Déjà vu. Something Stinks.

Matt Taibbi joins the WTF is really going on crowd.

I have been arguing that yet another major misinformation campaign has been going on passed on very thin and dubious information backed up by little or no evidence. Something as dangerous as a country attempting "roll-back" or "regime change" if you prefer via cyber warfare requires some hard evidence. The 13 page document released was a full of basically hot air encapsulated in jargon and conjecture and nothing else. A document this vacuous being used as supporting evidence for diplomatic reprisals should send up warning flares visible to anyone even half awake. Yet the New York Times thundered as if it was all the evidence required, just as they did with WMD that lead to the fiasco that is the Middle East today.

Now back to the Taibbi article a few points stand out:

War rhetoric.

Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham noted the "small price" Russia paid for its "brazen attack." The Democratic National Committee, meanwhile, said Thursday that taken alone, the Obama response is "insufficient" as a response to "attacks on the United States by a foreign power."

Building up the outrage

The "small price" is an eyebrow-raiser. Also, like the WMD story, there's an element of salesmanship the government is using to push the hacking narrative that should make reporters nervous. Take this line in Obama's statement about mistreatment of American diplomats in Moscow:

"Moreover, our diplomats have experienced an unacceptable level of harassment in Moscow by Russian security services and police over the last year."

The desired result;

As noted in The Intercept and other outlets, an Economist/YouGov poll conducted this month shows that 50 percent of all Clinton voters believe the Russians hacked vote tallies.

This number is nearly as disturbing as the 62 percent of Trump voters who believe the preposterous, un-sourced Trump/Alex Jones contention that "millions" of undocumented immigrants voted in the election.

The obvious

But we've been burned before in stories like this, to disastrous effect. Which makes it surprising we're not trying harder to avoid getting fooled again.

I recommend reading the whole thing.

Americans really should be asking some basic questions:

  1. Assuming the Russians did "hack" the Democratic Party emails and released them and by the way nobody has disputed their veracity, how did a party's own words bring them down?
  2. How did part of the story move from merely accessing emails via a phishing procedure lead to accusations of hacking voting machines and hence the tally of the actual vote.
  3. After basically accusing the FBI of being a Republican Party agent against Hillary how have they suddenly become a reliable source.
  4. After decades of CIA lies, dirty tricks and misinformation that lead to war, carnage and war crimes they are now believed without question.

It is déjà vu all over again.

My only observation/conclusion in all of this thus far:

  • If our democracy is sufficiently weak as to be overturned by the release of actual campaign emails then should we not be looking at our democracy's stability itself?
  • If it is that weak then there is something fundamentally wrong with our system itself, perhaps?
  • Is the something more nefarious going on here? [Think NDAA 2017]

Our own governments record as a reliable source has been, by its own actions, discredited for decades. Our own governments foreign policy with respect to "roll back/regime change" has been the cause of "why do the hate us" for the same period.

The result of all the propaganda has been that the propaganda itself is taken as valid almost without question. The first question to ask is who owns the media that you rely upon as a source...... The illusion of choice.

People seem now to believe extraordinary claims, justifying extraordinary reactions, without the extraordinary evidence they actually require.

Cyber-warfare can be as at least as harmful as physical warfare itself, and it doesn't even require a farcical AUMF to be launched. It could also lead to actual physical conflict/war.

Anyone pointing out the lack of actual evidence is being labelled as borderline traitorous, does this sound familiar? Ah yes and not that long ago either.

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Lily O Lady's picture

Snowden still hiding out in Russia.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

government seemed to want him there by preventing him going anywhere else.

It is truly farcical.

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Lily O Lady's picture

astronauts get to and from the International Space Station on Russian rockets. It appears nobody has thought this whole mess out.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

The trouble is this type of nonsense tends to spread.

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The "retired" Space Shuttle was a limo in physical comparison. Happy New Years (in spite of tRump) to everyone. Rec'd!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

Lily O Lady's picture

space travel for humans in favor of foreign governments such as Russia and private programs such as Elon Musk's SpaceX. We still have humans in space, but have given up the means of transporting them.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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Otherwise they might, though I think it a long shot (no pun intended). They'd be punishing astronauts, not a nation. That's not an act of war, that is just plain murder. Besides, Putin has already taken the high road by refusing to entertain Obama's exaggerated outrage by not reciprocating in expelling U.S.diplomats, and in fact, letting them keep their dachas.

