Biden 2020!
It's the "solution" to everything!
Amid discussion of resistance to Trump, he surprised me with talk of 2020, when he’ll turn 78. “I’ll run,” the vice president deadpanned, “if I can walk.” Three days later, he informed the Washington press corps that he wasn’t joking.Biden isn’t likely to run, but keeping the door ajar gives him a bigger voice in Democratic Party debates. The one that worries him most is over repositioning to win back Trump voters. He has little patience with Democrats who want to move either left or right. “ ‘We gotta move to the center,’ ‘We gotta move to those white guys,’ ‘We gotta move to those working-class people’ or ‘We gotta double down on the social agenda.’ ” It’s a false choice, he said: “They are totally compatible. I have never said anything to the A.C.L.U. that I wouldn’t say to the Chamber of Commerce.”
A 78-year old insider that wants to "move to the center" and "double down on the social agenda".
Such a bold stand!
They must love, love, luuuvvv him at TOP.
Are you excited yet?
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I thought the solution to everything, for Democrats at least,
was shouting 'Putin!' at each and every opportunity?
(Puzzled in Yonkers)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
@Bollox Ref No, no, that's the *final
No, no, that's the *final* solution.
Kind of like distinguishing the wedding plan from the evil plan in Galavant:
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Onion is going to suck without Biden around...
Biden Opts Out Of Putting Last Few Felonies On Job Application
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
President of Vice
President of Vice
Oh, no, uncle Joe (that's Biden, not Shikspack)
please don't do that. Run home.
https://www.euronews.com/live
@mimi
I like Joe Biden and don't want him to run and work in a bad job environment. He really didn't deserve to be treated badly as a President. The White House has a bad karma and a sickening effect on your character. His son I would have agreed to. But his father, no, I feel for him and want him to have a peaceful retirement.
https://www.euronews.com/live
The "Center"
Is now more like one huge stinking sucking Anus. Nothing has been good from the Elite center Joe, so no, you have nothing new to contribute Mr. Biden, just go away please.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
Joe Biden (D-MBNA)
is a perfect representative of the powers that control the Democratic party. The trouble is, that same party is disappearing as we speak, as people of all leftish persuasions abandon it. Biden represents everything that is wrong with Democrats, and very little that is right with them.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
That's not what he's saying ...
The way I read it, those four pieces of advice are what he's calling "a false choice." What he is saying is to speak what you believe.
"We dance round in a ring and suppose, But the Secret sits in the middle and knows." - Robert Frost
Agree, article misquotes intent
Each of the statements are paraphrases of what The Democrats think they should do. The double quote ( " ) signifies a verbatim quote and a single quote ( ' ) is when you're quoting what someone would say.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
@hungeski Yes, I concur. The
Yes, I concur. The initial take is a misreading of what he's saying. Now, it's quite likely that his idea of speaking your truth wouldn't match up with what I personally think are the best ways for the country to have a chance to regain it's at least somewhat-illusory standards of justice and freedom, but at least he's repudiating centrism and rightward movement too. I don't think I'll ever get over how he helped to trash Anita Hill though. I should probably do some research to see if he has ever publicly apologized for his part of that utter and complete travesty that gave us old Uncle Clarence on the not-so-Supreme Court.
Edited for typo.
He's kinda lovable though when he washes the old Trans Am
on WH grounds.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Yeah, well, you wouldn't think he was so lovable
if he'd broken into YOUR building and stolen the copper.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
New Yorkers want Hillary
With her!
Please make her leave NY
Better without more ticks (still above freezing here). New Seresto collar on dog.
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@gjohnsit So now she'll be in
So now she'll be in charge of the seventh largest private army in the world, or whatever Bloomberg called it? Awesome.
Everyone who can get out of NYC, now's the time.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Why did Joe Biden not run for president in 2016?
The article implies Biden didn't run because of his son. But Beau wanted his father to run for president and Joe Biden has always wanted to be president. I think Joe was told to back off because the establishment was behind Clinton. There is no way Biden would challenge the establishment.
