@Big Al
Comparable perhaps to the Israeli right, but not even we are so transparent in our dictatorial proclivities.

Check this out.

"Previously released court papers reveal that the Saudis had threatened the UK with an increase in terror attacks if the government of former Prime Minister Tony Blair chose to move forward with a corruption investigation concerning sales of arms to the Gulf nation.
Blair subsequently halted the inquiry."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47198.htm

That was from the Guardian no less.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/15/bae.armstrade

@snoopydawg The Deep State:
an easy-to-read book by David Talbot, called "The Devil's Chessboard - Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government.

It's been around for quite awhile. And if you read about Adams and Jefferson, lots of dirty stuff going on. It may be later as well, just haven't read the history in between.

This is a picture of him at the WH and laughing with Bush and Cheney on 9/12/2001. His name seems to pop up at the most convenient times and places when there is an terrorists attack. There were many of the Bin Laden family in New York at the time of the attack who were meeting with papa Bush and theirs was the only plane allowed to fly for 3 days after the attacks. He was an ambassador for Saudi Arabia during the Bush1, the Clinton and Bush II's administrations. They sure look worried after the attacks the day before, don't they? Very worried for the country after 3,000 people had been killed and 3 buildings were destroyed.

You mentioned the 28 pages that were not made public for 15 years and they were just released last year. I did a search for them and most of the articles I read say that there isn't any solid proof that the Saudis were complicit in the attacks. Just lots and lots of information that pretty much says that yes it looks like the Saudis or at least Bandar (Bush) was financing the terrorists who for years were in this country leading up to the attacks on 911, but nothing solid. Some of the information was blocked out, so they are still hiding something. Some of the families who had family members want to sue the Saudis for their supporting the terrorists and that the Saudis threatened us that if Obama released them, they would take their money and go home. He released them and made sure that some of the information was still not allowed to be seen. Hmmm, that seems suspicious, doesn't it?

Senator Bob Graham was on the senate investigation team and wanted them to be released.
He wrote a book about the attacks and this is some of what he wrote.

Here is an excerpt from Senator Graham’s statement from the July 24, 2003 congressional record on the classified 27 pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11: “The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured [sic]….The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”

~~snip~~

In his book Graham reveals, “Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.” He then cites another case, “We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with two of the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.”

~~snip~~

What Graham is trying to establish in his book and previous public statements in this regard, and doing so under state imposed ‘secrecy and classification’, is that the classification and cover up of those 27 pages is not about protecting ‘U.S. national security, methods of intelligence collection, or ongoing investigations,’ but to protect certain U.S. allies. Meaning, our government put the interests of certain foreign nations and their U.S. beneficiaries far above its own people and their interests. While Saudi Arabia has been specifically pointed to by Graham, other countries involved have yet to be identified.

Hmm, I wonder which other country is yet to be named. I have a guess for one of the other country, just don't have any proof.
Hijacking the Nation

This is a good article that links Bandar to the 9/11 attacks and how they found a phone on that has Bandar's phone number on it. Much, much more information in this article.

The connection to Bandar was made through Zubaydah's phone book, retrieved during the Pakistani raid in which he was taken. In it, the FBI found numbers linked to the United States, including an unlisted number for a company that managed Bandar's estate in Aspen, Colorado. An unlisted number was also found for a bodyguard who worked at the Saudi Embassy in Washington.

Bandar and the link to 9/11
So you can see why Bush decided to attack Saudi Arabia Afghanistan because they harbored and supported Al Qaida, not the country that evidence shows who had supported the terrorists. Just like president Johnson who covered up Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. But that's another story.

Does anyone remember Sibel Edmonds who had lots of information regarding who helped sponsor the terrorists while they were in the country? She was gagged by our government because she had lots of information about that? She created a website called The Boiling Frogs.
Her website has information about a lot of topics, including the Seth Rich murder.
The Boiling Frog

I know this is off topic, but it relates to the recent discussion about the Deep State. I have seen this information on other websites that talks about the Deep State.
The Deep State

Good question:

A cui bono thing,

@snoopydawg and his wife went to Washington where they were to meet their daughter(s) and were picked up and detained by the FBI.