Putin is a murderous thug but he's displaying an intelligent approach which cannot be matched by the participating politicians of the sǝʇɐʇS pǝʇᴉu∩. I think they are hell bent on bring back the cold war. This time in the digital domain.

Nice essay, Feminista.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
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Considering that Putin biography has been written by the CIA, how sure can you be that he's a murderous thug? It's clear that every President since JFK has been a murderous thug of some sort if you presume the actions of the CIA and/or US military as the actual work of the President.

Claims that he murdered opponents arise occasionally. Generally, the targets are people in some way involved or financed by the NED, State Dept, CIA who unsuccessfully tried to undermine Putin's government (for ex, the collection of street demonstrations in 2011). Whatever Putin's sins, they have been reported, described, perhaps invented by the same source that is saying that he hacked our elections. That is, the government agency that has been lying to the American public, has lied about its own dirty work for seventy years, is the source for all the stories about bad man Putin, just like bad man Assad, bad man Ghadafy, bad man Saddam, bad man bin Laden, bad man Castro, bad man Sukarno, bad man Ho Chi Minh, bad man Mossadegh, bad man Allende, and all those other bad men who somehow are not working for the the greater goals of corporate America.

It's a small aside in this discussion, but I would hope that people wouldn't feel the need to presume the evilness of someone targeted by our intelligence services as automatically evil.

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Bisbonian's picture

but blew past it on to something else. Thanks for stopping to address that little thread of propaganda.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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American astronauts are not able to leave the space station until thoroughly indoctrinated in MK Ultra style by the Russkies. I have definitive evidence, to wit: "because I said so".

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

I think it has to do alot with Syria and our frustrated plans for regime change. And egos. I suspect Obama does not take embarrassment lightly.

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behaviors that not embarrass him but also embarrass the nation. I thought that, in the least, Obama would be less of an embarrassment than Sarah Palin would have been. Sarah said she could see Russia from her house but Obama now says he sees Russians in every house. Maybe Putin has even hacked Obama's Blackberry and put a bug in the Oval Office?

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What Palin said was that one can see Russia from Alaska, which technically is only true from Little Diomede Island.

Little Diomede is the island closer to Alaska.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

Sorry, duplicate.

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Saber-rattling against Russia could provide an excuse to scare the country into accepting more losses of freedom. It is also an excuse for the MIC to make more money selling weapons.

TPTB do not care if they trash the economy for ordinary folks with their cold war. Their kids will not be the ones in body bags if they start more hot wars with boots on the ground.

Some of them even think they can survive a nuclear war.

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Is it not true?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
By JO BECKER and MIKE McINTIRE APRIL 23, 2015

… At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

… Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed important to national security.

… the ultimate authority to approve or reject the Russian acquisition rested with the cabinet officials on the foreign investment committee, including Mrs. Clinton — whose husband was collecting millions in donations from people associated with Uranium One.

… “This deal had generated press, it had captured the attention of Congress and it was strategically important,” said Richard Russell, who served on the committee during the George W. Bush administration. “When I was there invariably any one of those conditions would cause this to get pushed way up the chain, and here you had all three.”

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Because it doesn't fit in the narrative. Considering that the NSA is forever hacking into other people's computers around the world, and listening to phone calls and infiltrating your video games, you would think that someone in the media would point that out. But they don't.

While the DNC is now wringing its hands over wikileaks there were plenty of stories about the Clinton Foundation, and that wonderful deal where the DNC laundered donations through 33 state Democratic parties. You can draw a line between donations to the Clinton Foundation and the regimes that got arms deals in the Mideast (House of Saud, Qatar) who have been arming ISIS. That itself should have gotten a shitload of people in the current Administration indicted. But the laws are different for them.

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the entire case, the entire scandal, the entire level of importance, a level high enough for the administration to lie about the leaker's identity in every media outlet possible, right here:

You can draw a line between donations to the Clinton Foundation and the regimes that got arms deals in the Mideast (House of Saud, Qatar) who have been arming ISIS. That itself should have gotten a shitload of people in the current Administration indicted.

For treason.

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dervish's picture

to the Russians too, via a company called Joule. He received warrants for 75,000 shares.

The hypocrisy is thick.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

It seems to me they would want to institute a system (aka paper trail) to protect the real vote. e.g. Vote by mail on paper like we have in Oregon.

