She seemed more relaxed, but unlike Jane Pauley who came across in her interview of HC as a long lost friend (sort of echoing Steven D's point in a sense), he asked her more details about Comey and the Russiagate investigation. I don't know whom she has been talking to, but she sure was out to smear Assange and wikileaks, and the media buys into that narrative that he's now the front man for Putin. I'm still looking for a good YT of that interview.
But what was interesting was the panel discussion which followed. Gloria Borger, Carl Bernstein, and some other fellow (his name escapes me) pontificated (or bloviated, your choice) about Clinton and her book. While they discussed the vagaries, they also surprised me a little, and maybe this too fits Steven's narrative a bit. I'm including a clip from that panel discussion. They were somewhat sympathetic, but not as much as I thought they would be. Bernstein, who knows Clinton and her circle, gave the best insights of the night. Borger always defends Clinton out of friendship, but tonight she was less emphatic. The other fellow was spot on about how Sanders really got under Clinton's skin.
My guess is that Maddow tomorrow is going to allow Clinton to continue her tirade about Sanders. We'll see if Maddow is empathetic or if she does it like Ezra Klein did in his interview, sounding wonky and avoiding the pointed questions the person in that restaurant (back to Steven's block quote) thought should be queried of Clinton. And will they finally wave adios to Clinton in her long goodbye?
Clinton will not like being dismissed that easily, but she has her squirrels, Joy Ann Reid, Armando, Daou, a couple of staffers, and Markos to keep Clinton's liberation (or whatever that means to those 50+) and Bernie disdain alive on twitter. Clearly she despises Sanders almost as much as Comey.
One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
Thanks for that video
Very telling.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Accidental duplicate
Sorry about that. Hopefully the other one is still around.
One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
Oh, "Poison!!!"
Thanks for making Alice part of the conversation. Acknowledgment of good music makes a great point into a perfect one.
Signs Hillary Clinton is having a mental breakdown
Her and Jimmy both, heh. Love the great facial expressions by all on that show.
Signs Hillary Clinton Is Having A Mental Breakdown
Call the waahmbulance for bankrupt Clinton. Give her money money money right now darn it. Where is Stuart
SmileySmalley when ya need him? lol c'mon Franken what are ya paid for?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar
good luck
Edit: LOL I mixed these two up:
Walmart Smiley
Stuart Smalley
I don't think she'll run again
But....I can't see the Billary Clintons leaving the leadership circle of the democratic party. Their fundraising prowess will ensure that. They are the seasoned wise ones now. They "know" the reasons the coronation was side tracked, and I think they're grooming Chelsea "I'm with her2" for a run for something in a couple of years. The party is still trying to look progressive without actually doing anything,and with Schumer Pelosi that's going to be the pose. I imagine a lot of the recent supporters of MFA are on board because they're 100% sure it won't pass.
True that is exactly why they are on board
I don't trust the Dems co-sponsoring the bill one bit. They are all people angling for the nomination in 2020 or worried about their electoral chances in 2018. On the other hand, the fact that Sanders has gotten them to go public will come in handy when they try to walk it back come the 2020 primary. And Sanders isn't going to stop campaigning on this issue just because a few Dems are nominally on board.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Credibility mining
What an apt term in describing modern politics.
Thanks CSTMS.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
@earthling1 You're welcome.
You're welcome.
They're stripping it out of every place they can find.
They've finally figured out Hillary is such a heat-sink that no amount of credibility mining will be enough. Now they're trying to do to her what she and others wanted to do to Trump (once he got in office, which I don't think was the plan): put all the faults of many thousands of corrupt people on one horrible individual's head. That way the system, and all those people, can walk away with clean hands, while the one horrible individual is excoriated. If anybody objects, just say "But Individual X is horrible!"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well, if you want to know how little the Elites like Hillary
they've started leaking the Clinton Dirt.
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-immigration-children-daca-661952
CNN/Newsweek/TimeWarner released an interview where she was saying "Send back the Children, Make them march through 100 Miles of desert and be raped and enslaved..."
I guess that was before Children became the theme of her campaign.