October Surprise? Obama Meets with Nat'l Sec. Advisors re: Syria

What better way to provide an assist to a much unloved and mistrusted candidate than to ramp up the war drumming right before an election? I thought Hillary would have the Donald down for the count by now, but I guess she still needs a little help from our soon to be former POTUS. So guess who's coming to dinner and some war planning?

U.S. President Barack Obama and his top foreign policy advisers are expected to meet on Friday to consider their military and other options in Syria as Syrian and Russian aircraft continue to pummel Aleppo and other targets, U.S. officials said. [...]

One set of options includes direct U.S. military action such as air strikes on Syrian military bases, munitions depots or radar and anti-aircraft bases, said one official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

This official said one danger of such action is that Russian and Syrian forces are often co-mingled, raising the possibility of a direct confrontation with Russia that Obama has been at pains to avoid. [...]

One alternative, U.S. officials said, is allowing allies to provide U.S.-vetted rebels with more sophisticated weapons, although not shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, which Washington fears could be used against Western airliners.

Not sure Russian leaders would see much difference between US warplanes shooting down Russian warplanes, or US supplied "moderate rebels" (yes, I know that's an oxymoron) shooting down Russian planes with sophisticated surface to air missiles provided by the good old USA. I sure don't see much difference between the two. If I were a Russian official I would consider such actions tantamount to a declaration of war.

Unfortunately, I am getting the sinking feeling that whatever choice Obama makes with respect to military action in Syria will be in the best interests of one Hillary Rodham Clinton's election chances and not that of our nation's national security. Then again, I've struggled to find any justification for our intervention in Syria that was based strictly in terms of our national security. I can see how our military intervention/war there may be a benefit for Israel's and the Saudi's security interests, not to mention the interests of numerous American companies with an economic stake in the Middle East. But the American people or the world as a whole? Not so much.

Indeed, I fail to see how our actions regarding Syria are not a direct violation of the UN Charter and the Geneva Conventions, which expressly prohibit wars of aggression. Then again, no one seems to give much of a damn in the US high command, the Obama administration or our hyper-nationalistic, flag-waving traditional mainstream media about war crimes our military has committed at the behest of both Republican and Democratic Commanders-in-Chief. It's all about how high we can make the rubble fly, and standing up to that notorious thug, and all around super-villain Vladimer Putin. And the terrorists, of course.

Who would have guessed when this election campaign began in 2014 that the Republican nominee would be viewed by many as less likely to start WWIII, much less that his name would be Donald Trump? In any event, my fellow Americans, stay tuned, as I expect the drum beats for further US military responses that intensify the risk of an actual hot war breaking out between US and Russian forces over the skies of Syria to increase exponentially in the next few weeks, or possibly even the next few days.

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He turned a blind eye to HRC server and now is in way over his head. What a jack ass.

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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho

sojourns's picture

Guerrilla warfare using tactical nukes?

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They're only "tactical", not "strategic" nukes.

It's like grabbing a poisoned pawn to gain a momentary advantage only to lose a rook later through a clever combination.

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Don't tell me I may actually have to vote for Trump.

(Sadly, not snark).

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I have little faith that even the Rump could stop it. Stupid bastards.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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in for a ruble ... as the saying goes.

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There are conflicting reports of the British arming their fighters with air to air missles and the green light to engage Russian aircraft over Syria. Not to be outdone Hollande gets in a kerfuffle with Putin resulting in the cancellation of his planned visit to Paris.

Meanwhile the Russians are test firing ballistic missiles and placing nuclear capable rockets on the border with Poland.

Why do I feel like we're one step away from Armageddon?

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is the assassination of an Archduke or today's equivalent. Although I don't think they were dreading World War I before it was ignited.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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that at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis, or the 1983 post-KAL007 incident. Both of those are studies in cooler heads prevailing, with many of the cooler heads being on the other side of the fence: Google Vasili Arkhipov and Stanislav Petrov, in case anyone is unaware of their contributions to our current state of "still being alive". It wasn't just the Kennedys who saved our bacon over Cuba, or the Oko early-warning screwup.

Who are the cooler heads going to be this time? There are more people now who believe that nuclear war is winnable than there were then: many people alive today have never been downwind of a mushroom cloud, like many of us of a certain age were on multiple occasions. Who will be the one to receive the go order and say "no", this time? I hope that there are some out there- it is not just about "getting our hair mussed"...

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Seriously. And it's an involuntary, visceral, reaction.

I'm early GenX, so didn't live through "the drills," but my parents did -- and the relics of same (those ubiquitous signs indicating nuclear fallout shelters) persisted. And I still remember the abject fear I felt after I watched (as a homework assignment) Red Dawn.

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Start with "The Day After", go on to the BBC's "When The Wind Blows", and go on from there. I feel your pain, in a very deep way. You will catch up gwith us, and I apologize for the necessity of that. But thanks for your diligence in trying to understand why some of us are a bit touchy on these topics. Many younger folks think that this is a thing of the past, I guess.

