Jimmy Dore: "People won't vote third party because they are brainwashed"
Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Fri, 10/21/2016 - 9:16am
Jimmy does a really good job of shattering the logic of "Lesser Evil" voters. If you have friends who feel it's there moral duty to vote for one of the Corporatist Duopoly candidates just to save us from that greater evil monster, send them a link to this video. I just sent it to my brother who tried to tell me that a vote for Jill Stein is also a vote for Trump. Hogwash. #JillNotHill
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Jimmy Dore...
has some of the best commentary around.
I also liked this clip on Yemen and perpetual war from Jimmy (9.5 min)
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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Yes that is a really good one on Yemen
I check his youtube channel every day for new Uploads. He's one of the few who have not sold out to the Tyrants and he hits the nail on the head 99% of the time.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
I never thought anything like this would ever happen to me, but.
Got hit by the "A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump." thing last night (from a self-proclaimed 'Socialist').
So I drew a small chart:
Clinton 0
Stein 1 (me)
Trump 0
Notice that my vote for Stein does not equal a vote for Trump (or Clinton).
But, but "Clinton's values are closer to yours, so you're depriving the Dem of your vote!"
Since when have I been a Democrat? My vote is not automatically Clinton's. Her values are closer to mine? Really?
Stein can't win........... blah, blah, blah.......
Well, she can't win if people don't vote for her, but if you like her message then vote for her. This 'she can't win' is just so much self-fulfilling BS.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
this whole 'depriving' thing pisses me off
Since when is a party entitled to a vote? You chose who to vote FOR, period. So many people can only think from a duopoly perspective as if this system were set in stone. It can be changed, if the people want it.
“The first duty of a man is to think for himself”
The Current Ruling Party In Greece was polling at 4%
just a few years ago. Now it is in power because people finally got pissed enough to help themselves and vote out the idiots. Of course Greece had to go bankrupt before people figured it out but...
That's another of Jimmy's logic arguments from another video -- which kind of proves his point.
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This should be a top comment!
That why we need to keep moving forward. This is our "Field of Dreams."
If we build it, they will come.
Yaldabaoth, Saklas I'm calling you. Samael. You're not alone. I said, you're not alone, in your darkness. You're not alone, baby. You're not alone. "Original Sinsuality" Tori Amos
If anyone ever told me that
If anyone ever told me that Clinton's values were 'closer to mine', I'd sue for defamation of character...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
If anyone was dumb enough
to say something like that to my face, they'd deserve the laughter, derision and scorn that I would proceed to heap on them. Within earshot of as many people as possible.
Throwing away your vote!
Never heard that before ‽ Right ‽
It is (way past) time to act. But I have been saying this for some time now. Sure, I voted for George McGovern, but then I liked George McGovern, I thought of him as the 1972 version of the 2016 Bernie Sanders, but I was young and foolish, right ‽ Now I am not so young and I am losing my patients.
I suppose I am still an idealist: If those of the ¬( 1%) were to vote for Stein then we could finally make a real difference. Where are the large rallies nationwide proclaiming this very obvious fact ‽
I suppose, many Hells would have to freeze over for that to happen, right ‽
Jimmy Dore laying it out there
It doesn't get any simpler than what he says in the video's. I'm not sure why most people just don't seem to get it, It's very f'n frustrating.
Apparently, most people are cowards,
that they don't get something so damned obvious. They don't WANT TO get it.
Thing is, people also don't want to hear that they're brainwashed, so they won't listen to this, even if it's a thousand percent true. And it is, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what else to call it, though--I absolutely and completely agree with Dore on this, but there has to be another way to convey it. I'm only saying this because every single time I try to convey this same sentiment, using the word "brainwashed", I get a shit-ton of grief from people I care about who are--indeed--brainwashed as hell. That wash runs deep, too. It is beyond frustrating!
I agree, the brainwashed won't watch the video
'Subtlety' is not one of Jimmy's virtues. I don't know how you get to these people.
Of course I was one of them until about March 2009. All it took me was one month of Obama's presidency to figure it out. Hahahha.
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the only thing they can offer is fear
how right he is!