The source for this story is the Tampa Bay Times.

And then he told us about the day in 2011 when he and Adele were heading to the Washington, D.C., area to spend Thanksgiving with one of their daughters.

As they stepped off an airplane at Dulles International Airport, two FBI agents approached and asked the Grahams to accompany them to a nearby agency office.

Graham had not informed the FBI that he was traveling to the Washington area and to this day does not know how they knew where he planned to spend Thanksgiving or what airplane he would be aboard.

Because Graham had been asking for the release of more information regarding the 9/11 high jackers, he thought that perhaps that was the reason why he and his wife were picked up at the airport by the FBI even though they were on personal business. What happened after they were picked up was disconcerting. Mrs. Graham was isolated in a windowless room and Bob Graham was escorted into an "interview" with the number two guy at the FBI.

I strongly recommend everyone read the rest of his story. It serves as a reminder of the power of the deep state.

Bob Graham was the Senator who warned those who voted for the Iraq War that "the blood would be on their hands."

This is a picture of him at the WH and laughing with Bush and Cheney on 9/12/2001. His name seems to pop up at the most convenient times and places when there is an terrorists attack. There were many of the Bin Laden family in New York at the time of the attack who were meeting with papa Bush and theirs was the only plane allowed to fly for 3 days after the attacks. He was an ambassador for Saudi Arabia during the Bush1, the Clinton and Bush II's administrations. They sure look worried after the attacks the day before, don't they? Very worried for the country after 3,000 people had been killed and 3 buildings were destroyed.

You mentioned the 28 pages that were not made public for 15 years and they were just released last year. I did a search for them and most of the articles I read say that there isn't any solid proof that the Saudis were complicit in the attacks. Just lots and lots of information that pretty much says that yes it looks like the Saudis or at least Bandar (Bush) was financing the terrorists who for years were in this country leading up to the attacks on 911, but nothing solid. Some of the information was blocked out, so they are still hiding something. Some of the families who had family members want to sue the Saudis for their supporting the terrorists and that the Saudis threatened us that if Obama released them, they would take their money and go home. He released them and made sure that some of the information was still not allowed to be seen. Hmmm, that seems suspicious, doesn't it?

Senator Bob Graham was on the senate investigation team and wanted them to be released.
He wrote a book about the attacks and this is some of what he wrote.

Here is an excerpt from Senator Graham’s statement from the July 24, 2003 congressional record on the classified 27 pages of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11: “The most serious omission, in my view, is part 4 of the report, which is entitled Finding, Discussion and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters. Those 27 pages have almost been entirely censured [sic]….The declassified version of this finding tells the American people that our investigation developed information suggesting specific sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers while they were in the United States. In other words, officials of a foreign government are alleged to have aided and abetted the terrorist attacks on our country on September 11, which took over 3,000 lives.”

~~snip~~

In his book Graham reveals, “Our investigators found a CIA memo dated August 2, 2002, whose author concluded that there is incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government. On September 11, America was not attacked by a nation-state, but we had just discovered that the attackers were actively supported by one, and that state was our supposed friend and ally Saudi Arabia.” He then cites another case, “We had discovered an FBI asset who had a close relationship with two of the terrorists; a terrorist support network that went through the Saudi Embassy; and a funding network that went through the Saudi Royal family.”

~~snip~~

What Graham is trying to establish in his book and previous public statements in this regard, and doing so under state imposed ‘secrecy and classification’, is that the classification and cover up of those 27 pages is not about protecting ‘U.S. national security, methods of intelligence collection, or ongoing investigations,’ but to protect certain U.S. allies. Meaning, our government put the interests of certain foreign nations and their U.S. beneficiaries far above its own people and their interests. While Saudi Arabia has been specifically pointed to by Graham, other countries involved have yet to be identified.

