FYI, a brave diary posted on Daily Kos by SpudDK
I urge you to consider reading it, and supporting it if you are so inclined.
"It's Time To Move On"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/03/1606967/-Its-Time-To-Move-On
The place has been hopping the past few days, pushing back on the notion that Trump won because America is racist.
Some of us have been sharing our views, that the election wasn't about race, it was about class. The Democratic Party needs to own and address issues related to globalization, job loss, a living wage, universal health care, and fight for those JUST AS FIERCELY as they do for abortion, gay marriage, etc.
Here is a snippet from the diary:
First, no.
I’m going to be blunt: Democratic Party performance for labor and the middle class has been deplorable. Those of us all upset over the divide in the party need to realize that you created us.
Yes, that divide is a direct consequence of ongoing support for now failed “Third Way” and “New Democrat” neo-liberal economic policy.
Guys, it doesn’t work. I think we all need to admit that now.
Way too many Americans --a majority of Americans now, just can’t “move on.”
Why?
Failed economic policy. People aren’t getting what they need out of government, nor can they find jobs that make sense for their families.
This is a raw mess, and again, it’s time we admit that.
And before you all go and point fingers, I’ll be the first to admit to being complicit. I supported Clinton and Obama type Democrats with vigor! I totally thought incremental change would get there for everyone, and I fought against the naysayers over and over.
...until they were proved right!
It’s time to own that. This isn’t about who is evil, or stupid either. We meant well. I believe that. But about half of us today are wrong.
Thank you in advance!
Comments
Good for
her/him. But I'll never click there again if I can help it. I'll not be part of putting money in the weasel's pocket. Anyway, I'm so skeptical, when I see things like this, I think someone is gaslighting to try and get real progressives to come visit the latest conservative blog known as dailykos....
I respect that chioce. I can 100% vouch for this author, please
have no worries about that.
The thing about Daily Kos - It's one thing to preach to the choir, and another thing to preach elsewhere. Some of us are willing to go there to participate in a struggle about the future of the Democratic Party. That's why I go, anyway.
~OaWN
And I respect
your choice also O&WN. Knowing what kind of "democrats" inhabit the place, I'll bet the author's "we need to own this" went over like a turd in a punchbowl? I just don't see people like that admitting they were wrong...
Awwwe, thank you fugwb! That is so sweet of you.
Actually, it went over pretty well. I was rather holding my breath, waiting for turds, but they really never came.
Kind of nice. Spud is so great though, he "keeps it real"
~OaWN
CTR funding must be about tapped out.
I honestly doubted that a good chunk of the "people" over on GOS were real.
I am with you on that one
~OaWN
Same here. Like the
Democratic party Daily Kos is worth saving. Otherwise we're left with C99. Not that there's anything wrong with this place. It rocks. It's just that Kos is bigger, has more Diaries, therefore more to learn. Daily Kos will recover. Eventually. And, even if it doesn't it's big enough for everyone.
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I agree with not going there
I've been checking a few times since the election, and just too many people there are stuck in denial about what's wrong with both the Democrats and the system in general. I feel like I know enough of those people in real life already!
http://caucus99percent.com
http://caucus99percent.com/content/time-move
You can find me contributing and moderating regularly at wayofthebern.com
http://caucus99percent.com
http://caucus99percent.com/content/time-move
No worries. I hope that's the link to view.
You can find me contributing and moderating regularly at wayofthebern.com
That Trump won the Electoral College
is a result of Clinton being an absolutely crap candidate across the entire country, despite all those millions of Californian votes. That's the American system, for good or ill.
I know that SpudDK does good work over on Way of the Bern, but I can't face going over to Dead State.......and the dead enders.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
You can read the essay here.
http://caucus99percent.com/content/time-move
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
I agree. They tried to force her on the country,
and the country said NO!
~OaWN
Indeed they did. I consider
Indeed they did. I consider that selfish and irresponsible given the potential consequences and given they KNEW plenty. Enough to make this call correctly, and didn't.
You can find me contributing and moderating regularly at wayofthebern.com
Would SpudDK be willing --
to post the diary here?
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
Yes, SpudDk will be posting it here
in about an hour or so. I just communicated your request and was asked to tell you it'll happen in about an hour.
Don't believe everything you think.
Thank you!
This is the place!
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
OT: I just wanted to tell you how much I love your sig.
It is truly meme-worthy.
That place is filled with old rich white folks and a few
who aren't so rich or white fishing for social status and complements and playing off guilt in a demented social mind game of sorts. It's got worse since she lost the election.
They don't seem to understand that the Democratic Party is dangerously close to being a regional party plus a rump. They don't understand because in their world "economic struggle" just isn't a real thing. This is in aggregate, of course, as there are individuals who do understand poverty, deeply. For the most part though those folks are so wrapped up in their own upper-crust-of-the-first-world problems that they just don't get it.
I can't tell what's worse: the smug condescension Hillary supporters still display, the awe and reverence given to folks like Chris Reeves (not surprised he's on the DNC now, given how much his oversimplified, naive and childlike description of how the party works fits right into their narrative), or the stubborn stupidity that betrays a complete lack of understanding of how our government functions and elects its officers. It's the ignorant and grifters leading the ignorant over there, all the while thinking they have the inside track and the most complete understanding.
