Inconvenient Observations
Again I have to turn outside of the US bubble to actually get some sense.
Personally I read with mouth agape this intelligence defying piece by Paul Krugman that was heralded by many as a deep insight and was surprised that many on the left did not give it the ridicule it deserved.
And the corruption won’t be limited to the very top: The new administration seems set to bring blatant self-dealing into the center of our political system. Abraham Lincoln may have led a team of rivals; Donald Trump seems to be assembling a team of cronies, choosing billionaires with obvious, deep conflicts of interest for many key positions in his administration.
In short, America is rapidly turning into a stan.
He only just bloody noticed? Trump is the end game of the last half century; he is the logical conclusion. Nothing he is doing is new, just more obvious. I'm glad someone else replied:
America was a 'stan' long before Trump
He starts:
Apparently, for a host of "progressive" writers, American history began on November 8, 2016.
I know right, the same old looking forward is much more comforting than looking at our nation's sordid past.
Then he takes out a hammer.
Look, Trump is an unabashed reflection of what America is and will continue to be - whether Krugman and company are prepared to admit it or not. America was a "stan" long before the Manhattan megalomaniac was elected president by more than 62 million Americans chomping to install their "stan"-like version of a tin-pot "dictator" into the White House.
Still, I don't recall any of the other "stans" invading and subsequently destroying a sovereign nation and its people based on cooked-up "intelligence".
I don't recall the other "stans" setting up "black sites" across the globe where countless people were shipped like pieces of baggage to be tortured out of the Red Cross's sight or those pesky, irrelevant human rights conventions.
I don't recall the other "stans" secretly hauling Muslim and Arab men - many of them innocent - to a gulag at Guantanamo Bay without charge to rot, to be tortured, go mad or commit suicide.
I don't recall the other "stans" unilaterally ordering extrajudicial killings by way of remote drones and having to apologise repeatedly and pay compensation for massacring children, women and men who thought they were attending a wedding, not their summary executions.
I don't recall the other "stans" engineering the near collapse of the global financial system because of the insatiable avarice of mostly middle-aged, pinstripe suit-wearing con men on Wall Street.
I could go on, but you and, perhaps, Krugman get the point.
Funny how the actually bombing clearly marked and well known hospital murdering both patients and medical staff is forgotten by nearly everyone, eh?
Concluding:
Employing McCarthy-like innuendo and fantastical, thread-thin connections, writers for so-called "elite" news organisations are seriously claiming that Trump has been "groomed" for decades by Vladimir Putin, who has waited patiently to elevate his orange-haired poodle into the Oval Office.
~ snip
Move over Joe and blathering Alex Jones, you've got conspiratorial company, not on the lunatic fringes of the web, but in mainstream media.
Progressives, it seems, aren't immune to Trump's penchant for hyperbolic smears, wacky conspiracy theories and contagious stupidity.
I suggest reading the whole thing it's painfully close to a bullseye, but misses one important point that I will go into at the end of the essay.
In the opinion piece above another was referenced:
One of the basic principles of democracy is "one person, one vote". Other criteria for an efficient and robust model of democracy include an informed and critically inclined citizenry and the presence of a political culture catering to the "common good" instead of the self-centred whims and boundless greed of the rich and powerful
Noting the choice put forward.
For starters, the contest for the White House was between a megalomaniac billionaire with no experience whatsoever in the "art of the possible" (but competent with entanglements with foreign governments and leaders, and an uncanny ability in twisting the tax law to his advantage) and a lifelong politician, widely regarded as a darling of Wall Street as well as a warmonger.
The conclusion, nothing new but a logical continuation of the past:
Indeed, looked at from various perspectives, it would seem that the 2016 US presidential election has brought to the surface all of the ills of America's flawed democracy.
What happens next is hard to predict, but it is likely that very interesting times lie ahead both for "the land of the free and the home of the brave" as well as for the rest of the world.
In both articles the conclusion would appear to be that:- We did not arrive at this point by accident but by design.