The jump in logic from phishing for emails to changing votes is sillier even than the aluminum tubez fiasco. And that was clearly a lie from the get-go.

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ever increasing lack of proof.

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don't want a hackable election system?

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No one ever asks why the Democrats never worked to abolish the Electoral College after the 2000 election. Good question.

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Big Al's picture

for political/geopolitical objectives, and not about cyber security or foreign meddling in our elections. Of course, half the people will believe this shit, they'll believe anything and it's always been that way.

We don't live in a democracy btw. Never have and probably never will. That's the thing about this bullshit about the effect on the election. It obfuscates the real issue which is the entire election was a farce, no amount of hacking or foreign meddling would change that. It's not democracy, it's all power games played at the top of the food chain. The rest of us are irrelevant.

The lesson we should be getting is that we have to change this political system and we can't wait any longer.

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something he could be "impeached" over perhaps, giving them Pence.

Our "democracy" is basically a neo-liberal Oligarchy with both "sides" owned by the same paymasters. Hence the need for wedge issues to distinguish one from the other.

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10 minutes after he is sworn in. There is a good chance they could get something out of one of his ongoing lawsuits if they prefer that. The Rs may not want to take the time for an impeachment before they have the cabinet in place. As long as Trump signs whatever they tell him to sign there is not enough need for the Rs to throw him out of office.

Trump supporters will need to be prepared for his ouster; a lot of them will be furious. The financial stuff should upset the Trump base at least as much as some BS about ties to Russia would. The Russia hacking is not nearly as credible as the yellow cake and tubez.

Trump's personal bodyguards may not be such a bad idea. I detest Trump, but I want him to peacefully take the oath of office on Jan 20. Hopefully Putin will hold off any idiocy on our part until then. This setup feels weird to me too.

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it's positioning in case Trump does something they don't like.

Call it a protection racket for the owners.

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It reminds me of McCain and Clinton teaming up during the 2008 primaries with that 3 a.m. ad. Around that time both of them were growling about making Iran glow. I think one can presume that in the halls of power they are both on the same side, and you can throw in Graham.

After all, it was Clinton's Nuland who oversaw the Ukraine coup, and in the months leading up to it there was McCain onstage in Kiev standing next to genuine fascists.

Despite the professional wrestling of American politics, they are on the same side.

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Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, they're always trying to stir up some kind of trouble.

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from the very beginning, and IMO they continue to do so. I think he'll be a much tougher nut to crack than they imagine. As you say, Trump's personal bodyguards may not be such a bad idea. In fact they are a very good idea, one that indicates he's been thinking well ahead.

The US "deep State" such as it is, has enormous resources and very wide influence, but it is not well organized, and it does not seem to have been functioning very single-mindedly, or even intelligently, of late. I can imagine Trump being able to find enough elbow room within it to exercise a certain degree of control, if he plays his cards right. And he hasn't mis-played a single card yet, as far as I can see.

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Somewhere, at some time, if Trump goes beyond what will be allowed, he will end up at his own Grassy Knoll.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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If one believes the part in the play that Trump seeks rapprochement with Russia and Putin, then it certainly appears to be aimed at Trump also. And of course, it's really aimed at the American people.

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Everyone notes our "security" agencies dirty tricks abroad, but often forget the same strategies are also used at home.

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sojourns's picture

I think it is safe to say that Pence is acutely aware of Drumpf's vulnerabilities. It is no wonder that he takes up the slack already being demonstrated by Drump's highly visible lack of concern for reading security briefings and anything else that he just doesn't want to do. That builds confidence in the congress that, at the end of the day, it will be worth the effort to dispatch Drumpf back to his fairy tale existence. I can imagine Pence already looking at himself in the mirror every morning saying, "Good morning Mr. President, how are you today?".

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

prefer Pence to be President. Trump, sometimes, will not do as he's told. I'm sure a lot of leverage will be gained by the threat of impeachment from the Kochs.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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Give him a little power and he would hold on to it with a death grip and exercise it. A lot.

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

Pence is nothing without ALEC, etc.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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"Democracy: two wolves and a lamb deciding on what to have for lunch."

