"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
to avoid. Remember how hard it was to catch the Democratic debates during the primary? Interesting how that works.
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It was the episode where Flint takes the Walrus into a tropical storm to evade a British warship -- amazingly filmed, love tall ships.
Also on tap was HBO's WestWorld, where the robots are waking up to their situation.
Also John Oliver (Sunday night appointment viewing for me) and Divorce (Sarah Jessica Parker's new vehicle -- very well acted and written).
So, no, no "debate" for me.
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I watched both episodes last night and I'm not sure what to make of it. But it's an interesting concept.
Kinda like the hunger games without its concept.
I'm upset that the other Sunday night shows were preempted by that garbage.
I didn't watch it because I hate reality tv shows and I knew that the debate wouldn't bother to cover any topics that needs to be covered.
I don't care what he said 11 years ago or what lies she was going to tell people so they would vote for her.
Bernie keeps telling us about the most progressive platform ever was agreed upon, but I don't think Hillary is going to stick to it and I'm more concerned about what she did as SOS is what she is going to continue to do with her foreign policy.
And when she appoints the same people to her economic and foreign policy cabinets who planned the wars and the economic meltdown, I can tell people that I tried to warn them.
I keep hearing that we have to not get elected because of.....insert message.
Nope, I will not give Hillary my vote because I feel that it means that I condone her actions. I do not!
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I feel compelled to know some small amount of what is transpiring. Opened TYT which I never do anymore because it's too over the top. No pun intended. Just closed the tab. Not sure what I hope to understand more than I do from this.
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Neither of their perspectives are on stage tonight, nor were they during the VP "debate", nor in the first Trump-Clinton shoot-out.
And it points out just how noninclusive and unenlightened our political and media elites are that they are not.
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The Big Short on. Etix. Pissed me off all over again that Obama the loose didn't put any of them in jail. I'll take the lewd idiot over the crook any day.
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contest, as I heard he did during the first one, and the twitterverse is abuzz with the notion that he may indeed be a cokehead.
Would explain a lot, imo.
For Hillary, the only explanation I can think of is you can take the Goldwater out of the girl, but you can't take the girl out of the Goldwater.
Or is it the other way 'round?
Fuck it, who cares? Just fling some more poo you two, I'll be watching something else, like maybe my toenails growing.
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summarize what they are saying. It's about the muslim's extreme vetting now ... oh yeah. I mean, what is the debate supposed to accomplish? I think now they try to figure out how to deny the Syrian refugees access to the US the smarter way. I guess they are both stupid.
Man o man, I hope they will make a transcript of this debate. It's so bad it's necessary.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
The world has long been bemused by how infantile the US is.
Overall, watching without bias, I think Hillary came off stronger, clearer.
But the US media's new stance on trying to tilt elections by airing their personal opinions and theatrics — it really stacks the deck. There is no relief from the constant Trump bashing.
One thing I know for certain: You will not hear one meaningful issue discussed by these people in the time leading up to the election. There is a complete blackout on "policies and issues" in the media. They both touched on energy policy and they are both useless and backward-looking. They both truly belong in a sanatorium.
I don't think there are undecided voters in the US. Not when it comes to the strategic votes that will decide this election. Those take place in the Hillary - Trump race. That's where the future fate of the American people will be established.
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too. I don't know what Trump will do in that regard, but I do know what Hillary will.
There hasn't been a military intervention that she wasn't in favor of doing.
And then watching her reaction after watching that video of how Gaddafi was brutally murdered when she clapped her hands and laughed is revolting!
I don't care how bad a person he might have been, to watch her reaction was beyond disturbing.
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Not the murder of innocents in the Middle East or even Honduras, I suppose? Or pay for play at the Foundation? Probably something stupid like why she stood by her man?
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'Reality' TV is more enlightened than either of the two candidates who stand before us bloviating. Never in the history of our country have two such unfit-to-serve individuals been offered up by our deeply corrupt two party system for our consideration. I thought W was a national embarrassment, these two take absurdity of voting for the lesser evil to a whole new level.