One point both have forgotten to mention [or missed entirely] is the reason why history does not apparently matter in the US.
The over-riding myth/principle/propaganda of American Exceptionalism, a principle so deeply ingrained from top to bottom that it can be used to pardon every misadventure and crime of the past without raising many home grown eyebrows in disbelief.
Good grief, I'm actually about to quote from the American Press
First used with respect to the United States by Alexis de Tocqueville, the concept of American exceptionalism is that this country differs qualitatively from other developed nations because of its national credo, ethnic diversity, and revolution-sprung history. It is often expressed as superiority: The United States is the biggest, most powerful, smartest, richest, and most-deserving country on Earth.
American exceptionalism is a recurring character in the nation's narrative. We, the people. Manifest Destiny. Conceived in liberty. Fear itself. Ask not. Morning in America. United we stand. Yes, we can. In times of great change and tumult, presidents seek to inspire beleaguered Americans by reminding them of their national identity.
Which basically means that history and actions of the past are irrelevant, look forward and we can forgive ourselves at any time we chose, others must pay however. Our war crimes, torture, roll-back and regime change are irrelevant, why do they hate us?
That’s why we can attract strivers and entrepreneurs from around the globe to build new factories and create new industries here. That’s why our military can look the way it does, every shade of humanity, forged into common service. That’s why anyone who threatens our values, whether fascists or communists or jihadists or homegrown demagogues, will always fail in the end.”
That’s America. Those bonds of affection; that common creed. We don’t fear the future; we shape it, embrace it, as one people, stronger together than we are on our own.
The bolded section: This core belief is a fundamental weakness.
God help the rest of you; should have been the sign off.
This great denial of both history and reality has given us and the rest of humanity:-
Trump
Nothing at all to do with: Putin!Russia!
Agree with me or not but at least think about it.
Comments
Try as we might, we all live in various states of delusion.
It seems to be one of the most ubiquitous of our human frailties. We nurture them and defend them to our death as if our life depended on them.
Nothing you can say can possibly convince me otherwise. I know I'm right, even if I'm the only person on Earth who does.
Have a nice day.
s/
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Various states of delusion?
Yes, I agree with you when you say
However, there is a difference between plain ordinary delusion and blatant, intentional lies. When people in positions of power intentionally lie and manipulate, there is a sinister aspect to that communication. It is a communication with an agenda that is devoid of goodwill or generosity because its purpose is selfish self-aggrandizement.
When people who are not in positions of power (the hoi polloi) accept these lies without question, there is a problem. The hoi polloi will usually be hurt by the agenda of the PTB, if not immediately, eventually.
We can recognize that we live in various states of delusion, but that does not mean that we can allow ourselves the lazy attitude of not trying to discern lie from truth.
That's the difference for sure.
This is Paul Krugman's problem:
I think he choses not to understand, it's not hard after all.
Krugman
Krugman is a part of the neoliberal elite or the meritocracy, if you read how Thomas Frank defines that class.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
or live among us.
Or see us.
We are merely an economic statistic.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Krugman and his neoliberal ilk seem to have come to the
realization that there are limits to the size of the "reserve army of labor" that capital needs and beyond that people are expendable and not needed. We are both deplorable and superfluous.
We need to take Buffet at his word that his class, and those that serve his class, are engaged in a class war and so far it's been a rout.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
We are a necessary
evil to the elites. eom
Good point. Just like the "con men who conned themselves"
but with the cachet of the ivy league.
Decades ago, the ivies opened their doors in the name of diversity, and subverted those who walked through those doors. Money talks louder than actual education, I guess. Meritocracy my a$$.
~annominous
"Con men who conned themselves"
Here's a truth I've learned about narcissists: They are con men (and women) extraordinaire, but the person they con the most is themselves.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
I stopped reading "The Krug"
about the time that it was clear that he was wholly in the tank for The $Hill (this would have been, oh, about Fall 2015). He got to be about as shrill as The $Hill, and after a while it became pretty tiresome.
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
He did indeed, apocalyptic stuff
I stopped reading the NYT about that time.