“The first duty of a man is to think for himself”
Let's call it what it is...
The 'Stockholm Syndrome' that is the 'two party system' of American politics.
I want a Pony!
The constant drumbeat
of propaganda is very effective. We've been inundated with a wall of propaganda, psy-ops, photo ops, body doubles, Oprah, Republicans, truth suppression, surrogates, celebrities, former and current politicians of every stripe, unions, the MSM, Obama, staged debates, smears, oh I could go on forever. And let's not forget the fear tactics (Trump=Hitler, Satan, Rapist, Putin Lover) which target voter lizard brains. For the last month I've been attacked by acquaintances every time I say "I'm voting for Jill Stein" when they declare "I'm with Her". When I say "I'll vote Trump if the contest is close", they go berserk. Last night, someone at my table stated "I like Bill Clinton; he gave us a strong economy." Wouldn't you know, the company she worked at for decades - Carrier, just shuttered its factory and moved to Mexico, despite having a banner year and outrageous compensation going to its CEO. No connecting the dots, whatsoever.
RE: victims vs accomplices
The people become victims at the point when their voting rights are suppressed or fraudulently altered. And we're already there.
That said, of course those who willingly go along with this shit are, in my view BOTH victims and accomplices. They are victims of a mind-fuck, known in more polite circles as a psy-op; and they are accomplices because no matter what the reason, they have consented to go along with this nightmare.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's not consent these people are conveying
well, I mean, with their "vote", yes, that's consent, too--but what I am trying to say is that it's not (all) about them being "okay" with it. For so many of them, I'm pretty much convinced lately that it's about that American Exceptionalist PRIDE that's been crammed down their throats all these years. A pride that is far too....well, prideful....to admit it has fallen for forty years of goddamned egregious lies.
People, we need to get over ourselves after we turn off the propaganda--and we are going to have to do that pretty damned soon, if we are to survive this onslaught. It's okay to have been wrong. It's okay. As long as you wise up, it is okay.
We need a new party..
Both of our major third parties, the Greens, and the Libertarians are sectarian parties, and neither of their candidates take the office of president seriously.
The Greens pussy foot around important issues because they don't want to upset the herb and anti-vax loons, and the Libertarians are so hyper concerned with economic issues that the entirety of the rest of their intellectual ideology is tossed aside.
Neither has researched how'd they would implement their policy(in a legal and constitutional fashion) in the event they won, Granted the Greens are better on this then the libertarians, They however still have several blanks in their platform policy goals that read like the underpants gnomes business plan.
When these things are pointed out, neither makes any efforts to correct their stated means for doing what they want.
For example, Jill wants to forgive student debt, she plans to direct the US Treasury to quantitatively ease it away, which for one, the president doesn't have that power, Granted a chunk of the debt is held by the federal government, all of the subsidized loans anyway, granted their is held by a corporation controled by the Federal government on behalf of the federal government(i don't think they are traded by i could be wrong on that, and that would complicate things further). All of the debt that isn't subsidized and held by private third parties is out of her reach without legislation.
Neither care about foreign policy, Jill would tear up NAFTA, TPP,TPIP, and friends at the very least, and pull out of the middle east shit show, but outside that is either giant question marks, or to much all at once.
I think John Oliver's bit went to far, but I certainly can see how he came to that, (I mean other then the fact that his network is in the bag for her majesty).
QE is only one approach they are considering
The campaign's full response to Oliver is here.
Moreover, John Oliver did a lot of collateral damage per an email I got yesterday:
I agree with your comments about some of the fringe constituents. Dropping them would be healthy, and if they won't then another party it is. But be aware that you can get smacked badly by pseudo-journalists like Oliver if you get too threatening.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
That John Oliver bit really pissed me off. He is clueless.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
Another Fed data point
Apparently there are two, maybe three, Fed Governor positions that will open up in the next term (I heard this on NPR, but I can't find the story now). These appointments gives the President a certain amount of leverage over the Fed, which is an important part of the dance the Fed goes through to maintain its "independence".