Posted this Taibbi article on the Book of Faces yesterday. Crickets. It would be hilarious, if not so pathetic.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

I have no problem believing that Vladimir Putin tried to influence the American election. He's gangster-spook-scum of the lowest order and capable of anything. And Donald Trump, too, was swine enough during the campaign to publicly hope the Russians would disclose Hillary Clinton's emails. So a lot of this is very believable.

But we've been burned before in stories like this, to disastrous effect. Which makes it surprising we're not trying harder to avoid getting fooled again.

Taiibi's too smart not to know the whole Russia hacking story is a crock, but instead he fence straddles the entire article and finally just throws up his hands with a phony 'Idunno'.

For a guy who used to have no problem calling out government BS when he saw it, he sure hems and haws now. Like Michael Moore, just another celebrity Progressive who's had his edge dulled by a little fame and fortune.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Even if Russia did everything that was said, it was the Democrats own words and actions that lost them the Presidency, Senate, House and State Governors and legislatures over the last decade or so and nothing to do with Russians! Putin!

It's a last ditch effort by the Dems to salvage some saving of face. Losing against Trump, they should be bloody ashamed rather than bellicose. this is all aimed at trying to salvage what is left of a crumbling party facade.

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Losing against Trump, they should be bloody ashamed rather than bellicose.

because they equate shame with weakness.

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else.

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The need to believe anything but the truth. Their egos match that of a rock star yet none of the talent. Not that all rock stars are actually talented. If they were rock stars, they'd be Spinal Tap, which is not fair to Spinal Tap.

A two foot tall Stone Henge. That's their big tent.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

It's no coincidence that all the Bushies endorsed Hillary.

And when pesky facts get in the way, they just turn it up to 11.

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Perhaps the only thing the Clinton's can deliver for all that cash flow is something for the MIC - we have a tradition of falling for the kind of hype that makes us expend weapons and then purchase more. Preferably much more.

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In order to keep the money flowing into the Clinton Foundation, the Clintons need to deliver.

No Longer Selling Access, the Clinton Foundation Begs for Funds

The foundation has already started reaching out to donors to ask for money, the New York Post reports. Clinton Foundation chairman Bruce Lindsey announced in an email to supporters Wednesday that former President Bill Clinton would personally match donations up to $200,000 before the end of the year.

The solution?

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Alligator Ed's picture

Barack is not a lame duck. Lame ducks at least have some vitality. Barrack is duck shit, dead and thoughtlessly expended.

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Yes, he trashed the F-35, but so would anyone with any sense. Why spend billions on a plane which can't fight Islamic terrorism effectively when the money could be spent on the indigent being given "a job"?

You want to eat? Uncle Scam's club awaits! All the MREs you could want, and get to see exotic locales and meet interesting people! We'll send your pay home to your destitute wife and kids. You won't need money where you're going!

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

I know it's been said many times, many ways, but every time the president or an un-named source re-emphasizes this hollow accusation about Russia, we have to say it over and over: the problem is not who revealed the damaging information, the problem is the damaging information about the DNC's behavior.

The president and other purveyors of this Russia story are saying the emails were so damaging that they cost Hillary Clinton the election. Doesn't that mean the actions of DNC staff members, specified in their emails, cost her the election, that their behavior cost her the election?

It kind of suggests that the president is not only trying to make us look away from the emails because there's real obstruction of the Sanders campaign or other malfeasance evident in them, but also because he's trying to make us look away from the possibility that someone in the DNC or someone with other legal access to the emails gave them to Wikileaks, as Assange has said. In other words, there may be more importance, in a whistle-blowing sense, to the identity of the person who released them than just the DNC's working against Bernie Sanders. And so, when you think about it, Wikileaks having offered a reward for information about the death of a possible source here in the United States is very troubling. A possible murder of a whistleblower could be something worth distracting the American people about.

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Revealing the murderers would in turn point to the employers of the agents involved--another truth, like the veracity, rather than the source--of wikileaks-released emails. Finding the truth should never be regarded as a distraction. This is the only way to test reality.

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on all this blaming of Russia nonsense? If he jumps on that crazy bandwagon, all hope is lost.

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native

tells me a lot.

