My political epiphanies of 2016
Whenever media begins looking back at a year at around December 26, I automatically think, "But....what if something important happens between now and midnight, December 31?" However, today is January 6, a date also referred to variously as Twelfth Night, Epiphany, Theopany, Kings' Day, Three Kings' Day, Orthodox Christmas and Little Christmas. So, while I hope to have more epiphanies about 2016, I will not have any more epiphanies during 2016; and I can now look back at 2016 confidently. Typically, I would at least begin with something positive and important. http://caucus99percent.com/content/gratitude-and-laughter However, politically, 2016 was, for me, a confusing year. I will start with some of the political things that surprised me, even though I had imagined/assumed that I had worked through them before 2016.
First, realizing how very little Americans require of of their politicians breaks my heart and makes my tears well. (It's similar to the reaction that I have when I see an abused child displaying genuine affection to the abusive parent.) The massive D.C. (and Maryland, Virginia, Utah, etc.) operation is so incredibly costly in so many ways--blood, treasure, emotion, divisiveness, even between family members. But, just a snappy one-liner here and a finger-wagging while C-Span's cameras roll there, and we're beguiled, impressed, captivated--and grateful. Yet, no one's life improved a hair. I so hope that we focus more and more on public "servants' actually doing the job they sought--serving the public, not merely playing to the public. Speaking of which...
Before 2016, I was aware that Congress does not exactly work itself to death attending to the nation's business. Of course, I knew that. Most of what our alleged representatives "accomplish" has to do with taking care of their own futures and those of their loved ones, fundraising, campaigning, arranging a job for a family member, and/or negotiating a fat contract for influence peddling services of some kind. (Holla, Cantor, Dodd, Daschle, and far too many others.) Yet, in 2016, simple quantification of how very little they actually accomplish for us stunned me.
One politician and commentator after another, including President Obama, proclaimed that Hillary was the best qualified to be President in all of U.S. history. (I guess that told George Washington, didn't it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington Pffft.) Although Hillary was very good at getting jobs, she accomplished very little positive in any of the positions she obtained. How does that warrant hyperbolic praise, rather than being a disqualifier? More specifically, during her eight years as Senator, with every advantage from the Democratic Party at her back, she initiated very few bills that became law, maybe five. More significantly, not a one of her bills that became law was more than ceremonial. (Her record in other job titles was, IMO, similarly undistinguished, at best, but my focus is national elected office.)
For his part, Bernie founded the House Progressive Caucus (now the Congressional Progressive Caucus) and chaired it during its first eight years; wrote an amendment providing a lot of money for health care to the poor and got it into the ACA bill; and co-wrote a significant veterans' bill that became law. Each and all, those are very good things, especially for someone who not only refused to join either of the nation's two oldest and largest political parties, but criticized both publicly. On the other hand, no matter how much I supported Bernie, I would feel dishonest if I did not note that he has been in Congress for twenty-five years. that is a long time for two pieces of legislation, even two very important ones. (ETA: Based on a reply below, I found two more substantives pieces of legislation, both amendments, written Bernie Sanders that became law. One amended the Victims Justice Act by requiring corporations convicted of crimes to notify victims of the conviction and the other provided veterans with a cost of living increase. So make that four pieces of legislation over 25 years, consisting of one bill and three amendments.)
The shocking thing is that legislative records like the above are the rule, not the exception (which, btw, makes me realize anew what a legislative phenom Ted Kennedy was). During the primary, some of Hillary's supporters trumpeted a statistic: A U.S. Senator, on average, writes a bit over two bills a year that become law,whether substantive or purely ceremonial! Some Senators, like Rand Paul, are at zero bills of any kind during an entire career to date. It pains me how money, time, emotion, adulation and loyalty we, as a citizenry, lavish on national officeholders, especially if they run for President, while expecting almost nothing of them.
Also in 2016, an unusual number of people I once respected and/or admired stunned and/or disappointed me. The first to come to mind as I type is Gloria Steinem, a feminist who explained that Sanders' has female supporters because women want to be where the "boys" are. (Did I mention feminist?) The next item did not surprise me, but sometimes did repulse me: once it became apparent that Hillary would definitely be the nominee, one erstwhile Bernie supporter after another began pretending that Hillary is the best thing since sliced bread. (As an aside, I have no idea why something like Wonder BreadTM is supposedly superior to a baguette or bastone.) Some even castigated Bernie nastily for staying in the race, although Hillary herself had, in 2008, continued running well after the S.S. Remote Hope of Nomination had disappeared beyond the horizon. When challenged, she explained her behavior with an allusion to the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy following the California primary. (No words!) In this group, I include people like Charles Pierce and Thom Hartman. (Don't even get me started on Hillary supporters like Senator Boxer.)