Carnival barker vs. Mad Bomber. Perfect.
Single malt here I come.......
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now, i'm drinking a 3-year-old blend that literally cost less than a penny per ml.
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Still, that’s one thing about living in Dresden in the former East, compared to the Frankfurt region.
Here it’s no particular shame to be on the bottom, almost everyone is on the bottom.
Were on the bottom when the Big Change came. Stayed on the bottom when the bankers, real-estate brokers, carpetbaggers, wheeler-dealers, and other assorted middlemen swept through like a pack of locusts.
They’re still on the bottom.
Do I feel glum sometimes about reduced circumstances compared to bygone eras in life when I was more affluent? To people here, that’s a “First-World problem” — they were born in the Second World and have yet to escape.
bomb Aleppo. She goes full confrontational against Putin. Trump goes full confrontational against everything Clinton had done in ME and is insulting her in ways I have never heard between politicians.
launched by the same people who are against Trump and back Hillary.
I guess we’re supposed to laugh at Trump, not because it’s wrong to engage in sneak attacks — that’s what the Hillary backers themselves do anyway, all the time —
. . . We’re supposed to laugh at him for thinking that sneak attacks work, get the job done, and can therefore be a one-off thing.
Because you know, the people with experience, they know that engaging in sneak attacks has to be the norm, a steady, constant, ongoing way of life, yearly, monthly, daily — just another part of our excellent adventure called the Forever War on Everyone.
either Trump or Clinton. Trump was basically a meandering mess that hit a bullseye every once in a while. Clinton spent a good time blaming Russia for her own faults. At least every once in a while Jill got to inject some sanity. From the little I saw, I suspect that Clinton will end up the "winner" of the debate again.
war crimes against the Yemen people.
Yesterday they intentionally bombed a funeral and then bombed the people who came to help.
Over 125 people were murdered and another 525+ were injured.
The UN is a flaccid organization because every time they threaten a country they have to back down because they let our government threaten them so why bother having an organization that can't do anything?
Our military is refueling their jets, our government is selling them weapons including cluster bombs that they use on civilian areas.
SA funded the terrorists that attacked this country and our government withheld the information from is for over 15 years.
Hillary's foundation made millions from selling them weapons and Bill made thousands giving speeches to them and no one in our government had a problem with that.
I don't know if Jill was elected if she could reign in the military because some people in it are ignoring Obama's orders to stand down.
If Hillary wins, expect more of these actions including a war with Russia.
So someone tell me how a Trump presidency could be worse than a Hillary one in regards to the wars we are engaged in everywhere?
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the idiot "friend" who wanted my pledge to vote for Hillary because...wait for this...she is not militaristic like Trump, I would send him your comment. There was so much to refute him that I forgot about Saudi Arabia and how the Clintons enriched themselves. On the other hand, someone who makes that kind of argument is either too stupid or knowingly telling falsehoods, so it would have been a waste of time.
I just cannot get over the idea of someone trying to sellme Hillary as peace loving.
uninformed. Too many people work too many hours to seek out real sources of information, they believe what they read in their local newspaper or see on network TV.
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sources, but how to explain the people on DK that refused to accept see her as a warmonger even though her history of what she did as dos is plain to see?
Plus many of us provided them with links to reputable websites but we were still accused of linking to right wing websites or what we wrote was right wing talking points.
I wonder how many of them voted for Obama because of her Iraq vote and are now accepting that she said that her vote was a mistake?
Locking your keys in the car is a mistake.
Deliberately voting to invade a country on false pretenses is not a f'cking mistake? It's a deliberate and conscious decision to invade a sovereign nation.
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I'd get banned if I accused them of being $hills, but I really think they are. She has had the money to buy off a lot of people.
And/Or they swallowed the "fear Trump" Kool-Aid and the "Jill can't win" self-fulfilling prophecy and are desperately hoping Hill's not as bad as we make her out to be.
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They just don't have time to keep up with all the Clinton misdeeds, my two very intelligent sons being part of this group. That's why I somewhat understand people seeing Clinton as the lesser evil.