So anti-Bernie, pro-Hillary. Fake news.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
When our own Oligarchs own and manipulate our system
very few seem to mind, especially when they support the "right" side.
At best, Krugman is a little to late, play it safe,
posturing chowder head that has no more insight than my lime green high top converse sneakers. I've always felt that way about that guy.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
God help the rest of humanity?
Seems to me like most of the 99% living in the U.S. need that help too.
And it kind of blows my mind that people keep repeating the lie that most of the Trump supporters voted for Trump because they wanted to install a tyrant. This is awfully close to "they hate our freedoms."
In my experience, most Trump voters, however wrong they may be on many issues, are deeply worried about the condition of American democracy, and are, for the most part, fairly accurate in their assessment of who is screwing us over. They know that it's a bought-and-paid for government working with Wall St. They're even starting to get over some of the right-wing adoration of business enough to see that the Fortune 500 types are not their friends, with the exception of Donald who for some reason they think has their back (one of their mistakes).
They don't want a "stan." They think they're fighting to get back to a republic. They're wrong, but no more wrong than I was when I supported Obama for a similar reason.
The difference is, of course, that many of them also blame immigrants and Black people. I don't. Those among the Trump supporters who are racist xenophobes deserve to be called out for that. However, it does not follow that people voted for Trump to make the U.S. into a "stan." Quite the opposite.
That's why there's crossover between Bernie supporters and Trump supporters.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Dunno about that. Your points are valid in the national
context, but don't explain the hard right turn in the state houses. Look at Kentucky, for example, where the new pee tarty state gubmint just imposed "right to work" and abortion restrictions, and apparently would like to impose "more bettah". Kentucky voters elected a pee tartier for guvnah in 2015, cuz they so so wanted to lose the hated Obamacare but failed to connect that O-care is the same thing as the hugely popular Kynect that has saved so many Ky lives and which they will soon lose, thanks Obama ! Or for another example, how bout how Kansas, with their budget and social safety net trashed by conservatives, returned the gop to their statehouse for more "more bettah".
No, the democrats, under the neoliberals, have lost their toe hold. Perhaps by bad governing and management, perhaps because of innate racism, perhaps because of RWNJ propaganda, specifically, radio propaganda. No, I don't buy that it's because of innate patriotism.
However, even my aged father, a relatively-conservative New Deal democrat who voted grudgingly for HRC, is starting to acknowledge her deep flaws in conversations with me. But that follows her unexpected loss.
imo the best progressives can do is join the dems as they follow the pee tarty playbook ... run for local office and try to turn their local dems leftward. And those of us who live in the "heartland" need to listen to and push back against RWNJ radio.
~annominous
Difference between politicians and voters
between the party structure/establishment and those of us fool enough to trail along in its/their wakes.
What we're really talking about here is the ability of the rank-and-file to take over organizations where wealth and power are extremely concentrated at the top--and where the top ranks actually owe their power to people who are not overtly part of the organization. We've tried this repeatedly and it doesn't work. Even the Republican voters' attempt to take over their own party was corrupted and co-opted before they ever got one Tea Party candidate into Congress. I'm not saying TP ideas were good, but it was an attempt of Republican voters to make their party answer to them. It got turned into astroturf before it got anywhere, and that's what it is now.