Ironically, this "independence" can also be described as "undemocratic". In other words, the Fed regularly does exactly what Oliver claims the system is set up to prevent i.e. allowing a small cabal to control the money supply. For more on the Fed's political landscape, see William Greider's Secrets of the Temple.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
He's not clueless at all
he's just doing what he's told to do.
Fucking coward.
I don't point out John Oliver
I don't point out John Oliver purely for his own piece, which while the bit was a terrible intellectually dishonest train wreck. Does show a general perception about the Greens, He was only able to get away with that bit, because from the outside perspective it makes sense, The Greens messaging for years has been a train wreck, its not something they can shake so easily.
Any pre-existing party will have a pile of baggage that is hard to get ride of, and any new party will with time develop its own baggage.
To complete with the Democrats and Republicans, a new party would have to be more serious then them. The candidate for president for example, would need to have staff that monitor the situation for each part of the country and give daily briefings, policy proposals have to have been well vented with means that are clearly legal and constitutional in addition to being practical. They need to push races other then the presidency in a visible manner, the presidential Candidate needs to be seen with house/senate candidates daily, getting other peoples names out their is EXTREMELY important. A third party will get very little mainstream media attention, so the party needs to develop alternative means for getting the word out(I suggest examining Bernies primary campaign), a youtube channel with atleast moderate production quality that posts content on a consistent schedule for example, Hell buy time on TV typically used by those infomercials to sell chop-its and knives. As often as possible have in each State a committee that looks for candidates for all levels and races, A party organization with professional staff to help the party maintain gains from year to year, by maintaining voter databases, and more importantly develop institutional knowledge so that new candidates are not starting from scratch. and more, and more,
The Greens are to sectarian to develop all that is required above, we need a leftist party with a wide coalition of ideals.
You lose me in your first sentence
because if it's true--and it is, that WAS intellectually dishonest--then nothing else is defensible there. Particularly this:
He sure does--the perception that the Dems and the GOP are scared fucking shitless of Americans no longer falling for their propaganda, so much so that they employ toadies with accents to spew their lies and somehow help make them more palatable.
Ok, You Have 18 Days To Create Your New Party
GO!!! Hurry!!! Let me know when it is ready.
I'm voting Jill Stein but thanks anyway. Greens are 10 orders of magnitudes better than the Ds and Rs. So fuck them. Oliver is a Hellery Shill now. Why bring him up?
PS. Quit with the "Jill's an anti-vaxxer" bullshit. That's been proved wrong a million times over.
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Seriously
Seriously, thank you. What is the point now of claiming the Other Parties aren't good enough, when the claimant is "against Her" and maybe even also against that loon on the R side? Why would anyone discourage rejection of those two clear and present dangers to this country?
I never said she is an anti
I never said she is an anti-vaxer, However because she hasn't come out strong on this nonsense the rest of the world will read whatever the hell they want to hear, or more likely what the media tells them.
And Hillary thanks you for perpetuating it
by giving it the time of day in not one, but two posts now:
That looks good on paper, and it might even sound good. But in the end, it's meaningless unless you elaborate with some fact, as opposed to the endless casting of aspersion. That's an important distinction which seems lost on you.
A twitter post is not the
A twitter post is not the platform for putting this accusation down, She needs a strong statement from her own damned lips in video form, preferrable on live tv, but a youtube video would be better then nothing.
No voice, that I know of, but there is this:
http://www.jill2016.com/jill_stein_answers_science_questions
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Apparently, that doesn't count
it's just words on the page. Nevermind that it's the woman's actual campaign website....
This is not a twitter post
She HAS a strong statement from her own damned lips in video form, as has been pointed out repeatedly.
Gotta love this bullshit condition, though:
--if you prefer it on live TV, however, you're once again perpetuating a myth. That myth is that only on "live TV" can you hear a "credible" position of some sort, a statement worth a damn from any pol. And that is absolutely not a reality in today's "campaigns" on ANY TV. In fact--and this is my own opinion--it rather smacks of dishonesty.
Their needs to be dated video
Their needs to be dated video somewhere of her refuting it, I plainly said youtube as an alternative, little pieces of text buried in a website somewhere ARE NOT A STATEMENT.
asdf
It was you who used the words "on live TV". So don't get mad at others for calling you on it.
