@snoopydawg

They do project a lot, don't they?

Paul and I can't believe that no one would say something to McCain for attacking Paul like that.

You are achieving the objectives of Vladimir Putin... trying to dismember this small country which has already been the subject of an attempted coup.” McCain continued: “If they object, they are now carrying out the desires and ambitions of Vladimir Putin and I do not say that lightly.”

The hypocrisy of our government knows no bounds does it? Obama and others in our government kept saying that they needed to sanction Russia because of its aggressions, but I never heard that Russia was invading countries or committing coups. I would think that if they had done those things then our media would be covering it 24/7 don't you?
The people on DK who are backing up McCain are just down right ridiculous. That site has so completely jumped the shark, it's totally unrecognizable to me anymore.
First they were praising the worst president ever because he said something about Trump. They have forgotten that this was the person who illegally destroyed Iraq and decided that renditions to countries that they knew would torture people, decided that water boarding wasn't torture because it didn't cause lasting damage to organs and that the Geneva conventions didn't apply to them because they weren't 'real' soldiers, they were enemy combatants.
Now McCain is their hero because he chastised someone who spoke out against how many countries this country is bombing.
There is one person who keeps calling people out on their praising McCain and he is getting hammered by comments such as this one;

— but the sight of Russian tanks and trucks rolling through ANY other country should make us think more of Hitler into Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia — or Soviets into Hungary — more, more, more!
It’s a law of nature. When the bully goes too far, you have to stop the bully. Otherwise, the bully gets bolder. Where do we draw the line?
The real question — What kind of world do we want? We can out-smart, out-gun, out-earn, out-create, innovate and develop the bad guys, every day of the year. “Winning the peace” is eminently possible — and superior to every other outcome. But sometimes that means defending the meek from the greedy and powerful, who don’t really NEED to take away somebody else’s rights and freedoms, they just WANT to.
Wow — that sounds a lot like our new “president” — doesn’t it?

For the love of Dawg! Which country is putting tanks and other military equipment along with thousands of troops in countries that surround Russia

But sometimes that means defending the meek from the greedy and powerful, who don't really NEED to take away somebody else's rights and freedoms, they just WANT to.

I have no idea how to respond to that type of thinking.
JFCOAWSTICK!

@snoopydawg

Typical psychopathic criminal mindset... Russia keeps its word, the US lies and breaks theirs, but the honest one is 'inferior'. No wonder the whole corporate two-party mess deteriorated even further from there, once those standards were condoned...

is another great guy if he says something bad about Trump.
How low are people going to allow themselves to go as long as they can keep up the narrative that Trump is doing what Putin wants him to do?

I meant to write about how our country played Yetlzin after he agreed to "tear down that wall"!
Bush had no intention of keeping the agreement with Russia that if they allowed Germany to reunify then they wouldn't expand NATO and what Bush said about the agreement. He said that he had no intention of keeping the promise. Here's part of what he said and the link to the article.

The conditionality of the Soviet Union’s agreement to allow East Germany to be taken by West Germany and for the Cold War to end, was that NATO would not expand “one inch to the east.” This was the agreement that was approved by the Russian President of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, a great man and a subsequent hero to democrats around the world. He agreed then to end the Soviet Union and abandon communism and thus to end the entire Cold War; he agreed to this because he had been promised that NATO would expand not “one inch to the east,” or “one inch eastward,” depending upon how the promise was translated and understood — but it has the same meaning, no matter how it was translated. He trusted American President George Herbert Walker Bush, whose friend and Secretary of State James Baker made this promise to Gorbachev. With this promise, Gorbachev agreed to end the Soviet Union; end the communist mutual-defense pact which was their own equivalent of NATO, the Warsaw Pact; and he believed that the remaining nation that he would then be leading, which was Russia, would be accepted as being a Western democracy. He was even promised by the United States that “we were going to make them a member [of NATO], we were–observer first and then a member.” In other words: the U.S. promised that NATO would not extend up to the borders of Russia and so become a mortal threat to the national security of the Russian people — now isolated and separated from its former military allies. Instead, Gorbachev was told, Russia would itself become welcomed into the Western Alliance, and ultimately become a NATO member. That was the deal, ending the 46-year Cold War.

