New Info in Seth Rich Case Updated

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 5:38pm

Note: I am updating this to add an incredible article published by Caitlyn Johnstone just two hours ago. I will link it here and below where I have excerpted two paragraphs from it . I urge everyone to read her article.

I have been waiting to see if anyone else had seen this and done an essay on it because the Twitterverse is exploding with a huge new revelation in the Seth Rich case.

Kim Dotcom has come out with this shocker.

If Congress includes #SethRich case into their Russia probe I'll give written testimony with evidence that Seth Rich was @Wikileaks source.

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 19, 2017

It was promptly followed by this tweet.

How do you think I knew?https://t.co/toLOtlXrxj https://t.co/KEWXP2oF1D

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 19, 2017

Sean Hannity, of all people, jumped on that tweet.

I'm the evidence!! https://t.co/w9WHrC4yW8

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

It was this tweet earlier today that seemed to make the Twitterverse explode.

I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved. https://t.co/MbGQteHhZM

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

Immediately followed by this tweet.

I'm meeting my legal team on Monday. I will issue a statement about #SethRich on Tuesday. Please be patient. This needs to be done properly.

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) May 20, 2017

For those who may be confused about all this, HA Goodman does a very good analysis of it in this video that he made this afternoon.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PENauWbAac]

If this all is true, then this is the bombshell that kills the Russia narrative that the Democratic party and the MSM have been pushing.

Update: Sunday May 21, 2017, 12:50 pm

Caitlyn Johnstone must be thinking in the same terms I was when I wrote this essay. She analyzes Kim Dotcom's tweets and writing dating back to 2014. While like the rest of us, she does not know what he may have for us on Tuesday, she lays out a potential scenario in which the evidence he has is irrefutable and cannot be ignored.

If however you are open to the possibility that your government is lying to you with the help of the mass media, it’s not hard to imagine how a man with a tech background who is frustrated with the manipulations of the Democratic establishment might seek out the help of a powerful, well-connected internet sage in figuring out how best to use the documents he had access to for shedding the light of truth on a profoundly corrupt organization.

She goes through much of what we have learned about Seth Rich and about Kim Dorcom's own fights against establishment authority leading to his own personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and the Democratic establishment. This leads to the nearly climatic paragraph in which Johnstone poses these questions.

What will happen if this all comes crashing down? If Kim Dotcom can show the world that Seth Rich was the one who leaked those documents? What will happen if the carpet is ripped out from underneath this massive house of cards that the American deep state has been blasting the public in the face with using its Washington pawns and the mass media?

Please read the rest of her article.

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Submitted by fight2bfree on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 5:51pm

Nice!

All that hyperventilating and breathless gasps of Russia!

Queue up the next diversionary tactic! Anything, anything other than talks about reforming the DP or the most widespread issues of single-payer, income inequality, etc.

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Submitted by jim p on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 10:27pm

Well, not just 'anything.'

@fight2bfree
It has to involve bombing SOMEONE. Really, anyone would do. Costa Roca, for instance, makes mock of our health care system.

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Submitted by Bollox Ref on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 5:58pm

For his health's sake

Mr. Dotcom should avoid small planes for a while.

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from a reasonably stable genius.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:22pm

He lives outside the US

@Bollox Ref in New Zealand. Apparently he felt safe enough to reveal this. Kim Dotcom is extremely well known on line too.

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Submitted by Bollox Ref on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:26pm

New Zealand is part of the Five Eyes Alliance

@gulfgal98

I'm sure something could be 'arranged', if need be.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:34pm

I understand but

@Bollox Ref Kim Dotcom is a big tech guy so I am sure he has a backup plan for the info already in place.

At some point, the DNC (Clinton) narrative will fall apart. But the more immediate issue is that proof will kill the Russia narrative, at least in this case.

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Submitted by Bollox Ref on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:38pm

No, I agree

@gulfgal98

I've known of him for a while. Just hope he enjoys a long life.

The Clintons and friends can get very upset if things don't go their way.

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from a reasonably stable genius.

Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 7:07pm

Where's the proof?

@gulfgal98

I don't see any proof. To me this looks more like a wild goose chase than anything else. Wishful thinking amplified X 1000.

Of course I would be happy to be proven wrong.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 9:12pm

Well, after all, he is admitting to having hacked an election,

@native

an attack on America and democracy that the blood of the fallen begs us to punish--and Trump colluded in it.

Oh wait, it was only DNC emails -- nothing to do with hacking or elections, let alone attacks.

Kidding aside, short of a confession by Rich, which we can't get at this point, what would be proof? This guy foretold something was in the works and he is claiming he participated in some way. Knowing the Clintons, the DNC and how much power and money was lost to them in November, would you claim that falsely?

Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 9:55pm

I don't know, maybe emails between

@HenryAWallace

Rich and Kim Dotccom, or between Wikileaks and him? How do I know what evidence he might have? And if he has any, why isn't he sharing it? What I'm saying is, that I've seen no evidence whatsoever to support his claims. All I've seen so far, are his cryptic and unsubstantiated tweets. And I don't think that internet rumor-mongering serves anyone well.

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Submitted by Steven D on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 10:35pm

I agree

@native athe runors regarding the Russian hack should stop immediately.

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Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 11:04pm

Well it would be nice if they did stop,

@Steven D

but they won't. It would also be nice if unproven allegations against the Clintons would stop, but they won't stop either. And there is no way that the msm can be trusted to sort out fact from fiction any more. Ergo, the public is left in a real pickle.

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native

Submitted by SnappleBC on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 10:43pm

I completely agree

@native

The fact that he wanted to testify under oath is compelling but we haven't heard anything. He's saying a press release will go out Tuesday. Like you, I want to wait for evidence. That's the line I took with Russia-Gate and Syria so it seems like a fine approach to take here.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 11:27pm

@native

@native

Ummmm, somebody thought by credible witnesses to have been the leaker of these documents has already been murdered.

A Podesta email has included a reference to 'making an example of' a suspected leaker, which is thought by many to refer to this murder.

Hillary has previously asked why they 'couldn't just drone Julian Assange' in what's been described as what sounded like a generally uncomfortable moment at a meeting about this leak, (a meeting possibly rather like the one which I believe was posted/linked to here, one where strategists suggested the 'Russian hack'-blame tactic along with a vast number of others, all used at various times to excuse Hillary not being coronated President, due to eagerly courted Super Delegates deciding against Her by that point?) and there could be concerns about retribution being visited upon the leaker's family.

So, one would expect silence from those not yet known to be concerned with the matter unless something like the avoidance of this 'Russian hacker' strategy being used by The Psychopaths That Be to explode Earth for MIC profit, starting with Russia, was felt to be an urgent need.

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Submitted by native on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 12:05am

Your evidence to convict Hillary

@Ellen North

of murdering Seth Rich may be persuasive to some on this site, but it wouldn't stand up for a minute in an impartial court of law. As any Prosecutor worth his salt would advise, you do not want to go to trial until you've got all your ducks lined up in a row. I think we are far from being in that advantageous position at this point.

