Is this the infancy of Trump Single-Payer.

The middle man is the insurance companies. They would be eliminated according to Ben Carson. That is radical.

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Unabashed Liberal's picture

because Folks will fund their own medical costs by saving their money in a HSA--or, Health Savings Account.

IOW, Repubs are not necessarily talking providing any insurance plan or program--unless, it is a catastrophic plan that Folks can buy into, in order to cover their medical costs once they've exhausted their HSA.

(We watched all the Repub Debates, so we got to hear Carson elaborate on his plan.)

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I see it naturally evolving to a Single-Payer. Trump won't leave people out in the cold. He's already said that at the debates. It will evolve.

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maybe you're right. I certainly hope so.

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

retirement savings vehicle after they have already funded their IRAs, annuities and other tax-free vehicles. IOW this is a tax-avoidance scheme for the rich as its primary goal.

Regular people will run out of money quickly and die. It's not insurance.

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They don't even have a job. They live in the rust belt.

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No more of those high deductibles!

Because no more insurance.

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I know Ben Carson and Trump have had discussions, in the most general sense, since the Primaries. This provides no information.

However, from his earliest rally speeches, Trump has described his position toward national health care in a businesslike way. The cost formula he looks at is not based on the individual. It is based on the big picture:

• How much does the US pay from all pockets to keep all Americans healthy?

• How do the outcomes for the entire population stack up against those of other developed nations?

Trump knows that "all pockets" get their money from the pockets of the American people. He does not pretend that the money spent on health care in America comes from anyplace else. He does not obscure that fact when speaking publicly.

Trump is a businessman. He does not have an ideology, which is why the Republican Establishment rejects him.

So, Trump the Businessman looks at the data and he sees answers in the language of simple business realities:

The American people (as a whole) pay many times more than the people of similar nations pay (as a whole) for the very same treatments.

The American people (as a whole) have shorter lives and die more often from their diseases than the people (as a whole) from similar nations who pay significantly less for the same treatment.

He tells his supporters, "The American people are getting a rotten deal on health care." He says, "The middle men who do nothing are blowing up the costs that all Americans pay for health care — in order to grab profits for themselves. We need to get rid of the middlemen."

Any one of any ideology can spin this a dozen different ways to brainwash Americans: Let me get you started:

It's communism. It's an attack on Obamacare. It's a fascist view of health care. Here come's euthanasia. Trump wants to send sick people to foreign countries for health care. Trump want's to stop medical research in America. Get rid of the sick to bump the ROI for investors. Trump want's to import a foreign medical system. Trump wants to deport all sick people. Trump: "Pay up or die."

It's a jolly sport to bamboozle Americans with propaganda. And it is legal to do so in the media when discussing the most vital life or death issues. Would you fall for any of the headlines, above?

Then why not look at the facts and follow the logic?

Trump ran on one vision: He wants to make the best deals for Americans. Trump knows Americans are screwed by insurers and pharma profiteers. Trump knows that system is rigged because it is illegal for Americans (and only Americans) to negotiate for better prices from international corporations. Trump does not support death by medical neglect, which is the current US soft policy. Trump knows by looking at countries with better health care for all, that the only way to get a good deal for the American people is through National Health Care. He doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. He just has to take the deal.

I see no evidence for any other reality.

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Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications

These are identical to Republican gimme wish lists going back decades. Selling insurance across state lines eliminates regulation.

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Trump starts by reflecting his audience's feelings (now that's the GOP in Congress), and once they're together, he pulls them to a more moderate position.

None of his voters are objecting to his move from deport-them-all to extreme vetting, for instance. And apparently the background checks were pretty pitiful on the couple who shot up his coworkers in California - they'd made threats online.

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divineorder's picture

.... Medicare' ?

Hey Pluto, how's it going?

FWIW my go to source on Single Payer is the Physicians for a National Health Plan website.

There I found a link to this 'Article of Interest' from this month in Harpers. http://www.pnhp.org/news/2016/october/%E2%80%9Cdon%E2%80%99t-touch-my-me...

Includes some history Medicare attacks by conservatives with Democrat support, what is driving costs and different ongoing attempts to change. 8 pages.

Good stuff, highly rec reading it.

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It took a Democrat (B. Clinton) to pass a Republican agenda. What if it takes a Republican to pass a progressive agenda? Wouldn't it be funny if I woke up right about now and realized that a business person is not going to put a lot of businesses (insurance companies) out of business?

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ovals49's picture

Do you think Trump's plan is to rapidly put all but the most financially secure in immediate jeopardy of financial ruin or doing without health care altogether, turning up the heat and letting the outrage build to a fever pitch and then to propose a National Single Payer health care system as the only sensible remedy?

That's about the only way I can take Dr. Ben's tepid and wandering word salad and turn it into the beginning of a path to Single Payer. Yeah, it could be the beginning of "something" in the same way Donald Trump might be the second coming.

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