Outside my Area of Expertise (20170409)
Better Living Through Chemistry
Dupont's slogan still resonates in my mind after all these years. 3M like Dupont exists to make life easier.
An Ecosystem of Ideas
Innovation is a way of life at 3M, and ideas are constantly in motion. Every day, we work to solve problems by applying creativity and ingenuity to make life easier. Take a closer look at the world that is around you, and you’ll soon discover that 3M innovation is just about everywhere.
Okay maybe 3M is exaggerating, not every public drinking water supply is fortified with PFCs.
Map lifted from:
http://www.ewg.org/enviroblog/2015/08/your drinking water contaminated toxic non stick chemicals"
I was reading the most recent copy of Scientific American when I found this article. You can, I suppose, download the .pdf if you wish to read off-line. The article is well worth your time, and access is unrestricted, at this time.
The authors explain, "Carbon-fluorine bonds—which are wholly unnatural—are not readily digested by microbes, broken down by the sun, or metabolized to anything else in soils, plants, or the bodies of humans or animals." why this stuff is a persistent and pervasive contaminant. But because of TOXIC UNCERTAINTIES I am sure 3M corporate board of directors fully support their own scientists, EPA scientists, and all the rest us with transparency, and fully funded remediation should that be needed.
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better living through chemistry
.... applies better to Dr. Albert Hofmann than it does to DuPont (or Dow or whoever the fuck they are today).
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
But ... but ... but ... but ...
those things are illegal ! ! !
you can prohibit ham sandwiches, too!
Ham sandwiches are illegal in some jurisdictions, too.
Doesn't mean they should be!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
My father was originally educated as a chemist,
worked at DuPont in Wilmington, Delaware and later developed bladder cancer, perhaps linked to dye synthesis there. Lost his bladder later. Died of heart failure, a bad way to go.
What will happen to me, who used to wash glassware in benzene sans-gloves?
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Benefits of national labs to nearby schools.
Workers at Handford Atomic Works would sometimes max out their dosemeters early in an annual cycle. Some would seek temporary employment in nearby school districts and colleges.
I didn't know his background so I don't know if he was one of "them" but the teacher in my freshman chemistry class was overqualified. One day he got frustrated with the pedantic textbook and started describing reaction rates in terms of differential equations of various orders. It was an awesome class. Suddenly chemistry made sense, well to some of us anyway.
Hanford was considered his next move.
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sans gloves
This strikes a familiar note with me, and relevant to the essay, too.
I used to work at a company which, among other things, made electronic circuit boards in the early 1980s. The place utterly consumed several 55-gallon drums of Freon TMC solvent (50% 1,1,2-trichloro-1,2,2-triflouoroethane 50% methylene chloride) every day. Work stations had it in squeeze bottles.
We had "water" fights with the stuff.
Today, of course, you can't get it at all. It isn't being manufactured. The remaining stocks are almost all recycled, and use is either highly discouraged and deprecated, or prohibited outright.
I still wonder how much of what is wrong with me today is really due to arthritis and staph infection, and how much can be traced back to bathing in halocarbons in the early 1980s.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
But what about good old-fashioned lead?
And to a lesser degree cadmium, arsenic, AND mercury? Come on, PR, give them other elements their share of fame.
I am not a physician but I play one in real life.
When I came to Kearney State College I met my new colleagues for the first time. One of them, I will call him John ... because that was his name, exhibited all the signs of mercury poisoning.
Full disclosure: I did not know him before 1979 so I have no baseline from which to judge any changes in his cognitive functions over time. So I have no proof of deterioration, but, extrapolating from his academic credentials, he was clearly impaired. Sadly, I observed his deterioration over several years, helpless because everyone knew I was expressing concerns "outside my area of expertise". The worst part: We never became friends. Perhaps that was for the best ... clinical detachment is preferred in some cases, I am told.
One of his favorite classroom demonstrations was to construct a mercury barometer. At least once a year he would use a glass baking dish, a long glass tube, a rubber cork, and a large volume of mercury to create a barometer for his classes, visiting school groups, et cetera. He was a charming character that liked to play with the beads of mercury and encourage all and sundry to participate.
I would often suggest that this all was a very bad idea. John would get extremely angry, describe me as the south end of a horse going north, and point out that the vapor pressure of mercury is so very low that there was absolutely no reason to be concerned. So you see, the new guy is just being a wimp, he is, after all, a particle physicist. And besides that, he is one of those pansy environmentalists, sheesh!, next thing you know he will be calling the EPA or something, something, something.
I remember my wife being appalled by the amount of mercury I found, and removed from the various crevices and odd depressions in the several labs in the department. And the problem was not confined to the Department of Physics and John. One fine spring day during those first few years I answered a newspaper advertisement. Across town a woman had a pound of mercury in a jar she wanted to sell. I called and calmly inquired, heard children's voices in the background, and calmly hung up the phone. I then burned rubber getting to her house. She assured me that she had no more mercury, and no the children had not been playing with it (she lied, I am sure), as I calmly removed it from the house containing at least three toddlers.
Amazingly, John lived to the age of 79. His last years were not so good however. Mercury is an insidious killer, but what the hell do I know.
John Bernard Rohrs
April 3, 1931 - August 13, 2009
Kearney, Nebraska
You know a lot, bro
Mercury is natural as well.
My dad would often find high grade cinnabar samples while scavenging for salvage in central Oregon. He claimed that some of the rocks were so rich that a penny would show a bit of silver shine after rubbing it against the rock. Maybe true, maybe not, but the cinnabar was obvious. I never put any of it in a fire to see what would emerge.
cinnabar
Some Spanish cinnabars (from Almadén) are rich enough to sweat drops of mercury at room temperature, no roasting required. The mines producing these cinnabars are so toxic to be in that miners had to take at least as much time off work, in detoxification regimes of various sorts (sweating, chelation, etc.) as they do on the job. Per the linked article, the Almadén mines have been closed since 2000 owing to low demand and price for liquid metallic mercury on the world market.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Thanks for the confirmation.
So my dad's story is probably true. All these years and I had not known that was possible. I am not a geologist or a chemist.
I do know some of the sites in Oregon are dangerous. A story that may be true: Early in the immigrant invasion a local group tried to scare the invaders by painting themselves using the red soil. The effort failed and many of them died because of the paint. This is at least consistent with the stories I have been told.
"natural"
And all that nice, organically-grown ricin and nicotine are, too! /snark
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I use 'natural' as code
For not dependent upon some mega-corporation and its ties to the very well off for "support" as they exploit and export local resources for profit to then gouge "customers" that live in substandard conditions working for someone that takes their profits elsewhere. Wow, when I us a word I make it do a lot of heavy lifting.
I am a part of a local food cooperative, a local bank cooperative (AKA Credit Union), and support point of origin labeling. All for political reasons, and not for "science" reasons. But like "liberal", "natural" will be (is being, has been) co-opted and then I will have no more words with which to speak.