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native

Submitted by Ellen North on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:54am

@native

@native

Actually, that was in response to your comment wondering why Kim hadn't come forward as a witness/participant with evidence until now, outlining some reasons as to why anyone might not want to come forward, exposing themselves to the world as a witness, unless s/he had to, not 'to convict Hillary' and not offered in a court of law.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by Wink on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 11:44am

There's enough. This guy

@native
wouldn't have said he had his ducks in a row all over the tubes if he didn't. Hilary's excuse that the Russians stole her election is a dead duck.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:09am

I don't think sharing something that has just come to one's

@native

attention is rumor-mongering. If it is, everyone in the world has been doing it since the snake sidled up to Eve to tell her she'd benefit from eating fruit. People on TV get paid big bucks to do it 24/7. It's all in the way it's presented, which is up to the presenter, and the way it's received, which is up to the receiver. And along the line, both presenters and receivers will err. As far as the presenter of this info, gulfgal began closing her essay with "If all this is true..." so I don't think she sensationalized it or vouched for it.

As far as emails between Rich and dotcom, if I were seeking someone to help me with a download of my employer's emails and making them public via wikileaks--or whatever Rich may or may not have contacted dotcom about--I don't think I'd want to leave email evidence of my plan, or any kind of paper trail. I'd call, and probably from a burner. (Why yes, I did see The Bourne Identity. Why do you ask?) I'd want to keep all evidence of my involvement as far from all that in every way I could possibly think of and manage.

Only time will tell whether we will hear more from dotcom as he claims we will, and, if so, what we may hear.

Submitted by irishking on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 7:50am

He shows a lot of guts, imo. (+++)

@gulfgal98

he is doing this after what happened to Assange.

so 1. dumb
2. crazy
3. guts

must wait for the facts, as always.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 12:13am

I found this link on kos4sanders about Dotcom

@Bollox Ref
apparently the USA wanted him extradited from New Zealand because he pirated tons of music, videos and tv shows which they claim amounted to $500 million.
The NZ special police raided his compound, arrested him and confiscated his bank accounts.

Across an ocean, hours before Operation Takedown began, the US Department of Justice had already tipped off a select group of journalists about the raid’s planned highlights. If you know nothing else about Kim Dotcom, about the federal case against him and his former online business, Megaupload, you’ve probably heard about the raid. The story played out like a Hollywood blockbuster. And it was a great story.

https://www.wired.com/2012/10/ff-kim-dotcom/

In the US civil forfeiture case, which was brought 18 months after the initial criminal charges brought against Dotcom and Megaupload, prosecutors outlined why the New Zealand seizure of Dotcom’s assets on behalf of the American government was valid. Seized items include millions of dollars in various seized bank accounts in Hong Kong and New Zealand, multiple cars, four jet skis, the Dotcom mansion, several luxury cars, two 108-inch TVs, three 82-inch TVs, a $10,000 watch, and a photograph by Olaf Mueller worth over $100,000.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/court-us-seizure-of-kim-dotc...
Here's the video from his website that shows the raid. At the start of the video, Chris Dodd (ex congress member who left congress under a cloud of suspicion for making tons of money from receiving subprime loans from Countrywide and becoming a lobbyist for the movie industry. And since Obama needed money from Hollywood for his re-election, authorized the raid on Dotcom's compound)
Good ole Barack, people in high places could always count on him to make sure that they are either protected from prosecution or getting their money back from anyone who gets in their way of profits.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:12am

I may be wrong but

@snoopydawg @snoopydawg the raid was not so much because he personally pirated music and videos (which he may have done), but it was moreso because he had created the platform by which others (millions) could do so. It is far easier to shut down the proprietor than go after the all the users individually.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:21am

Isn't copyright violation officially classed as terrorism now?

@snoopydawg

So be just as careful about a Mickey Mouse hat knock off as you would be about ~~joking in airports~~ planting a in Times Square or you might find yourself seeking asylum in an Ecuadorean embassy to avoid going to Gitmo (or, as we now know it, Yemen West).

After all, the U.S. is very strong on "defense."

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:43pm

@gulfgal98 Of all the English

@gulfgal98 Of all the English-speaking countries, he's probably safest in NZ, but none of those countries is particularly safe for people doing this kind of work.

Cross your fingers.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:43pm

@Bollox Ref No kidding!

@Bollox Ref No kidding!

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
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Submitted by gustogirl on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 1:25am

They have such a lock on the media

@Bollox Ref
that the problem is how to get this out there.

Submitted by Steven D on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 6:45am

Unfortunately,

@Bollox Ref .not 1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 and I'm not referring to the Clinton Body Count here which is ridiculous and believable, there is a ton of evidence of Clinton scandals especially by Hillary while she was Secretary of State.

The DNC and Podesta emails alone reveal many of the facts that support those scandals but so do stories that appeared in the NY Times and Wsshington Post, among others. She, her foundation and Bill had extensive ties with an assortment of oligarchs and transnational companies for which favors were done by the Department of State after or shortly before the Clinton Foundation received massive donations from banks, oil companies, foreign countries and wealthy individuals. This has been well documented.

One of the worst, of course, was what the Clintons and their foundation (put in charge by our state department under Hillary) did to Haiti after the earthquake.

https://theintercept.com/liveblogs/thirddebate/the-clinton-foundations-w...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-213110

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/haiti-factory-big-money-state-department-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/hillary-clinton-cheryl-mills.html?...

http://cepr.net/blogs/haiti-relief-and-reconstruction-watch/clinton-e-ma...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/protesters-gather-at-clinton-foundation-to...

https://www.thenation.com/article/haitians-are-rising-up-against-the-sto...

http://nypost.com/2016/11/05/the-clinton-foundations-off-the-books-20-mi...

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/655278.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/role-of-hillary-clintons-brother...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c2oBh1yDhc

https://shadowproof.com/2016/10/19/foia-records-reveal-clues-clinton-cor...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fobs-hillarys-state-dept-gave-special-att...

http://sentinel.ht/2017/02/06/clinton-foundation-quits-haiti/

And this was but once scandal during her time as Secretary of State in which the Clinton Foundation was involved in generating favorable treatment for those donors.

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Submitted by irishking on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:01am

what Clintons did in Haiti was a shame.

@Steven D

thx.

If Sanders actualy had been running for President we would have heard a lot about this topic.

In particular we would have had a group of Haitian witnesses to follow Her all over the South. Let John Lewis spin their stories to the AA community.

The Sanders campaign was so inept. But then it was a fake, wasn't it?

"Yes,dear."

Submitted by dervish on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 10:45am

It wasn't fake

@irishking but frankly no one expected we'd come so far. The trouble was that the southern primaries were stacked up on the early side, and we weren't ready.