The people that make me angry to the point of cutting them off my life are political junkies, retired, interested mostly in LatinAmerican politics and history, who up to know have shown to have some (a lot) understanding of US intervention and aggression v the rest of the world.
I could even give a pass if they thought Clinton was the lesser evil (not really because if they had been paying attention they would know her warmongering bloodthirst, but I am trying to not lose every single FB friend) The thing that stuck to my craw is the painting of Hillary as antidote to military loving Trump. They are either stupid or they think I am stupid, and that last is the part that I won't give a pass.
I'm also on Facebook. Please feel free to Friend me. If I ever get bought by Hillary, I'll say so! (Very unlikely to happen, I've said too many uncomplimentary things)
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well known to players of team sports, called "playing down to your opponent's level". Sometimes you play a better team and their example causes you to improve your game: you play up to their level. But sometimes you play a rotten team, and it's like an infection.
These have to be the very worst debates I remember seeing - since Carter V Reagan in 1980 (I have no memory of any before that). Everyone is playing down to Trump's level - the level of blustering ignorance that is so characteristic of talk radio and morning jock banter. Moderators make no effort to draw out answers with more details, or to maintain any degree of seriousness. And both candidates - HRC especially - keep trundling out these insufferable prepared speechlets full of heart-rending anecdotes. Ugh. There is nothing enlightening here at all.
Anyone here ever read the Lincoln-Douglas debates? Now there's a model.
Anyone here ever read the Lincoln-Douglas debates? Now there's a model.
I'm absolutely convinced that the height of human intellectual thought occurred during the nineteenth century.
It's been downhill ever since.
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so lincoln and douglas each stood up and spoke for hours.
amazing to think that there was a time when the life-and-deaths concerns of politics were given the full consideration that their practical, ethical implications warranted.
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was big into Democratic politics, local and national. At least they were for the first Irish Catholic candidate, that's for damn sure. And these guys weren't debating about grabbing genitals and covering up for a husbands predatory dirty deeds.
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The way the modern debates are set up is part of the problem - they don't have time to state a position, develop the argument, and back it up like these guys do.
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independent then why are we still importing so much oil from the Middle East and other areas?
Hillary will continue to let foreign companies use our lands to bring their energy resources through pipelines to be offshored to other countries.
Why don't those countries build their own infrastructure to ship that from their country?
Why does the American people need to risk the oil spills over our lands and waterways?
Is Hillary aware that the coal byproducts are stored in poor people's neighborhoods and risking their health and lives? I bet she does but doesn't care
Look at the huge huge petcho (?) coal piles outside of south Chicago belonging to the Koch brothers that coat the neighborhoods of people when the wind blows.
Rich and white affluent neighborhoods would never allow that.
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and utility bills went down. I have friends who live there. They have the capability to build enough wind turbines to power 1/3 of the US just in OK.
We have the technology. We can switch to 100% renewables in a year or two. The only reason for Hill's incrementalism is so the fossil fuel lobby makes money. It's criminal negligence allowing any further climate change at this point, IMHO.
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"We have the technology. We can switch to 100% renewables in a year or two."
Would you care to throw me a link or two on that, if you happen to have a good one handy? I would love to be able to say those words out loud, but definitely need some data to back it up.
Just lines from old speeches. I am not shocked, just depressed. Good thing for Stein.
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I mean really, what she wears is the least of her sins, and she shouldn't look like she spends a lot of money on designer outfits; but with all her money can she not find a decent image consultant?? I could take her to my Walmart and have her looking better, with several outfits for a total of less than $100.
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No offense, please, but I come from a long line of schizophrenics who periodically needed hospitalization and that's how they looked when we picked them up: musmatched, unappealing clothes and the faraway look. I feel the need to add that this was their only similarity with this woman. My aunts and uncles were kind, loving people and a lot of fun.
circumstances. Except I would have said OranguTrump's daughter, given that his sons like to shoot big beautiful animals. I have no respect for sport hunters, sorry.
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and during the entire debate they had this bar graph of live survey result (of I guess audience members?) showing:
disagree (red) <___> agree (blue)
broken down by party (w/ indies) across whole the bottom third of the screen.