Russia kept its part of the bargain. The United States did not; the U.S. instead lied through its teeth and so has since expanded NATO to absorb former member-nations of the Warsaw Pact into NATO as being, now, an anti-Russian military alliance — exactly what the U.S. had promised would never happen. U.S. President George Herbert Walker Bush in private told West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl (who had wanted to go along with what James Baker had arranged): “To hell with that! We prevailed, they didn’t.” He didn’t want peace with Russia; he wanted to conquer it; he wanted to rub Russians’ noses in their inferiority to Americans.

And it's Russia who is being the aggressor, right?
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/how-america-double-crossed-russia...

@mimi there are many Holsteins around Sonoma County, I love the ranches that paint their fencing black and white to match their cows. Good dairy. One thing I still enjoy is cheese, there are a couple of local factories left. I can't afford imported cheese anymore, but I remember what it was like. Mmm, Parmigiano Reggiano when I was hipster I would grate it on everything. Lucky! /grateful

Thanks I got a laugh from your ruminant question, reminded me of this weird godzilla moment:

that always sends me in to a rock jam

peace
Edited: oops forgot the quote that speaks.
"History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man, Godzilla!"

and advocate to send back all the Russian imported Vodka to Putin as a sign of solidarity with McCain..
Udder chaos: Turkey deports Dutch cows in strange show of solidarity with Erdogan - Published time: 15 Mar, 2017 23:08
Who is the better ruminant, McCain or the "Holstein Cows" (which by the way originate from my home turf "Schleswig Holstein" in Germany and the Dutch have stolen adopted them.)

Here is the timeline of Trump's sinful dates with Putin's Russia.
A Timeline: Russia and President Trump

Putin should send more beautiful Russian girls to the US f0r good and McCain should send more Senators to Russia for good ...that would be a real good Trump deal and find the President's approval.

Sorry, gjohnsit, I just woke up and can't digest the news in the morning without hick-ups.

Ok,I have to get serious, get up and do some more garden work to clean out the jungle in my backyard.

Have a good day, all.

@Akze TOP does reveal one thing unfortunately. Establishment, neoliberal, and now neocon democrats do have a base of supporters. This base may not be the majority of the party, but is big enough to elect Tom Perez as DNC chair. Add in the element of cheating, and they have a grip on the democrats which at this point, cannot be overcome. However, some of that base, particularly black and Hispanic voters did have some amount of buyer's remorse given the lower levels of turn out during the general election.

Well I sorta do. In the evening blues there was a link to TOP regarding Tulsi and her bill that would stop the funding and arming of AQ's allies in Syria, dam near threw up reading the comments. The calls for primarying her for being ''extreme right wing'' were nonstop. Decided to go over there and write a diary. McCain was on the front page, decided to read it, as well as take a look at the comments, big mistake. I have been in my own bubble for a few years, sticking to Naked Capitalism, Counterpunch, Telesur etc. Your average dem is far to the right of Bush now. I've noticed most dems using the exact same god dam language republicans used justify the Iraq invasion to justify intervention in Syria and for escalation of tensions with Russia. I knew it was over. I felt betrayed sure, saddened? of course, but I quickly came to terms with the fact that this is the way it is and will always be, the MIC will always win, and sadly your average dem voter is just as stupid as your average republican voter. But nothing could prepare me for the comments section regarding McCain calling Paul a tool of Putin. 180, it's so god dam bizarre to see how much that place fliped from anti PNAC to pro PNAC.

@The Wizard
TOP will soon be celebrating the entire Kagan family.

The Kagans Are Back; Wars to Follow
Exclusive: The neocon royalty Kagans are counting on Democrats and liberals to be the foot soldiers in the new neocon campaign to push Republicans and President Trump into more “regime change” wars, reports Robert Parry.
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With Trump in the White House, Official Washington’s neocon-dominated foreign policy establishment was down but far from out. The neocons were tossed a lifeline by Democrats and liberals who detested Trump so much that they were happy to pick up Nuland’s fallen banner of the New Cold War with Russia. As part of a dubious scheme to drive Trump from office, Democrats and liberals hyped evidence-free allegations that Russia had colluded with Trump’s team to rig the U.S. election.

New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman spoke for many of this group when he compared Russia’s alleged “meddling” to Japan’s bombing of Pearl Harbor and Al Qaeda’s 9/11 terror attacks.

On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” show, Friedman demanded that the Russia hacking allegations be treated as a casus belli: “That was a 9/11 scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor scale event.” Both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 led to wars.

So, with many liberals blinded by their hatred of Trump, the path was open for neocons to reassert themselves.
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In response to statements made by Vice Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Paul J. Selva about Russia "violating" the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty:

Such statements are certainly disappointing. As you know, this is not a new story. An informed person representing the military leadership of a major country should have known better. In particular, he could have finally explained what exactly they consider our “violations” to be and how they came to this conclusion.

However, this is not the first time that public accusations of Russia’s non-compliance with the INF Treaty ​​are not backed up by any evidence. They seem to be following what has already become a familiar pattern – making claims and immediately evading any specificity.

We have repeatedly affirmed our commitment to the INF. We explained to the US side that all missile tests in Russia are in compliance with the Treaty. During all negotiations, consultations and meetings we asked them to list Russia’s specific actions that are causing concern in Washington. Invariably, we got little in response except vague proposals to guess what they meant. This hardly seems like a serious approach.

Indicatively, though, the Americans are threatening to retaliate for Russia’s mythical violations with certain steps of a military nature. The very fact that US representatives are persistently using such rhetoric, without bothering to bring any evidence or specific examples whatsoever, raises questions about the purpose of these false media narratives.

At the same time, the Americans stubbornly refuse to discuss our well-founded claims concerning their own compliance with the INF Treaty. I am referring to the Mk-41 vertical launching units in the Aegis Ashore ground-based anti-missile systems, which the United States has deployed in Romania and plans to deploy in Poland, and which can reasonably be considered cruise missile launchers. The large-scale programme of building ballistic missile targets for missile defence-related applications, with similar characteristics to intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles, is also causing a lot of questions. In addition, the United States produces and uses unmanned combat air vehicles, which fit the definition of ground-based cruise missiles contained in the INF Treaty.

Once again, we suggest abandoning this unsubstantiated rhetoric and public accusations without specific examples in favour of a substantive dialogue aimed at addressing existing concerns and clarifying potential points of disagreement. All the mechanisms are there. We are open to such a dialogue through the appropriate channels.

Russia is looking for an objective dialog with the US. We are witnessing the window close on the biggest international prize of all -- friendship with Russia. The window is still open, but barely. The cost the actions like McCain bashing any fellow Senator who has an objective view of the world is to advance his personal cause of war everywhere, and enemies everywhere. The "West" is a small fraction of the world and becoming smaller every year. Our behavior does not isolate Russia, it isolates us.

@Big Al "Endorsements" are like "You're Fired!" to me now. lol
McCain's broken marriage fractured other ties as well

Outside her Bel-Air home, Nancy Reagan stood arm in arm with John McCain and offered a significant but less than exuberant endorsement.

"Ronnie and I always waited until everything was decided, and then we endorsed," the Republican matriarch said in March. "Well, obviously this is the nominee of the party." They were the only words she would speak during the five-minute photo op.

In a written statement, she described McCain as "a good friend for over 30 years." But that friendship was strained in the late 1970s by McCain's decision to divorce his first wife, Carol, who was particularly close to the Reagans, and within weeks marry Cindy Hensley, the young heiress to a lucrative Arizona beer distributorship.

Pardon my sexism, but that sounds familiar.

Arizona voters are Testament to the Power of Propaganda is more like it: Mishaps mark John McCain''s record as naval aviator (never been to datalounge before, they are quoting LA Times from that link).

Me, I gave DiFi waay too much endorsement after the drama of Harvey and George being murdered right there next to her office when she was on SF City Council, mayoral loser. Her testimony during some gun control legislation later on, about sticking her finger to try and stop the bleeding, it was traumatic. I'll never forget that day, just leaving the city after delivery cake to the effing financial district, no shit. I guess we are both past our due dates now, but look at her pull up the ladder as she goes toddling off. What a Democrat.

Peace

that John McCain is still a Senator. Sometimes I let myself wonder why the people of Arizona continue to bestow this creature on the rest of us, but then I think of Trump and Obama and how I have in effect, as an American, bestowed them upon the rest of the world.

@CB The most salient point is that none -- zero -- zip -- nada of those agencies conducted actual forensics on the DNC server because the DNC refused. The only "evidence" is the unsupported and specious claims by rabid anti-Russia private company Crowdstrike, the firm that the DNC hired to examine its server.

failed bid for Presidency, is schooled by Dmitry Peskov.
Peskov replies that the US is "self humiliating" itself by saying another country can readily come in and "intervene in your election process".
Also, take note that Zakaria lies when he says ALL 17 intelligence agencies had "high confidence that Russia tried to alter the outcome of the elections". The NSA stated they only had "moderate confidence" and these are the guys that can track any movements on the 'nets.

Take note that the "proof" offered is due to Peskov's denial. It is painfully obvious CNN is batshit crazy. Unfortunately the Dems mow lap up this shit with obvious relish.

Zakaria looks to have been attempting to get back at Putin for being humiliated last June.

@Linda Wood
same family, with the same needs and dreams. It really pisses me off when those in positions of power use their propaganda and politics to divide, alienate and demonize the people.

Maybe social media like YouTube can give understanding.

into a semblance of protein for the believers in Russia's desire to take over Europe, and the world, is Crimea, the belief that Russia invaded Crimea and took it over, rather than that the Crimean people voted to leave Ukraine when we, the United States, installed a pro-Nazi government in Ukraine which launched a military operation against those who refused to recognize the new government.

Crimea is complex, and each side of the controversy here in the United States gets hysterical when we're working with partial knowledge. We need to get information that explains what happened in Crimea -- truthfully and clearly -- if we are going to persuade our colleagues, our friends, and our family members what happened. Somehow, explaining that it isn't worth nuclear war, even if it did happen the way they're being told, isn't working. Somehow, explaining that it isn't worth conventional war isn't working.

It freaks me out, baffles me, and scares me very seriously that so many Americans appear to have no understanding of what war is. Keeping it away visually from most people in our huge country has apparently made it into a video game for enormous numbers of Americans. That's a very dangerous thing, and so I am advocating posting real pictures and real video of current war and its effects on civilians as well as combatants.

I hope we will all remind our loved ones what nuclear war is, as well as what a war like the one in Syria or the Balkans is for the people on the ground. Not a game. Not over in a weekend. We might ask them; Would they wish that horrific suffering on the people of Eastern Europe or the people of Russia. Would they expect that the Russian forces would give up and let us win, rather than using nuclear weapons. We ought to ask them the question we didn't ask John McCain, Hillary Clinton, or the Obama war planners: What is the plan? Because if the plan is endless war, it is not a solution.

Even so, for whatever reason, the Putin-is-Hitler, Assad-is-Hitler, Iran-is-Hitler, tactic is very powerful if it is connected to a belief that Putin, Assad, and Iran aren't voting for the candidate you're voting for. I'm hoping truth will have a way of emerging and solving this, but it won't if we don't point it out with as much homework and effort as it takes.