Donald Trump's Takedown of Hillary Clinton

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If we are to believe The Mainstream Media, Donald Trump supposedly "lost" the second Presidential Debate as well, or at best it was a draw.

The supposedly neutral Mainstream Media has quite obviously ganged-up on Trump in the most transparently one-sided way in all of Election History to make him out to be a Monster over mere "crude" remarks (made when he was just a private citizen, and not a public office holder) ----- yet according to them, it is perfectly okay for Hillary Clinton to actually violate Federal Laws, Slaughter millions of innocent people and ruin whole Nations in horrific, bloody, reckless Wars, and make much worse crude public statements like: "We came, we saw, and he Died" while bursting out in laughter at the human carnage that she perpetrated.

That apparently is all fine. And while Trump merely made some crude personal remarks in a joking manner, Bill Clinton has actually physically raped and abused multiple women multiple times, and yet we all are not supposed to take offense at that (the real crime) ?

Meanwhile, back in the real World, Donald Trump totally called out and exposed Hillary Clinton in the second Presidential Debate, and absolutely destroyed her. This serially corrupt woman, Hillary Clinton, finally got smacked down in public for all the whole World to see:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciLUSGAVbg0 width:640 height:480]

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And when the WikiLeaks documents came out, they revealed that Bernie Sander's had been right all along, and Hillary Clinton is just a paid off puppet and willing servant of the Elite, crooked Globalist Banksters, who has contempt for the common people. These documents much to my surprise were also actually even brought up in the Presidential Debate.

WikiLeaks Excerpts revealed the following:

In the lucrative speeches, for which she was paid some $225,00 a pop (not for any wisdom), Clinton signaled support for a plan that would lower corporate tax rates while raising the Social Security age, and embraced a strong pro-trade position that completely conflicts with remarks she's made on the campaign trail. At a Morgan Stanley get-together, she said the framework and big elements of the Simpson-Bowles [Social Security] deficit reduction plan, loathed by many progressives because of its cuts to the welfare state, "were right." Now we know her real position!

On more than one occasion, she spoke of how bankers should take a leading role in shaping financial regulations. Clinton admitted that you need to have policy platforms that you feed the public — and your real ones. And Hillary Clinton proved that she is committed to the Globalists Agenda to systematically drive down American's wages, relocate our American jobs abroad, and hollow out U.S. Industry and weaken the U.S. Economy with her now documented statement: "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders."

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And when the WikiLeaks documents exposed the fact that Hillary Clinton holds private policy positions that are in complete conflict with the "public" positions (phony) that she deceives the people with in her campaigns, and then she even had the gall to equate her corrupt actions with the honorable Abraham Lincoln -- Donald Trump struck her down once again:

Watch:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etIT8BQ8vVU width:640 height:480]

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"Wikileaks has given us a window into the secret corridors of government power, where we see her desire to end forever the American independence that our founders gave to us and wanted us to have. American soldiers have fought and died to win and keep America's freedom, and now Hillary Clinton wants to surrender that freedom to these open borders, open trade, and a world government."

--Donald Trump

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Finally, Bill Clinton was also called out too, and unable to hide from deserved embarrassment on National TV for his serial physical abuse to women (multiple) that far exceeds any "rude thing" that Trump as a non-holder of public office may have done:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPpzdmQo650 width:640 height:480]

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Regardless of what the Mainstream Media says, Donald Trump clearly won the second Presidential Debate and exposed the disgraced record and corrupt agenda of Hillary Clinton.

The only question that remains is what percentage of the American public are able to actually now think independently from the Mainstream Media, and wish to stop Globalism and the oppressive New World Order agenda in its tracks -- before it destroys our Economy, and destroys the whole World as well, and engulfs it in flames. Haven't we already seen enough evidence over the last 35 years to know we have to really stop this now?

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elenacarlena's picture

are out there. It also links to the original WaPo article, which last I saw has the entire video of his remarks. I think that's where I saw it, but don't want to revisit or I could hit a paywall since I've been there several times lately. http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-women-who-have-accused-donald-trump-of-sexu...

These are his words, not a Hill camp person's interpretation of his words.

Otherwise, just google "Trump sexual assault". Well here, you don't even have to type, https://www.google.com/#q=trump+sexual+assault

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And I agree that it is NOT a leap for me to believe that these woman were touched/fondled/groped by The Hairball against their will. It's also not a leap to imagine that The Hairball's sexual proclivities would find common ground with Bill Clinton's sexual proclivities and that the two of them were probably quite cosy traveling together on Jeff Epstein's "Lolita Express". An irony not lost on those of us who are paying attention.

JtC said something down thread that really resonated with me. Not only did our "esteemed" Fourth Estate, along with our elected representatives, egregiously neglect their civic duties by IGNORING the pressing issues facing our country during this election, they went for the money shot instead: a poke in the primal part of our brains. And what these visceral attacks on our senses do to the 'discourse' happening everywhere right now is the political equivalent to PTSD that many of us are experiencing.

BUT REMEMBER: It was the Clintons who unleashed this barbarian on the public, and who made sure he had a warm Petri dish in which to grow, and who then sat back and watched the results from their untouchable perches of power.

So, please. Let us ALL send the Clintons a thank you card in November by voting for Jill Stein.

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CS in AZ's picture

I read news articles and reports that can easily be found by looking online. You could do the same if you cared to.

I am very sorry that I have a full time job, a very sick dog who is in the midst of a medical crisis, and a busy life keeping care of a house and family. I don't have time to do the research for you. This is not secret information, it's all over the internet. Women reporting what he's done to them. Look if you care.

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But I'm also not falling for the media's & dems double standard.

Anderson cooper had the nerve to say that all the accusations against bill were unfounded when defending his criticism of trump.

O really? bill has time & time again been proven to be a liar about his relationships with various women. And he perjured himself in paula jones's law suit.

And all the while Hillary defended him, lied with him, and trashed the women (see recent WaPost & NY Times articles in his she handled "bimbo eruptions")

But we're supposed to turn a blind eye towards all this because Trump.

Sorry. Not buying it.

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That literally has nothing to do with it.

Defending and being ok with sexual attacks on women as "normal guy stuff" and this idea that men should feel free to grab women in their pussy, kiss them without permission, and commit sexual harassment just because they can, is the issue. It's sick and wrong. It doesn't suddenly become ok because Bill Clinton did it too.

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First of all, I never "defended" assault.

So all your "manufactured outrage" has no relevancy if a woman freely consents to advances.

Some women are, in fact, ok with that (advances). If it is their free choice and consent, then who are you (or anyone else) to judge?

Free will is free will.

What Clinton did was very different.

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Anyone with even a few functioning brain cells would be able to understand what sexual harassment means. So, you are either 1) a complete moron, 2) an intentional troll, or 3) just an asshole who thinks what Trump did is actually ok.

Whatever your problem, I don't care. This is wrong. I will wait for JtC's decision to see if this is allowed to continue or not.

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sometimes it's best to just walk away. I suggest this is one of those times.

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CS in AZ's picture

I understand, and I appreciate that you allow me to stand up for what I believe is important.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Just that 1)I'm in no way surprised; he said terrible things on Howard Stern, this is no different; we've all basically known for years Donald Trump was a misogynist, and 2)Putting Bill in the White House vs putting Trump there seems like a wash. Sexual predator, meet sexual predator.

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If he "did", he's a criminal. If he "would do", he's a low, uncouth, vulgar, disgusting asshole (which we all knew anyway) - and probably a hollow windbag full of nothing but hot air (which we also knew anyway).

Lots of people who say they "would do" something - don't, won't, or can't. It's the ones who do and get away with it that you have to watch.

By the way, "thanks" for derailing the thread. Sad

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

He actually said (1:13), "And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

What is so unclear here?

If girls are star struck, and therefore Let Him make sexual advances then that is not Rape at all. It's like a Rock Star having "groupies". There is no crime here.

What Bill Clinton did was totally unwanted physical abuse, and actual Rape.

Very, very different things here.

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I'm with the Band: Confessions of a Groupie

From the Blurb:

Pamela Des Barres headed for the Sunset Strip, where she knocked on rock stars' backstage doors and immersed herself in the drugs, danger, and ecstasy of the freewheeling 1960s. Over the next 10 years she had affairs with Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, Keith Moon, Waylon Jennings, Chris Hillman, Noel Redding, and Jim Morrison, among others. She traveled with Led Zeppelin; lived in sin with Don Johnson; turned down a date with Elvis Presley; and was close friends with Robert Plant, Gram Parsons, Ray Davies, and Frank Zappa. As a member of the GTO's, a girl group masterminded by Frank Zappa, she was in the thick of the most revolutionary renaissance in the history of modern popular music.

https://www.amazon.ca/Im-Band-Confessions-Pamela-Barres/dp/1556525893

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I even managed to find the GTO's album LOL... mostly because I was doing a trip down memory lane (1966). The damn USA culture has changed into a weird sort of toxic totalitarianism.

I will say it again, both candidates are bags of hyena breath, they smell very bad, they both stink like dead carrion. But IMO this kittygate thing has completely buried the real story in the recently leaked Podesta emails which we aren't hearing about because the coverage is about 20/1 ratio kittygate/Podesta emails

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From the Light House.

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

I'm just trying to provide some much needed factual context to all this nonsense.

Personally, I couldn't care less what some B list celebrity says to impress a C lister in the back of a bus 11 years ago.

What I find far more offensive is the idea of furniture shopping with a man of such obviously garish tastes.

No wonder she turned him down.

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What I find far more offensive is the idea of furniture shopping with a man of such obviously garish tastes.

Brilliant! We all need a laugh at this point.

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CS in AZ's picture

Furniture shopping is absolutely worse. No doubt.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

if it's consensual sex. And its not 'advocacy' if it's a private conversation in the back of a bus.

I really didn't want to get into this, but you have totally hijacked the thread with your OT tantrum and frankly I think it's bullshit.

Where's your hysteria about Bill Clinton's actual victims? What makes Trump's comments (which I'm not even sure you ever actually listened to) so much more disconcerting than ALL of the women who have come forth over the years complaining about actual assault and who have maintained their stories for decades in the face of vicious public criticism and private intimidation?

So spare me your rank hypocrisy. If you want to write an essay about your feelings go ahead, but the 24 hour dramatics on someone else's post about something only tangentially related to the debate itself is IMO a transparently phony attempt at shutting down meaningful conversation.

FO.

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CS in AZ's picture

telling you to be civil! LOL.

Your personal attacks and insults don't matter to me, actually, because it appears you can't read, and are another jerk who doesn't care about the issue of sexual assault against women.

If someone came on here defending Bill Clinton and saying his actions were just "normal guy stuff" and no big deal, my response would be identical and I would say exactly the same things.

The person who posted this piece of shit essay, free society, is the person who is advocating that sexual assault is acceptable. He said so in the essay, and has said it repeatedly right in this thread of comments.

Now you are doing the same.

Trump's victims are not consensual, he said so himself, and so did several women who have been his victims.

There is nothing approaching a meaningful conversation in this crap shit pile of a post that advocates sexual assault. I couldn't care less if you don't like it being called out. Too bad for you. Maybe you'd like a Men's Rights Activist site better, where us women who are against such things aren't allowed to speak.

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Good job [Not Henry Kissinger] at exposing the hypocrisy here.

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it was a bigger deal than most people appreciate and really needs a fuller discussion.

Just too bad we all couldn't discuss it here in relative peace.

Sheesh, I haven't seen a hijacking that bad since the Achille Lauro.

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CS in AZ's picture

You couldn't discuss how cool it is to attack women and be left in peace. Must be frustrating. Like I said, try a men's rights site. They don't allow women to have an opinion there, and you can advocate grabbing them by the pussy all you want.

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I'm going to ask you to stop. Please heed my warning. This thread is going nowhere but in circles and it's getting very wearisome.

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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/timeline-of-trumps-creepin...

Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress.

Mariah Billado, Miss Teen Vermont 1997 told BuzzFeed, "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here.'" Three other teenage contestants from the same year confirmed the story.

Dixon went on to say that employees of the Miss Universe Organization encouraged the contestants to lavish Trump with attention when he came in. "To have the owner come waltzing in, when we're naked, or half-naked, in a very physically vulnerable position and then to have the pressure of the people that worked for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention..."


I was about to cry in that moment with all the cameras there. I said, 'I don't want to do this, Mr. Trump.' He said, 'I don't care.'"

Also that year, Miss Utah, Temple Taggart, recalls Trump kissed her against her wishes. "He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, 'Oh my God, gross.'

Searles called Trump a "misogynist" who "treated us like cattle" and "lined up so he could get a closer look at his property." Other contestants from the same year, like Paromita Mitra of Mississippi, bolstered Searles recollection. Mitra commented, "I literally have nightmares about that process.
Searles added in a comment on her initial post's thread, "He probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room."

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-beauty-pageants-naked-2dc4b6c6d507#.yvr1...

Donald Trump publicly bragging about violating women’s privacy and bodily autonomy has emerged. Women have shared stories of being harassed by Trump in the very ways he has publicly boasted about.

“At the time, you’re a teenager, you’re intimidated — it’s Donald Trump, he runs the pageant,” she said.

I could do this all night. Trump is a fucking PIG. No, that is wrong, pigs would not do this. He's a sexual predator. That's what you are sticking up for. Sick.

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I've asked FreeSociety to stop and I'm asking that of you also. Please stop.

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CS in AZ's picture

His lie that the women Trump harassed "consented" so it was ok, could not be allowed to stand. It's bullshit. Trump did this to teenage girls. Defending that is sick and wrong. I've said what I have to say.

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and his behavior toward women as "just normal guy stuff" that is no big deal, and I will absolutely go and give them hell for it too.

There is no hypocrisy in my position whatsoever. ALL defense of sexual predators and normalizing such behavior toward women is sickening and wrong.

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you and I have been around the track for a long time but telling anyone here to fuck off is not cool. Right?

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Gotcha.

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Shahryar's picture

if you believe Trump then what can I say? I read today that Limbaugh is defending him because Trump said "they like it". Limbaugh's point is if they like it it's not assault. But "they let you do it" and "they like it" are the words of the assailant.

Seriously....would you take the word of the robber who says "he gave me the money"? If the money was given, after all, where's the crime? Well, it's the word of the robber!!

Trump is JUST like Bill. It's insane to pretend otherwise.

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CS in AZ's picture

Much appreciated, and right on. This is it exactly.

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elenacarlena's picture

he does not even wait, he can do anything, grab them by the pussy, etc.

He is NOT waiting for their permission! They may not turn him in and have him prosecuted because he's a star, rich, powerful, they know they would be unlikely to win against him.

Being a young girl or a new immigrant or dependent on your job with Trump, and not knowing how to handle this guy who is suddenly all grabby hands and lips, and he gets away with it time and again, is NOT the same as consent!

It is also not rape. But it is sexual assault. Also, Trump has been accused and is being sued because of rape when a girl was 13, http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ Of course Ivana said he raped her, then recanted.

Now that he's admitted to sexual assault, many women are coming forward. He looks more like Bill Cosby every day.

Read through these allegations. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/allegations-women-have-mad...

This is consensual?

Sure, nothing has been proven yet. But don't these stories make you uncomfortable? Would you want to work in this environment?

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Both of them are shit candidates. Donald Trump is a multi-billion dollar boogeyman propped up by the corporate media for the sole purpose of making Hillary Clinton look better by comparison. Your memes and your videos mean jack shit, sir, because Trumpy Boy, like Billary, is in this farce for himself alone. That'll become far more obvious after the election.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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Put another way, I agree with you. Kudos.

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Not. Even. Close.

Trump fucking destroyed Hillary...

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1.75 MILLION votes!!!

Think about that number for just one second: 1.75 MILLION votes.

And how many people do the official traditional "legacy" polling methodology survey?

...20? ...100? ...1000, maybe, on a good day???

Seriously.

Yeah, contrary to what MSM claims, scientifically speaking, the only polls that can be trusted today are online polls. The sheer magnitude of number of respondents alone makes them astronomically more accurate than the "legacy" polling methodology. As I explained in my comment the other day:

MSM polls today are pure fabrication to support their false narrative.

There is a reason that you haven't seen a single presidential poll from Gallup, the most respected trustworthy pollster in the business, and it's because they refuse to be party to the charade.

The only polls that can be trusted today are online polls, and that is based upon the objective "scientific" facts:

#1) Freeping is no longer an issue because (a) the shear number of respondents is so high, like in the hundreds of thousands, and due to cookies, the number of users who have the tools to spoof the cookie is nominal (ie: within the statistical margin of error), and (b) both sides are freeping, so it is a wash anyway, and

#2) the internet is ubiquitous, so the sample set is an accurate cross section of the general population, by and large.

#3) MSM "Official" polling, which uses Landlines, Cell Phones, and Focus groups, is (a) highly prone to bias, and (b) only interviews a very VERY limited sample size, compared to the internet today, so that methodology is far less accurate.

And in case you missed it:

Joe Scarborough: NBC Poll Showing Donald Trump Losing Badly Was ‘Cooked’

MSNBC Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough was less than impressed with a Monday NBC/WSJ poll showing Donald Trump losing to Hillary Clinton by double digits, accusing the poll of being “cooked” to get the result.

Scarborough’s problem was the timing of the polling, which began after Trump’s “grab ’em by the pussy” comments were uncovered Friday but ended before Sunday’s debate. “This NBC/Wall Street Journal poll– we work here and love working here,” Scarborough began (MSNBC is a subsidiary of NBC Universal). “They take the poll the second the crisis starts and they stop it just before the debate.”

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO5k5VgIYYw]


…The Battle Really is For Your Mind

  • Friday NBC/Universal releases the controversial Trump tape done by Billy Bush for Access Hollywood.
  • Saturday and Sunday the same NBC/Universal coordinate with Hart Research and Associates for a poll/survey.
  • Hart Research President, Geoff Garin, works for (and is paid by) Hillary Clinton’s Super-PAC.
  • Monday, Hart Research, release the “cooked poll”, and NBC/WSJ begin promoting, while other media pile on to support.

Even a modest political follower can spot the narrative construction in timeline, against the backdrop of the relationships involved in the entire matter.

  • This was a timed, strategic, and fully coordinated, media political hit between NBC/Universal and Priorities USA – All the entities involved are Team Clinton.

Do not mentally allow the MSNBC Team (Joe Scarborough), professionals at gas lighting, to head obtusely toward the exits as if this is some jaw-agape shock to them. It’s not.

This was a timed, strategic, and fully coordinated, media political hit between NBC/Universal and Priorities USA – All the entities involved are Team Clinton.

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And the next one will be even worse than the last. Besides, Billary won this election without a single vote being cast. You're being played for a fool and are too much of a chickenshit to admit it. Both of them will laugh all the way to the bank when it's all said and done and business will continue as usual, so you might want to think about that 'single issue' voting thing.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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I find this person calling me a "chickenshit" offensive:

There were no winners in that debate.
Wed, 10/12/2016 - 9:34pm — The Aspie Corner

And the next one will be even worse than the last. Besides, Billary won this election without a single vote being cast. You're being played for a fool and are too much of a chickenshit to admit it. Both of them will laugh all the way to the bank when it's all said and done and business will continue as usual, so you might want to think about that 'single issue' voting thing.

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There were no winners in that debate.

And the main losers in the debate (and the election of which it is part) are us -- the 99%!

Sad

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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

Your comments always deliver. It's a lot of work to compose a detailed summary. I re-learned a couple of things from this one:

1. I have not paid as much attention as I should to the timing of polls. It's a great way to manipulate the outcome, yet even polling employees can't readily see it.

2. Sample size. "1.75 MILLION votes." I haven't given as much weight to this metric as I should. We've seen online polls gain credibility quite recently, and it makes a lot of sense. But social sampling is evolving rapidly, and sample size is clearly the next frontier.

The counter-intelligence strategies of Joe Scarborough (elaborate gaslighting) was also a nice find. They've stepped up the propaganda game used against the American people and they are so very reckless about it. As if they have nothing to lose. As if we can't see what they are doing.

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sensetolisten's picture

I've long loved your writing on LOF. Nice to be appreciated and not harassed...

Yup. Sample Size in online polls is the game changer. The legacy methodologies for polling (Phone-Landline/Cell, Robocalls-vs-Live, Focus Groups, Interviews, Mail-in) cannot compete, once the freeping bias was neutralized, which it now has been, and once the internet became ubiquitous, which it now is.... scientifically, there is no comparison:

The Importance and Effect of Sample Size

A narrower margin of error requires a larger sample size. ... A higher confidence level requires a larger sample size. Power – This is the probability that we find statistically significant evidence of a difference between the groups, given that there is a difference in the population.

Confidence and Margin of Error

The size of our sample dictates the amount of information we have and therefore, in part, determines our precision or level of confidence that we have in our sample estimates. An estimate always has an associated level of uncertainty, which depends upon the underlying variability of the data as well as the sample size. The more variable the population, the greater the uncertainty in our estimate. Similarly, the larger the sample size the more information we have and so our uncertainty reduces.

Let's repeat that:


The larger the sample size
the more information we have
and so our uncertainty reduces.

In other words, scientifically, the larger the sample size, the more accurate the poll.

Trump fucking destroyed Hillary in the debate. Duh.

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― Harry Truman
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…pretty much from the beginning of the election cycle. I watched the Republican side this time. There were so many candidates to eliminate, I thought it would yield a more nuanced view of what the public is thinking. But what the media reported (about the GOP race) was consistently wrong every single day leading up to the convention. Good grief.

• I went into it knowing 2016 was a rare populist cycle.
• I also knew Hillary would be the nominee. (I use Allen Lichtman's "Keys to the White House" system, instead of polling data, to predict the outcome. Lichtman, himself, had already tagged Hillary for the win two years ago.)

But, to be 100 percent wrong week-over-week in the media? Belligerently wrong on both sides of the partisan divide?

Some of the media failure certainly had to do with the enormous blast of US propaganda that Americans have been drowning in since the overthrow of Ukraine's government in 2014. But the media had been citing polls the entire time, which were obviously misleading or mis interpreted. I noticed, too, that they constantly interviewed Party Operatives and Assorted Tools, and were entirely deaf to the American people, who ironically filled their publications with comments. Those, I always read.

Recently, I concluded that the American people were lying to the pollster's polls this cycle. Particularly after the Brexit vote, where voters did the same thing.

So thanks again. You've filled in a lot of the blanks for me about the new criteria for poll watching.

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A few weeks ago, I learned that Allen Lichtman, whom I have followed for years, abruptly changed his prediction, explaining that one of his 13 keys had been flipped because a third party would rise and get more than five percent of the vote.

Lichtman's system predicts the popular vote, only, so there is that. Over all, it is designed to answer one essential question:

“Do we want to give the party that now controls the presidency four more years? Have they performed well enough or not?”

Lichtman says "more of the same" is going to lose on Election Day.

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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Not Henry Kissinger's picture

I have ever seen.

A Presidential candidate called her opponent's husband (and former President) a rapist to her face. He did so with four of the alleged victims sitting in the audience at his invitation.

He also accused his opponent of evidence tampering, called for a special prosecutor, and said she should be in jail.

And that's not even the half of it.

But the craziest thing is, no one (including said former President) batted an eye. The moderators and Hillary just carried on like it was just another run of the mill debate, and the next day the press all regurgitated the same pre-written (and false) narrative of Trump's campaign imploding, without barely a mention of the bombshells from the night before.

It's like watching those old nuclear bomb videos where you see the blast but don't hear the explosion.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Anja Geitz's picture

it was like watching the Jerry Springer Show but without the flying chairs.

**edit: this was a reply to Not Henry Kissinger

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

And Maury will show up with DNA tests for Bill versus half the state of Arkansas aged 30-40.

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the rest of the day over this comment. Brilliant!

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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so that you start thinking he might be telling the truth about lots of things. He clearly lied about whether he's ever done what he "joked" about. He's a predator, as bad as Bill. He's not an option.

Yes, he called her out on some things...like Bernie should have. But he's bad news.

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Trumps trick is to mix in a little truth with his lies

There's the difference between Horrible Trump and more horrible Clinton:

Trump occasionally tells the truth. Clinton never does.

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Shahryar's picture

you wash up on an island. There are three groups of people there. One always tells the truth, a second always lies and a third does some of each. What question do you ask in order to identify any one of them?

With Trump, knowing he tells the truth sometimes, how can you tell if what he's saying is truth or a lie?

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lunachickie's picture

--and though I can't think of one real good example off the top of my head, it seems to me like Her Heinous has occasionally told the truth completely by accident....

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elenacarlena's picture

"We need to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top."

Not that it is what she will do, of course. But she did say that true statement. Here's her stated economic platform, https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/an-economy-that-works-for-everyone/

Warning: Happy Hill photos at the link.

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lunachickie's picture

what I was trying to remember was less of a campaign promise (that we all know she'll break) than it was an inconvenient truth of some kind, and it just blurted out of her mouth. Dammit, soon as I remember, I'll post it.

Ahh, senior moments--I'm not quite there yet, but the moments have started already Wink

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thanatokephaloides's picture

An accidental truth from Her Heinous:

"We need to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top."

After she and her Bubba destroyed just such a thing the last time they were in power. Suuuure.

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

elenacarlena's picture

she's going to do it. But it is what we need.

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I am interested in the comment in a recent email leak, "Because I do not want her money" from someone who is a member of the International Advisory Council of the Intelligence Summit and a pro-Clinton blogger at HuffPo (Brent Budowsky).

"It was not uplifting to learn in recent hours that problems with foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation continue, Hillary Clinton was still making paid speeches for hire this week, and Tony Rodham is hustling gold mining deals in Haiti."

"...If she is not hearing this from others, please feel free to forward this to her, I will play the bad guy here because I do not want her money and because she needs to hear this from her friends."

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6900

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From the Light House.

elenacarlena's picture

Heh. Yes, I'm sure most people support her for the money.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

Uprated for hyena breath!

What did hyenas ever do to you? Smile

EDIT: I take that back. Hyenas do a valuable service for the ecosystems in which they live. But the nature of that service would, indeed, leave them with some foul-smelling breath indeed!

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Big Al's picture

Clinton. She could take down Trump too, and she has,

It's not like Trump is going to win so it's all much ado about nothing. What surprises me is that people could think a supreme asshole like Trump, a cheating billionaire capitalist, would do a thing about globalism. Or anything for that matter. The dude is on his last legs, he's losing his fucking mind.

Both candidates are an utter embarrassment to this country and the human race.

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Then when it's all said and done he can laugh all the way to the bank as he collects obscene speaking fees and book deals just for being a former presidential candidate. Oh, and he'll have his campaign declare bankruptcy and sell that off too. No doubt Bubba and Billary will get a cut of the profits.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

lunachickie's picture

they were cooking this garbage up?

We can only hope that karma is going to kick both their asses at some point. I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it when it does.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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I am sorry to say that Stein is at 2%. Given the two rodents running under the major party banner(s), I find that SHOCKING!

The full results from Sunday night’s debate are in, and Donald Trump has come from behind to take the lead over Hillary Clinton.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/electi...

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From the Light House.

They have thrown everything that they can, plus the kitchen sink, at Donald Trump, and yet most of the public still recognizes that we still, in the final analysis, have to overthrow the controlling Oligarchs and reclaim American Independence from the Globalists / "Regime Change" Corporatists that seek economic enslavement and "Global Government" (a.k.a. The New World Order).

Fight The Oligarchy!

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