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Submitted by Wink on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 11:56am

No, it wasn't.

@irishking
I suspect Bernie chose not to burn a fellow Dem. Wasn't Bernie's Team that was lame in this matter. It was our beloved MSM, who also chose to give Hillary a pass.
Dan Rather, back in the day, would have had her for lunch.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 8:10pm

@Wink

@Wink @Wink @Wink

A number of people have looked at the numbers, including eventually after-the-fact counted (but not included) votes, and concluded that despite the massive and record-level Dem voter suppression and other cheating, Bernie appeared to have likely won the Dem nomination anyway, so Bernie did actually win as far as votes cast/intended went, which would have been recognized in a clean election.

He'd said prior to actually running for the Dem nomination that he wouldn't unless it appeared that the support was there and he actually had a chance, which was why he did that fast tour before announcing.

Hilary has in the past repeatedly said, among Her immense and varied list for Her Royal Coronation general election loss blame rotation, that she won the popular vote but lost to the (edit: Electoral College), some of whom may admittedly have voted with the 'Anyone But The M.A.D. (Mutual Assured nuclear Destruction) Bomber' people, prior to the Russian blame theory (we must nuclear-attack for MIC/fossil fuel industry profit and ~~to hell with~~ make hell out of the planet!) gaining ascendance, but Her has never yet demanded an investigation of the Russian connections of the (edit: Electoral College) who ultimately voted not-for-Her.

Why should the evidently Russian-controlled (edit: Electoral College) get off scot-free when it was they who lost Hillary Her Turn?

Does this lack of Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media coverage of the Russian mole (edit: Electoral College) Not Voting for ~~War On The World~~ The MAD Bomber indicate that they, also, have been subverted by Russian influence and are Putin Puppets as well as is much of the country and world in not adoring Her?

I think an investigation into the Russian connections of the Not Voting For Clinton When It's Her Turn (edit: Electoral College) and the Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media which appear to be covering for them by failing to accuse them of said Russian influence should be loudly demanded by every right-minded American tired of chasing Russian agents out of their closets and under-bed dust-bunny collections.

Edited to capitalize letters where I'd missed and to remove an extra 'the' which the Russians must have snuck in there.

And massively edited as I somehow had Super Delegates stuck in my chemically-confused and over-tired head when trying to be funny. At least this bombing was less destructive than the nuclear stuff...

But seriously - if Hillary won the popular vote and the Electoral College was why she actually lost (for which I'll ever be grateful) - how come everyone else but is at fault and involved in a Russian plot to stop people voting for her, just because she's corrupt and a hazard and has already screwed the American and other people over for decades, which Trump has only been able to start doing en masse now?

If accusing the Electoral college of being a Russian tool is just too ludicrous - then why isn't the rest of it?

Why is her loss, due to Electoral College votes and despite winning the popular vote, an excuse for calls for massive internet censorship with hysterical and continuous propaganda about 'fake News and 'Russian hacking' apparently of the Electoral College exerted over the population instead?

Was this response planned in advance as an excuse for this, as well as for the Russian!!! attack, or is this just more opportunism?

Does this just strike me as funny in both senses because I react badly to petrochemicals used in home renovation which admittedly do scramble my brain pretty badly at times, as well as making me otherwise ill? This is quite possible, but I do recall Hillary protesting this early on, in the rotation of massively spread blame for Her loss which was applied, ironically enough, to Anyone But Hillary. Much like many voters, perhaps especially those who had already had their voting rights removed by Her faction.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 3:29pm

This excuse makes the least sense yet

@Ellen North
There are no "Superdelegates" in the GENERAL ELECTION.

So what is Her babbling about now? Is Her statement a veiled admission that she did not really win the Democratic primary? That she cheated, bullied and strong-armed her way into power just as many of us suspected? That she's a bigger fraud than the Trumposaurus ever dreamed of being?

#2.4.1.2 #2.4.1.2 #2.4.1.2

A number of people have looked at the numbers, including eventually after-the-fact counted (but not included) votes, and concluded that despite the massive and record-level Dem voter suppression and other cheating, Bernie appeared to have likely won the Dem nomination anyway, so Bernie did actually win as far as votes cast/intended went, which would have been recognized in a clean election.

He'd said prior to actually running for the Dem nomination that he wouldn't unless it appeared that the support was there and he actually had a chance, which was why he did that fast tour before announcing.

Hilary has in the past repeatedly said, among Her immense and varied list for Her Royal Coronation general election loss blame rotation, that she won the popular vote but lost to the (edit: Electoral College), some of whom may admittedly have voted with the 'Anyone But The M.A.D. (Mutual Assured nuclear Destruction) Bomber' people, prior to the Russian blame theory (we must nuclear-attack for MIC/fossil fuel industry profit and ~~to hell with~~ make hell out of the planet!) gaining ascendance, but Her has never yet demanded an investigation of the Russian connections of the (edit: Electoral College) who ultimately voted not-for-Her.

Why should the evidently Russian-controlled (edit: Electoral College) get off scot-free when it was they who lost Hillary Her Turn?

Does this lack of Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media coverage of the Russian mole (edit: Electoral College) Not Voting for ~~War On The World~~ The MAD Bomber indicate that they, also, have been subverted by Russian influence and are Putin Puppets as well as is much of the country and world in not adoring Her?

I think an investigation into the Russian connections of the Not Voting For Clinton When It's Her Turn (edit: Electoral College) and the Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media which appear to be covering for them by failing to accuse them of said Russian influence should be loudly demanded by every right-minded American tired of chasing Russian agents out of their closets and under-bed dust-bunny collections.

Edited to capitalize letters where I'd missed and to remove an extra 'the' which the Russians must have snuck in there.

And massively edited as I somehow had Super Delegates stuck in my chemically-confused and over-tired head when trying to be funny. At least this bombing was less destructive than the nuclear stuff...

But seriously - if Hillary won the popular vote and the Electoral College was why she actually lost (for which I'll ever be grateful) - how come everyone else but is at fault and involved in a Russian plot to stop people voting for her, just because she's corrupt and a hazard and has already screwed the American and other people over for decades, which Trump has only been able to start doing en masse now?

If accusing the Electoral college of being a Russian tool is just too ludicrous - then why isn't the rest of it?

Why is her loss, due to Electoral College votes and despite winning the popular vote, an excuse for calls for massive internet censorship with hysterical and continuous propaganda about 'fake News and 'Russian hacking' apparently of the Electoral College exerted over the population instead?

Was this response planned in advance as an excuse for this, as well as for the Russian!!! attack, or is this just more opportunism?

Does this just strike me as funny in both senses because I react badly to petrochemicals used in home renovation which admittedly do scramble my brain pretty badly at times, as well as making me otherwise ill? This is quite possible, but I do recall Hillary protesting this early on, in the rotation of massively spread blame for Her loss which was applied, ironically enough, to Anyone But Hillary. Much like many voters, perhaps especially those who had already had their voting rights removed by Her faction.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 7:07pm

@TheOtherMaven

@TheOtherMaven

Lol, sorry, I react badly to some of the chemicals to which I'm exposed during renovations and it seems to short-circuit my brain very badly at times.

Try to bear with me, and I'll try to shut up.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by Wink on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 10:47pm

huh? what? n/t

@Ellen North

#2.4.1.2 #2.4.1.2 #2.4.1.2

A number of people have looked at the numbers, including eventually after-the-fact counted (but not included) votes, and concluded that despite the massive and record-level Dem voter suppression and other cheating, Bernie appeared to have likely won the Dem nomination anyway, so Bernie did actually win as far as votes cast/intended went, which would have been recognized in a clean election.

He'd said prior to actually running for the Dem nomination that he wouldn't unless it appeared that the support was there and he actually had a chance, which was why he did that fast tour before announcing.

Hilary has in the past repeatedly said, among Her immense and varied list for Her Royal Coronation general election loss blame rotation, that she won the popular vote but lost to the (edit: Electoral College), some of whom may admittedly have voted with the 'Anyone But The M.A.D. (Mutual Assured nuclear Destruction) Bomber' people, prior to the Russian blame theory (we must nuclear-attack for MIC/fossil fuel industry profit and ~~to hell with~~ make hell out of the planet!) gaining ascendance, but Her has never yet demanded an investigation of the Russian connections of the (edit: Electoral College) who ultimately voted not-for-Her.

Why should the evidently Russian-controlled (edit: Electoral College) get off scot-free when it was they who lost Hillary Her Turn?

Does this lack of Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media coverage of the Russian mole (edit: Electoral College) Not Voting for ~~War On The World~~ The MAD Bomber indicate that they, also, have been subverted by Russian influence and are Putin Puppets as well as is much of the country and world in not adoring Her?

I think an investigation into the Russian connections of the Not Voting For Clinton When It's Her Turn (edit: Electoral College) and the Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media which appear to be covering for them by failing to accuse them of said Russian influence should be loudly demanded by every right-minded American tired of chasing Russian agents out of their closets and under-bed dust-bunny collections.

Edited to capitalize letters where I'd missed and to remove an extra 'the' which the Russians must have snuck in there.

And massively edited as I somehow had Super Delegates stuck in my chemically-confused and over-tired head when trying to be funny. At least this bombing was less destructive than the nuclear stuff...

But seriously - if Hillary won the popular vote and the Electoral College was why she actually lost (for which I'll ever be grateful) - how come everyone else but is at fault and involved in a Russian plot to stop people voting for her, just because she's corrupt and a hazard and has already screwed the American and other people over for decades, which Trump has only been able to start doing en masse now?

If accusing the Electoral college of being a Russian tool is just too ludicrous - then why isn't the rest of it?

Why is her loss, due to Electoral College votes and despite winning the popular vote, an excuse for calls for massive internet censorship with hysterical and continuous propaganda about 'fake News and 'Russian hacking' apparently of the Electoral College exerted over the population instead?

Was this response planned in advance as an excuse for this, as well as for the Russian!!! attack, or is this just more opportunism?

Does this just strike me as funny in both senses because I react badly to petrochemicals used in home renovation which admittedly do scramble my brain pretty badly at times, as well as making me otherwise ill? This is quite possible, but I do recall Hillary protesting this early on, in the rotation of massively spread blame for Her loss which was applied, ironically enough, to Anyone But Hillary. Much like many voters, perhaps especially those who had already had their voting rights removed by Her faction.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 8:33pm

@Wink

@Wink

Lol, sorry, got scrambled and somehow had Super Delegates rather than the Electoral College in there.

The point was supposed to be that if Hillary won the popular vote and did start off being upset about the Electoral College causing Trump to win, why are they virtually the only ones not being accused of being Putin Puppets?

Maybe this is just me scrambled with bad chemical reactions, but this strikes me as silly, since Her blames the voters For Making Her Lose while winning on a popular vote and now the voters have to be both censored and propagandized To Keep America Safe From Democracy?

And I thought it made a good point against the Russian hack!!! insanity in that, following that line of unreasoning, the Electoral College must have been hacked or, like many voters, 'influenced' by knowing enough about Hillary to want to run screaming, (the latter being true, in many cases, although generally as a pre-existing condition) and there's certainly just as much 'proof' of that as of any other 'Russian hacking' claim.

Although that of providing 'electoral influence' by providing factual news reports may actually have some merit. Claiming the latter as an act of war is getting into entirely new and Orwellian territory, though.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 1:56am

Electors?

@Ellen North Was the reference to Super Delegates meant to be Electors, as in the Electoral College?

As far as I know almost all of the Electors voted the way they were supposed to (in other words, Electors from states that went for Trump in the general voted for Trump in the EC). Here in WA State, which went for Clinton, we did have a couple of "rebels" who refused to vote for her in the EC, and under state law they faced a financial penalty for doing so. There may have been a few more rogue Electors across the country, but it wouldn't have been enough to flip the Electoral vote.

#2.4.1.2 #2.4.1.2 #2.4.1.2

A number of people have looked at the numbers, including eventually after-the-fact counted (but not included) votes, and concluded that despite the massive and record-level Dem voter suppression and other cheating, Bernie appeared to have likely won the Dem nomination anyway, so Bernie did actually win as far as votes cast/intended went, which would have been recognized in a clean election.

He'd said prior to actually running for the Dem nomination that he wouldn't unless it appeared that the support was there and he actually had a chance, which was why he did that fast tour before announcing.

Hilary has in the past repeatedly said, among Her immense and varied list for Her Royal Coronation general election loss blame rotation, that she won the popular vote but lost to the (edit: Electoral College), some of whom may admittedly have voted with the 'Anyone But The M.A.D. (Mutual Assured nuclear Destruction) Bomber' people, prior to the Russian blame theory (we must nuclear-attack for MIC/fossil fuel industry profit and ~~to hell with~~ make hell out of the planet!) gaining ascendance, but Her has never yet demanded an investigation of the Russian connections of the (edit: Electoral College) who ultimately voted not-for-Her.

Why should the evidently Russian-controlled (edit: Electoral College) get off scot-free when it was they who lost Hillary Her Turn?

Does this lack of Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media coverage of the Russian mole (edit: Electoral College) Not Voting for ~~War On The World~~ The MAD Bomber indicate that they, also, have been subverted by Russian influence and are Putin Puppets as well as is much of the country and world in not adoring Her?

I think an investigation into the Russian connections of the Not Voting For Clinton When It's Her Turn (edit: Electoral College) and the Clinton faction, spy agency and corporate media which appear to be covering for them by failing to accuse them of said Russian influence should be loudly demanded by every right-minded American tired of chasing Russian agents out of their closets and under-bed dust-bunny collections.

Edited to capitalize letters where I'd missed and to remove an extra 'the' which the Russians must have snuck in there.

And massively edited as I somehow had Super Delegates stuck in my chemically-confused and over-tired head when trying to be funny. At least this bombing was less destructive than the nuclear stuff...

But seriously - if Hillary won the popular vote and the Electoral College was why she actually lost (for which I'll ever be grateful) - how come everyone else but is at fault and involved in a Russian plot to stop people voting for her, just because she's corrupt and a hazard and has already screwed the American and other people over for decades, which Trump has only been able to start doing en masse now?

If accusing the Electoral college of being a Russian tool is just too ludicrous - then why isn't the rest of it?

Why is her loss, due to Electoral College votes and despite winning the popular vote, an excuse for calls for massive internet censorship with hysterical and continuous propaganda about 'fake News and 'Russian hacking' apparently of the Electoral College exerted over the population instead?

Was this response planned in advance as an excuse for this, as well as for the Russian!!! attack, or is this just more opportunism?

Does this just strike me as funny in both senses because I react badly to petrochemicals used in home renovation which admittedly do scramble my brain pretty badly at times, as well as making me otherwise ill? This is quite possible, but I do recall Hillary protesting this early on, in the rotation of massively spread blame for Her loss which was applied, ironically enough, to Anyone But Hillary. Much like many voters, perhaps especially those who had already had their voting rights removed by Her faction.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 8:37pm

@Centaurea

@Centaurea @Centaurea

Sorry, chemically induced brain farts and sleep disorders make a bad combination.

Clinton was claiming (edit: at one point, early on, among a lengthy list) that it was, of course, the Electoral College, which betrayed her, among the list of everyone else who was at fault.

So it would, of course, be the Electoral college controlled by Russians and voting for Trump.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Tue, 05/23/2017 - 9:00am

HER never did understand how US politics works

@Ellen North
I guess she's a "victim" of the gutted US educational system that replaced "civics" with "social studies" or with nothing. But if Her really wanted to know, there were and are plenty of ways of finding out.

Then again, HER seems to think it's enough to throw a tantrum and threaten to hold her breath until she turns blue.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Tue, 05/23/2017 - 2:20pm

@TheOtherMaven

@TheOtherMaven

Works on her vulnerable aides, I guess. Poor buggers... Don't think anything could really turn Her blue/Real-Dem, though, too much ego and greed to leave room for anything else.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:23am

Thank you for all those links! Bookmarked.

@Steven D

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 12:37pm

Heh, guess which site is upset with this

@Steven D

Saudis have also agreed to donate a whopping $100 million to the recently announced women's fund inspired by Jared Kushner’s wife, Ivanka Trump

Of course the comments are in the vein of " Yeah right, Saudi Arabia is a great supporter of women's rights." Well that is true.
But I wonder if they thought that the Saudis were that concerned about AIDS when they gave the Clinton foundation money to help fight it?

Submitted by on the cusp on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:05pm

Thanks for this, gulfgal.

This is historic.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 7:15pm

I would say

@on the cusp this could be historic

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:22pm

The emails...

aren't the only reason he was killed:

#SethRich's girlfriend's theory, in her own words why Seth was killed. A shadow DNC/HRC polling scheme designed to manufacture an HRC win. pic.twitter.com/nGjrO2e5UE

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There's a lot more to this story related to Rich's voter registration work.

The ballot replacement scam above is one more reason. The deregistration scam is another.

The guy just knew way too much.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:25pm

Yes!!!

@Not Henry Kissinger I agree on this too. It may not be provable, but if Kim Dotcom provides evidence, at least it may ~~kill~~ stunt the Russia narrative. For some reason, everything associated with the Clintons seems to have a zombie like status unless it is against them.

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Submitted by Not Henry Kissinger on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 9:39pm

I'm sure he'll connect a few more dots.

@gulfgal98

Whether he actually comes through will bullet proof evidence that links Rich with Wikileaks remains to be seen.

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Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 11:25pm

Yes, but only IF "Kim Dotcom" provides

@gulfgal98

credible evidence. That is a very big IF, in my opinion. Personally, I wouldn't trust that guy as far as I could throw him.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 6:52pm

Me too.

@native
Why does this guy have credibility? I have the heebie-geebies about this. It resembles the Bush machine destroying the Air National Guard story by leaking it with a discrediting detail.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 10:15am

What does the embedded text say? Can't read it at all

@Not Henry Kissinger

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Submitted by dkmich on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:23pm

Did you check out his website?

http://www.kim.com/

I checked out his followers on Twitter. If I'm reading things right, Jeremy Scahill, Cenk Uugur, and a few others of note follow him.

Strange times.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:26pm

Yes, I did, which is why

@dkmich I decided to post this. Kim Dotcom has credibility world wide.

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Submitted by boriscleto on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:33pm

The MSM will go after him with gusto

He ran a file sharing site that was used to traffic copyrighted materials and porn!

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:37pm

IMHO,

@boriscleto this will not be enough to discredit him. The American public is sick of the powers that be which is exactly why Trump won. I think they will look at this with a jaded eye, not toward Kim Dotcom, but toward the PTB.

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Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 11:37pm

Which is precisely why I do not WANT him to

@gulfgal98

be discredited. But if his information turns out to be fraudulent, as I suspect it might, it will have done far more harm than good.

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Submitted by Wink on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 12:07pm

Why, at this stage,

@native
would he present false or fraudulant info at this point? He or they has nothing to gain from it.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 6:57pm

Really?

@Wink
A guy with legal problems with the federal government? I can think of a person in that position providing fraudulent information in exchange for leniency or dismissal of charges. I know nothing about him, but questionable people coming forward with extraordinary information makes me uneasy.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 7:02pm

He does not live

@Linda Wood in the United States.

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Submitted by gustogirl on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 1:30am

hey, I was not involved! n/t

@boriscleto

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:34pm

Caitlyn covered the way the media has covered up

the Seth Rich story in this article.

The Trump-Russia collusion nonsense has marched on unabated while establishment pundits fan the flames, but the Seth Rich story has been aggressively and relentlessly stomped into the ground by a coordinated corporate media campaign aided by the propagandized masses who realize that the very real possibility of Seth Rich being the source of the DNC emails released by WikiLeaks spells the end of their Russiagate fun. If you have tried to mention Seth Rich in an open forum in the last couple of days, you were almost certainly set upon by multiple establishment loyalists bombarding you with links from CNN and the New York Times explaining why everyone needs to shut up about the murdered DNC analyst forever.

As someone wrote in a comment here, the DNC isn't a government organization so even if Russia did hack into their website, that doesn't qualify as interfering with the election. But people have taken this little snowball and made it into an avalanche.
What was disclosed in those emails was the conspiracy by the DNC, Hillary's campaign and the media to make sure that she won the primary and that she would be running against Trump.
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/propagandists-have-been-using-dishone...

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 7:02pm

Yes, I have been making this very point

@snoopydawg about the fact that the DNC is a private organization, so how is a supposed "hack" grounds for a military action?

As someone wrote in a comment here, the DNC isn't a government organization so even if Russia did hack into their website, that doesn't qualify as interfering with the election.

But I hope this new info does is tamp down the Russia narrative. I really wish it would kill it, but it is a Clinton zombie narrative...so.

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 9:03pm

Elementary, my dear gulf gal, elementary

@gulfgal98 Hellery is the [Evil] Queen, which makes her royalty. Thus, therefore and ergo, an attack upon Her Heinous is an attack upon the State.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 1:02am

gulfgal have you seen this article by Caitlyn?

@gulfgal98
She says the same thing about what we are discussing here about how important it is to find out how Wikileaks got the DNC emails.

Speaking for myself, I am glad that this information has been archived, seeing as all the escalations with Russia that have transpired since the November elections are dependent upon Seth Rich not having been the leaker. More and more reasons have been emerging for mainstream America to doubt the official stories they are being told by mainstream media outlets who we know for a fact have been promulgating unbelievably evil lies in order to manufacture consent for escalations with Russia and regime change in Syria, which necessarily go hand-in-hand as the two longtime allies are deeply militarily entangled.

Seth's Reddit posts have been edited or removed by either someone who works for Reddit or someone else who is covering their tracks.

This adds a great deal of weight to the argument that Rich was upset about the way Sanders was being cheated by the DNC and used his access as DNC Voter Expansion Director to pass Committee emails to late WikiLeaks director Gavin MacFadyen as an anonymous federal investigator is reported to have informed Fox News.

He was a huge panda fan and he set up the u/pandas4Bernie Reddit site and after his murder, one of the accounts that he used to post on went silent.
Hopefully someone will be able to find out if Seth was the one who gave them to Wikileaks because then the whole Russia interfered with the election crap will collapse and maybe people will finally wake up and see that our government has been lying to us. Again!
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/someone-just-edited-seth-richs-reddit...

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:23am

Yes!

@snoopydawg Caitlyn has been on fire lately. This is exactly why the Seth Rich story must be killed because the "Russia did it" narrative falls flat on its face.

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Submitted by LeChienHarry on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 6:29am

Screen capped? Best defense. n/t

@snoopydawg

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Submitted by irishking on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:13am

you got it. (++)

@snoopydawg

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:36pm

Weird duplicate

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:40pm

I am dubious, because

why in the hell would anyone tell Twitter before talking to their legal team? If this person is for real s/he is incredibly foolish and has endangered herself/himself.

It sounds way too lighthearted and whimsical "I'm the evidence!" "How did you think I knew?"

If this were for real, this would be a friend of Rich's who knows that he was murdered for leaking info Hillary didn't want leaked. I would expect a different tone, and certainly a different order of events (i.e., lawyers before public).

I hope this person, if for real and not a managed opposition trial balloon, is somewhere safe, because s/he just announced to everybody in the Clinton machine and in the allied Bush machine, that s/he is gonna mix it up with them. That's not the safest thing in the world to do.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 7:18pm

IMHO

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal he probably has already talked with his legal team.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:42am

@gulfgal98 I earnestly hope so.

@gulfgal98 I earnestly hope so. Perhaps I'm just more of a coward than some people, but I certainly hope nobody would truly mix it up with those political entities without making their plans first.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 8:55pm

It sounds like Kim Dotcom

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

It sounds way too lighthearted and whimsical "I'm the evidence!" "How did you think I knew?"

From what I've read about Kim Dotcom, this sounds very much like something he would say. He seems to have a brash, in-your-face personality. Larger than life and not worried about whom he offends. He's made megabucks from the tech/internet business, and seems to have an ego (and the cojones) to match. Or maybe the ego came first, then the success.

At any rate, Mr. Dotcom has already had a lot of experience being the target of the powers that be, internationally. I wouldn't think he's going into this unaware of what and whom he's dealing with. With his bucks, he could afford to hire private security for himself and his family, if he felt the need.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:44am

@Centaurea Good. Of course, I want

@Centaurea Good. Of course, I want this to be real--AND I want the person making the claim to be not only authentic, but safe.

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Submitted by Ellen North on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 10:50pm

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Well, considering that the 'Russian hack' claim propaganda is being used to 'justify' likely those nuclear attacks which The Psychopaths That Be have been so eager to start on multiple countries capable of holding off conventional invasion forces, but especially Russia first, (which will likely set off the whole target list of countries to throw everything they've got at the US psychopaths before they get smeared without firing a shot in self-defense as well,) which list includes China - maybe Kim DotCom is eager to avoid global annihilation based on The Psychopaths That Be gaining the disinformed American public's consent for the extinction of planetary life via this particular and grossly outworn ancient 'Russia' scare-for-MIC-profit canard?

Spent several hours watching something which was posted by Alligator ED on the 'Trump's Impeachment Now In Play' thread. Seems to explain a lot, although a lot of the bits are known and this seems to fill in various gaps in the history of America's corruption . So if anyone hasn't watched it yet, you really might want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick

Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick

Published on 19 Nov 2014

The who, how & why of the JFK assassination. Taken from an historical perspective starting around world war 1 leading to present day. We hope after watching this video you will know more about what happened in the past and how the world is run today.

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Submitted by LeChienHarry on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 7:09am

The story of the "Deep State" and its beginnings is told

@Ellen North with documentation in an easy-to-read book by David Talbot, called "The Devil's Chessboard - Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government.

While it focuses on Allen and Foster Dulles, it does mention wealthy corporate robber barons who were the sources of money for the Dulles brothers to operate, but there are many I'm still curious about. It's a good thing the focus of this book was kept narrow, otherwise it would be tough to sort through.

The Kennedy assassination started with Kennedy not sending in military support for the civilian boats at the Bay of Pigs. The CIA, the deep state, the Dulles brothers never got over it. It is truly sickening.

The other theme that runs quietly through the book is how many first ladies did not warm to Allen Dulles, and asked their husbands to sack or set him aside. He thought he knew better what should be done for the country and would withhold vital information from presidents who were his bosses, or launch secret ops anywhere in the world he wanted with cooperation of the CIA/MIC but without informing the president.

This same large, complex, and multifaceted organization is in place and one cannot imagine how to take it apart or bring it under control.

I am glad the questions are being asked as to sources, belief, accuracy, truth. I also am concerned that anyone known to be a part of Wikileaks is possibly risking a lot, if not their own lives. So the question asked before: how can a citizen figure out what is the truth and is the person making a statement in a position to know or telling the truth.

How can someone who really does know something that would help sort all this out, let us know enough without personal risk and shutting down a much-needed source of information.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:47am

@LeChienHarry I bought that book,

@LeChienHarry I bought that book, but haven't read it yet.
We should start a C99 book club, and those of us who haven't read it could read it together.