Hmm, I wonder which other country is yet to be named. I have a guess for one of the other country, just don't have any proof.
Hijacking the Nation

This is a good article that links Bandar to the 9/11 attacks and how they found a phone on that has Bandar's phone number on it. Much, much more information in this article.

The connection to Bandar was made through Zubaydah's phone book, retrieved during the Pakistani raid in which he was taken. In it, the FBI found numbers linked to the United States, including an unlisted number for a company that managed Bandar's estate in Aspen, Colorado. An unlisted number was also found for a bodyguard who worked at the Saudi Embassy in Washington.

Bandar and the link to 9/11
So you can see why Bush decided to attack Saudi Arabia Afghanistan because they harbored and supported Al Qaida, not the country that evidence shows who had supported the terrorists. Just like president Johnson who covered up Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. But that's another story.

Does anyone remember Sibel Edmonds who had lots of information regarding who helped sponsor the terrorists while they were in the country? She was gagged by our government because she had lots of information about that? She created a website called The Boiling Frogs.
Her website has information about a lot of topics, including the Seth Rich murder.
The Boiling Frog

I know this is off topic, but it relates to the recent discussion about the Deep State. I have seen this information on other websites that talks about the Deep State.
The Deep State

Good question:

A cui bono thing,

@CB
it's too bad that they don't just do their dirty work in the countries that TPTB wants them to overthrow leaders, they also use themselves for getting back at their leader's' civilians. That is what happened in Paris, Brussels, Nice and twice in the U.K..
How much longer until the rubes wake up and see what is going on?
The terrorists in Paris and Brussels told them that it was blowback from the U.K. government's involvement in the Middle East wars after watching their families had been killed.

religion as a weapon in hybrid war.

I believe the US will use their "Jihadi Express" against the Russian backed Chinese OBOR initiative. The OBOR is the greatest threat to US global hegemonic imperialism that has ever existed. Over half the world's population live along this "road" and these undeveloped countries have the potential for phenomenal economic growth rates. They also contain most of the world's resources for the special minerals and metals required for today's high tech commodities - especially those required for producing renewable energy and high efficiency transportation.

If you look at the following map, you will notice how American military interventions in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Eastern Europe pose barriers to the OBOR initiative.

http://www.merics.org/en/merics-analysis/china-mapping/china-mapping/

What's the chances of the US capitulating to a multi-polar world without resorting to full scale war if their "Jihadi Express" fails to stop non-compliant countries from falling out of their orbit? The US was never a fair player in global politics nor economics. It's always been "a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs".

Washington’s “Jihadi Express”: Indonesia – Afghanistan – Syria – Philippines
June 9, 2017
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For years, both of us have been studying a complex web produced by Western imperialism – a web, which has literally destroyed entire countries, while locking other ones ‘behind bars’, in virtual neo-colonialist slavery. All this done in the name of ‘freedom’ and democracy, naturally, and often using various religions as tools, even as weapons.
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While the name ‘jihad’ itself has been used habitually and ‘liberally’ all over the Western mainstream media, it was clear to all of us at the table that behind the brutal combat as well as most of the horrors unleashed in such places like Syria and Philippines, hidden are the geopolitical interests of the West in general and of the United States in particular.
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In reality, the West has always been using (and finally it has managed to divert) Islam. Some great Muslim scholars, including those that I met in Teheran, actually believe that Washington, London, Paris and other centers of the Western imperialism and neo-colonialism, actually succeeded, in many parts of the world, to create a totally new and (to many true and intellectual Muslims) unrecognizable religion.
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Jihadi Express is now rolling, gaining speed. One country after another is being ripped to pieces under its merciless wheels.

Those who think that it is “all about oil” are mistaken. The West is of course trying to control, fully and brutally, all that moves in the Middle East, North Africa and as far as Iran and Afghanistan. But that’s definitely not all: jihadi groups, created by the West and its allies in the Gulf, have been used to destabilize the two greatest adversaries of the West: Russia and China.
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