Perhaps my saddest moment was national treasure Rep. John Lewis' implying that Hillary, not Bernie, was active in SNCC in the 1960s. Lewis will, and should, always be iconic to me, but that certainly was a shock and a disappointment, although he did take it back some time later. Also a disappointment was the shilling of George Clooney (including for all the money down ticket Dems were supposed to get from money donated to Hillary, which was not as touted), but he, too, has done and attempted far too much good in his lifetime for me to disdain him.
Yes, certainly worse political things than these happened during 2016. However, they did not stun, or even surprise, this frog, who has been luxuriating drowsily in the ever-warming water long enough to have become enured to many things. And, 2016 also saw marvelous political events. One of those was the rising of the Millennials. Proponents of austerity may well rue poking that sleeping giant demographic. I have posted about my personal experience of Senator Sanders, which is still not fully resolved. However, one of the truly spectacular political events of 2016 was a very credible Presidential nomination campaign devoid of corporate donations, dark money, PAC money, big DNC donor money, etc. The undeniable, indisputable proof that this was a realistic possibility was a political sea change that I welcomed euphorically. While not proven quite as indisputably, the strong evidence that Democrats cannot possibly survive if they continue trying to coast on messages like "yes, but Republicans are worse than we are" was also elating. So far, Democrats have not done much constructive about that evidence. To the contrary, they've been encouraging even more dissension and predicting the end of the world because Trump will be POTUS. However, I'm hoping they will "public servant up," after some time for reflection.
We also learned, I think, that voter enthusiasm does not suffice for a win. On the other hand, 2016 proved that decades in the "business," big bucks, big endorsements, a party closing ranks, "shenanigans," etc. don't suffice for a general win, either: The voters must like you and your message and trust you to deliver. While having your professional politician ducks in a row as well should clinch it, that's a hard premise to peddle, given President-Elect Trump and his campaign. (That Trump is indeed President Elect still seems surreal.) Perhaps most of all, voters proved they are not only fed up, but they are in your face, fricking, "I'd rather risk the end the world than keep letting you lot play me" fed up. I just hope that voters' patent determination not to support business as usual any longer causes politicians to make positive change(s), rather than causing them come up with more, worse and better-concealed "shenanigans" to rig elections.
I learned at least two other things about U.S. politics that I thought I had digested completely before 2016: One is that LOTE voting for a center right Democrat is the worst possible use of my vote, primary or general. The other is....
No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up.
Lily Tomlin
How about you?
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Unsliced bread (baguette and bastone)
The doll emerging from the slice of King's Cake feet first and bare bottom up, represents God made flesh, then made plastic. The person who gets the slice containing plastic baby Jesus will be King (or Queen?) for the day, assuming lucky winner doesn't choke or break a tooth and sue, or worse. Typically, the cake is done in Mardi Gras colors because Epiphany also marks the start of the season of Mardi Gras (which translates to "Fat Tuesday," mes amies). Mardi Gras season ends with Fat Tuesday, the day before Ash Wednesday, which, of course, begins the Lenten Season. So, "Laissez les bons temps rouler!" y'all. That translates roughly to....
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Mine. The final realization that vaguely supporting the
Democratic Party was not worth any effort in the least, they are irredeemably compromised.
I feel you. I should have mentioned Demexiting this summer.
Excellent summary.
I felt very similar- the Steinem and John Lewis moments were just crushing to me.
Two things I would add- after years of hearing Dem friends saying "of course I would like someone more progressive, but we need someone who can win"- we were presented with someone (Bernie) who was much more progressive and who COULD win. And they exposed themselves as faux progressives- they never really did want hope and change.
And also seeing Dem friends who were pretty knowledgeable,when knowing they were backing a scoundrel would turn to name calling- "misogynist" rather than even attempt to defend their support of the scoundrel.
I used to think most Dems were pretty good people who were on the right side on most issues BECAUSE they were pretty good people. The horrid behavior I have seen exhibited by many Dems now makes me think that they all along were pretty bad people who had ended up on the right side of most issues by sheer dumb luck. And given the opportunity would migrate over to support horrid positions- more accurately reflecting who they really are.