Speaking of which:
Uh-huh. If they don't show up on CNN or on Rachel Maddow, they're not official. Or something....
I said and I quote,
I said and I quote,
" preferrable on live tv, but a youtube video would be better then nothing."
Why are you repeating yourself?
Whether or not you gave your permission for "youtube" to be okay is not the point being made here. The point has to do with the notion of "smear by association". Do you understand what that means?
luminous acts like a 'Correcting The Record' troll
I wouldn't waste your time with him. Plus they get paid by the comment, so why feed the trolls.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
sigh
their concern is so touching, isn't it?
(*edited to add*) if I had unlimited US TV and Radio time, I could sell a pile of shit mignon, too. I tire of having my intelligence insulted by this lot...
Your half reading my posts,
Your half reading my posts, Until the Green party learns to message better hit pieces like the one john oliver did will be both easy todo, believable, and common.
His hit piece is a symptom of a problem, and not the problem itself. The current Green party position of confronting issues like this after the fact is why they lose. The lack of messaging up to the point of that hit piece is what created it, If Mr. Oliver hadn't done it someone else would have, their will ALWAYS be that someone who takes advantage of the voids and gaps that are left unfilled.
The current solution of bitching about it after the fact doesn't repair the damage or solve the problem in future.
No, really, I'm not
I'm dissecting your posts.
Do you really not get the difference yet?
Look if you can't handle a
Look if you can't handle a bit of criticism held against your party and choose to ignore half the content of a post to argue points taken out of context that is fine, But don't expect anyone to be more apt to take you or your party seriously.
In US politics, their is no difference except for the one the party or person defines themselves, in the absence of clear definition people will make shit up. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE TRUE.
What John Oliver did was equal to the Obama care death panels the ruubs invented, without clear and loud messaging anyone can and will make shit up, and politically it will all be true, regardless of what is real.
The Greens have no media presents, nor will they be given the opportunity for one, so they have to make their own, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT.
Sorry dissection
of obvious hackery bothers you so. You cast aspersion on the Greens for not being like Dems or GOP with "messaging" when you know goddamned well why they can't get that message out. You know better about "context", too--I know you do, because you manage to say shit like this in the same damn post:
Look, this is not about anyone being upset by criticism, because the criticism is mindless. This "criticism" of yours consists of little more than empty smears by association, where you assert authority by setting the parameters of what is "acceptable" as a "media present"--which what I think you mean to say is "presence"--for the Green Party to get their message out. And of course, your preference would be youtube. AYFKM? You appear to be complaining about their alleged inability to do "messaging" because....because why? Because words on a page aren't enough? Because it's not deemed suitable for the compromised American information machine of television and radio? Who do you think you're kidding with this shit?
Thanks for Correcting The Record.
Buh bye.
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All the criticism of Jill is small change
compared to the warmonger and the warmongress.
If elected, I'm sure she'll figure it out. She's actually intelligent.
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Jimmy D had me LOLing this time
From the get go: "I like to keep them honest here, like they say at CNN."
Mwaahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! Comedy gold.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
H.L. Mencken got it
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."--Mencken
Was it Bush or is it still to come? Personally, I think either of this election's main choices fit the bill. On the other hand if the moron was Bush, then what have we proceeded to? The criminally insane?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
First became aware of that quote during Chimpy's first term.
It fit him to a 'T' as the saying goes.
BUT I don't think that Obama is a 'moron'. Nor do I believe Hellery is 'moron''. That suggests they are totally devoid of intellect. They've done damn well for themselves to the detriment of millions of others. I think both are sociopaths and intellectually what they are can best be described as 'cunning':
URBAN DICTIONARY DEFINITION
cunning
A word to describe someone or sometimes something thats tricky, devious, sly or shady
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cunning
END OF URBAN DICTIONARY DEFINITION
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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Moral moron?