There's two issues here that get confused. One is the question of whether the people are getting any representation. The other is whether the people want good things. I might disagree with what the Republican voters want, but I am entirely in favor of them and every other citizen of this country having political representation. I don't believe that the Tea Partiers are in the majority. Hell, not even the Trump supporters are. If everybody living here had representation, we wouldn't have had to endure a Hillary vs Trump election in the first place.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
When it comes to the hard right turn of states like
Kentucky (I honestly don't know that it was ever blue) I'm blaming the fear of God of the Old Testament. I do think that the evangelicals have indeed hijacked both the republican and the tea party. This serves as a nice cover for the godless Oligarchs. E.G., the Koch Bro's. and the Tea party. This stands on its own without the ineptitude and falsely stated values of the democrats, thought it is a contributing factor. I think that is shown by the surprise of the hard right; that Doofy Drumpfy pants became the resident select. (I will never call him president)
The evangelicals have been working hard at this ever since the early '70's in response to the changes brought about by the hippies. And amazingly (to me) they are succeeding, slowly but surely, like bringing the proverbial frog to a boil unawares. They'll never admit it as to do so would damage their persecution complex. Someone out there must be damned or there will be no one left to save.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The evangelicals do not vote as individuals so they are easy
to manipulate using their ministers and pastors
Trump has had many closed and open door meetings with hundreds of their leaders. He groomed them just like the Cheney/Bush presidency did. The Wikileaks emails showed some within the Clinton campaign's disdain for both Catholics and evangelicals.
Trump's campaign rally speeches invoked populism
In one of the postmortems of the election, one pundit noted that progressive writer who went to nearly all of Trump's campaign rallies noted that he spoke very little about immigration and other hot topics, but instead focused on how the system was crushing the little guy. He no more urged a "stan" than Bernie did. Seems Krugman has become very good at picking up DNC agenda points and then spewing out an article pushing the meme.
Bingo.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yes. Krugman is establishment.
Why bother actually working.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
I believe the biggest reason for the crossover is that
both Bernie and Trump were outsiders. The majority of the electorate were/are sick and tired of the folie à deux of the duopoly that runs America.
Nothing expresses this more than "FUCK YOU!".
It was Hillary's deplorables in the fly-over states that showed her the door.
As far as I'm concerned--
good for them.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well, I think he's right in a way.
Trump and his admin and the entire oligarchic culture appear to be taking another step forward, like it did with Clinton, Bush and Obama. I'm coming to believe Trump is actually off his rocker.
Of course Krugman is of the democratic party, Daily Kos type so he doesn't see the dems and Clinton the same way. Typical of dem party progressives. He's caught up in the party politik game which is probably where most of the "social media" reaction to Krugman's article came from.
But Clinton is gone, Obama is gone, and we have Trump.
I don't think Clinton is gone.
There are more Hillary bumper stickers in my town now than there were at any time during the election.
She's being reconstructed as a virtuous victim. Again.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I heard she's being put up
as a potential mayoral candidate for New York City. Gawd.
No matter. She'll pass away first from her various ailments or at least be rendered disabled. We'll probably hear about it first from BBC news World Services or Al Jazeer.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
That's the problem
The Clintons refuse to go away. They cannot afford to go away. Without power via governmental office, they have no influence to sell. Without having influence to sell, the money laundering scheme that is the Clinton Foundation no longer is a financial juggernaut for them.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I keep wishing this weren't true--
and that they have scummy influence to sell regardless, so they'll go away and leave us alone. But you're right.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I'm very curious to see
what the Clinton Foundation's numbers are like for this year and next.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Exactly
A huge spike in foundation revenues means one of the Clintons are preparing a run for office.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Aint that crazy?
I saw my first ever Clinton bumper sticker yesterday. I think your right: she's on the fast track to sainthood .
I too quit reading Krugman back in the fall of 2015 along with
most of the MSM. The neoliberalcon's are responsible for paving the way for the neo-fascist PumpkinFuhrer to be president. Last I checked, no 'stan' had 800+ military bases outside their own borders. That's the exception in American Exceptionalism.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
Pumpkin Fuehrer?
aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh hahahahhahahahahahahaha. That is the first time hearing that for me.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
A. Mitrovica is a good writer,
but he doesn't seem to realize that Krugman is a super-smart Nobeliste.
Please, A. Mitrovica! Show a little respect.
Krugman Lost Me Early
Maybe it's just me, but he seems to have lost his touch even in his professional field. He doesn't seem to make as much sense to me as he once did. I guess that rabid Hillary support rotted what was left of his mind.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Maybe when they do the
Maybe when they do the brainwashing of these Clinton-bots, they throw the thinking parts out with the bathwater?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.