Your friends bought totally into
the false meme that liberals cannot win elections. When they say I want a progressive, but I want someone who can win, they are saying they will always vote for a centrist in the primary because the DINOs convinced them no other kind of Democrat can win the general. If they believe that false meme enough,they would not have believed that Sanders could win the general. I believed he could because I never bought into the meme. I know what the head-to-head polls showed, but they may or may not be reliable. In 2012, they showed Obama losing to every Republican whose name had been mentioned as a potential President nominee and to "Generic Republican." So, I would not have taken them to the bank.
I would, however, have noted Sanders' ability to draw crowds, even in red states, while Hillary had trouble filling a broom closet with very many besides her staffers. If ever there was a "tell" during a political primary, that was it.
The very first friend of mine who I asked to vote for Sanders in the primary said the exact same thing. She knew Hillary was "corporate," loved Sanders, but was going to vote for Hillar" because she did not want "another McGovern," which is always mentioned by the meme quoters. She had never heard of the DLC.
I sent her some links about how and why the DINOs devised that lie and showed her how many elections DINOs have lost. I don't recall if I also emailed her a link to this speech of Truman's and some excerpts. http://caucus99percent.com/content/harry-truman-may-17-1952-americans-de...
After she read some of the stuff, she called me elated. She had pivoted to Sanders enthusiastically and told me she'd been telling everyone she knew about the DLC.
And any Kennedy should win, because two family assisinations
lifts the surname to greatness. Reflecting back on Presidents, two syllable surname come out on top. I know not why. My surname is two syllable,as is son's, daughter's is now one syllable, French-Canadian probably.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
The taller candidate tends to win, too, tho not always.
Oddly, that's been so since 1789, before wikipedia, before TV, before cameras.
It's the reason that the Commission on Presidential Debates limits (or used to--not sure about current rules) the amount of time that the two candidates are together on camera in a way that viewers can tell who is taller. I know the rules specified the handshakes at the beginning and end were okay, maybe more. But there was definitely a limit. Heaven forbid viewer get much of a chance to notice anything during a Presidential debate that might influence their decision!
Only one thing blindsided me this year, only one.
And that was how quickly my best friend, the low info, low education, low intelligence, right wing leaning, actual Trump voter, welder replied when I asked him who he woulda voted for if it had been Trump vs Bernie?
Tim usually stutters and hems and haws when you ask him a personal question but in this one case there was no stutter, no hesitation. In fact he replied almost before I had finished asking.
He said 'Bernie'.
I'd like to point out here that sure, perhaps Bernie has only 2 bills he authored enacted BUT, let's please not forget all his work on changing legislation for the better for the people. They don't call him the Amendment king for no reason.
Extreme cynicism in the search for truth is no vice. It's a requirement of citizenship.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
One of the two bills I mentioined WAS an amendment
(to the ACA). So, the two bills in 25 years mentioned in the OP consisted of one full law and one amendment. I, too, had heard of the nickname, but never saw any specifics.* If you know of any other important amendments (1) that Sanders wrote or co-wrote and (2) that actually became law, please post a few words of description or a link. (That he wrote that became law are the key phrases. Anyone can support someone else's bill and anyone can write crap that goes nowhere. Hillary wrote a lot of bills that died in committee. In her case, thank the committee, because she wrote two so-called lag burning bills, much as many Republicans have.
Grayson also did amendments, but I can't cite anything specific by him that got passed into law. as to him, though I never looked. I did look as to Sanders and Hillary. I should not how hard this kind of info is to find. In the USA, finding how many bills a candidate wrote that became law should not be difficult to learn, but it is.
However, Sanders per se was not the point. I simply pointed to the two candidates in the Democratic primary and not to diss either of them or to re-litigate a moot primary, but to say Hillary and Sanders typical of Senators and shouldn't we be expecting more of government in general?
google isn't your friend
but still I'd expect someone of your education and smarts to maybe use it on occasion anyway.
Quite honestly I really thought you'd be more informed.
If I seem annoyed it's because I am.
https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in...
Click the links. look it up. There are thousands more links showcasing Bernie's good work FOR THE PEOPLE.
How many deals has Bernie brokered or cut that won't show up on paper? Maybe ask his colleagues?
Maybe open your eyes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments....
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record...
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357
I could go on and on and on.