Completely annoying and ridiculously rigged: every time Trump spoke the swing went 95% disagree (even for Republicans) and every time Hillary spoke it went 95% agree (even for Republicans).
They really do think we're morons.
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Watching a Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Pirates are so much
kinder and more honorable than politicians.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Watched that last night
A delightful mixture of comedy and derring do. Alas, that was last night.
Got Democracy Now on in the background, waiting for an adult to start talking.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
PBS and network stations are all airing this, so it's hard
to avoid. Remember how hard it was to catch the Democratic debates during the primary? Interesting how that works.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Pirate crews were much more democratcic
than the shitshow called the USA.
This shit is bananas.
Watched Black Sails rerun on Starz (speaking of pirates)
It was the episode where Flint takes the Walrus into a tropical storm to evade a British warship -- amazingly filmed, love tall ships.
Also on tap was HBO's WestWorld, where the robots are waking up to their situation.
Also John Oliver (Sunday night appointment viewing for me) and Divorce (Sarah Jessica Parker's new vehicle -- very well acted and written).
So, no, no "debate" for me.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
WestWorld is an interesting show
I watched both episodes last night and I'm not sure what to make of it. But it's an interesting concept.
Kinda like the hunger games without its concept.
I'm upset that the other Sunday night shows were preempted by that garbage.
I didn't watch it because I hate reality tv shows and I knew that the debate wouldn't bother to cover any topics that needs to be covered.
I don't care what he said 11 years ago or what lies she was going to tell people so they would vote for her.
Bernie keeps telling us about the most progressive platform ever was agreed upon, but I don't think Hillary is going to stick to it and I'm more concerned about what she did as SOS is what she is going to continue to do with her foreign policy.
And when she appoints the same people to her economic and foreign policy cabinets who planned the wars and the economic meltdown, I can tell people that I tried to warn them.
I keep hearing that we have to not get elected because of.....insert message.
Nope, I will not give Hillary my vote because I feel that it means that I condone her actions. I do not!
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Went out to dinner with some friends
We talked politics, but not election politics - had to do with the dynamics of the group we all belong to. That was plenty ugly enough.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
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I feel compelled to know some small amount of what is transpiring. Opened TYT which I never do anymore because it's too over the top. No pun intended. Just closed the tab. Not sure what I hope to understand more than I do from this.
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I can hear through the headphones that someone
is getting very angry........ very angry.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Last time Jill was on
She gave a stat that the Clinton Foundation pays women 36% less than men. Anyone seen that before?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
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Not that one,
But I've read that in her senate office & the foundation women are paid less.
Except Chelsea
Chelsea isn't paid less. Funny how that works.
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For an excellent take on how Dr. Stein and her running
mate Ajamu Baraka might have fared in these "debates" I refer you to Democracy Now! and their page, "Expanding the Debate".
Neither of their perspectives are on stage tonight, nor were they during the VP "debate", nor in the first Trump-Clinton shoot-out.
And it points out just how noninclusive and unenlightened our political and media elites are that they are not.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Just let me know
When Hillary starts seizing. Or if either one pases out or throws a punch. Apart from that I think I know the script.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Nice Latin! N/t
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I finally got to see
The Big Short on. Etix. Pissed me off all over again that Obama the loose didn't put any of them in jail. I'll take the lewd idiot over the crook any day.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Don't know why I uprated that.
Don't want the lewd idiot. Don't want the crooks either.
Jill is the only rational and kind-hearted choice.
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I'm hearing Trump kept sniffing all through this feces throwing
contest, as I heard he did during the first one, and the twitterverse is abuzz with the notion that he may indeed be a cokehead.
Would explain a lot, imo.
For Hillary, the only explanation I can think of is you can take the Goldwater out of the girl, but you can't take the girl out of the Goldwater.
Or is it the other way 'round?
Fuck it, who cares? Just fling some more poo you two, I'll be watching something else, like maybe my toenails growing.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
sorry to say I can't even ask a question, nor
summarize what they are saying. It's about the muslim's extreme vetting now ... oh yeah. I mean, what is the debate supposed to accomplish? I think now they try to figure out how to deny the Syrian refugees access to the US the smarter way. I guess they are both stupid.