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There is absolutely zero proof that the Russians were behind the leaks of factual material. No one has disputed that the information in the DNC leaks or the Podesta leaks. Further, there has been no proof offered that the outcome of the general election was rigged by outside forces. If our voting system can be rigged by outside forces, perhaps we need to go back to publicly hand counting of paper ballots. If there was any election rigging done in 2016, perhaps the DNC and the Clinton campaign should be investigated first where there was evidence that several states official counts varied widely from exit polling. I was disappointed in Taibbi hedging in his op ed.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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designed to obfuscate. Unhappily many people are buying it, I think many of the HRC supporters certainly are. No idea about those of us less Party-affiliated. Still that stubborn 30% or so? It may become more clear in the next week how many bought this BS.

This has completely ruined for me any Obama legacy other than disappointment.

I will add that Pizzagate continues, many citizen-explorers on many sites online. And it's all true and worse. The Clinton connection may have been more about cash flow than sampling small wares. I don't give a damn. But this Squirrel could also be a fake move to define fake news. But we knew that.

It feels like the government is melting, like the Wicked Witch.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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but he's no phony. He's got plenty of coin, but still chooses to live in his native Michigan. He also has chosen to stand up and tell it like it is for decades. He warned and predicted a tRump victory. Fame/Fortune has only sharpened his edge, not dulled it!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Protesting, obstructing, disrupting, civil disobedience. I mean, the man has no right to enter that house. There are too many questions about whatever collusion was going on. I mean, they admitted that they were in touch with the Russians during the campaign. They have said that.

Since when did Red Baiting become Progressive?

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Big Al's picture

Didn't he advocate voting for Clinton also? Moore took the wrong train somewhere along the line.

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Michael Moore: How I Moved from Supporting Bernie Sanders to Hillary Clinton for President

Oh, the Clinton Foundation. Well, thank God there’s a Clinton Foundation. Look at all the good they’ve done. You know? I mean, and if what they say is true, and so they get to have a meeting with Hillary, and what’s their meeting—she’s still Hillary Clinton. It’s not like they get to go in there and say, "I need you to bomb—I need you to bomb Yemen." "OK, how much did you give the Clinton Foundation?" "I gave the Clinton Foundation $50 million." "Call in the airstrikes." That’s not what’s going on.

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"I gave the Clinton Foundation $50 million." "Call in the airstrikes." That’s not what’s going on.

Yet that's exactly what was going on with Libya. Hillary was bought and sold by donations to the Clinton Foundation that purchased her strong support (enough to overcome Obama's objections) for destroying stability in Libya.

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in Yemen. Arming Saudi Arabia, her Foundation donor, has resulted in war crimes against the people of Yemen. The weapons sold to Saudi Arabia, that she approved of as Secretary of State, are used in the slaughter of the people of Yemen and have resulted in the increase of power of Al Qaeda and ISIS in Yemen, both of which are Saudi clients.

She has said so herself:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-clinton-foundati...

Julian Assange: Isis and Clinton Foundation are both funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar
‘This is the most significant email in the whole collection’

Friday 4 November 2016

Wealthy officials from Qatar and Saudi Arabia who donated money to Hillary Clinton’s charitable foundation also provided financial support to Isis, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has claimed.

In an extended interview at the Ecuadorian embassy in London with documentary maker John Pilger for RT, Mr Assange said the same Saudi and Qatari officials could be seen to be supporting both the Clinton Foundation – founded by Mrs Clinton’s husband Bill – and funding the activities of Isis.

Mr Pilger asked if Mr Assange believed that “this notorious jihadist group, called Isil or Isis, is created largely with money from people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation”

“Yes,” Mr Assange replied.

The WikiLeaks founder pointed to an email exchange between presidential hopeful Ms Clinton and her campaign manager John Podesta, leaked by his organisation last month, which he believes “is the most significant email in the whole collection”.

In the email sent on August 17 2014, Ms Clinton asked Mr Podesta, who at that time worked under president Barack Obama, to help put “pressure” on Qatar and Saudi Arabia regarding the countries’ alleged support for the terrorist group Isis.

“We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to Isil and other radical Sunni groups in the region,” Ms Clinton wrote.

Mr Assange noted the US government had never acknowledged governments of Middle East nations had financially supported Isis, instead arguing such support was isolated to “some rogue princes using their cut of the oil money to do whatever they like, although the government disapproves”, according to the WikiLeaks founder.

According to the Clinton Foundation, the Saudi Arabian government has donated between $10m (£8m) and $25million since the foundation was set up in 1997...