Do you have any evidence of Bernie coasting and having a do nothing career?
LET'S SEE IT.
Not opinion, evidence.
Bernie's a do nothing? BULL FREAKING SHIT
STOP IT!
Edit: From the NYTimes link above
STOP IT!
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
Wow. Could you possibly distort my post more?
First, don't presume and don't dare pretend familiarity while posting to me so rudely. You know zero about my education.
Second, seems as though you get annoyed easily, this being the second time in as many days you've posted about how annoyed you were. The first time it was because I posted "Women are lawyers too," not exactly the most provocative statement in the history of political message boards. So, with apologies to Shania Twain, your annoyance "don't impress me much."
The post to which you are replying so rudely this time was totally civil. In fact, the only uncivil post on this thread is yours and, yes, I will reply somewhat in kind, so this one, too. This time, though, let me be much more more clear than I was a couple of days ago:
You do not have my permission to be rude to me or to insult me. I post on issues and issues only, unless someone gets out of line with me. When they do, they usually regret it sooner or later. And you've been out of line with me twice in as many days. I have no idea why you seem to want me as an enemy, and, candidly, I don't much care. I can accommodate you, though; and I can be very good at it. I'm much less clumsy at it than pretending someone posted something they never posted, using curses and all caps and going drama queen/victim.
Call that a warning, a threat or a promise as you prefer. I don't care which. However, personal pissing contests are nowhere near as interesting to me as they seem to be to you. I'd much rather post on issues. So, why not just take your own orders and "STOP IT."
I know you're a lawyer. Edit, I misread, I do not know
Edit, the following sentence is unsupportable. I misread the titles in a thread. So .. I don't know anything of the educational backround.
I stand corrected.
So I know something of your education, unless you were lying. about being a lawyer, which I don't believe you are..
You heard he was the amendment king, but didn't bother to look it up, yet you feel it's fine to denigrate his services with
and cast his services as having done little.
It looks like dishonest political character assassination.
And then to dismiss his work with the wave of the uninformed hand
You write like you know and understand what's going on. Why would you write this if you had no clue why they call him the amendment king? I know there are those who do not want the Bernie wing of the left to become ascendant. Given your admitted lack of knowledge of his work, you're dismissiveness of Bernie's work leads me to wonder if you are not among those.
I understand that you're disappointed with what the Dems have accomplished. With what the congress critters have accomplished It IS precious little for the pay.
Okay I'll stop here. I hadn't read a previous reply you made to me in another thread until just now.
I'll just avoid you also going forward (after I post this)
just let me say, My mom burned her bra, along with about 20 other women. In my presence.
And I think your full of crap counselor.
fare-thee-well. you can't get along with everyone
Oops, one last thing. I'm too sick to take ANY concern of your threats.
Trust me sister, there is NOTHING you could do to cause me regret.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
You don't know squat. I've never posted about my work or
my education. One of the reasons I've put very little personal info on any message board is that I noticed early in my posting career that, at the drop of a hat, a certain type of poster will use any personal information they can against whoever posted it.
Inasmuch as my prior reply contained all I have to say to you about this, I saw no reason to the rest of your reply. I did, however, happen to see at a glance your rude use of "sister." While that doesn't surprise me, given how annoyed you got because I posted simply "Women are lawyers, too." I will point out that I've never posted my gender here, either.
NOTE: This is a recreation of a prior double post. At about the same time, I deleted one duplicate, leaving the comment Deleted. Duplicate. and an admin deleted the other, at about the same time. Then the admin deleted my deleted comment, leaving no record at all of the post. Having ascertained that the post was not deleted because of its content, I decided to recreate. Meanwhile, the other poster had seen the original of this post and edited his.
FTR, I did follow the links in your
This was my request: "If you know of any other important amendments (1) that Sanders wrote or co-wrote and (2) that actually became law, please post a few words of description or a link."
You did not reply with one like to a bill or a specific description of any bill, but instead gave links to articles with a vague claims and an amateur video. All that devolved to exactly two more amendments--over a 25 year period--that Sanders wrote that became law that my essay had not originally mentioned, plus some disinformation in the video about the federal reserve transparency act.
While two additional amendments come nowhere near warranting the nature of your reply to a polite request for specific info, two additional amendments is not nothing. I have edited my essay to include them, reflecting one bill and three amendments over 25 years, instead one bill and one amendment. The general point, however, still stands.