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Submitted by Wink on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 2:35am

JFK fired Dulles and

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
cronies in Nov. 1961 (Wiki). That pretty much ended Dulles' dicking around in Gov't (until LBJ two years later), and may have led to Dulles plotting JFK's assassination.

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Submitted by LeChienHarry on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 6:42am

According to David Talbot, Allen was down in the mouth for

@Wink about three months, then started seeing his old cronies and set up a shadow, if improvised and informal version of his old office. Young and old, the deep state players beat a path to his door until he was literally on his death bed.

He had no hesitation that he knew best what should be done for the country, and found ways to push his agendas.

He recovered quite quickly from his dismissal and yes, most likely was well connected in the web of people who ultimately were involved in the JFK assassination.

I was never a fan of the multiple gunmen theory, but David Talbot lays out a compelling set of arguments, backed by well documented references. He believes that "journalists" who write about these events are "lazy" and don't even do a cursory review of what is easily available, then shows what is available.

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Submitted by dervish on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 1:19pm

It's fitting that an airport in DC

@LeChienHarry is named after those bastards. Few even register the irony.

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Submitted by CB on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 10:10am

More info for those interested in this book

@LeChienHarry
Excellent synopsis at Salon. We are watching this being played out in real time with Trump as they are attaching a powerful ring to Trump's snout in order to rein him in and take him under their control.

This is not Hillary's doing per se. But she knows how Washington works due to her long time involvement with the machine that runs the US. She saw it from the inside during Bill's tenure and knew enough not to buck it. The 'system' is reflected in the policies she espoused during her campaign. She understood how much change she would be allowed to affect and that it was necessary to have both a public persona and a private one. Sanders also knew this to a certain extent. I don't think he was really serious about the presidency. He understood he would have to capitulate to the 'system's' demands. His real job was to energize the base and bring them back to the fold.

“Every president has been manipulated by national security officials”: David Talbot exposes America’s “deep state”
From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites

This year’s best spy thriller isn’t fiction – it’s history. David Talbot’s previous book, the bestseller “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” explored Robert F. Kennedy’s search for the truth following his brother’s murder. His new work, “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government,” zooms out from JFK’s murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the president’s assassination.

This isn’t merely a whodunit story, though. Talbot’s ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the “deep state” has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nation’s vast influence, the rest of the planet. “To thoroughly and honestly analyze [former CIA director] Allen Dulles’s legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy,” Talbot told Salon. “To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.”
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One of the major questions that this book raises is: how powerful is the president? Eisenhower famously warned of the rise of the military-industrial complex during his farewell speech and it would certainly appear as though his most dire predictions came true. Obama is the perfect example of how even a candidate with strong progressive credentials can be corrupted so quickly and thoroughly once in office…

In democracy, you would want to think that your president, elected by the people, who is the commander and chief, is in charge. One of the great revelations for me has been how every president, one way or another, has been played by or manipulated by or fooled by their national security officials. And that goes back to Eisenhower.
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Submitted by Wink on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 2:59am

I believe Obama was

@CB
sat down "by the adults in the room," within days of his 2008 win, and told, "listen, son, you may think you're a Joe Biden BFD, the big dog with the cold nose, MLK Jr. his self, but we're here to tell you where the bear $h!ts in the buckwheat, and what you can do and what you can't do, lest you soon end up like JFk... "
He was so full of piss and vinegar after his big win, then so ordinary a few days after his inauguration that many of us were left wondering "where did Obama go?"
I think all new presidents - including Trump - get this "briefing" soon after their win. "Enjoy your presidency! Just remember, Mr President... the walls have ears."

#9.3.1 Excellent synopsis at Salon. We are watching this being played out in real time with Trump as they are attaching a powerful ring to Trump's snout in order to rein him in and take him under their control. This is not Hillary's doing per se. But she knows how Washington works due to her long time involvement with the machine that runs the US. She saw it from the inside during Bill's tenure and knew enough not to buck it. The 'system' is reflected in the policies she espoused during her campaign. She understood how much change she would be allowed to affect and that it was necessary to have both a public persona and a private one. Sanders also knew this to a certain extent. I don't think he was really serious about the presidency. He understood he would have to capitulate to the 'system's' demands. His real job was to energize the base and bring them back to the fold. “Every president has been manipulated by national security officials”: David Talbot exposes America’s “deep state” From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites This year’s best spy thriller isn’t fiction – it’s history. David Talbot’s previous book, the bestseller “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” explored Robert F. Kennedy’s search for the truth following his brother’s murder. His new work, “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government,” zooms out from JFK’s murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the president’s assassination. This isn’t merely a whodunit story, though. Talbot’s ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the “deep state” has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nation’s vast influence, the rest of the planet. “To thoroughly and honestly analyze [former CIA director] Allen Dulles’s legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy,” Talbot told Salon. “To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.” ... One of the major questions that this book raises is: how powerful is the president? Eisenhower famously warned of the rise of the military-industrial complex during his farewell speech and it would certainly appear as though his most dire predictions came true. Obama is the perfect example of how even a candidate with strong progressive credentials can be corrupted so quickly and thoroughly once in office… In democracy, you would want to think that your president, elected by the people, who is the commander and chief, is in charge. One of the great revelations for me has been how every president, one way or another, has been played by or manipulated by or fooled by their national security officials. And that goes back to Eisenhower. ...

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Submitted by LeChienHarry on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 7:16am

David Talbot starts with Dulles and FDR. During WWII, Dulles

@CB @CB had a skunk works in Bern, Switzerland. He had many contacts with upper level Nazis, cultivated from prewar years in his work for his international law firm. These guys would work with whomever, and whatever if it suited them.

He regarded some of the top level Nazis as erudite, gentlemen, of a scholarly bent. He liked smoking cigars and drinking a good brandy with them, while discussing how things should play out.

He was part of the Rat Line which got top level officers, scientists (some really bad people), and other "assets" out of the Nuremberg Trials and into other countries including the US.

He had a big hand in the foundation of the OSS which morphed into the CIA.