@karl pearson Exactly right. n/t
Exactly right. n/t
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YES. yes. YES!
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Could it be any worse?
After 2016 the lady of the lake approach isn't looking half bad.
@EdMass Yeah. As a pagan, I have
Yeah. As a pagan, I have to agree. Much as I love Dennis the constitutional peasant. I'd much rather supreme executive power were conferred upon someone by a strange woman lying in a pond than by the Koch Brothers and Lloyd Blankfein.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
He will certainly get my vote
unless if he runs against a viable warthog!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I thought they wanted Michelle?
After all, nothing says elect ability like a threefer!
1. Black
2. Woman
3. Requisite Nepotism to former president.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I would be excited if he were to retire
...that's about it.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I'm SO glad that I'm no longer a Democrat.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness I really need to get
I really need to get down to the Supervisor of Elections office and rectify that little matter. My family too (we only rejoined to vote for Bernie).
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I only left because of
I only left because of DWS and Hillary. Now that they have doubled down on stupid and evil, I'm gone for good. I may vote occasionally for a Democrat, but for the person, not the Party. The Party label is actually a sign to look away. Sort of like "Made in China"
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Biden, who so generously offered up Anita Hill
as a sacrifice to the Republicans and so then Clarence Thomas was appointed to be the decider in the Supreme Court.
Biden has an unheroic past, to say the least. Tragedy in his past, yes, but touch any human being and you will find tragedy.
To thine own self be true.
Parallel plan core ejection 2018
sell the offices for scenic tours lunch and runs.
Agenda: meet say good luck and slap resignations, or insult constituents. If you are beyond team red or blue, and could burst with contempt the presence of such a state for humans. Good on you. If they worry about corporate donations, you should be insulted.
Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever
I watched those hearings and have despised that bastid
since the first time he looked down his nose at the woman HE asked to testify. He's a misogynistic, petty, arrogant, patronizing bastid.
He needs to shuffle off into the sunset. Which is better treatment that he made sure a lot of other Americans received.
From Alternet Article:
Joe Biden's Shameful Role in Creating America's Prison Nightmare
Is he hoping voters will just forget the fact that he led the charge for more police and more prisons?
*
I want to point out when I wrote the original bill that started this whole process, the so-called Biden crime bill that passed out of here ... about which the Senator from Utah stood up and said, as it was going out the door, "Can we call it the Biden-Hatch bill?'' — do you know how I wrote that bill? I asked the police organizations in this nation — the Fraternal Order of Police — "Give me the list," because I invited them all in before I wrote the bill.
But I invited the police organizations in and I said, "What do you need? You guys and women out in the street are getting the living devil beaten out of you.'' In the last 10 years we have increased the number of urban police by less than 1.1 percent, I say to my friend from California. They are getting beat up. They are putting their lives on the line for us and they are getting beat up.
We needed to have a special bill passed through here, Mr. President, to allow enough money to let the FBI agents buy weapons as powerful as the drug cartels have. They are getting beat up.
The Real Joe Biden
End of Alternet Article
What the hell? His kid that got kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine is a good example. The month after he got clearance for the position, he tested positive for coke. He received 2 waivers to get that position. One because the age limit was 42 and he was 43 when he applied. The other was for an earlier drug bust years ago.
Snip from Daily News
It isn’t clear which discharge Biden received, the Journal reported.
In joining the Navy Reserves, Biden needed one waiver because of his age and a second waiver because of a drug-related incident when he was younger.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/biden-youngest-son-discharged-n...
End of Article
Some people's kids are just better than ours I guess. /s
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
How ridiculous
Joe Biden wasn't even on my radar when he ran in 2008. I'll admit that he would have been a more tolerable candidate for multicultural neoliberalism than Hillary Clinton was if he had run in 2016, insofar as he isn't as obviously obnoxious as Hillary Clinton is -- but I was not in favor of him then, nor am I in favor of him now. This is one more laughable attempt by the Democratic Party to get people to support shitty politics.