It's not salvageable, in my opinion.
And they will defend Hillary to the bitter end.
They're like zombies. It doesn't matter what Hillary does or doesn't do, they can simply see no wrong.
What I'm wondering is
How long will they continue with all of that pedestal propping?
I'm still hoping that the congress will bring her up on charges, which she so richly deserves.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
I'm no longer a Democrat (Thanks Killary & Dronebama)
Sorry, won't go over there.
I no longer have a use for the Demo (as in Demolition) party. They/it can kiss my glow-in-the-dark white ass!
They drove me out.
I am terribly sorry about Trump, but I didn't try to sell the American public moldy stale bread at $100,000 a plate.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Nah, they didn't drive you out
They locked us in a kennel like dogs and drove away from our crumbling poverty house for the shiny towers in the big cities.
Hey!
I got one of those!
peace
edit to add; glow in the dark, Luminous white ass!
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
Lol, luminous white ass!
We should start a club.
Guilty.
I did it. I went there.
I was requested by someone who posts at both sites. Someone I have no reason to doubt.
I look forward to seeing if members of this site will welcome it if posted here.
They're looking for ideas. That's a good thing.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
http://caucus99percent.com
http://caucus99percent.com/content/time-move
We are gonna find out!
You can find me contributing and moderating regularly at wayofthebern.com
So far, reasoned discussion ensues
People agreeing and disagreeing making their points with reason and logic. There may be no consensus, but at least there's civility.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Both-- both racism and classism is what got Trump
elected. When I think about it, it begs the question. Is racism not a form of classism? Our very own caste system?
GOS kinda cracks me up. I pop in once in awhile just to see if the the nuttiness has subsided. It hasn't and I doubt it will. The damage is done. Same ol' same ol'. I wonder when Kos will get busted using bots to drive up his advertising numbers? That's the only way I can see to explain the declaration of unique visitors vs. the high bounce rate and short, two and a half minute view time reported by Alexa.
Oh well. You cant' fix stupid.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Thank you, sojourns. U R right. Racisim IS a form of classism
It IS our very own caste system. I think that recognition is both brilliant and powerful.
~OaWN
Thanks...
Sometimes I think we have a tendency to compartmentalize things too much (I mean western peoples when I say we) resulting in unwittingly complicating matters.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Classism was the root cause
At least in the US. It's not like a bunch of British aristocrats hated black Africans so much they dragged them over to this continent and later accidentally discovered they could make money off their animus. It's not well known, but there were also Irish chattel slaves at the start of colonization. In both cases, the excuse for exploitation was racism, but the the motivation was purely economic.
This is not to say that modern day America doesn't have some brutal systemic injustice derived from the economic roots, but the only way to stop this stuff happening in perpetuity is to finally remove the possibility of such exploitation of anyone by anyone ever again. And that is why we have to deal with the chronic problem of economic inequality.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
"Limerick has been cleared of Irish and other vermin."
Old dispatch back to England stuck in my mind.
I won't go there and log in.
I glimpse at the fp and rec list out of curiosity maybe once a week.
I give it 2 minutes glimpse at most.
I will not engage on a blog that requires my engagement to be an act of bravery.
Since I demexited, I would be stupid to go there. It is a dem site. (so it is said.)
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I don't know what to say. I agree with you.
And it makes me want to cry.
~OaWN
Went over and rec'd every comment that made sense. We do
need to engage, even if it's hard or distasteful. We have here someone willing to state the problems and solutions in a possible hostile environment. It went better than expected. Maybe some are starting to wonder what really happened.
Thanks to all from here will to go to GOS and give the OP some help.
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Maybe all the shills left?
Is Armando still there?
I'm shocked that it didn't turn into an online lynching, as was the norm for so long.
The reason I won't go there is because Little Napoleon will get click money, and if I boycott other places because of their owners, or support for things I don't approve of, then I certainly have to do the same with regards to The Orange Skid Mark.
Hopefully, the diary is a drink of water to replace the Koolaid. It's posted here, and though I disagree with saving the Demolition Party, I upvoted it here.
I applaud all efforts to
reform the democratic party, although I have no stake in that endeavor at all, and have no faith it can be accomplished.
That site's rules require party identification.
I am not a democrat.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Excellent diary, and good on SpudDK for taking the time
to write it up.
FYI, I posted a comment on there in response to one posters "globalization is inevitable so just lay back and enjoy it" style posts (one of two posters defending the "trade" deals -- yes, still clueless ones exist there, and they must and should be the recipients of some decent pushback), in case anyone cares. Looking at the FP on Standing Rock and a number of other diaries I saw, maybe that place isn't quite as hopeless as it's been over these last many (interminable) months.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Oh, you ran into my new favorite person, poor you!
That person actually had the gall to tell us that the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts was a reasonable thing to do, considering the bad economy and all. OMG! THAT pushed my buttons just a wee bit, and so I left a comment back to her of my own. It begins thusly:
I liked your comment, but seriously, I think that gal belongs on RedState so I think you are casting your pearls, if you know what I mean
~OaWN