Man o man, I hope they will make a transcript of this debate. It's so bad it's necessary.
He said he'd get an independent prosecutor if elected n/t
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Hope Trey Gowda beats him to it
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Jill Stein is commenting on the debate live
at this link
https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein/videos/vb.240944029279128/131777221...
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Flash is acting up, so there's no stream now.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Trump is insulting so forcefully, a transcript is necessary
and you can't get away with just saying you don't listen to this crap.
The world is listening to this crap ... just that you know.
And the world is very puzzled by
the state of American 'democracy'.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Politics of the pee-pee dominate American elections.
The world has long been bemused by how infantile the US is.
Overall, watching without bias, I think Hillary came off stronger, clearer.
But the US media's new stance on trying to tilt elections by airing their personal opinions and theatrics — it really stacks the deck. There is no relief from the constant Trump bashing.
One thing I know for certain: You will not hear one meaningful issue discussed by these people in the time leading up to the election. There is a complete blackout on "policies and issues" in the media. They both touched on energy policy and they are both useless and backward-looking. They both truly belong in a sanatorium.
I don't think there are undecided voters in the US. Not when it comes to the strategic votes that will decide this election. Those take place in the Hillary - Trump race. That's where the future fate of the American people will be established.
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Bolloc, I think they are also worried about its foreign policy
too. I don't know what Trump will do in that regard, but I do know what Hillary will.
There hasn't been a military intervention that she wasn't in favor of doing.
And then watching her reaction after watching that video of how Gaddafi was brutally murdered when she clapped her hands and laughed is revolting!
I don't care how bad a person he might have been, to watch her reaction was beyond disturbing.
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Good one!
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
...taxes...
They're talking about taxes now. Hillary doesn't really answer by saying er position--she just attacks Trump. Trump is staying calm.
She likes to throw the "alternate reality" words around.
Alternate Reality
is HRC's lifestyle.
And someone should tell her that her voice (through headphones) still sounds like nails dragged across a black board.
Gëzuar!!
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The woman journalist's voice
The woman journalist's voice is also harsh.
He pushed her buttons lol
She got pissed and lost her composure. Literally laughed aloud at that. Score for Hairball!
What topic?
Not the murder of innocents in the Middle East or even Honduras, I suppose? Or pay for play at the Foundation? Probably something stupid like why she stood by her man?
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I don't even remember now
How pathetic is that? Maybe Trump will run with it, because the msm won't even mention it except for maybe Fox.
Sorry!
That's OK, if I thought it vitally important I'd watch the
debate myself. Overall, it sounds like both scored a few points and whoever likes whichever will claim they won, like last time.
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Didn't watch
but can tell you Martha Raddatz is a friend of Clintons, also a co-host on Stephanopolous sunday show.
All are on the same team. Disgusting.
Martha The Interrupter
She used to interrupt Bernie on the Stephanopoulos show. Does it to others she's interviewing too. Trump called her out on it last night.
O......M.....G.
'Reality' TV is more enlightened than either of the two candidates who stand before us bloviating. Never in the history of our country have two such unfit-to-serve individuals been offered up by our deeply corrupt two party system for our consideration. I thought W was a national embarrassment, these two take absurdity of voting for the lesser evil to a whole new level.
Carnival barker vs. Mad Bomber. Perfect.
Single malt here I come.......
“What the herd hates most is the one who thinks differently; it is not so much the opinion itself, but the audacity of wanting to think for themselves, something that they do not know how to do.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
That sums this whole freaking mess up very nicely. Kudos. nt
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
once upon a time i could afford single malt.
now, i'm drinking a 3-year-old blend that literally cost less than a penny per ml.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Oh my, when I think of what I used to be able to afford . . .
Still, that’s one thing about living in Dresden in the former East, compared to the Frankfurt region.
Here it’s no particular shame to be on the bottom, almost everyone is on the bottom.
Were on the bottom when the Big Change came. Stayed on the bottom when the bankers, real-estate brokers, carpetbaggers, wheeler-dealers, and other assorted middlemen swept through like a pack of locusts.
They’re still on the bottom.
Do I feel glum sometimes about reduced circumstances compared to bygone eras in life when I was more affluent? To people here, that’s a “First-World problem” — they were born in the Second World and have yet to escape.
Whatever happened to that “Miss me yet?” billboard with Dubya?
Whoever put it up might well think they’re having the last laugh.
(Or maybe it was never a billboard, just a “meme” — I forget.)
German TV ARD is broadcasting the debate live
in Germany and will have an analysis right afterwards.
Ina Ruck was former bureau chief in Moscow and is now in Washington DC. Glad they broadcast the "crap". Go for it, Ina.
Poor Germany. Good luck analysing our mess.
I live here and I don't know what the eff is wrong with us.
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Love your diary title!
I'm going to watch an old movie or something. Will check in to read updates on the ongoing train wreck, though.
By the end of the night, perhaps the rest of the country will join us in voting third party.
Thanks for watching so we don't have to!
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Oh now Hillary goes after Russians the evil-doers who
bomb Aleppo. She goes full confrontational against Putin. Trump goes full confrontational against everything Clinton had done in ME and is insulting her in ways I have never heard between politicians.
Well, I can't listen anymore.
Trump's foreign policy
"Have a sneak attack and knock em all out at once."
Um, yea. It's that easy.
Stuxnet virus, or killing Iranian scientists, are a sneak attack
launched by the same people who are against Trump and back Hillary.
I guess we’re supposed to laugh at Trump, not because it’s wrong to engage in sneak attacks — that’s what the Hillary backers themselves do anyway, all the time —
. . . We’re supposed to laugh at him for thinking that sneak attacks work, get the job done, and can therefore be a one-off thing.
Because you know, the people with experience, they know that engaging in sneak attacks has to be the norm, a steady, constant, ongoing way of life, yearly, monthly, daily — just another part of our excellent adventure called the Forever War on Everyone.
I was watching the Jill Stein version, but I couldn't take
either Trump or Clinton. Trump was basically a meandering mess that hit a bullseye every once in a while. Clinton spent a good time blaming Russia for her own faults. At least every once in a while Jill got to inject some sanity. From the little I saw, I suspect that Clinton will end up the "winner" of the debate again.
I am muting all but Jill n/t
Stop Climate Change Silence - Start the Conversation
Hot Air Website, Twitter, Facebook
Jill on why we don't want a no fly zone
We want a peace process. Close bank accounts of Saudis...
Stop Climate Change Silence - Start the Conversation
Hot Air Website, Twitter, Facebook
The United States is complicit in Saudi Arabia's
war crimes against the Yemen people.
Yesterday they intentionally bombed a funeral and then bombed the people who came to help.
Over 125 people were murdered and another 525+ were injured.
The UN is a flaccid organization because every time they threaten a country they have to back down because they let our government threaten them so why bother having an organization that can't do anything?
Our military is refueling their jets, our government is selling them weapons including cluster bombs that they use on civilian areas.
SA funded the terrorists that attacked this country and our government withheld the information from is for over 15 years.
Hillary's foundation made millions from selling them weapons and Bill made thousands giving speeches to them and no one in our government had a problem with that.
I don't know if Jill was elected if she could reign in the military because some people in it are ignoring Obama's orders to stand down.
If Hillary wins, expect more of these actions including a war with Russia.
So someone tell me how a Trump presidency could be worse than a Hillary one in regards to the wars we are engaged in everywhere?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
If I had not obliterated
the idiot "friend" who wanted my pledge to vote for Hillary because...wait for this...she is not militaristic like Trump, I would send him your comment. There was so much to refute him that I forgot about Saudi Arabia and how the Clintons enriched themselves. On the other hand, someone who makes that kind of argument is either too stupid or knowingly telling falsehoods, so it would have been a waste of time.
I just cannot get over the idea of someone trying to sellme Hillary as peace loving.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
I can't help but think your FB friend is simply woefully
uninformed. Too many people work too many hours to seek out real sources of information, they believe what they read in their local newspaper or see on network TV.
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I agree that some people are too busy to seek out real
sources, but how to explain the people on DK that refused to accept see her as a warmonger even though her history of what she did as dos is plain to see?
Plus many of us provided them with links to reputable websites but we were still accused of linking to right wing websites or what we wrote was right wing talking points.
I wonder how many of them voted for Obama because of her Iraq vote and are now accepting that she said that her vote was a mistake?
Locking your keys in the car is a mistake.
Deliberately voting to invade a country on false pretenses is not a f'cking mistake? It's a deliberate and conscious decision to invade a sovereign nation.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I honestly think they've been paid off.
I'd get banned if I accused them of being $hills, but I really think they are. She has had the money to buy off a lot of people.
And/Or they swallowed the "fear Trump" Kool-Aid and the "Jill can't win" self-fulfilling prophecy and are desperately hoping Hill's not as bad as we make her out to be.
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I know lots of people like that,
They just don't have time to keep up with all the Clinton misdeeds, my two very intelligent sons being part of this group. That's why I somewhat understand people seeing Clinton as the lesser evil.
The people that make me angry to the point of cutting them off my life are political junkies, retired, interested mostly in LatinAmerican politics and history, who up to know have shown to have some (a lot) understanding of US intervention and aggression v the rest of the world.
I could even give a pass if they thought Clinton was the lesser evil (not really because if they had been paying attention they would know her warmongering bloodthirst, but I am trying to not lose every single FB friend) The thing that stuck to my craw is the painting of Hillary as antidote to military loving Trump. They are either stupid or they think I am stupid, and that last is the part that I won't give a pass.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
So this is someone you know is knowledgeable. Sounds like
s/he got eaten by the pod people, doesn't it?
I'm also on Facebook. Please feel free to Friend me. If I ever get bought by Hillary, I'll say so! (Very unlikely to happen, I've said too many uncomplimentary things)
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There is a phenomenon
well known to players of team sports, called "playing down to your opponent's level". Sometimes you play a better team and their example causes you to improve your game: you play up to their level. But sometimes you play a rotten team, and it's like an infection.
These have to be the very worst debates I remember seeing - since Carter V Reagan in 1980 (I have no memory of any before that). Everyone is playing down to Trump's level - the level of blustering ignorance that is so characteristic of talk radio and morning jock banter. Moderators make no effort to draw out answers with more details, or to maintain any degree of seriousness. And both candidates - HRC especially - keep trundling out these insufferable prepared speechlets full of heart-rending anecdotes. Ugh. There is nothing enlightening here at all.
Anyone here ever read the Lincoln-Douglas debates? Now there's a model.
People were smarter back then.
I'm absolutely convinced that the height of human intellectual thought occurred during the nineteenth century.
It's been downhill ever since.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
hey, there were no kardashians to distract the folk.
so lincoln and douglas each stood up and spoke for hours.
amazing to think that there was a time when the life-and-deaths concerns of politics were given the full consideration that their practical, ethical implications warranted.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
This is the first one I remember. My dad's side of the family
was big into Democratic politics, local and national. At least they were for the first Irish Catholic candidate, that's for damn sure. And these guys weren't debating about grabbing genitals and covering up for a husbands predatory dirty deeds.
EDIT: Some really poor grammar
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Wow, 8-minute opening statements!
The way the modern debates are set up is part of the problem - they don't have time to state a position, develop the argument, and back it up like these guys do.
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I see the debates today as being on a par with the tripe
turned out by the WWF.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
now they're asking about the deplorable comment
Hillary completely dodged the answer.
Damn, it's so bad ... transcript needed /nt
Hillary talking about the
Hillary talking about the supreme court and helping voters...oh I wanted to puke. She did so much to take away those freedoms.
Can't believe a thing she says.
Hillary offers nothing and that's her problem
Trump is awful but occasionally tells the truth. When he does she comes across as a big zero.
Yup, Trump says it directly
Yup, Trump says it directly and simply. Hillary only dodges. Now they're on energy.
Natural gas is a bridge fuel
And we have to remain energy independent. Does that mean we have to keep fracking? Where does she think we are getting all this NG?
"I have a plan to help us revitalize coal country" because jobs matter more than the earth.
Funny how no one bothers to ask if we need to remain energy
independent then why are we still importing so much oil from the Middle East and other areas?
Hillary will continue to let foreign companies use our lands to bring their energy resources through pipelines to be offshored to other countries.
Why don't those countries build their own infrastructure to ship that from their country?
Why does the American people need to risk the oil spills over our lands and waterways?
Is Hillary aware that the coal byproducts are stored in poor people's neighborhoods and risking their health and lives? I bet she does but doesn't care
Look at the huge huge petcho (?) coal piles outside of south Chicago belonging to the Koch brothers that coat the neighborhoods of people when the wind blows.
Rich and white affluent neighborhoods would never allow that.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Better yet, the sun and wind are found in every county so
isn't that energy independence for all?
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Absolutely. Oklahoma switched to wind power for OK City
and utility bills went down. I have friends who live there. They have the capability to build enough wind turbines to power 1/3 of the US just in OK.
We have the technology. We can switch to 100% renewables in a year or two. The only reason for Hill's incrementalism is so the fossil fuel lobby makes money. It's criminal negligence allowing any further climate change at this point, IMHO.
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Now that's what I like to hear
"We have the technology. We can switch to 100% renewables in a year or two."
Would you care to throw me a link or two on that, if you happen to have a good one handy? I would love to be able to say those words out loud, but definitely need some data to back it up.
Venezuela is now importing U.S. oil
Believe it or not, Venezuela is importing oil from the U.S. now.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
No one is answering any questions.
Just lines from old speeches. I am not shocked, just depressed. Good thing for Stein.
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There are tens of thousands of coal miners with jaws dropped
at Clinton claiming she understands them better than anyone who has run this year.
Clinton: 'We're Going to Put a Lot of Coal Miners and Coal Companies Out of Business'
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Look another potholder pantsuit
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
*barf*!
This shit is bananas.
Yes! I was just going to say, "OMG, what is she wearing?"
What is with her and the potholder pantsuits?
I mean really, what she wears is the least of her sins, and she shouldn't look like she spends a lot of money on designer outfits; but with all her money can she not find a decent image consultant?? I could take her to my Walmart and have her looking better, with several outfits for a total of less than $100.
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Looks like she is leaving the psych ward
No offense, please, but I come from a long line of schizophrenics who periodically needed hospitalization and that's how they looked when we picked them up: musmatched, unappealing clothes and the faraway look. I feel the need to add that this was their only similarity with this woman. My aunts and uncles were kind, loving people and a lot of fun.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Final question...what do you
Final question...what do you respect about the other candidate? The audience laughed....
Hillary respects Donald's children. Then railroaded the question.
Trump gracious about the "compliment". Donald respects her "not giving up" "she is a fighter". Doesn't like her judgement though.
Those are pretty decent answers. Tough question under the
circumstances. Except I would have said OranguTrump's daughter, given that his sons like to shoot big beautiful animals. I have no respect for sport hunters, sorry.
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That last question
If it wasnt for my wife, I would need a new tv and remote right now
When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!
ok, it's over, I didn't rejoice, I got nothing out of it.
It's really superfluous.
I finally got around to watching the last part of America's Got
Talent from a few months back, and even watching my debate alternative I still fell asleep within minutes of switching away!
Bored was my permanent state of being this evening, I guess.
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Huma is there.
She must be back from her leave.
I was watching on the MSNBC site
and during the entire debate they had this bar graph of live survey result (of I guess audience members?) showing:
disagree (red) <___> agree (blue)
broken down by party (w/ indies) across whole the bottom third of the screen.
Completely annoying and ridiculously rigged: every time Trump spoke the swing went 95% disagree (even for Republicans) and every time Hillary spoke it went 95% agree (even for Republicans).
They really do think we're morons.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
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