It isn't, and thanks for standing here with us. Imagine seeing "Duck and Cover" as an elementary school student, and knowing for a fact that that was your future. Today, it is once again my future. I have no more to say- words fail me...

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Not Red Dawn.

So, in a sense, I did live through some of this ... just the tail end of it. But it was enough. I lost sleep over it as a young kid in the early 80s. From the looks of it, a whole lot of us will be losing sleep again.

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I remember watching the British movie Threads on television. It scared the crap out of me, far more than The Day After. They both should be updated and re-broadcast.

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Another key part of The Legacy takes a nosedive.

Let's hope nothing happens to Lilly Ledbetter.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

It has hard to believe that they are getting away with all of this. The kleptocrats running this country decided it would be Hillary by hook or crook. With the help of the media, they picked Trump, erased and robbed Bernie, starting a war with Russia, and they don't care who knows it. It is like the coup is almost done, and there is no need for subtleties. We are all going to end up in gulags, and it will be the Democrats who put us there.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

vote for Hillary.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

mimi's picture

time to question the morality of the Nobel prize committee.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

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Not sure Russian leaders would see much difference between US warplanes shooting down Russian warplanes, or US supplied "moderate rebels" ... shooting down Russian planes

The US has been fighting proxy wars with Russia since WW2. They don't lead to full scale conflict. It's hard to call directly, broadly, firing at the other side over a prolonged period (as opposed to "oops, sorry about that one jet") as anything besides war.

The only ones flying in Syria are the US, Russia, and I suppose Turkey (NATO, at least for now). Any no-fly zone imposed by any actor risks direct conflict.

The election is not reason enough to risk it. The only thing that makes sense is that they've convinced themselves that they can win. That can only mean staying conventional (non-nuclear) and absolutely staying clear of Russia's borders. They must be betting that Russia will back down and not destroy the world over a conventional loss in Syria, while they might go nuclear over the Russian heartland.

This is all in preparation for Clinton's War.

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein

Clever bloke, that.

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US military jets being painted to look like Russia jets while they were deciding whether to do a false flag attack on Allepo.
I keep reading how it was Russia that broke the ceasefire, but what if it were those jets that did the bombings instead of Russia? Our government is determined to get us in a war with Russia which I just can't understand the reason why.
If these idiots think that we are going to survive a nuclear war, they are stupider than I thought.

The government planned to do something like this before but using planes with Cuban markings instead during Operations Northwoods.
The joint chiefs of staff and others in the military wanted these planes to bomb civilian infrastructures, military assets and other areas or buildings.
Just the fact that they thought up this plan shows how psychopathic many people in our government are.
And damn every person who goes along with this plan.
And that goes for everyone who is going to vote for Hillary because they refuse to see how big a warmonger she is.
How they can look at what she did as SOS and still say that she isn't one is beyond mind boggling.

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the concerns in it are somewhat overheated, and the conspiracy theorists have taken it and run wild with it. The pictures in the article I saw were of aircraft attached to the Navy's Aggressor Squadron from NAS Fallon and/or NAS Miramar- they have a number of US aircraft painted in semi-Russian colors that are used in wargaming at the Top Gun school. They also have actual ex-Soviet aircraft obtained over the years from defections of some Soviet-bloc pilots that they use there as well. But these are for training, not for a false flag prep: I don't think that they would leave the word "MARINES" painted on the fuselage of an F/A-18 with a red star on its tail if it was really intended for trying to false-flag the world.

Don't get me wrong: Northwoods was a real plan, and would have been a real mistake had it been implemented. There have been many others. And I have no doubt whatsoever that there are other current plans that we'd find equally offensive, were we to learn of them. But *that* specific one isn't one of them- its origins are less sinister.

Despite how consistently untrustworthy our government has proven itself to be, it is still important that we remember the old adage: "when you hear hoofbeats, the first thing you think of probably shouldn't be *zebras*...". Nope- when we start the next war, I think we are going to stroll right up and just flat punch them in the nose (rather than do a false flag op), simply because we have a lot of government and military people that really believe that we can _win_ it. And I think that it will happen sooner than later- but if it is later, it won't be long after the coronation. No smiley.

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tapu dali's picture

but I wonder if one of her mentors wasn't "America's raison d'etre is war. An America not at war with its enemies is a nonsense" (very freely paraphrased) Jeane Kirkpatrick.

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either in Syria or Yemen. Yemen has the advantage that there aren't Russians there to shoot back. I think that the administration realizes that Syria is the line in the sand for Russia. There are S-300s all over the place, and anything the Russians interpret as a direct attack will get a response. Now that might actually serve Hillary's purposes, as she's sold herself as the more leaderish war President. So expect a war, real soon, to help push Hilz into the big chair. Let's hope that caution prevails over greed and idiocy. But probably not.

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