I think it is probably necessary at this point to break the system, by which I mean break the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, and the people who stand behind both of them. In the past I thought that perhaps the Democratic Party could be reformed, but now I think this probably cannot be so -- or at the very least, if it happens, it will only happen when the left mounts a Tea Party-style hostile takeover and pries authority out of the hands of the people who run the Democratic Party and the people who own the Democratic Party. These people are never going to give up power willingly. They will attempt to confound us at every step. Any notions we might have had about the Democratic Party leadership giving us a fair fight should be dispelled as illusions by now. I suspect that in the event that a left insurgency actually seized control of the Democratic Party, the people who run it and the people who own it would rather sabotage it than let such an insurgency take power, as happened to George McGovern -- and he was hardly a radical in the grand scheme of things!
I personally think there is nothing left to be gained from working within the Democratic Party. Others may disagree; there was considerable discussion of that matter a few weeks ago (which I didn't participate in at the time). I'm not sure of the way forward, but I am reasonably certain that it is not within the Democratic Party. And to those of you who are determined to work within the Democratic Party in the future, remember what they did to Sanders and go into this with your eyes wide open. If you are a real leftist, know that these people despise you, and will happily betray you if you give them a chance. So expect the betrayal, and do not be surprised when it comes -- and when it comes, be prepared to fight them, Judo-flip their asses, and knock them the fuck out.
I wish I knew how to get to where we need to be, but I'm still working that out. I suspect it will have to be left to people smarter and wiser than me, but I will bend my mind to it, and if I come up with anything, I will be sure to share it.
Getting back to the topic of the diary, it occurs to me that "Biden 2020" symbolizes the intellectual bankruptcy of the Democratic Party, just like "Hillary 2016" (or, heaven help us, "Hillary 2020"). "Booker 2020," "Cuomo 2020," "Newsom 2020," and so on are less obvious signs of intellectual bankruptcy, but they look like intellectual bankruptcy to me.
@kakumeiji maru I suspect that in the
I suspect that in the event that a left insurgency actually seized control of the Democratic Party, the people who run it and the people who own it would rather sabotage it than let such an insurgency take power, as happened to George McGovern -- and he was hardly a radical in the grand scheme of things!
That already happened, when Dean took over the DNC from Terry McAuliffe, and McAuliffe helpfully emptied the coffers on the way out. Not that Dean was a leftist, and at this time of day, he's totally useless, trying to leverage the shattered remnants of his credibility into support for Hillary Clinton.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@kakumeiji maru Also, sometimes I think
Also, sometimes I think the entire purpose of the Third Way, the DLC and all similar efforts IS (or was) to sabotage the Democratic party. Just as a thought experiment, I wondered last year whether Hillary 2016 was actually an anti-campaign, designed to make people hate her. Or hate her more.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@kakumeiji maru
There is a difference between the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party and any potential takeover by real progressives in the Democratic Party: The Republicans welcomed everyone they possibly could, including the worst Tea Party types. The Democratic Party has not only shunned the Left, they have insulted the Left. There won't be a takeover. Maybe a takedown.
Forget Biden - a third term for 'O'?
To top that off, VP Biden is also staying in D.C.--ostensibly, because of Dr Biden's position at Northern Virginia Community College.
Mollie
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____Author Unknown
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Taro
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
OMG
and Heaven help us. Although how a mythic place in the sky has such physical abilities is asking too much...
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@Unabashed Liberal Yippee! At least the
Yippee! At least the murdering torturing austerity-loving bellicose plutocrat in power won't be in favor of World War III! And he won't be an entirely dogmatic blind and stupid moron! Whoop whoop! Hip hip hurrah!
I'm really trying to get myself into the spirit of the thing.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Unabashed Liberal
This:
Is one of the best things I've heard in quite a while.
More and better Plutocrats! Call 'em what they are.