And again, dissing Sanders or Hillary was not at all the point of that portion of my essay. I mentioned simply because they were two legislators who had just run for President and received a lot of support, some of idolatry. The point was, I think we elect and pay legislators primarily to pass good, substantive legislation and to block bad legislation, not only to write things that die in committee or to make speeches that don't result in either passing good legislation or blocking bad legislation. And it shocked me how little most of them do of the two things that, IMO, we elect them to do, especially when they still receive our adulation. Your reply certainly reinforced that portion of my essay.
And, of course, my statements about Bernie and Hillary were very specific. For just one example, nowhere did I say that either Bernie or Hillary had done nothing at all during their years in Congress. Obviously, they read bills, added their name to some, opposed others (whether they succeeded in actually blocking them or not), wrote bills that died in committee, voted on bills, etc. And I knew enough about Bernie and Hillary's records to make the comments in the essay, precisely because I did research them. Coming up with bs articles that favor or oppose one candidate or another is not hard; finding actual bill numbers or descriptions and other specific info is not easy.
With the primary over and Sanders' having endorsed Hillary, I don't have the inclination to wade through vague and/or hyperbolic claims that are not backed up with specifics. Bill numbers or the kind of specific information my essay gives about what passed would be great, but I am not chasing down more hyperbolic praise that is not backed up with references to specific legislation. I did enough of that during the primary.
Except for the two additional amendments (or any more than anyone else may bring to my attention with specific info), I more than stand by my essay as originally posted.
Nice essay HW, thanks. Highly revelatory epoch, it was.
Started very early on for me. I remember a couple of years ago the beginnings of a visceral feeling of nausea and disquiet about the gathering storm of a Hillary coronation. Thought it was strange for me, because I had pretty much sworn off electoral politics after Occupy. But seeing all the ugly machinations begin to start churning, in the media, at TOP and friends who all just accepted it was fait accompli, just got my dander up.
To watch the typically clueless and infuriating out-of-touch Neoliberal hand of the Clinton campaign at work, flubbing every chance at public relations, proving so transparently how vapid and venal they truly were, was astonishing but so predictable. They were so out of touch, right from the beginning. The flat-footed, pandering tweets that would come. Such as after the first Repug debate, something like "betcha like to vote for a Democrat now" or some other cringe-worthy attempt at faux folksiness. There was also the, "tell us in 3 emojis or less how you feel about your student debt." Holy shit, if this didn't fill people with the same indignation I had, I thought, then we're asleep. It did; there was a good firestorm. It became so obvious to what degree these disconnected, entitled and privileged 1% Neoliberal assholes sucking up to the banks were, and the kinds of lemming minions they hired to do all the dirty work of misinformation and false flattery, in hopes that they too would gain admission into the vestibules of the parties at the Big Club.
Yes, the millennial support and especially the big F-You of Bernie to only accept small individual contributions, all in support of an openly socialist candidate, was downright revolutionary. It proved many things. Chief among them was it shattered the crusty Beltway wisdom that one had appeal to Big Money in order to compete. Second, was the obliteration of the propaganda lie that socialism would never float in America. All it took was the right deliverer to speak very directly and focused about the fundamental issues of how money in politics has utterly ruined politics and is responsible for the chronic dysfunction and Revolving Door in DC, and, hammer the theme that the "business model of Wall St is fraud" and tying Neoliberalism and its archetype Hillary to it in order to illustrate the depths of the problem.
Put this together after coming back from the amazing "Euphoria And A Hero's Welcome for #BernieInThe Bronx, Mostly Passionate Black and Brown Young Folks" (Warning: link to TOP). Take a look at the faces of the folks who enthusiastically showed up in support. That, is what I'll always remember. As one of the most illustrative examples of the moat between the two campaigns, the juxtaposition of $hills on that very same day speaking to "maybe 500" people at a tightly controlled speech at a college in Westchester, in which 50 students got up chanted "if she wins, we lose" and marched out, while Bernie effortlessly had the most adoring and diverse crowd, in excess of 30k, I'd ever witnessed (including Obama '08), on just a few days notice, pretty much said it all. There's no way I'll ever believe that Bernie lost NYC. No. Fucking. Way. Glad to see a Bernie activist here has put together a play on his amazing run, and in the interview she also proclaimed that there was no way she believed he lost NYC.
The media blacked out All.Of.This. Bernie regularly attracted immense crowds and was winning on the ground in almost all states (outside of the South), despite being an unknown quantity competing against an international celebrity/veteran governing official with every advantage in the world. I won't even speak about the rampant voter suppression and electoral fraud. Everybody here pretty much knows the score; the rest of the country bought the duplicitous and complicit MSM narrative that it was sour grapes and conspiracy to say such things. Of course, sadly, when the books are written of this epoch, we'll all know the truth.
There just so, so many things....it was a highly revelatory epoch.
John Lewis was singularly disappointing. The sleaziness of the Clintons pervades all of this stuff. I'm always left thinking, "who approached him and in what manner, to say such things clearly designed to discredit Bernie?"
Other journalists and activists I really admired, such Tom Haydn and Thom Hartmann, Kurt Eichenwald and Henry Louis Gates, all bit the dust for me. There were so many more too; it's hard to keep track. All of MSNBC became a dark joke. What was funny was that if you read between the lines so much of it was tepid support. Haydn was ripped in the comments section of the Nation, where his "endorsement" appeared. Gates actually gave an impassioned response at an event with Ken Burns about how economic inequality and class are the most pressing issues of our time...but finished meekly, by admitting that he supported Hillary. That in a nutshell was 2016 for me.
The Dem Party though? Every last one of them, including so-called progressives such as Sherrod Brown and Elizabeth Warren who are suspect, to say the least, to me from here on out, have become persona non grata. They proved for all-time they have no desire to return to the Party of the People. Thomas Frank has done some of the finest, most incisive work to that end (in his latest book, "Listen, Liberal" and speaking appearances for it) and deserves great credit for laying it all bare, at the feet of the Clintons and Obama, the "New Democrats," who sold out the government for the campaign donations of Wall St and the votes of the top 10% professional class.
Bernie Sanders would have wiped out Drumpf - in a fucking landslide.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Thanks so much, Mark, for a great reply and the kind words.
You are always so generous and thoughtful.
I had forgotten about Haydn. Frank's book makes a great holiday or birthday present. I wish I had thought to post that early in December!
So many have bought into the myth that you must vote for a DINO in the primary unless you want a Republican to win the general and you must vote for the DINO in the general unless you want a Republican to win. So, just never vote for anyone you really want to be President. What a crock! But a lot of time, money and energy has been invested in propagating it, without the equivalent on the side of liberals.
I agree with everything you posted, with one quibble: IMO, Sanders is openly a Democratic Socialist, not openly socialist. He advocated Scandinavian style socialism, which is more of a generous New Deal than classic socialism. In fact, in one of his speeches at one of the colleges, Sanders compared his philosphy in detail with the New Deal.
Sanders did not run openly on government control of the means of production. For many reasons, including how brainwashed Americans have been since the 1800s against socialism, I think it important to make the distinctions. The terms get conflated a lot, so I am tempted to call government control of the means of production "true" socialism," despite the "true Scotsman" logical fallacy. dhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Thanks again.
Very good essay, Henry--
One of my biggest disappointments was in Elizabeth Warren refusing to endorse until it was 'safe'. If she'd have come out for Sanders in a timely fashion, it would have been game over for Clinton, I believe. Al Franken's endorsement of Clinton was also a blow to my sense of who I thought he was. Mr. Author of the Liars, Masters of Sophistry and General Dead Souls books.
I've concluded, that in part, the the motivation for doing this on the part of the aforementioned two and those you've mentioned, Henry, (including Sanders himself) was based on fear. Fear of a Trump candidacy. (perhaps in Sanders' case, the fear of being murdered or a family member made to disappear.) Fear is the mind killer. Especially irrational fears based on abstracts.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Neither Franken nor Warren surprised me.
Based on her wiki and the assurance to Republicans of a prominent Republican who taught with her at Harvard that Warren was no threat to the right, it took the longest time for me to come to like Warren, but, even then, I was tentative. Warren knows she is a Senator because Obama and the DNC backed her, full stop. Warren signed the letter all female Senators signed quite some time ago, urging Hillary to run for President (as if Hillary needed urging. Hell, she probably drafted the letter.) And I don't believe that all those cagey answers she gave for months about not running that left room for interpretation were just one coincidentally"parse-able" reply after another. And she had to have known that people were donating millions to organizations that supposedly were going to get her to run. Yet, she continued to play word games. BTW, Sanders said he had been waiting to see if she would run before he announced. So either he lied about that, or she wasn't clear with him, either.
Of course, she is among those I had in mind when I wrote in the OP about finger wagging while C-Span's cameras are rolling. So far, she has not written a substantive bill that has become law, not a one, yet she is supposedly such a liberal icon that they made her the liaison to the left of Senate Democrats. Exactly how lame is the left, anyway, that showboating is all it takes to be our goddess? (Of course, Senate Democrats should not need a liaison to the left and really don't need one, so that was D.C. kabuki on everyone's part, including hers in accepting the slot.
Franken? He never met a cut to SNAP that he didn't like. They've both been good Democratic soldiers.
As for Sanders, as I said, my experience is still unresolved for me, perhaps because I donated and raised so much money for his primary campaign and something just is not feeling right. That troubles me as to the people I got to donate far more than it does about my donations. I don't regret a nickel I donated from my money.
http://caucus99percent.com/content/my-inner-journey-sanders-date#new
http://caucus99percent.com/content/my-inner-journey-sanders-date-phase-
Just still unresolved and probably always will be. I haven't donated a nickel to his revolution, though.
As for the alleged threat, I understand that the assumption that he was threatened is part of this board's culture. Although some demur, I've seen many here discuss an alleged threat as though it were indisputable fact, but I have seen zero evidence that he was threatened. I haven't even seen a good argument for suspecting he was threatened.
Based on that, I'm wondering if people were so disappointed by his endorsement that they had to create or adopt a theory about why he had no choice about endorsing her. Then, it got repeated so many times that people forgot it was only a theory. I have however, seen a good amount of evidence that his endorsement of Hillary is entirely consistent with his political behavior since Jesse Jackson ran for President. I described it in this essay. http://caucus99percent.com/content/spoiler-candidates-and-protest-votes-... I am not saying it didn't happen. I am saying that I see zero basis to claim it happened and claiming it happened doesn't make it so.
As for his relying on the fact that people would know he had his fingers crossed when he endorsed and campaigned for he because of something he said during the primary, I'm afraid I don't buy that, either. In any event, it's over and done is done. Except to try resolve things in my own mind to my own satisfaction, so I can be at peace about the fundraising bit, I won't dwell on it. Generally, I just generally glide over posts that references to a threat, but I try to reply to everything on a thread I've started. So, this is my two cents on that subject.
With respect to politics I am an addlebrained simpleton . . .
so I think in very simple concrete terms. Compared to me, Bernie is only a few years older, and of a similar frame of mind. I was surprised when it was suggested the African American community would not support his candidacy. 2016 taught me that anyone that shares my values, and sensitivities is an unacceptable candidate for President of the USofA. In simple terms my kind are not welcome. Maybe I should have immigrated to Australia, or at least emigrated from the USofA. And, that's all I have to say about that.
But you must know that USAns are not welcome many places
unless they come with buckets of...fluidity. Rules out all but the 1%.
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We are presumed to be wealthy.
My experiences are limited (geographically) to the western part of the USofA and a few of those travelers that pass through. Most non-citizens I have met have made it clear that i would be welcome in their home country. The other limitation is professionally, other than chance encounters I know two segments of world travelers. I know many physicists from outside the USofA and many people than travel to central Nebraska in March to see the "world-class" spring migration of Grus canadensis.
Beyond that I have only heard via movies and a few acquaintances that have traveled abroad the notion that tourist from this country are thought to be rich and arrogant. I am certain that I would not be safe in particular locations outside the USofA, but that would be true in some US cities as well. So, I recognize any perception I might have could be severely flawed and prefer to withhold judgment.
The day you're an addlebrained simpleton is the day
I finally understand and solve one of your physics problems--and in record time, too. (Why not? Inasmuch as it's purely hypothetical, I may as well set a record. Why stint on myself?)
So far, I've gotten only that I'll age faster in a penthouse and something about Schrödinger's cat that I picked up from Big Bang Theory because TV sitcoms know how to simplify things for the likes of me (and Penny). I think I got that I should not open the box unless I'm as ready to see dead cat as as I am to see a live one. However, if the box is in my garden apartment, where I am aging slowly, I should open it lest the cat that may be dead starts smelling up the place.
Nailed it, right?
I am not sure I am interpreting your post or the thrust of your post correctly, so forgive me if my reply is not on point. I believe Americans do want a President like Sanders. The PTB of the Democratic Party didn't want him as nominee, that's for sure. Neither did establishment media, also for sure--and quantified and proven by the Tyndall Report. But, that's only the 1%.
As to the African American community, their opposition happened so early on, and was drumbeated so much, that I am inclined to think it came from the Hillary campaign early on, much like Bernie Bros, the misogyny bs and, in 2008, the African Muslim stuff about Obama. And, if Obama and the DNC wanted Hillary, I am not surprised that many African Americans, who are one of the most loyal Democratic demographics, did as well, even though the 2008 primary had ticked off many African Americans.
As you no doubt know, the stuff about white males being Bernie's base and only base was nonsense. The real break in the demographics was older vs. younger, with the younger ones going for Sanders. I think 40 or 45 was the demarcation, but I can't swear to that recollection. Within both the younger group and the older group was plenty of diversity of all kinds. So, it wasn't even that African Americans rejected Sanders, it was that older primary voters tended to vote for Hillary.
There is also this: http://caucus99percent.com/content/my-political-epiphanies-2016#comment-...
and this http://ijr.com/2015/11/481544-black-lives-matter-supporters-give-hard-hi...
versus this https://thinkprogress.org/bernie-sanders-new-racial-justice-platform-win...
And, while all the rigging that got reported may not all have occurred, I have little doubt some of it did.
So, in all, I would not draw any conclusions about whom America may or may not have wanted as President. In my view, given a choice between Trump and Sanders, Americans would have voted for Sanders, but, of course, we'll never know.
And, because tradition dictates that I respond to you with a music video....
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Sleepy, off to bed
Hard being an orphan. Nitey.
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Your virtual substitute family says sleep well.
I know that isn't for real, but the only thing we can do. Hugs.
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Has anyone else noticed: (edit)
Typing this:
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No longer displays the referenced video when the "preview" button is activated:8:18 PM CST
The code above now displays the video below.
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Hi RIP
I know, i did a major software upgrade yesterday and now am fixing bugs as they pop up, as they always do when major software changes are made.
What you noticed was one of the bugs.
Thanks for the reification.
As one who once was in your situation I checked to make sure the problem was robust before dropping the note. My experience is that some glitches get attention first and the more obscure wrinkles get ironed out only after some user trips over the obscure blip in the road.
RIP
So....I did NOT break the internet? Thanks! Good to know!
What? You didn't break it? I so much hoped you would!
Someone has to do it. Sigh. Now we continue being internet slaves. Where are the heroes these days?
/too much snarkilicious essays and comments these days around here. I try to keep up with you and adjust.
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We have heroes right on this board.
JTC, Joe, enhydra,and all the other good souls who are so faithful and smart with their open threads every week. NC Tim who does the same brilliantly, while saying good bye to the wife he adores. Joe, who impresses me so much every day with Evening Blues. Johnsit, so prolific and intelligent and on and on.
oh, now I am amazed that you didn't get my teasing tone
.... you don't have to tell me who are the heroes of this site. I wouldn't be here if it were not for them. My snarky teasers don't seem to be formutated right. ESL friggingly is cursing me.
The only reason why I wouldn't name all the people I like and admire for their comments and writing is that I fear to hurt those who I happen not to name. There are many here who I would consider like my virtual house friends. I like them and admire and/or respect them. I don't understand some sometimes, but heh, that's my special mimi curse, ya know? I believe in evil spirits who curse me and make my life uncomfortable... ahem /s.
I try to joke around. Just for clarification. In case it's needed.
Peace.
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You do fine for ESL, or ETL.
Keeps reined in. I am learning Quebec francais, many new slang terms. So I know.
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I have cousins born and raised abroad, to an Armenian Dad.
They are fluent in French, English, Arabic, Armenian, to the point that they can write scientific papers in all four. I read one in English (the psychological impacts of cancers that affect the face). While it was flawless as far as grammar and, as far as I could tell, usage, but the scientific vocabulary was so far over my head that I cannot evaluate it. I can't express what a shlub I feel like in their presence, though I do love and admire them.
I don't understand why Americans don't get taught languages however they are taught abroad. Maybe it's our ears? We don't even imitate foreign accents very well. I marvel at the skills of actors from other countries speaking "Americglish" in films while having to act at the same time.
Oh, I got it, all right.
I replied as I did precisely because I did get it.
ok, that I didn't get, so, in any case, I didn't mean to
offend. Hope that settles it.
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