‘This is the most significant email in the whole collection’

This is the smoking gun, or whatever they may call it. This is what the effort to distract our attention onto Putin is really about, distracting us from seeing our political leadership's partnership with the Saudi government, with Al Qaeda, with ISIS, with John McCain's little friends.

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& Democracy now.

She asks a lot of the right questions and lets eMineM answer. oh boy.

Mikey Moore fans out there?
Guys - Please drop your roster count by one. Pronto.

Dog made the world real, and it was good to look. - book of Dog

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certainly sounds like a fucking idiot. Maybe he is one.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

He just plays one on TV.

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orlbucfan's picture

project on Psycho-linguistics (1979) back before it was considered 'cool.' Propaganda only works when the rest of the herd is uneducated/ignorant. Moore is not red baiting. Look and read what he's saying. Get rid of the $hrillery BS in yer head.

P.S.: I always hated Kissinger and his mindset!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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Appeals to Authority, substanceless arguments (I believe the term is 'Glittering Generalities'?), negative attacks on the opponent's mindset, and concluded with a 'plainfolks' claim that you think like I do ...all in one short paragraph!

Well done Professor!

Propaganda only works when the rest of the herd is uneducated/ignorant.

So why you think your tricks will work on this site is frankly a bit bewildering.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Propaganda only works when the rest of the herd is uneducated/ignorant.

So why you think your tricks will work on this site is frankly a bit bewildering

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quelle hoot.

Dog made the world real, and it was good to look.

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An negative emotional reaction is what they want. Cuts down on rational thinking.

Humor and facts are far more effective responses.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Bob In Portland's picture

that despite all the hoohaw about Trump in national security circles Kissinger's appearance stage right is to reassure the ring of fascists around the world that we've put in place.

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mimi's picture

your eyes can't see what stinks, your nose can't smell what your eyes see. So, it's bs anyway.
Don't worry, our mouths will solve the puzzle by making too much noise.

McCain and Graham? Those old cranky men? Still opening their mouth? How do I love the deaf and blind, they have the strongest noses and smell what stinks with intense precision.

All this shit is a mindless war game on our minds. Just go to sleep, all. Nothing here to see or smell. Ah, good morning, btw.

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warmongering tunes from the same old pipers, if only Hillary was there to add the harmonies.

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lmao

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Good god(dess), that's pitch perfect Hillary. So to speak. Blum 3

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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Surprised now she didn't use that in the campaign. Aieee.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Bisbonian's picture

Shouldn't have gone there.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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I honestly cannot tell. I love the hair flips. Reminds me of Tina Belcher.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

dervish's picture

Cover your ears:

[video:https://youtu.be/GbCOavjktgk]

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

Put down the nukes please, step away from the nukes.

In a war of the recorder vs Mrs. miller, there are no winners.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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Recorders and Mrs. Miller--I will turn in my hearing aids if I have to listed to anymore of that.

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"Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,

I think, is that there is a clear desperation in the insistence of the story in both cases. And I think there's probably a connection between the two. In the case of the insistence that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, including supplying Al Qaeda with anthrax, the motive was more than just the agenda to invade Iraq and take over the oil fields of the Middle East. The other motive was to distract from our government's information that the Saudi princes had funded Al Qaeda and its hijackers right up to 9/11.

I think the identity of the person who gave the DNC emails to Wikileaks is significant and that it's damaging in a way we don't quite get. Yes, there is the effort to cause Putin to take over Crimea, by our arming a Nazi force in Ukraine, and yes, that keeps the nuclear weapons industry alive. So sure, finding a way to create a crisis with Putin is the current program. But there's something else going on, something desperate in the flimsiness and hollowness of pinning this DNC Wikileak on Putin. It has all the earmarks of distracting us with a shiny object so we won't see something else in the dark.

It could have to do with the murder of a Wikileaks source, but that in itself could have to do with a lot more than we know.

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Anonymous sources well-placed in the Intelligence Community have suggested that Ensign Chekhov was a Russian mole aboard the Enterprise.

And in another example of fiction reflects reality , the new season will see Elizabeth and Philip don their wigs and use their D. C. maps to help GHW Bush win the 1988 election. It turns out that the Kremlin was terrified by the images of Dukakis in that tank. They could see him driving that mighty Abrams right across the steppes all the way to Moscow.

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corrupted so many young American minds, hence a Trump victory was planned in the heart of great American literature decades before......

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