Review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
Okay that is how I meant it. Thanks. No more Ds or Rs for me, now I will try to spot the plutocrat, no matter the affiliation. Obscene wealth is the problem in my view, insulated bubble people.
P.S. The other fossilized plutocrat helping to destroy our planet is Mrs. Dick Blum, Dianne Feinstein. Oh my talk about a rotter, and now there is Mrs. Venable in the other seat. Representing!
Further review, needs update: http://static.latimes.com/how-much-are-they-worth/
peace
pass it along
don't bogart
Remember alligators on the road?
(not you, ed). Those retreads that would delaminate and fly off? Please, no.
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Biden in 2020?
May dog save us all.
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I did not get the impression at all
that good old uncle Joe was repudiating moving to the center at all, I think he's advocating exactly that. And just gotta love that whole mess about the Rumper not taking on those evil Ruskies and perhaps losing American "standing" in the world, heaven forbid. Good God, another smiling face who's eager to stick the knife into the back of what's left of this country once again. Thanks for the link to the NYT although I admit I did do a rapid skim - all that feel good crap about him taking the subway every day, like he's a normal person and we all should just KNOW in our gut that he's really on our side. Please, these bastards are desperate to take back their damned party, and that's all they care about.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@lizzyh7 Maybe not overall, but I
Maybe not overall, but I was just going by the portion that was quoted in this post. I didn't read the whole article because my stomach isn't strong enough, especially not early in the day. I'm sure what he would end up advocating would in fact be some version of so-called "common sense" that would end up being exactly the same old thing: lip service to social issue stuff the left agrees on that doesn't cost the rich folks any actual money or power, aka crumbs. The pitch he's making in the snippet quoted here seems to me to at least be pretending to advocate for doing the "right" thing, whatever that means to him. Actually, what he's probably really advocating is resisting the labeling of his policy preferences as political strategies by pretending that they're just sincere beliefs. Whether it's true or not, many of his ideas would not be acceptable to me based on his past choices and actions.
LOL, no worry
I'm usually a bit irritable first thing in the morning and the pandering of the NYT just makes me even more irritable! And Democrats right now just make me plain mad, so there you go. I don't believe anything any of them say anymore. They've betrayed us into Trump as POTUS, they're less than worthless.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
My partner, who voted for Clinton said...
....Biden would have won if he had run. I think, like someone above, that the establishment was keeping the path clear for Clinton so Biden wouldn't want to interfere with that, or would he? I have no doubt the 2016 nomination was pretty much promised to her after losing in 2008 but maybe he didn't care so much for Clinton either. It was just bad timing for Biden to lose his son so close to the 2016 election.
Even if Biden had run I would not have voted for him. Talking to blue collar voters is one thing. Legislating for blue collar workers is another. He, to me, was still too establishment and more of the same.
@blue drop I wouldn't have voted
I wouldn't have voted for him either. But I think you and I are in the decided minority. When confronted w/Biden vs Trump, a lot of people would have voted for Biden.
That's one of the things that galled me. They could have put up any halfway competent person in a suit who could get up in front of cameras and give a halfway decent speech, run a press conference, and gladhand his way through a rope line. Or her way--despite the constant barrage of sainted victimhood talking points coming from Team Clinton, gender was not the issue.
And they gave it to Hillary "My turn! Mine!" Clinton. Which is the equivalent of projectile vomiting on the American populace and then demanding, in injured tones, why they don't like it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
True but people didn't hate him like they hated HRC
Her personal demeanor meant a lot to people who don't follow policy. Biden is more personable.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness You're right, but it's
You're right, but it's more than just her demeanor. Hillary can't cover up how evil she is. Nor how much she despises her inferiors.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal It was her turn. Are
It was her turn. Are you a misogynist? (pulling tongue from cheek).
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness Yes. Also a racist,
Yes. Also a racist, a purist, and a secret Russian agent.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
If they were going to do this,
Why in the name of God didn't they do it 15 months ago and spare us at least part of the horrors of this last year?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver