Podesta Speaks about Wikileaks: Blames Trump/Putin Conspiracy
Finally, John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chair, and head of The Podesta Group, one of the largest lobbying and "public affairs" firms in the United States world, with a reported income from lobbying efforts in the United States alone in 2014 just short of $12 Million, has deigned to answer questions from the media regarding the release of selected emails from his account by Wikileaks.
What he had to say isn't surprising, but his comments are both nonetheless audacious and mendacious, in equal measure. From The New York Times:
“I’ve been involved in politics for nearly five decades,” Mr. Podesta told reporters aboard the Clinton campaign plane. “This definitely is the first campaign that I’ve been involved with in which I’ve had to tangle with Russian intelligence agencies,” he added, “who seem to be doing everything that they can on behalf of our opponent.”
Without verifying the authenticity of the emails, Mr. Podesta said that he had spoken with the F.B.I. “as a victim” of hacking. The Obama administration, like Mr. Podesta, believes the Russian government has been trying to help Mr. Trump with its hacking, including the theft of emails of the Democratic National Committee this year.
Mr. Podesta said Mr. Trump had “essentially adopted lock, stock and barrel” a foreign policy that would favor the interests of President Vladimir V. Putin.
Let me parse his remarks for you, just to make it clear exactly what John Podesta said and didn't say. He didn't verify the "authenticity of the emails" that have been released. In effect, he is refusing to confirm that anything in the ongoing database dump by Wikileaks is accurate in any respect. Yet, on the other hand, he claims to have spoken to the FBI "as a victim of hacking." Yes, that's right, he want to be seen as a victim without having to admit that emails are true and accurate copies of his emails. That takes a lot of cojones, my friends.
It's also a classic misdirection and distraction technique practiced by public relations firms and propagandists to bury the lead when you are accused of wrongful acts. In short, at all costs do not respond to any questions about the substance of the scandal that has been revealed, all the while beating one's chest loudly proclaiming that you are the real victim in this case. It's a textbook example of the "distraction principle" at work.
Not only does Podesta, and by extension Hillary Clinton, claim to be the victim, he has a ready made scapegoat at hand, one that many Americans, particularly those who grew up during the Cold War era are inclined to distrust: Russia. Specifically, he points the finger at the Russian Security Services as the hackers behind the release of these emails, though whether they are "real" or "fake" he refuses to say. But he goes farther than merely "blaming" the Russians. He deliberately, and without stating any hard evidence for his claim, declares that it is a fact Russia and it's President is attempting to influence the election on behalf of Donald Trump, and thus undermine our democracy.
"Russian interference in this election and apparently on behalf of Trump is, I think, of the utmost concern to all Americans, whether you’re a Democrat or independent or Republican," Podesta said.
Indeed, he directly ties Trump to Putin and Russia, by not so subtly implying that they are allies, and that Trump is doing Putin's bidding when he claims that Trump has "essentially adopted lock, stock and barrel” a foreign policy favorable to Putin. This is a classic example of the scapegoating technique. He effectively calls Trump a dupe at best, and a a traitor working for foreign agent, at worst.
In short, the major story about his released emails has nothing to do with the sleazy and unsavory actions of the Clinton campaign at all. According to Podesta, all the Wikileaks disclosures represent are a deliberate attempt by a foreign power to subvert our democracy. The facts that Wikileaks denies the Russians are its source for these leaks, or that the released emails are extremely damaging to Hillary Clinton, are simply ignored by Podesta. He puts all his efforts into creating an imaginative" tale that makes Trump, Putin and Julian Assange co-conspirators out to ruin our American way of life. From The Washington Post:
Podesta said that it would be "reasonable" to assume that the Trump campaign knew that WikiLeaks would release his email. He pointed to comments earlier this year by Roger Stone, a longtime Trump associate and former adviser to the campaign, that he had been in contact with Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks. [...]
Podesta pointed to ties to Russia among Trump advisers, including Stone, and suggested there is a concerted effort to use Russian intelligence, surveillance or computer-hacking abilities to disrupt the U.S. election.
"Why would there be this active engagement by the Russians in the DNC and other Democratic organizations, [and] into my private email account? Well, I think you could start by looking at the positions that Mr. Trump has taken during the course of this campaign," Podesta said. "Ones that are more consistent with Russian foreign policy than with U.S. foreign policy."
He cited Trump's suggestion that he would not necessarily abide by the mutual defense clause of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which obligates military action on behalf of one member by the others. It is a foundation of the military alliance and probably the element that Russia most opposes.
Let's be very specific. First, in no instance does Podesta accept blame, on his own behalf or on the behalf of Hillary Clinton, for the revelations exposed in Wikileaks release. Indeed, he does his best to draw our attention away from any examination about the revelations in those emails: massive corruption in the Democratic Party, including, without limitation, the rigging of the Democratic nomination on behalf of his "client" through the coordinated efforts of high level operatives in the national media, the DNC, Clinton's Super Pacs and Hillary's campaign. He reinforces the narrative being advanced more openly by other Clinton surrogates and attack dogs that the emails contain forgeries and are faked.
Clinton spokesman Glen Caplin said in an email that, “Earlier today the U.S. government removed any reasonable doubt that the Kremlin has weaponized WikiLeaks to meddle in our election and benefit Donald Trump’s candidacy.”
He added, “We are not going to confirm the authenticity of stolen documents released by Julian Assange who has made no secret of his desire to damage Hillary Clinton. Guccifer 2.0 has already proven the warnings of top national security officials that documents can be faked as part of a sophisticated Russian misinformation campaign.”
And the media is letting them get away with it, whether out of sheer laziness or through intentional sins of omission or commissions, who can say?
Second, Podesta never says that the FBI accepted the claim that Russia is behind the Wikileaks disclosures. He only mentions the FBI as the agency to whom he reported this outrageous hacking crime. What he does do is speak of Russian involvement as a known fact, though he provides no evidence for that allegation.
Then again, at this point the "Russian" narrative has been pounded into the public's mind by the media's wholesale acceptance of the Clinton campaign's talking points. Indeed, the media has been running with the Clinton story that the Russians are behind every leak since the initial DNC Wikileaks email releases earlier this year. It's become a "known known," as far as the media is concerned. Therefore, Podesta doesn't really need to provide any proof. The media coverage has consistently emphasized the "Russia did it" story for so long, that they never even consider asking him about the lack of any tangible evidence to support that narrative. Indeed, the NY Times article buttresses his argument when it asserts blankly that:
The Obama administration, like Mr. Podesta, believes the Russian government has been trying to help Mr. Trump with its hacking, including the theft of emails of the Democratic National Committee this year.
We're being played for suckers, my friends, by Podesta, by the Democrats and by the national media. Which isn't surprising, considering the Podesta emails themselves have revealed an unprecedented coordination between the Clinton campaign and major media outlets, reporters and pundits. The irony in all this is that Podesta's own firm has represented numerous human right violators around the globe, from Azerbaijan to Saudi Arabia, and, yes, Russia.
Sberbank, the largest financial institution in Eastern Europe, hired the Podesta Group to help powder up its public image, The Observer reports. [...]
In March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. government as a lobbyist for Sberbank.
The bank plays an enormous role in the Russian economy. It controls almost 30 percent of Russia’s aggregate banking assets, employs a quarter-million people and “is functionally an arm of the Kremlin, although it’s ostensibly a private institution,” The Observer notes.
I'd like to think that there is a special place reserved in hell for slimy opportunists like John Podesta and the Clintons. Hopefully, one many, many levels lower than the one reserved for young women who won't automatically support Hillary.
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That's about it. If only I could get myself to believe in things
that don't exist. The idea of achieving justice in the end is appealing.
I am not at all surprised by this unresponsive non-answer-accusation. That so few seem to notice what you've pointed out, leaves me cynical.
When faced with Common Knowledge and Factual Evidence...
The Clinton Camp is doing the expected...
Deny and Blame a Vast Conspiracy...
In this case the True Progressives and those Damn Russians...
Certainly not the fact that they did indeed write those pesky e-mails...
Nor the fact that they are playing their dangerous game that will cause, and have caused, problems on many fronts...
Can we lock these traitors up soon?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
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It's a good strategy.
There are enough dumb people who'll buy the lie that Russia is backing Trump by hacking the Lump to swing the election to Hillary. It's perfectly Orwellian and will likely work.
It sure is...
The Clintons are great at playing "Wag The Dog" whenever they have unfavorable information hitting the press...
Lewinsky Sex Scandal Wag The Dog Afganistan & Wag The Dog Sudan
Impeachment Eve? Wag The Dog Iraq
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=steA_PZPkc8]
Podesta emails release Wag The Trump...
The public will follow it like moths to a light...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
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Greetings my fellow self-righteous ideologues!
Aren't we all ready to work our asses off for someone who thinks of us that way?
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Podesta is an a$$hole
I had to say it.
The political revolution continues
I'd like to add:
F*ck you podesta!
F*ck you hillary!
F*ck you Democratic Party!!
I disagree.
Assholes serve a useful purpose.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
"So, why aren't I 50 points ahead?"
Self-righteous like that? Or is that just delusional? Or willfully ignorant? The proper classifications elude me sometimes.
And, unconditional Democrats are not ideologues? Never fail LOTE voters are not ideologues? Third Wayers are not ideologues?
Slur words are fun, no?
Ideologue is such an ugly word.
Hillary would rather you say: 'loyal soldier'
From Neera Tanden to Podesta
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Hmmm.
http://the-mafia.weebly.com/structure-of-the-mafia.html
Listen, as Hillary learned well,
More https://niskanencenter.org/blog/on-the-saying-that-extremism-in-defense-...
Greetings to you also NHK
And some of us are basement dwelling self-righteous ideologues. But at least we're not deplorables. At least not until November 9th...
if our "representatives" would be a tad more righteous
on our behalf, we wouldn't need to rely so much on ourselves ...
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
It looks like $$Hillary is
It looks like $$Hillary is almost certainly going to become POTUS now, (whether she remains there, who knows?), and it's going to be a real shock to these DC Kochsuckers when both the electorate and the media turns on them in about 5 seconds.
Once the election is over, the pile of rotting shit that is the Clinton cabal is going to attract the media vultures in numbers not seen before.
Let the nightmare begin....
Well, the good thing is that this is only for the campaign and
once she's POTUS and the burden of seeking the office is lifted, she will be free to become the most transparent president that the good ol' U. S. of A. has ever seen!!
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Wed, 10/12/2016 - 12:30pm —
Wed, 10/12/2016 - 12:30pm — Hillbilly Dem
Probably so transparent that nobody'll see her at all and if they're attractively female and see Bill coming, it'll (obviously) be too late.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
And Obama echoes this Russian connection.
My feeling now is that Assange has enough to bring down the entire government with leaked emails. Leaked, not hacked. Could be one or more Clinton associates, could be someone rebuffed who was an insider, could be larger than that, that the organization not breathed about is the leaker: NSA. The wag the dog idea of Russia is just that.
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The NSA
Okay why are we spending so much money on the NSA if they did not know Clinton was using a private server for official government business or they did not know that the DNC was hacked by the "Russian"? Hmmmmmmm
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
The NSA
Okay why are we spending so much money on the NSA if they did not know Clinton was using a private server for official government business or they did not know that the DNC was hacked by the "Russian"? Hmmmmmmm
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Good point.
We live in a world where the NSA reads our grocery lists.
Interfering with elections? That's what the CIA has done since it was created. In the late forties there was the million that the CIA used to throw the Italian elections away from the Communists. Deals with the Mafia followed. In France, they made deals with the Corsican Guerini mob to undercut the Communist strength among the Marseilles dockworkers. The Guerinis in return took over what became known as the French Connection, the original post-WWII heroin pipeline into the US.
These days we have the National Endowment for Democracy funneling money to politicians around the world who are under our sway. We funded "democracy movements" like what has devolved with Syria. (Remember those hikers who got caught sightseeing in the Iranian frontier five years ago? Two of them were working for "democracy" in Syria, and the other was in Yemen. That's the tip of the iceberg.)
If you have a recollection of the US' obscure intelligence history, you know that Vince Casolaro died for their sins back when our intelligence agencies were looking for backdoors into computers. If you even suggested at the time that your government had an interest in gathering up information from peoples' and other governments' computers you'd have been branded a conspiracy theorist.
So now the Obama administration, which is only a continuation of the clique that took power in 1963, is blaming Russia for doing what the CIA was founded to do and has done since its creation.
If HRC has nothing to hide why be so angry at hackers?Puplic NSA
HRC was all for the Patriot Act. Why is she so angry now? Even if it was the Russians, they are doing her a great service by exposing all her goodness and purity.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
The leaker(s) could also be
The leaker(s) could also be (a) non-psychopath(s) who can't deal with everything from civilization/democracy to life/oxygen production on the planet being destroyed for the short-term profit and totalitarian destructive power of the relative few...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The best is yet to come.
Sit back and make some popcorn.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Baseball is a lot less sickening
It might be interesting to see if the Cubs can finally break their curse but damn I wish the Giants won last night.
Jill Stein for President.
Beware the bullshit factories.
What's with the Russians trying to influence our election? Don't
they know that's the prerogative of Israel?
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Imagine Congress inviting Putin to address them in joint session
and then giving him 26 standing ovations, instead of Netanyahu.
Wouldn’t that be something?
A spirit of cooperation, empathy, equality, and peace instead of profiteering, paranoia, colonialism, and war.
Get those Dulles brothers spinning in their graves!
Oh man - LOL - the thought of Putin being invited by the
Congressional Duncekins to hold forth in open session and giving him Standing O's is too funny to grasp. And with the celebrated reactionary Dulles Bothers tag team listening in...well, it doesn't get much more bizarre than this.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
The spinning Dulles duo were then leased to Iran
where they were installed in a nuclear fuel enrichment plant — named after former prime minister Mohammed Mossadeq — for use as high-speed centrifuges.
OMG, below - enough on its
OMG, below - enough on its own to radically cut sunlight to virtually immediately polish off the oxygen-producing cycle of life on the planet, already teetering on the brink from current rates of industrial/military pollution/destruction - from your link:
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Makes sanctions on Iran look like Western lies & hypocrisy. n/t
Can't imagine it. The Nazis have always hated the Russians.
When they lose their control over the permanent US Government (embedded at State, Defense, and Intelligence), you'll know it. Russia and the US will be good friends working in harmony toward a better world for all mankind.
I see this exactly the same way you do.
Very insightful.
I hate the fact that they're able to distract people with the "Trump is a Nazi" talking point.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
When the uninformed duncekins call each other Nazis
…it's the language of propaganda-boogymen they are speaking.
But when the insider-informed call their opponents "Nazis" you can be sure they do it to inoculate themselves.
Again, quite insightful
possible Karl Rove stole that technique from the Nazis themselves, now that I think about it. Well, I guess to figure that out I'd have to see if Atwater did, because Rove basically comes from the Lee Atwater political genealogy.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Comment of the day, duckpin! (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Thanks. I just googled "Duncekins" and didn't find it. In case
it's a neologism, I hearby bequeath it's use to members of Caucus99percent to use, or not use, as they see fit w/o any need for attribution. : )
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
So...this means the emails don't say what they say?
If someone else had been responsible for the hacking, the emails would say something different? Is that the theory here?
Also, as I understand it, they've traced the hack to someone in Russia, not necessarily to the Russian government. Is that right, or did I miss the smoking gun or the mushroom cloud or whatever it is that is supposed to link some random Russian hacker to Putin.
Bottom line, Podesta got caught with his pants down (no pun intended).
Now, go ahead and unsee that visual.
My older neighbor
lady and her husband, Bernie supporters now clinton supporters, we're discussing with me the hacking by the "Russians". They are in their mid eighties and pretty computer savvy. I got the sense during the conversation that they didn't quite grasp the "hacking" thing so I asked them if they knew what hacking was. They both said it's "making stuff up". Like all these emails are forgeries. I explained to them that this is not the case and the substance of the emails are true. They seemed rather shocked and said they'd start reading the emails.
I wonder how many voters, especially older voters, believe this also??
Older voters
are Clinton's base. Of course they are going to target them for propaganda.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
If you use a proxy server or tor browser...
chances are your ip is coming up showing that you are in Russia or at least somewhere not where you really are.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Their "evidence" is even more demented than location.
G men claim there were a couple of cyrillic letters in the code debris.
Romanian copycat hacker, Guccifer2, already took credit for this stack of emails nearly two months ago, flashing a few of the documents in hacker places online, and promising the full stack would be released soon.
The government is not even trying to mask their lying propaganda, anymore.
I gotcher government evidence right here.
Exhibit A:
I see. Anyone using Cyrillic letters works for Putin.
Who can possibly dispute evidence that conclusive?
It's a smoking gun and a mushroom cloud all in one, for feck's sake.
Yes...
I'm usually in former behind the iron curtain countries when I "Ahem Buy" music torrents for my iTunes Library...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
It is reasonable to assume that being for five decades in
politics and earning 12 million dollars a year is enabling lying and manipulations to an extent that is not becoming to the American citizens and democracy.
I said that nicely, didn't I?
https://www.euronews.com/live
Yes, very diplomatic, as befits a well-bred cultured German. n/t
Sorry, Steven, but
someone has already stolen this line:
I'm in THAT special place in hell, according to Madeline Albright because I'm not supporting her heinous. Perhaps hell has several reserved spots, though. I'm glad I've already landed in one of them!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
The third circle of hell is gluttony. Let's meet there.
Dibs on the chocolate bourbon cheesecake!
I'm assuming we don't have to worry about our health after we're dead.
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Sounds like a good deal to me, ec.
I'll sip on the bourbon while you enjoy the cheesecake!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Count me in on the bourbon!
Wild Turkey, my late husband's fave
I disliked that bourbon, too sweet for me.
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You're in Albright's special place in hell because you wanted to
be where Gloria Steinem's boys are.
Amazing how little it took to reveal what that crowd really thinks of females, isn't it?
No, we're actually OK,
No, we're actually OK, because that hell's specifically for young women not supporting Hillary because they chased boys elsewhere - but since Bernie converted us all into Young White (and wasn't there something else? on top of 'racist' and 'sexist', of course,) Males, we're good to go to any section of hell at all. Probably the one the Clintons are so determined to create on Earth.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Hillary, her friends, and her supporters
are now and always will be the victims.
No matter what they do, no matter what is true, they remain victims.
Now think about how that mindset will effect policy and domestic politics for the next four years.
It’ll be just like Likud in JSIL=That Jewish State in the Levant
Hillary did say she wanted to take U.S.–Israeli integration “to the next level.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/
If anyone hasn't read this,
If anyone hasn't read this, or hasn't read this recently, please do check it out at source. I have, and it still makes my gut drop every time. That next level is, of course, hell-on-Earth.
(Bolding mine.)
https://theintercept.com/2015/09/09/hillary-clinton-goes-militaristic-ha...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Is the F-35 the fighter no one wants?
The US plans to sell them all to Israel? The US is making custom fighters for them now?
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Hillary knew Qatar and KSA supported ISIS
link
Perhaps we should echo like broken records across all social
media, in response to "the Russians did it":
Who cares? What about what you did?
They can't claim hacking and leaking unless the emails are true. Keep throwing the emails back in their faces. Ignore the origins, they don't matter.
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I like it. We could all become our own version of CTR.
Unpaid, yet passionate, defenders of the actual truth.
Wonder how they'd react?
Unpaid? Truth?
Neither of those things bears any relation to CTR (which I recently saw referred to as Corrupt the Record).
Agreed!
My wording was unclear: in direct contrast to Corrupt the Record (Gaslighters, Inc.?), we would be unpaid and tell the truth. They are and do neither.
They'll react with head
They'll react with head explosions, but luckily seem to have no brains to splatter. But the BS effluent which substitutes will still stink something awful.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The only conspiracy I believe
Is that the "grab them by the pussy" tape came out the same day WikiLeaks released the emails...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Funny that. On MSNBC this morning, Podesta framed that point
the other way: How odd (not) it was that his emails came out the same day as the "grab" tape. As if Putin released Podesta's emails to get Trump off the hook.
Gee, what was likelier to take up all the oxygen that day, the "pussy" comment or something Podesta said about a focus group? Let's think really hard about that one because, in America in 2016, the answer isn't totally obvious. /snark.
Yeah, just as unreleased ABC
Yeah, just as previously unreleased ABC footage was outed of Bill Clinton trying to grab the pussy of a young lady in a skirt trapped in a corner beside him, when he failed to realize that the cameras were still running. This with an interviewer as well as cameraman/men right there...
Psychopaths! Can't live with them, can't live under their rule, or at least not long or in health and safety.
Edited to remove an extra 'of', as the computer must have retched while I typed this. Unless that was me...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I have the firm impression we know almost nothing
I have the firm impression we know almost nothing about what goes on in the highest levels of the federal government and presidential campaigns. What little we do know comes from whistle-blowers and WikiLeaks.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Include in that media, lobbyists, and corporate cronies
Sometimes the curtain is pulled back and amazing the inter-locking relationships between all the real governing bodies and elites. I am then reminded of what Gore Vidal wrote that we have one party, which he called the Property Party, and two wings based on temperament about social issues.
smart guy, and he knew more
smart guy, and he knew more about DC politics than most.
I don't care where the emails came from.
Their contents are damning. They confirm every single terrible thing we already assumed about Hillary and her campaign. Stalin himself could have risen from the grave, hacked Podesta's account, and given it to Wikileaks, and I would still be more focused on Hillary's blatant corruption and hubris than Russian necromancy.
I thumbs upped your post, but it's not enough.
I love your post.
MSM looks to be pretty much ignoring contents of leaks
Huffpost had one piece where a Clinton staffer recommended that a Hollywood friend shut up Moveon about Warren, but the piece really went off on evil Trump and Putin. Oh, and that Warren is fully on board with Hillary. Looks like only the alternative Left wing press and websites are writing extensively about the contents of the emails. Some here and there but mostly loaded with anti-Trump stories.
I still think that if the polls tighten up a week or two before election, Obama will order the shooting down of a Russian fighter or bomber in Syria giving Hillary a chance to be the newly emergent war candidate against evil Putin. If Putin shoots back immediately all the better. But then maybe when independents at least see the possibility of more war, big war, they may go with Trump over Hillary.
I uprated you, but no, not Trump over Hillary.
Jill over Hillary. Trump said he would take out the terrorists' families. He could be worse than her. At least he's no better.
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? We already take out terrorists' families.
We drone bomb weddings and funerals. We hit anyone who happens to be near the main target. We just don't talk about things like that, unless it is to deny we do it. But, we do.
(Let's remember, too, that Bill Clinton nixed a drone attack on Osama because there would have been two other human casualties....two.)
Yes, but we "don't do it on purpose".
To do it on purpose is an international war crime.
Whether or not it's intended in the current warmongers' hearts of hearts, only they can know. But "collateral damage" or "oops, wrong target" is slightly better than the posture of "Yep, totally meant to do that" of Trump. Very slightly, granted.
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Yes, we do. You know we do because you put it in quotes.
Our proclivity for weddings and funerals is not a coincidence.
I can't know for sure what's in their hearts.
But I have my suspicions.
Still, somehow if I were drone bombed, I feel better if someone said, "Oops, didn't mean that," even insincerely, versus Trump's "Yeah, that's for your cousin."
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That just has to be sarcasm, which is fine.
Surely, though, the greater dishonesty of Hillary about killing families of terrorists cannot be a reason to find her less evil than Trump, as opposed to simply more dishonest and therefore more evil. You may find her less evil, but surely not because she is less honest with voters.
I hope Jill regardless
I am voting for Jill Stein regardless.
Absolutely. I love Jill and it really is shaping up like they do
not need our votes for Hill to beat Trump. Not that I care that much which of the two main candidates wins. But I would feel a little bad if it was Trump. So the more he self-destructs, the more happy I am voting for Jill.
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MSM hates dealing with facts and truth
Ignoring both is the template the MSM has in use since 9/11.
The MSM can't handle the truth. I heard it here.
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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
So, Mr. President...
If I understand you correctly, those dirty Russians are trying to influence our elections by TELLING THE TRUTH, because if the TRUTH came out about the Clintons, Hillary couldn't be elected dog catcher.
That about it?
So in a followup question, will you be establishing your own
money laundering organizationcharitable Foundation after your term is over, or will you be accepting a senior position in the Clinton Foundation?"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I'm inept.
Can't seem to embed this Tweet from Jane Sanders. This is my second edit and last attempt; apologies if it doesn't work!
LOL.
This, maybe?
https://twitter.com/janeosanders/status/786293802390659072
That musty air surrounding Bernie and Jane’s pro-Hillary effort
is called “flop sweat.”
Try Embed Tweet Code...
You can find it here...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Lost cause. n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I agree...
I really have zero interest in this election fiasco...
Nothing good will come from it...
Let the cards fall where they may...
Time to get started on the next election when this garbage will be replaced...
And sharpen the pitchfork in case we use that first...
I was just posting the Tweet to show how it is done...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
This from thoday's Daily Mail
Russia orders all officials to fly home any relatives living abroad, as tensions mount over the prospect of a global war
Alarmed now?
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
It's not severe yet...
But it could go downhill fast with the Mad Bomber making bad choices in Syria...
They are about to launch a "The US Is Bad" propaganda campaign, in readiness to reignite the cold war...
The last thing they want is, "But Comrade, your son & daughter are at Yale University... No?"
or,
"Comrade, Don't your parents live in West Palm Beach?"
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
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