I was thinking more along these lines rather than the old psychology definition which is now considered offensive:
moron. (n.d.) American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. (2011). Retrieved October 22 2016 from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moron
Similarly:
Informal. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment:
I wonder why they elected that narrow-minded moron to Congress.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moron [Emphasis added]
Cunning also works. However, it misses the gist of the quote as we pretty much accept and expect politicians to be cunning. The current load of them goes way beyond mere cunning.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Moral moron is excellent.
EDIT: You could even say moral/ethical moron.
The old term implies ignorance. And I think it's still valid. I know some ignorant people. But I know some intelligent people who are moral/ethical morons and they are much worse than the dumb shits. At least they have an excuse.
EDIT EDIT: Decided to spell think with a 'k' instead of a 'g'.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Voting Green isn't a waste they need 5%
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/10/200pm-water-cooler-10212016.html
UPDATE Since Hillary Clinton has a double digit lead in the polls, she doesn’t need the votes of so-called left and progressive activists. But those activists have their own needs. They need to build their own political home, their own political party” [Black Agenda Report]. “If Stein and Baraka get five percent of the vote in November, ballot access for Greens will be a done deal in most states, and the possibility of additional federal campaign funds in presidential years opens as well. So the only ways for left and progressive activists to waste their votes is to stay home, or to give them to Hillary. The only place where your vote matters this year is with the Green Party.
#Jillneverhill
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Yup, and if everyone voted
Yup, and if everyone voted for Jill who personally preferred the notion of democracy and the survival of life on the planet (as would be possible with President Jill) to the appallingly high risk of either the immediate likelihood of the speedy and greedily gratuitous nuclear planetary obliteration of oxygen-breathing/cycling life by a would-be totalitarian and casually murderous global corporate/military regime or of that global corporate/military regime maximizing profits under corporate off-shored law for The Right People and incidentally destroying life/oxygen production on the planet within a few decades, she'd certainly win on votes.
Also please consider this; it'll be easier for TPTB to plausibly cheat Hillary in if there's no massive landslide for Jill because people are too busy voting for one or another TPP-supporting Evil, supporting that, for example, banksters/Wall St. biggies will be laughing all the way to their entirely unregulated banks/financial markets to accumulate by hook for crooks all of the data-dots symbolizing wealth from the rest of the world with there being no recourse for the freely industrially-polluted/poisoned and utterly-controlled-by-offshored-corporate-'law' people of the world. We know they'll try to rig the General, as the Dems did their nomination - why help TPTB by voting for one of the 3 corporate-coup-serving Presidential candidates in order to get them to destroy any chance of pacifically fighting for your own lives and those of your friends, children and other family?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Yes that's it
and the millennials do indeed need tog get out and Green, a stay at home vote does nothing for everyone concerned.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
So in response to this I tweeted Jimmy Dore and
here's the screenshot of my latest notifications:
Yeah, baby! Jimmy Dore's a fan!
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A hat tip from Jimmy
that's pretty dam kool.
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Thanks! Of course it might just be someone on his staff...
but it's nice to be noticed anyway.
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Anyone tweeted a C99 link directly to Jimmy Dore or Lee Camp?
Sometimes compatriots like these have no idea places like here exist. Simply tweeting a story directly to them will get a response. I haven't been all that active on Twitter lately, really just go in spurts, but it is a great way to get in touch with allies who could help spread the word.
For example, a couple of years ago a coupe of years ago I wrote up a piece about the media's coverup of the amazing story of a young man who went to DC to commit suicide and according to witnesses had a "Tax the 1%" sign with him. Called it "Tax the 1%": Political Statements by Suicide in DC Shall Not Go Down the Memory Hole." It kind of went viral, picked up by some progressive sites and generated a lot of comments and discussion.
I tweeted the link directly to Thom Hartmann. The next night while watching him I had a surreal moment of fulfillment when he not only mentioned by TOP moniker on the air, but he read some from the piece.
My point is that these guys are news hounds and are always looking for stuff.
Anybody who's active on Twitter should keep this in mind.
When there's a really good timely piece we should tweet directly at these guys.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I haven't tried that, but it's a great idea.
I've not been on Twitter very long. I have been on Facebook longer, and often post c99 (and TOP!) stuff there. I will be adding more tweeting to my repertoire.
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