He withheld information from FDR and each president onward. Kennedy was the only one who was willing to buck him. Eleanor pleaded with FDR to get rid of him.
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#9.3.1 Excellent synopsis at Salon. We are watching this being played out in real time with Trump as they are attaching a powerful ring to Trump's snout in order to rein him in and take him under their control. This is not Hillary's doing per se. But she knows how Washington works due to her long time involvement with the machine that runs the US. She saw it from the inside during Bill's tenure and knew enough not to buck it. The 'system' is reflected in the policies she espoused during her campaign. She understood how much change she would be allowed to affect and that it was necessary to have both a public persona and a private one. Sanders also knew this to a certain extent. I don't think he was really serious about the presidency. He understood he would have to capitulate to the 'system's' demands. His real job was to energize the base and bring them back to the fold. “Every president has been manipulated by national security officials”: David Talbot exposes America’s “deep state” From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites This year’s best spy thriller isn’t fiction – it’s history. David Talbot’s previous book, the bestseller “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” explored Robert F. Kennedy’s search for the truth following his brother’s murder. His new work, “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government,” zooms out from JFK’s murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the president’s assassination. This isn’t merely a whodunit story, though. Talbot’s ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the “deep state” has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nation’s vast influence, the rest of the planet. “To thoroughly and honestly analyze [former CIA director] Allen Dulles’s legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy,” Talbot told Salon. “To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.” ... One of the major questions that this book raises is: how powerful is the president? Eisenhower famously warned of the rise of the military-industrial complex during his farewell speech and it would certainly appear as though his most dire predictions came true. Obama is the perfect example of how even a candidate with strong progressive credentials can be corrupted so quickly and thoroughly once in office… In democracy, you would want to think that your president, elected by the people, who is the commander and chief, is in charge. One of the great revelations for me has been how every president, one way or another, has been played by or manipulated by or fooled by their national security officials. And that goes back to Eisenhower. ...

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 11:12am

@CB I don't think

@CB I don't think Bernie was a sheepdog. I think Bernie had no idea he'd make that much noise. He just wanted to keep some ideas alive.

That's why (supposedly, at least) when he and Jane were talking about a possible presidential run, she asked him "Couldn't you just write a book?"

#9.3.1 Excellent synopsis at Salon. We are watching this being played out in real time with Trump as they are attaching a powerful ring to Trump's snout in order to rein him in and take him under their control. This is not Hillary's doing per se. But she knows how Washington works due to her long time involvement with the machine that runs the US. She saw it from the inside during Bill's tenure and knew enough not to buck it. The 'system' is reflected in the policies she espoused during her campaign. She understood how much change she would be allowed to affect and that it was necessary to have both a public persona and a private one. Sanders also knew this to a certain extent. I don't think he was really serious about the presidency. He understood he would have to capitulate to the 'system's' demands. His real job was to energize the base and bring them back to the fold. “Every president has been manipulated by national security officials”: David Talbot exposes America’s “deep state” From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites This year’s best spy thriller isn’t fiction – it’s history. David Talbot’s previous book, the bestseller “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” explored Robert F. Kennedy’s search for the truth following his brother’s murder. His new work, “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government,” zooms out from JFK’s murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the president’s assassination. This isn’t merely a whodunit story, though. Talbot’s ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the “deep state” has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nation’s vast influence, the rest of the planet. “To thoroughly and honestly analyze [former CIA director] Allen Dulles’s legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy,” Talbot told Salon. “To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.” ... One of the major questions that this book raises is: how powerful is the president? Eisenhower famously warned of the rise of the military-industrial complex during his farewell speech and it would certainly appear as though his most dire predictions came true. Obama is the perfect example of how even a candidate with strong progressive credentials can be corrupted so quickly and thoroughly once in office… In democracy, you would want to think that your president, elected by the people, who is the commander and chief, is in charge. One of the great revelations for me has been how every president, one way or another, has been played by or manipulated by or fooled by their national security officials. And that goes back to Eisenhower. ...

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:46am

@Ellen North Now that I know Kim

@Ellen North Now that I know Kim Dotcom is an extremely wealthy person who has made himself a target in the past (and lived to tell about it), I am a little less worried, and a little more inclined to believe in the bombshell.

Still waiting to see how things develop, though.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:49am

@Ellen North I agree with you that

@Ellen North I agree with you that the terrifying state of world affairs might make some feel they have little to lose. I myself sometimes (at my darkest moments) wonder if I should have bothered to buy a house, since this insane warmongering might blow us all to smithereens in a few months or years.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 7:14pm

Yes, the tone

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
and the timing of this sensational claim are just too out of whack for me. I want the Deep State to be brought to their end, to be destroyed. I have so many decades of wanting that outcome that if anything even closely resembling evidence that will convict them in the court of public opinion, AND the actual court of justice, appears, I want it to be true. So badly.

But this guy, from what I'm reading about him, sounds like a somewhat desperate character with a history of legal problems of a federal kind, and this is a federal circus. I don't like it. Discrediting a true story by connecting it to a fraudulent source is classic Bush work. In other words, Langley.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 05/22/2017 - 11:14am

@Linda Wood We'll see--it's one of

@Linda Wood We'll see--it's one of those situations where you simply can't know until it happens.

One reason why being a primarily reactive movement sucks!

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-- Fiver

Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 6:55pm

The key tweet from "Kim Dotcom" seems to be this:

"I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the @Wikileaks source. I was involved"

If Mr. Dotcom can provide evidence of his assertions, then we might be going somewhere. Otherwise, it's just more smoke and mirrors.

How did you know Seth Rich, Mr. Dotcom? How do you "know" that he was the @Wikileaks source? Exactly how were you involved? These are pertinent questions that the mysterious Kim Dotcom should be willing to answer, if his statements are to be taken at all seriously.

It's easy enough to tweet bold claims of having insider information, but it's quite another thing to provide evidence that you actually have any.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 7:45pm

"knew"

@native is as in online like many of us "know" each other here, but have never met.

I believe what Kim Dotcom is saying is that they worked online together on disseminating this huge number of documents that Seth Rich had downloaded from the DNC computers. Kim Dotcom had the expertise in doing downloads of large documents when he created his website.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 9:21pm

With all the flap about this since the emails were released,

@native

I don't think tweeting "I was involved" is easy, unless this guy has lost his mind entirely. I think it takes A LOT of courage. Whether it is true is a different issue. He says he will give more details.Of course, could come back with something like, "I talked to my legal team and they told me not to say anything else." We'll see.

Submitted by native on Sat, 05/20/2017 - 10:10pm

As always, "We'll see '" is the operative phrase.

@HenryAWallace

But I'd hesitate to put many eggs into Kim Dotcom's conspiracy basket, minus more evidence than he's provided so far.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 9:21am

I include "we'll see" or its equivalent in so many posts

@native @native

because a human tendency is to jump to one conclusion or another as soon as something comes to our attention. (Maybe it started as a survival mechanism? Oh, look a squirrel. Cool. Stew for supper! I haven't had protein in weeks. Oh look, a saber tooth tiger. Yikes! Human for supper! I'm outta here.)

I happen to be looking back at posts on a board where I used to post a lot (not Kos) to see if I want to bookmark or copy of any posts of mine or others. At least, that was my original reason. Turned out, political message boards are so danged funny (and illuminating) in hindsight that it's become some of my favorite humorous reading material (though also sad at times because some of my favorite posters passed or left for parts unknown).

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Sun, 05/21/2017 - 8:52am

@native Well, it's a claim.

@native Well, it's a claim. Evidence is forthcoming, if he's telling the truth.
I am not sure he's telling the truth, but I'm not willing to automatically dismiss it. We'll wait.

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New Info in Seth Rich Case Updated

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